Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1002 ecto, Number 1002 Sunday, 6 February 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Moxy/Crokinole/Pop/Ectophiles/Kirsten Anna Domino / Sarah McLachlan tiddly winks Re: Tori Alert ectophiles in las vegas..... Kristin Hersh's Hips and Makers random replies... Help - Looking for female songwriters in Midwest Jane on a Saturday night help!!! calling mike mathews.... Re: tapes, tapes, tapes Re: Robin Williamson Re: random replies... Re: We've Moved!!!! Re: At last, it's here! A Keene Question... Alison Moyet Groundhogs prefer THX certified cinemas ======================================================================== Subject: Moxy/Crokinole/Pop/Ectophiles/Kirsten Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 14:01:22 GMT From: tim@falcon.is (Tim Breitkreutz) Well, this is fairly auspicious I think that I rejoin Ecto at #1000! Anyway, I am now settled (at least temporarily) in Reykjavik and having a great time. I missed Ecto since I unsubscribed in November! Anyway, down to business: Soda/Pop: I have two points of reference: In the province of Alberta, it's Pop. In the province of Nova Scotia, it's soda. Crokinole: Yes, this was a popular game in Alberta too. Have we figured out if it exists outside Canada yet? Moxy: They do indeed have a CD out. I kind of like it, especially since it reminds me of the really fun performance they do. Some people don't like it so much--I would listen before I buy just to make sure. Some people accuse Moxy (and Barenaked Ladies) of being novelty acts but I personally think they have good potential (both bands). But I could be wrong! Ectotouring: Well, I got a chance to meet Jeff and Beth in person in December in DC. Unfortunately, due to the snowstorm just after Christmas, I missed out on the planned Ecto-gathering in Baltimore. But I have to say that I am continually impressed by the great people I have met from this group! Thanks for the great hospitality you guys! I also saw Justin and Liz (and talked to Alan on the phone) again on a brief pass through Montreal. Ectoparty in London: There is a good chance I can make it to this party. Please keep me posted! Kirsten Hirsch: Anybody have the new album yet? I am anxiously awaiting it's arrival here in Iceland... Well, that's it for now. Tim (formerly from Alberta) -- Tim Breitkreutz Snail Mail: Thorsgata 14 Email: tim@falcon.is 101 Reykjavik Telephone: +354 1 19407 Iceland ======================================================================== Subject: Anna Domino / Sarah McLachlan Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 14:34:25 GMT From: tim@falcon.is (Tim Breitkreutz) Oops, forgot a couple topics... I'd just like to plug these two artists, since they have been in the discussion recently again. FTE has really grown on me since I got it. I think it might be partly because I got it a couple weeks before she performed in Edmonton, and it was, as usual, a fantastic concert. Also, I really like all of Anna Domino's stuff but it's very difficult to find. Very frustrating, since she's originally Canadian (although now she lives in New York and records in Europe). If anybody knows of a good source for her discs I'd love to know about it. I only have her latest, Mysteries of America, on CD. Tim (tim@falcon.is) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 05 Feb 1994 12:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: tiddly winks Crokinole is to Canada as tiddly winks is to the U.S. Holly ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 13:05:47 -0500 (EST) From: Marvin Wayne Sikes Subject: Re: Tori Alert Will Tori be doing any tours around the Detroit, MI area soon. If so, when. Thanx. Wayne ======================================================================== Subject: ectophiles in las vegas..... Date: Sat, 05 Feb 94 14:56:06 -0800 From: dreaming@nevada.edu greetings everyone! yes there are ectophiles in las vegas (I'm serious)! I'm one! don't know if there are any others. = ( I do know that the local tower has "RhodeSongs" so maybe that's a sign. = ) sooooo mike.... give me a call when you are in town! I'll show you around. = ) peace, suzanne dreaming@nevada.edu ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: Kristin Hersh's Hips and Makers Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 18:56:07 -0500 (EST) Forwarded message: ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: Kristin Hersh's Hips and Makers Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 18:55:39 -0500 (EST) Ugh. I'll be selling Hips and Makers ASAP, unless someone wants to buy it from me. I only played it once, and I only *needed* to play it once. I wasn't all that disappointed with Red Heaven when that came out...it was a lot more engaging than this monotonous, uniformly dull tripe with the pitch range of a washing machine, and about as much tension and excitement. I can't imagine ever wanting to listen to this at all except as a soporific. It's odd, but prior to the demise of the group, I had always considered Hersh the more talented of the two songwriters in Throwing Muses. After comparing this to Belly's poppy and much-praised release, I have to change my mind. My reaction: to yawn, and put Tori back on. Mmmmm...that's much better. Drewcifer P.S. UTP got panned in the Advocate recently. The reviewer criticized, among other things, the failure of UTP to, as LE purportedly succeeded in doing, "lead" the listener "by the hand" into the music. If you want to be led by the hand, honey, pick up something by Mariah Carey. This is Art, and Art is actually just as easy to get into if you have a spare neuron or two. Tree...when they say we're "descended" from apes, they mean it literally. -- ---- Andrew D. Simchik, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, Tree of Schnopia \ ---- ****************************************************************** \\bi/ *********************** a.k.a. Drewcifer ************************* \/ ****************************************************************** SCHNOPIA embodies nature, tranquillity, and truth. Tree, take root, So. -------------------------------QUOTES BEGIN HERE-------------------------- "Master Shamen, I have come with my dolly from the shadow side with a demon and an Englishman"--Tori Amos, "Sister Janet" ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 16:04:24 PST From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: random replies... how does the new kristen hersh compare musically to those solo tracks of her doing various throwing muses songs on the japanese import of red heaven?? with regards to the groundhog issue.... >We shall see about the empirical outcome, but based on what I see outside >methinks > I can trust this indicator about as far as I can throw it. > Mitch how does this relate to the proverbial wood chucking of a woodchuck??? >troy-inaparticularlygrouchymoodbecausethenewalisonmoyetalbumlookslikeitisbeing >pushedbackwellintojulynow. which prompts some circuit to complete in my brain -- i really like the album raindancing, but the other two albums i've tried (alf and hoodoo (?)), didn't grab me. too much synths and keyboards, and no real chance for her voice to shine (same problem i found with the yaz tracks i've found). can any fans out there tell me which other of her albums sounds like raindancing? (hmmm... first i don't like jane, now i'm complaining about alison moyet; i'm going to get a bad rep here -- i'm actually a very nice and pleasant person. no really, i am. : ) chrisF ************************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 | * * Biology Dept., UCSB | silence is golden * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 | and words are made of lead * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -michelle shocked * ************************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 19:23:18 -0600 From: flak@borcim.wustl.edu (Tod Flak) Subject: Help - Looking for female songwriters in Midwest Hi all, This is a global request for good ideas and opinions - who better to ask! My girlfriend Julianne has asked me to solicit advice on her behalf. I will let her note explain : **** Begin included (and edited) message . . . I'm working on planning a conference for this fellowship I have, for women, and my job is to look for regional (st louis, chicago, Kansas city, memphis etc) female singers/songwriters to invite for a panel about using word (written/spoken) to effect social/political change. Would be nice if they have ever written about social/political issues, but not required right now. **** Since I am going out of town for a week ( to Keystone, Colorodo for what's known in the biology research business as a 'ski-meeting' - scientific sessions in the morning and evenings, and the afternoon is open !! Thank you, taxpayers of the United States ;-)) ) . . . please send any ideas to Julianne directly. Her address is: jtdunphy@artsci.wustl.edu Thanks, Tod ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 18:19:53 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Jane on a Saturday night Friday night Neile, Jim G and i were fortunate enough to be in the magical presence of Jane Siberry. She stopped at the Backstage in Seattle for a non-concert concert on her non-tour tour -- immediately after performing with Shawn Colvin and Victoria Williams in NYC. (She said Victoria and she danced in ways only they could appreciate :) Tho' she must have been exhausted by travel, she spoke and read and sang and played guitar and piano -- and showed us some of the most wonderful videos -- only for her friends, she said. I am still dazed by the evening. ... No, more correctly, i am still high from the experience! I've always suspected that Jane belongs in the pantheon of female surrealists, along with Dorothea Tanning and Leonor Fini and others. While watching her new videos, my brain validated that assessment. Her art definitely comes from the place where waking and dream meet, where memories melt with the erotic. The videos for 'An Angel Stepped Down' and 'Temple' are incredible! We stuck around after the show (she was on stage nearly 2 hours), had her sign a few CD inserts, gave her a thank you card which seemed to amuse her ... and completely forgot to tell her to come back soon. She performed 'The Beginning of Time' and 'The Vigil' ... and ... and ... Hey! I gotta get out of here and buy that 'Temple' CD before they are all gone! "good-bye, sweet punkinheads" - Jane Siberry "Vickie should be here" - Mp --- Michael Peskura - University of Washington - Seattle USA ======================================================================== Subject: help!!! calling mike mathews.... Date: Sat, 05 Feb 94 18:58:37 -0800 From: dreaming@nevada.edu sorry to have to post this here.... but I've lost mike's address... silly me... mike could ya post me? I'd be happy to show you & your friends around vegas. = ) peace, suzanne dreaming@nevada.edu ======================================================================== From: jzitt@llnj.ll.pbs.org (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: tapes, tapes, tapes Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 21:53:42 -0500 (EST) > > Thanks Dan (and others who responded outside ecto). All explanations > were quite lucid (even Mitch's :) ). I stopped by the mall yesterday > and had no problem picking up a pack of Maxell XL-I's. Taped readings > by two poets (jimmy Santiago Baca and Jayne Cortez) and sax playing > by Steve Coleman, and the results were pretty good. If the crowd Where was Jayne Cortez reading? I have a record by her, with a killer band led by her son, Denardo Coleman, and lots of harmelodic guys. I had a class with her in ...uh... something at Rutgers (most of my time at Rutgers is sorta blurry by now). ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 20:37:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ectophiles Guide Subject: Re: Robin Williamson On Fri, 4 Feb 1994, Robert Lovejoy wrote: > Diane mentions Robin Williamson: > Robin was one half of The Incredible String Band, a major late > sixties folk duo. The other guy's name is on the tip of my tongue, > where it'll do you no good (sorry). Mike Heron. Just by coincidence, we got a copy of _The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter_ by The Incredible String Band today--Spike Pierson of CD's We Bee managed to locate a German pressing for us. It's amazing (though very 70s). It was wonderful seeing Jane last night--exactly as Michael described. She's an incredible woman, and, yes, surreal. The videos are astonishing.. For those looking for the limited edition of Cornflake Girl, our local Tower has lots of copies of both, so those who aren't near a Tower should be able to get one through Tower's 800 number (which I don't know off hand, but you can call the 800 operator at 1-800-555-1212 to get it). I must confess to being skeptical about Tori doing "Strange Fruit" but she does a wonderful version--simple and clear. "A Case of You" and "f 6 Was 9" are also great. --Neile in a heavenly overload of good music. neile@u.washington.edu--where Neile is when you need her :) ======================================================================== From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Sun, 6 Feb 94 02:09:56 -0500 Subject: Re: random replies... Chris wrote: > which prompts some circuit to complete in my brain -- i really like the > album raindancing, but the other two albums i've tried (alf and hoodoo > (?)), didn't grab me. too much synths and keyboards, and no real chance > for her voice to shine (same problem i found with the yaz tracks i've > found). can any fans out there tell me which other of her albums sounds > like raindancing? I *think*, although I could be wrong, that _Alf_, _Raindancing_, _Hoodoo_, and the (hopefully) soon-to-be-released _Essex_ are the only Alison Moyet albums. I only have _Alf_ and _Hoodoo_, so I don't know what _Raindancing_ is like. But you should give _Alf_ another chance. True, the arrangements are a little too slick and busy at times, but there are some outstanding songs there nonetheless. "For You Only" and "All Cried Out" are my favorites and they really don't suffer from over-production. I also really think that Alison's voice does shine through, even on the more over-the-top songs. Keep listening, you may come to love it. Give Yaz another try too. Although I personally like _Upstairs at Eric's_ better, you might want to get _You and Me Both_. "Anyone" and "Ode to Boy" do not have overwhelming synth parts. Of course, they're still synth-based since Yaz was a synth duo, but the songs are pretty minimalistic and heart-breakingly beautiful. --- Stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg "I need more things. I need more money. Emory Univ. Law School Don't want to work. Want things for free." labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu -Jane Siberry _o_ |< ___________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 6 Feb 94 2:44:10 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: We've Moved!!!! Br!an wrote: > Well, it's true! Mindy and I have moved into a house! > (ohh, it's so biiig!) ;) I just realized that I forgot to congratulate you on your new house! *** CONGRATULATIONS!! *** Have fun with all that room :-) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 6 Feb 94 3:04:13 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: At last, it's here! I have this *awful* habit of reading something, saying "I'll get back to that" and half the time I never do.... Trying to get one half done: Paul wrote: > At last, it's here! > Stina's (Nordenstam) new CD that is,.. in Sweden that is. > It is called _And She Closed Her Eyes_ (EastWest, Telegram Records Stockholm) > and is absolutely incredible. The closest reference is perhaps Jane's > _When I Was a boy_, which it resembles both in tempo and mood. > > Just thought somebody was interested, Yes!! Count me in as someone who definitely *is* interested. Thanks for the information, Paul. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 08:36:30 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: A Keene Question... Hi there, *Non Ecto Content* A while back I asked if anyone out there had heard/ heard of Robert Earl Keene. As this list stretches far and wide, and embodies eclectic (as well as acloustic) musical boundries, perhaps at this time some of you might be able to respond. I heard Keene on WXPN, and if I'm right he/his group sound a little like Dire Straits. Any light anyone might be able to shed would be appreciated. Congrats to Michael on catching Jane's non concert! Sounded like you had a great time! Later! Bob the curious, fuzzy blue ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 6 Feb 94 09:49:55 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Alison Moyet >> which prompts some circuit to complete in my brain -- i really like the> > album raindancing, but the other two albums i've tried (alf and hoodoo >> (?)), didn't grab me. too much synths and keyboards, and no real chance >> for her voice to shine (same problem i found with the yaz tracks i've >> found). can any fans out there tell me which other of her albums sounds >> like raindancing? >I *think*, although I could be wrong, that _Alf_, _Raindancing_, _Hoodoo_, >and the (hopefully) soon-to-be-released _Essex_ are the only Alison Moyet >albums. I only have _Alf_ and _Hoodoo_, so I don't know what >_Raindancing_ is like. But you should give _Alf_ another chance. True, >the arrangements are a little too slick and busy at times, but there are >some outstanding songs there nonetheless. "For You Only" and "All Cried >Out" are my favorites and they really don't suffer from over-production. >I also really think that Alison's voice does shine through, even on the >more over-the-top songs. Keep listening, you may come to love it. I agree. Give her another chance. To me, raindancing is not that unlike Alf and Hoodoo, though Hoodoo tends to get more "bluesy" than the previous two. I'm dying to hear Essex, and wish they would just release it. Alf, Raindancing, and Hoodoo are her only solo albums released to date, but she also released a cover of Billy Holiday's "That Ole Devil Called Love". I believe the single went to #1 in the UK and garnered her an award for best female artist. I wish she'd do more songs like that. The single was great. She's also done a couple of great B-Sides, including a cover of a Lamont/Dozier/Holland tune called Hitch Hike, and a song called Don't Burn Down the Bridge. Other favorites of mine are "Blow Wind Blow" from raindancing, "Where Hides Sleep" from Alf, and "Find Me" from Hoodoo. About a year ago she did a radio interview here in San Diego, and said that one of her idols was Janis Joplin. Listening to "Find Me" you can certainly hear the influence. I love Alison Moyet. She is the only one who consistently can send shivers of delight down my spine with her voice. Now if she'd just get some decent material, or do a true blues album, it would be truly magnificent. Jeff Hanson ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 03:29:07 +1100 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Groundhogs prefer THX certified cinemas Hi again everyone! I'm still trying to cope with the frenzy over on rdt - this list is positively quiet by comparison! Nothing much of note happened this past week; the Bob Geldof interview failed to materialise due to a stuff-up by PolyGram in Perth; it's being rescheduled. I sat around for 3 and a half hours waiting for the thing. Grrr. Vickie wrote to Graham: > *GUH* As I've always said, this is a most guhhable group. Backwards hugs? We gottem. :) Paul Cohenises: > New Falling Joys album? Wow! That's a must get, in my book. Hope I can > manage to get an Aussie import. "Aerial" is indeed a must-get... hassle Nettwerk as you see fit. As always, I can pick up copies here for any Ectophiles who feel the need to have one. Incidentally, I forgot to mention the t-shirt I picked up at the gig. On one side it has the cover of the album, and on the back, in big text, it says: "A TOTALLY RARE AND CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE LIMITED EDITION FALLING JOYS T SHIRT." :-) Chris Boek reappears! > P.S. Thanks Anthony for the Margot stuff - I look with anticipation > for a package. The address is in my sig Thanks! I was wondering if you were still around :) Package is in the mail tomorrow... Lisa, or Jazz as we sometimes call her, writes: > Dear EctoHead, :-) That's my IRC nick, for those who were wondering... :-) > Wonderful Channel! Verry friendly and warm! > I'd like to join the mailing list, if I may. Welcome! It's not my channel, or my mailing list, but it is the most wonderful place in the world to be. You'll like it here. :) > I want you to know that this is the first channel I've found on the net that I > really, genuinely like! You think the channel was good, wait'll you see the mailing list! :-) ***HUG*** and welcome. Drewcifer speaks out on Kristen Hersh: > Ugh. > > I'll be selling Hips and Makers ASAP, unless someone wants to buy it from > me. I only played it once, and I only *needed* to play it once. I wasn't > all that disappointed with Red Heaven when that came out...it was a lot more > engaging than this monotonous, uniformly dull tripe with the pitch range of > a washing machine, and about as much tension and excitement. I can't > imagine ever wanting to listen to this at all except as a soporific. I hate to say so, but I agree with that almost 100%, with the exception of "Your Ghost" which is a work of unbridled genius. The album proper I too found to be almost unlistenable, and I couldn't make it all the way through. Along with 4AD labelmates The Breeders, who also put out a great single only to follow it with a turgid, ill-concieved album, this is one of the biggest artist disappointments for quite a while. > My reaction: to yawn, and put Tori back on. Mmmmm...that's much better. I did exactly the same thing! Ectosynchronicity strikes again... Jeff talks of producer Ross Cullum: > Still lost? Okay, okay...it's "Orinoco Flow" by Enya. Yeah, Cullum mixed > _Watermark_. Actually, he only mixed "Orinoco Flow"... > Wow. This is *such* an amazing album (listening to "Cornflake Girl" > again). Yep! - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)