Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #461 ecto, Number 461 Thursday, 25 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* This is the story. The golden mean? More Grammy thoughts Grammys Love Club More Tori... :) Paranoia Re: PG on the Grannies Another Equipoise first impression grammy highlights (my own edit) Re: Speaking of Tori and other sensible tastes in music Aimee Mann ======================================================================== Date: 25 Feb 93 17:09:03 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: This is the story. Well, after that exuberant, glowing review from Mr. Ezust regarding the Story, I immediately faxed my good friend in Ann Arbor and she purchased a slew of tix for the 9:30 show on March 13, when I will fortuitously (if alan is correct) find my self in the Michigan area. Oh boy! So, Alan, are you very very sure I should not listen to their CDs before seeing the concert? Almost every concert I've ever been has been more deeply appreciated with some fore-knowledge of the music. (I'll probably get the CD/s anyways... which is the most prudent purchase (how many CDs are there)?) Have I said that Shawn Colvin is brilliant? Every time I listen to Fat City I like it more... and I've been listening to Steady On lately as well. Both excellent and highly recommended. She's even better live. Hope I can see her again some time. Talk about witty, insightful lyrics that speak to me. uh-huh. It's Ectoriffic! -palindrome man- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 16:50:51 CST From: Subject: The golden mean? WRT Mary Lou (or evil surrogate)'s rantings on the Grammys in general and Billy Ray Cyrus in particular: The fact that BRC didn't win anything, even as Eric Clapton was winning too much and kdl too little just goes to show that nobody's perfect--or perfectly rotten :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Subject: More Grammy thoughts Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 18:08:10 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis The answer to yesterday's trivia question will be revealed tomorrow. Re: PG at the Grammies: I hmmmed a bit (showing skepticism) about PG's performance on the Grammies last night, and Jeff and Jessica both agreed that they liked the performance and saw it as a live rendition of the video. Obviously it was a live rendition of it. It was just hard for me to believe that PG would have to do such a thing in an awards show. It's something that Michael Jackson would do(IMHO). I guess I was expecting a live world-influenced version of it, and that was why the memorex performance didn't strike me as impressive. Specifically Jessica mentioned that: > I didn't know what to expect, but I didn't expect such a production for a >one-song performance at the grammies. Apparently the same staging and performance was done at the Brits too, if the la-times newsgroup is to be trusted. So I guess it was not a one-time thing. Then Mary Lou's evil twin :) steps in and says: >Wacko Jacko -- Who wants to bet that's the guy's just graduated from > a Dale Carnegie course on effective speaking? I've never > heard him sound so ... directed... more solid. That is the > least 'whispy' I've ever heard him. I can't believe this guy either. He sounded like Sinead O Connor when he started his child abuse story :) He even mentioned AIDS in the inaugural ball. Did he start watching CNN or something? All this sudden awareness seems suspicious :) Even his humourous remark that he and Janet aren't the same person. Something's going on with Jacko. >Billy Ray Cyrus -- I hate "Achy-Breaky Heart". Well, I do too, but it *is* kind of funny. It wasn't *meant* as ground breaking music. He's a Tom Jones for the 90's. [I can't believe I actually *bought* a copy of his album for my sister who loved the song when she heard it in a country-western bar in Toronto last summer and wanted it as a gift. But this is the sort of music my sister likes. Fun music that doesn't provoke any thought.] Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 15:22:13 PST From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Grammys There is a problem (or two) here. 1) I didn't see the Grammy Awards. 2) I didn't see a newspaper since yesterday. 3) I have no clue as to who won! Alright already! Who won? In what categories? -- John ======================================================================== Subject: Love Club Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 13:01:57 -0800 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com In response to Christine's question about Love Club/"Sad Eyes": I have their album _Lime Twigs and Treachery_ (1990), which contains the following tracks: One Last Kiss Corpses In the Sand Holding Heaven's Hand The Mirror Killing Ground Sad Eyes Distant Eternity The Thief (Popular Metaphysics/MCA Records, MCAD-10034) I only know about them at all from hearing them played in-store at the local Tower and jumping on it. I'd describe their sound (less than adequately) as sort of a cross between Caterwaul and Dead Can Dance, definitely the sort of thing that would appeal to other Ecto-folk. The band line-up is: Deborah Borchers (vocals, piano) Lawrence Doyle (guitars) Craig Spitzer (bass) Randy Gzebb (drums) plus additional musicians This may be rather hard to get hold of. Now you know as much about them as I do. John Zimmer johnz@eaglet.rain.com ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: More Tori... :) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 11:09:13 +1100 (EST) John writes ... > > Did I say I didn't LIKE Tori?? What I meant to say was that I hadn't > met Tori, so how could I possibly LIKE her??? :) As for her music, well, > er, um, how's the weather in your parts? :) > Tori who ... ? *;) Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Paranoia Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 11:17:36 +1100 (EST) Mitch writes ... > > It is fortunate that while Clapton did indeed walk away with all the marbles > Could somebody post a list of the important winners of various awards ? I'm curious to know what happened in the PG nominated categories, as well as others ... > Mitchell Alden Pravatiner > (Often reputed, over the last 4 decades, to be confused; but never before > confused with any other ectophile :-) ) > > ------------------------------- > "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." > > --poster on a professor's office door, circa 1974 > I like that, and this : "You'd be paranoid too if everybody was out to get _you_" Jim Hacker, MP (not another one *:) ), 'Yes Minister'. Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: PG on the Grannies Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 11:22:19 +1100 (EST) Jessica elucidates ... > Jeff says: > > Angelos sez: > > > > >Is *this* where PG is heading, or is this just a grande facade for the > > >Big Time crowd? Was it live or memorex (the vocal)? Is this what his > > >upcoming tour will be like (probably not)? > > > > Have you seen the video to "Steam"? To my mind, this was the closest one > > could come to a live-action, real-time staging of it, and I though it > > came off pretty well (other than the mis-timed steam eruptions...:-\ ) > > I haven't seen the video :P. I thought the performance was really > great! I didn't know what to expect, but I didn't expect such a > production for a one-song performance at the grammies. I was relaly > impressed that he did what he did - and I thought it was visually > extraordinary. > > > It also put me in mind of early Genesis in the sense of the whole costume/ > > theatrics of it. That wasn't Peter Gabriel on the stage, per se, but > > rather the persona of the character in the song/video. > > Mmm. As i said, I haven't seen the video, but it was definitely > apparant that he was portraying the character from the song. > This sounds very bizarre considering that he performed this song for the _first_ time only a week ago in Adelaide, although he did seem to have a few movementy type things in his head while he was singing this particular song. He must have done some mammoth preparation in a very short space of time. I'd be very interested to see this performance. Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 18:27:59 CST From: lusky@sol.hc.ti.com (Steve Lusky) Subject: Another Equipoise first impression First, about Troy's Cohabitants comment: ... well- does anyone else think its about a person with multiple personalities? That was similar to my first reaction to this song. I read it as more to do with different sides to one's personality, e.g. being manic and depressive or schizophrenic, and having to balance and live with them. Let me introduce myself. I am nothing of the musical nor movie expert the way many of you are. I occasionally listen to some alternative radio stations [KERA and KOAI in Dallas] as well as some pop stations while driving, which is not too often as I normally commute by bicycle. Occasionally they will play Happy, Kate, Clannad, Tori, and similar artists. At least I know that I have very similar interests to other Ectophiles and readers of rec.music.gaffa. I appreciate all the comments of other artists on these groups. Last spring or summer, after having seen several raves from Vicky about Happy on RMG, I was motoring (hey, you DRIVE a bicycle, RIDE in a car, so I use the term "motoring" instead of "driving a car" :-) home when a tune and voice came on the radio I'd not heard before. A bit deeper than but similar to Kate. The music and social message struck deep. "Feel the seering heat of higher conciousness. Feel the yearning for peace and happiness." !?! Indeed, this singer was amazing. Was this the Happy Rhodes? Got home a minute later, called KERA and found out it was "Waking Up". Soon I found my way to a Sound Future in Dallas, a small chain of music stores that lets you listen to CD's before you decide to buy them. They had a few copies of Warpaint, so I listened, liked most of it, and bought it. I love it all after close listening; sorry Kate, you now have a peer in Happy. Sincere thanks to Vicky (**hug**) for the intro to Happy's music. Unfortunately some on RMG complain of non-KT traffic. Vicky's msgs were some of the few on RMG that I always read and enjoyed, but her mail to RMG became sparse . When I realized she was active on the Ecto mailing list, I joined it. Fortunately on Ecto, there is a much more positive, cheerful and supportive mood. Perhaps a bit voluminous, but a great group. With all the recent Ecto traffic about Equipoise, I felt the excitement but not as urgently as many of you. I read all the spoilers as people gave their impressions. (They didn't spoil my first reaction at all.) Yes, I too must get a copy. Might as well extend myself and spring for two more CD's. Two weeks ago this morning I mailed the order. Would I have Runners on my mind when taking a mini bicycle vacation this past weekend? No, it still had not arrived. What a weekend. Took off Friday to bicycle to a small private nature preserve in Ben Wheeler, some 80 miles east of Dallas, and missed the arrival of Equipoise, Ecto, and Rhodes. But, bicycling 100+ miles a day for three days into strong headwinds was still a joy. On return home, finally, trepidation, there was the package. Feeling a bit burned out (exhaustion and sun burn) and not wanting to ignore the family, I played them softly, as though background music, to get a sense of the melodies. Interesting. But, had to sleep! Woke up before 4am, now wide awake. Time for healthy food, headphones and Happy. (I like a little alliteration :-) Catch up on reading newspapers? Nope. I read the lyrics while listening to them for 3 hours. My reaction? Well, let me recall the remark from a past friend, Sanjay Panditji, an astounding sitar player whom I met at UofMich in the mid-70's. He noted that the day has three hour periods, with distinctive moods. The one from 3-6am is one of reflection, of awe, of quiet beauty, of replenishment between the days. That was indeed my mood. All three CD's brought chills and tears to me. Well done, Happy, so well done. Several of the melodies have stuck in my mind. Yet, I have no favorites. I love them all; like kids, they grow on ya. I find the covers repelling. Not repulsive, but like poisen symbols. Beware, demons and pain lurk here. Inside, they are exposed, but in a positive way. Having a son Ian with an emotional/social "handicap", and others in my extended family with psychological problems, and yes I'm one of the family, I find Happy's work particularly attractive. (100 miles from home they recognize the town Plano on our shirts. "Did you bicycle all the way here" "Yes, we did." "Oh, you really are nuts!") At times Ian can be obnoxious and intrusive yet naive, leading others to harass, beat and take advantage of him. We say of Ian that he is normal, only more so. The way people react to him sometimes shows strong prejudice, intolerance and unacceptable violence. Demons of "normal" people revealed! America is such a violent country that we have the highest prison rate by far of "civilized" countries, yet all I hear about how to address violence is more prisons, more police. Be judgmental and self-rightous. Push your opinions on others. Surprise! more violence. There is a better way. Happy writes of the feelings within, which many people think is sappy but I think is essential if we are to progress as a civilization, in the full sense of the term Civil. Happy's music without words is grand enough. Her real genius emerges in the synergy of the music with difficult topics that entices you to think. Cheers, Steve Just another eng'neer synthesizing screaming CMOS CPU circuits. (oh, no, not another one :-) p.s. 29jul52 (that's 6years 1day BK :-), shoe 9.5, Bike! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 16:31:56 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: grammy highlights (my own edit) LOS ANGELES (UPI) -- Winners of the 35th annual Grammy Awards, presented by the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences in ceremonies Wednesday at the Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium: Music video, short form: ``Digging In The Dirt,'' John Downer, director and producer, performed by Peter Gabriel. Music video, long form: ``Diva,'' director Sophie Muller, producer Rob Small, performed by Annie Lennox. Rock vocal performance, female: ``Ain't It Heavy (track from ''Never Enough``), Melissa Etheridge. Rock vocal performance, male: ``Unplugged'' (album), Eric Clapton. Rock song: ``Layla,'' Eric Clapton and Jim Gordon, songwriters. [tee hee] R&B vocal performance-female: ``The Woman I Am'' (album), Chaka Khan. Country vocal performance-female: ``I Feel Lucky''(single), Mary- Chapin Carpenter. Country performance, duo or group with vocal: ``Emmylou Harris and the Nash Ramblers at the Ryman'' (album), Emmylou Harris and the Nash Ramblers. Tropical latin album: ``Frenesi,'' Linda Ronstadt. Mexican-American album: ``Mas Canciones,'' Linda Ronstadt. Traditional folk album: ``An Irish Evening Live At the Grand Opera House Belfast,'' The Chieftains. Contemporary folk album: ``Another Country,'' The Chieftains. New age album: ``Shepherd Moons,'' Enya. Alternative music album: ``Bone Machine,'' Tom Waits. Pop vocal performance, male: ``Tears In Heaven'' (single), Eric Clapton. Song of the year: ``Tears In Heaven,'' by Eric Clapton and Will Jennings, performed by Eric Clapton. Pop vocal performance, female: ``Constant Craving'' (single), k.d. lang. New artist: Arrested Development. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 19:58:24 EST From: justin@campion.crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: Re: Speaking of Tori and other sensible tastes in music more precisely, speaking of Sarah M... Mitch very kindly provides directions from Chicago Union Station to Rose Records where you can find the allegedly limited live EP. It occurs to me that if you're going to take the train to go shopping for the CD, you might want to turn the trip into an International Adventure, and come fetch it here in its country of origin! (This message applies only to travellers arriving from the USA. Canadians are assumed to be able to find the item just about anywhere, and other countries do not have any direct rail service into Canada.) So, if you live somewhere between Chicago and Port Huron MI, catch the International to Toronto Union Station. If you're coming from New York State, the Maple Leaf runs NYC-Albany-Buffalo-Toronto. From Union Station, take the Yonge subway line northbound three stops to Dundas and walk north a block to HMV or Sam the Record Man. If you're coming from Washington, then the Montrealer brings you overnight via NYC, Amherst MA, and White River Jct. VT to Montreal; NYC and northern NY state dwellers may also take the Adirondack, the day train to Montreal. From the woods of northern Maine there's VIA Rail Canada's Atlantic (Halifax-Montreal), which runs three times a week. Once you arrive in Montreal's Central Station/Gare centrale, it's probably quickest to walk to Sam's, but since you want to see the metro, head down the long long tunnels to Bonaventure metro station (not your average subway station, by the way!) where you can take the orange line, direction Cote-Vertu, to Lionel-Groulx (another remarkable station); come back into the centre on the green line, direction Honore- Beaugrand, and get off at Place-des-Arts. Take the Bleury St. exit, walk south (downhill) a block to Sainte-Catherine St., turn right, and Sam the Record Man is a block away on your right. There's a pretty decent HMV, too - walk 10 minutes farther along Sainte-Catherine, or get back on the metro and take it two stops, direction Angrignon, to Peel station, Peel exit into the Cours Mont-Royal shopping centre. From the food area there's a passage into the jazz section of HMV. Unfortunately there's no train from Seattle to Vancouver... justin ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 19:56:16 EST From: Tamar Boursalian Subject: Aimee Mann Hi! A few digests ago, several people mentioned Aimee Mann--at least I think it was on Ecto. I don't know, my brain has been like mush lately. Anyway, I came across a little blurb about her in the New Haven Advocate yesterday, so I thought I'd pass it on. The piece is really about a local guy named Jon Brion, but there was some stuff about Aimee in it: "But while we wait to see whatever becomes of _Me_, we can expect the release of the new Aimee Mann album, produced by Brion, this spring. We've heard the thing, the first solo work from the former til tuesday leader. It's pretty much in the can, and it should provide listeners the rush Brion sought when he added poppy guitars and string sections to Mann's frequently wistful & laid-back compositions (many of which were tested on the road at stops like Pearl Street in Northampton). Songs include: _I Should've Known_; _50 Years After the Fair_; _Mr. Harris_; _Could've Been Anyone_; _Put Me on top_; _Stupid Thing_; _Say Anything_; _Jacob Marley's Chain_; _4th of July_; _Hurt You Know_; _I Know There's A Word_; _I've Had It_; _Way Back When_; and _Pipes_. "We know of plenty of local bands who've expressed their deep respect for Ms. Mann and are waiting breathlessly for any new release. This album signifies a break from til tuesday's CBS contract, and indeed much of the material contains major metaphorical statements about success, failure, and frustration. The disk, which as far as we know is simply entitled _Aimee Mann_, is coming out on the supportive small label Imago." I also saw this album listed on the upcoming release board in a local record store. It's tentatively scheduled for release in May. Gee, I hope I posted this to the right list. Well, I guess I'll just go home and listen to Equipoise now. You people are going to cause me to go broke--first I had to buy all of Happy's albums, and now I strongly feel the need to go out and get myself a good set of headphones!! Have a good one! Freezing my ass off in New Haven, Tamar, the Weather Wimp boutame@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)