Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #459 ecto, Number 459 Thursday, 25 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: k.d. lang Gyan Cinderella's Song Happyvangelizing in Portland A Quick Note or Two Happy Birthday Tori??? Philadelphia concert tape Tape dubbing project FAQ ;-) General silliness warning in effect! ;-) Connecting a PC to ecto Re: I could have used them :-) More Tori... :) ======================================================================== Subject: Re: k.d. lang Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 23:13:19 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >I don't know how the rest of you managed to interpret the album as >being the outcome of the unrequited love of a woman for another >married woman Um, perhaps because she said it in an interview? (which is to say that it's not necessarily explicit in the lyrics...) >The problem I have with love songs is that they can apply to anyone or >romantic relationship. Theoretically. It's pretty damned liberating to your basic queerfolk, though, when an out-of-the-closet queerperson releases (and has hits with!) love songs. The songs take on a deeper meaning because you're not fucking around with silly pronoun switches to make it fit your situation. And I'd go on to say that I feel that a fem-fem love song is more applicable to my life and worldview than a male/female love song. On a related note, congrats to Melissa Etheridge for her grammy for "Ain't it Heavy"! >It's just too damned tiring. As one of my >friends once said, "There're only 3 kinds of love songs: `I want you >very badly because you're so wonderful,' or `I'm sorry that we just >broke up,' or `You're so wonderful, aren't you glad we're in a >relationship?'" You've left out the *huge* category of unrequited love. This is different from the "yer so cool" song which you seem to be implying with your first category. A couple of my favorites in this category would be "Losing My Religion" by REM and "Must Be Crazy For Me" by Melissa Etheridge. >(I like a lot of Happy's love songs too, but I haven't analyzed them >much because I just got her albums recently...) Most of Happy's love songs are actually a bit sappy. They are, however, lyrically interesting, musically *gorgeous*, and _honest_. I love them all. Jeff ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 05:20:14 +0100 Subject: Re: k.d. lang Piaw writes: > [humourous generalization elided] > For the longest time, the only love song I could even stand was > "Somebody" by Depeche Mode, which certainly did not fall into the > above categories. How about Abba's "The day before you came"? Don't mock it until you heard it... It actually was the last single they released, and it's quite melancholic, like many of the songs on "The Visitors". (Perhaps I ought to be ashamed of myself for this ;-) > (I like a lot of Happy's love songs too, but I haven't analyzed them > much because I just got her albums recently...) Happy? Love songs? Hmm, I guess I haven't paid enough attention ... and my Happy CD's aren't with me right now :-( Kjetil T. (not into love songs either) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 15:00:35 +1000 From: GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@bhpmelmsm.bhp.bhpmel04.telememo.au Subject: Gyan Martin sez... >Re: Gyan >Tim Cook, I got your snail-mail, thanks... the discs are forthcoming (I'll buy >them this weekend). The other people I talked to about getting Gyan for, and >anyone else interested, please email me again so I can get organised. >I remember Mike Peskura and Woj but I'm sure I've some other people >have slipped through the gaping holes in my memory lately. > >In other news, I'm going to a Gyan concert held on Rottnest this weekend, a >small island about 20km off the coast of Perth. Should be good! WOW! Gyan makes it too Ecto!! Hey Martin I've been a Gyan fan from -way- back (do you remember her when she used to sing in Hi-Q?) I can remember sitting in that terrible Italian restaurant in London (just after the KonvenTion) and giving Vicki a copy of her first album, self-titled Gyan. Do you still have it Vicki? Did you like it?? I went to yet another of her concerts here in Wollongong only a few months back. She has been touring with just these two other guys on guitar to back her. Very nice... Anyway, after that concert I had a bit of a talk with her and found out that she remebered me from a concert I went to in Sydney many years back. It was her first ever sole concert! -WOW- I was there and she remembered! 8-) ======================================================================== Graham Dombkins GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@BHPMELMSM.BHP.bhpmel04.telememo.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Hello Earth!! hello Earth..." - KT "I'm out chasing nuns in the yard..." - TA Space for undecided Happy quote. - HR ======================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 2:50:11 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Cinderella's Song "I was born with a penchant for sadness, now I can finally speak of the madness" ...just contemplating all the wonderful lyrics on this album. Cohab's back-stop-Working it out-stop-Enjoying the hell out of Ecto-stop- Be back soon-stop-PG & David Lynch on Leno Thursday-stop-Any evening after 10pm. Christine-stop-Trumpet sound? *What* trumpet sound?-stop- *HUGS* to y'all-continue Vickie ps, have I said lately how much I love Equip.....oh yeah, I guess I have :-) ======================================================================== Subject: Happyvangelizing in Portland Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 23:38:06 -0800 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com Last Friday morning I was listening to 'Instant Breakfast' on local station KBOO (90.7), said program having a very ectopian play list (i.e., whatever the host feels like playing). Seeing the light bulb go on over my head, I dialed up the station and got hold of the host, Sylvia Hackathorn -- it's a small non-commercial station -- and asked her if she'd ever heard of Happy. She said no, and asked me what kind of music she does. I did my poor best to answer that one, and she sounded intrigued and promised to look for Happy's stuff. It was at this point I offered to make a sample tape and send it to her, which definitely got her interest ("Oh, yeah, I *love* to get stuff like that!"). I made a tape of half a dozen tracks each off Warpaint and Equipoise, and included the address for AG. I'll keep y'all posted if anything develops from this. SteveV, can you get this station in Eugene? For anyone who's interested, here's what I managed to cram onto the 54-minute tape I happened to have handy: WP: ---- Feed the Fire, To Live In Your World, Phobos, All Things, Words Weren't Made For Cowards, In Hiding EQP: ---- Runners, He Will Come, Cohabitants, Mother Sea, I Say I've got my fingers crossed. John Zimmer johnz@eaglet.rain.com ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: k.d. lang Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 9:57:25 BST On Thu, 25 Feb 1993 05:20:14 +0100, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: > Piaw writes: > > For the longest time, the only love song I could even stand was > > "Somebody" by Depeche Mode, which certainly did not fall into the > > above categories. > How about Abba's "The day before you came"? Don't mock it until you > heard it... It actually was the last single they released, and it's > quite melancholic, like many of the songs on "The Visitors". (Perhaps > I ought to be ashamed of myself for this ;-) No way you should be ashamed of recommending an Abba song (they produced some of the most perfectly crafted pop/rock records over a ten-year span during the seventies and early eighties). Especially one from my favourite Abba album, "The Visitors". Great band. To relate this post to the subject line (admittedly something that's hardly de rigeur for Ectophiles), congratulations to k.d. lang on her Grammy! She turned up on a lunchtime chat show on UK television last week. She performed a song from "Ingenue" and suffered a totally inane five-minute interview from a complete drip of a presenter. There was a small, but highly vocal, band of fans of hers in the audience who seemed to embarrass the presenter somewhat. Good to see her, albeit briefly, on the box though. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 7:13 EST From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: A Quick Note or Two Hello Everybody! Just a quick thanks to all who responded with messages to and for Susanne. She _does_ have a computer and modem, so it's only a matter of time before she joins us on ecto! I just have to convince her that it's not that difficult!:) I heard a new (new to me, anyway!) singer named Tasmin Archer today on WXPN. Anyone else hear know of her? Sounded really good... Take care, all, and Happy Listening! Bob Lovejoy ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 14:09:43 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Happy Birthday Hi, Happy Birthday to Christine Waite. Have a nice day. And Happy Birthday in advance to Christine Kennel on March 2. I will think of you when I'm lying under the sun of Portugal. My flight goes in exactly 21 hours. :-) :-) I hope to regain my equipoise there. I will only stay eight days but I need to escape from here for a while. Unfortunately I don't have a walkman. This means: eight days without Happy. Uaaah! John wrote: > That's really one of the nicest things I've noticed about Ecto these past >few weeks. No one gets flamed for their own likes and dislikes. Myself, I >don't like Tori Amos at all. But it's just my opinion and it's nice to know >that I can have it and not be flamed (right??) :) Yes, no one gets flamed, but if you really want to be taken seriously in this list, you *should* love Tori Amos. ;-) Ob Happy: someone compared Happy with Julia Fordham. That's right. In the verses of The Flight she sounds exactly like Julia. Time to leave. There are lots of things to do before the travel. I wish you all a happy week. See ya later. Dirk ------------------------ "It is the travel and the people that have opened me up and made me look at the way I live. All young people should have the chance to travel and meet people from all over the world." PG ======================================================================== Date: 25 Feb 1993 09:41:09 -0500 (EST) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: Tori??? Well, I posted a note a few days ago saying that I don't like Tori. Dirk has since pointed out: >Yes, no one gets flamed, but if you really want to be taken seriously >in this list, you *should* love Tori Amos. ;-) My sister is a big fan of hers, and since I recently sent her a Happy tape, (which she loved BTW), she is going to try to show me how good Tori is by sending out a tape to me. She's also going to include some P.J. Harvey, so I'm anxious to get it. :) All this new music... It's great! :) John (giving Tori a second chance :) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 07:59:16 MST From: dbx@teton.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Philadelphia concert tape Greetings, Greg has given his blessing, so the recording of the 22 March 1992 Happy Rhodes concert in Harrison Auditorium in Philadelphia PA is now available through the tape dubbing project. However, please note that this tape has the same restriction as the Albany concert tape. You must be an Ectophile, and you must have bought at least one Happy Rhodes album. This is more or less run on the honor system, so please don't screw it up and betray the great trust Happy and Kevin have given us for these recordings. If you are wondering how to get this tape, the FAQ for the tape dubbing project will follow shortly in a separate post. Also, I'm still accepting suggestions for an updated Happy sampler. E-mail me a list of songs you would like to see on such a sampler, up to 25 of them (Sorry, Vickie, you can't vote for ALL of them. :) ), though any number of songs will be gratefully accepted. I'm especially looking for suggestions from the extra CD tracks and _Equipoise_. Vote early and often! :) Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 07:59:33 MST From: dbx@teton.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Tape dubbing project FAQ Greetings, Here are the answers to all of your questions you have asked (and some that you haven't :) ) about the Ecto tape dubbing project. * What tapes are available? Happy Gift Project 1991, Vol I (C-100) Happy Gift Project 1991, Vol II (C-100) These are songs selected by Ectophiles as a gift for Happy for the winter holiday season. It is quite an eclectic collection to browse through. Miscellaneous Happy tape (C-90) World Cafe interview of Happy, including live versions of "Feed the Fire", "Words Weren't Made For Cowards", and "Given In". The songs are included as originally recorded and in the context of the interview. The tape also includes two songs by Kevin Bartlett with Happy singing ethereal backing vocals, and the five Bartlett/Rhodes demos. Femme Music Collection Vol I (Lushy Pop) (C-90) Femme Music Collection Vol II (Mish Smash) (C-90) Femme Music Collection Vol III (Voices) (C-90) Femme Music Collection Vol IV (International Sampler) (C-90) Femme Music Collection Vol V (Easy, does it?) (C-90) Femme Music Collection Vol VI (C-90) A wide-ranging collection of female vocalists selected by Vickie Mapes Happy Rhodes Live! Albany NY 18 March 1992 Vol I (C-100) Happy Rhodes Live! Albany NY 18 March 1992 Vol II (C-100) Live recording by woj of the Happy Rhodes concert at the QE2. This is a high quality recording for the conditions. (Note that this tape will only be sent to Ectophiles. Please respect Happy's and Kevin's wishes and don't make copies of this for anyone who does not already own Happy's albums). The "Last" Champagne Jam 15 May 1992 Vol I (C-100) The "Last" Champagne Jam 15 May 1992 Vol II (C-100) The "last" Champagne Jam broadcast on WESU-FM in Middletown CT, hosted by Meredith Tarr, chock full of Ecto-style artists and even some (*gasp*) male vocalists. The recording is of decent quality. The Unofficial Happy Sampler (C-100) A sampler of songs by Happy Rhodes from all five of her albums, as chosen by Meredith Tarr. Happy Rhodes Live! Philadelphia PA 21 March 1992 (C-100) Live recording by Greg Bossert of the Happy Rhodes concert at the Harrison Auditorium. This is a good quality recording, though the last third of the concert was lost. (Note that this tape is covered by the same restrictions as the Albany concert tape). If you want the see the actual contents of any or all of these tapes, please e-mail me. A printed copy of the tape contents will be included with every order, along with a cassette label. * Sounds great! How do I get a copy of any or all of these tapes? Three methods of getting the tapes are available: * Establish a cassette account with me. In other words, send me a check to cover the cost of cassettes, packaging, and postage. Put in as much as you want, not necessarily just to cover a single order (though you can do that, too). After your first order, anytime you want a cassette, you would just e-mail me, and I can get things out to you as soon as possible without your mailing me anything. In this case, I would dip into my own supply of chrome cassettes which I've ordered in bulk (Thanks, Mitch!). Accounts can be opened or closed at any time. Put in as much as you want, as more tapes should be added. * Establish a cassette account, as in 1, except that I will purchase the type of tape you specifically request. Obviously the cost of the tape will be higher, though the packaging and postage will be the same. * Send me the cassettes you want to put the music on (C-90 or C-100) along with money to cover packaging and return postage. I will copy the tapes you request and return them. Consider opening an account, as it will save you having to mail an order, let alone the cassettes. * How much will it cost? If you use my stash of cassettes, the cost for the cassettes is $1.10 each. The packaging for mailing the cassettes is between $0.34 and $0.66 depending on the number of tapes mailed. The postage varies depending on the number of tapes and the destination. So far, it has ranged between $0.98 and $16.70. Big help, eh? If you wish a more precise estimate for your postage cost, I can give you one via e-mail. US orders will be mailed book rate, taking five to seven days. Non-US orders will be air mailed, taking about seven to ten days. As for foreign payments, so far everyone has sent either American cash or a money order denominated in US currency. I believe that I can handle anything denominated in US currency, and probably any cashier's check (a check drawn on the bank's rather than a personal account). * Where do I send the order? To me. My mailing address: Doug Burks, 2036 West Plum Street C7, Fort Collins CO 80521 USA Orders will be processed in the order I get them, with special dispensation for foreign orders. Please note that I will not process any e-mail orders unless you have an open cassette account. * Anything else I should know? Just a few odds and ends: If I make any mistakes, I will replace the tape for free. I intend to post a progress report on the dubbing operation regularly. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 25 Feb 93 10:07:06 EST Subject: ;-) General silliness warning in effect! ;-) John, I don't know about giving Tori a second chance stuff. You see, by admitting upfront that you didn't like Tori the first time around you've put yourself in a bind. Let me explain. Scenario 1: You still don't like Tori, then you won't be taken seriously. Scenario 2: You like Tori after the second listen, then you'll be perceived as merely bowing to peer pressure! I guess the best option is to get a new identity with plastic surgery, new name, and new account and then re-sign on to Ecto claiming to have always loved Tori! ;-) Then you'll be secure in the love and respect of your peers. How you should of avoided this in the first place is to either: a) Never express an opinion until you're sure everyone agrees with you. Cuts down on conversation, but it's a small price to pay! b) Only say when you like someone, never, ever indicate when you don't. If you like someone and no one else does, you can claim you were kidding. Yours in silliness! - Michael B. (Conformity! It's not just an answer, it's the Answer!) ======================================================================== From: wrp@ivy.paramax.com (Bill Pringle) Subject: Connecting a PC to ecto Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 11:27:19 -0500 (EST) If Susanne has an IBM PC with a modem, there is a public domain package called WAFFLE, which provides uucp type connection for an MS-DOS machine. It provides e-mail and news support. I have used it to connect a friend's PC to the net. She would have to find some site near her that could provide a feed. WAFFLE can either poll and/or be polled by the other machine. -- ============================================================================ Bill Pringle Software Tools Paramax Corporation Voice: (215)443-7500 X4023 Internet: wrp@ivy.paramax.com UUCP: ...!uunet!mimsy!widener!gvls1!wrp%ivy ======================================================================== Subject: Re: I could have used them :-) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 11:25:25 -0500 From: "Daniel S. Riley" greg writes: [general silliness deleted] [specific silliness deleted] [I should note that this post really annoyed my officemates, as I absolutely refused to stop laughing...] > Red Earth > Red Sails > Red Shoes Hey, you missed "Red High Heels"! >the thought of us travelling the world, instruments in hand, bringing >our interpretations of Happy's music to people in transit to exciting >places, is truly frightening... ;) I had this sudden image of me, greg, woj, meth and jess in a chicago subway station, playing happy covers on greg's toy instrument collection. And, yes, Happy was there in the background, though I'm not sure if that was a stake she was holding... >"The most [...] Footah [...] I've seen today :-)" >that seems plausible... let's hope it's true! ;) What, something wrong with more footah? Later, in the same venue, Michael Blackmore wrote: > I don't know about giving Tori a second chance stuff. You see, >by admitting upfront that you didn't like Tori the first time around >you've put yourself in a bind. Careful there! I seem to recall a certain ecto-ma going through exactly the aforementioned conversion... -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: 25 Feb 1993 12:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: More Tori... :) Mike, Did I say I didn't LIKE Tori?? What I meant to say was that I hadn't met Tori, so how could I possibly LIKE her??? :) As for her music, well, er, um, how's the weather in your parts? :) And Dan, You wouldn't mind spilling the beans about that certain Ecto person and their dislikes, would you??? :) John (trying to conform without REALLY trying... :) hing but the packing sitting out on the table, I can't get them out of TJ's car..he' he's got all six! Also, someone made a mention of a promo poster of Happy's Equipoise cover...Are there promos for the pic?? Jeanne ------------------- "...you know you can never make me love you more, let the sky fall down and the leaves turn brown." -Sunscreem ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)