Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #442 ecto, Number 442 Tuesday, 16 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Bob Finds The Internet... Equipose & more (or Snail Mail hits a new low!) More stuff... legendary pink dots On stuff I read in magazines and email lists Happy Weather Re: Interesting musicians I found Hello Possums! Re: What to see in Chicago ======================================================================== From: ge!r.lovejoy1%bux@uunet.uu.net Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 19:25:00 PDT Subject: Bob Finds The Internet... Hello, Ectonians! First off, I should like to apologize to the rest of the international Ectophelian Community for any representation of a slight owing to my calling Ecto a US and Australian dominion. As it turns out, the mighty Internet (patent pending) (?) is deeper and stronger and farther-reaching than my own small mind! To all the people throughout the world tuned in to this amazing network, this global village, this scepter'd isle .. er .. well, anyway, sorry! Vickie: Hello! What a wonderful story about your meeting H&K. Ectosynchratic as it is, it is wonderful how people on this planet interact sometimes! BTW, a kind soul named Meredith Tarr (who helped me find my way here) sent me a tape of your interview with Happy. What a great rapport! She also sent a 5th generation copy of the Bartlett-Rhodes demo, and suggested that you may have a better sounding copy. I can trade a copy of Helen Leicht's WXPN interview made on the day she released her back catalog on CD, but I have a feeling Ectophiles in general are way ahead of me on things like this. It's the same interview I gave Happy and Kevin to listen to on the train back to Albany when I met them at my own ectosynchratic experience! I have to tell you, though, that your interview is a bit better, as you let Happy talk more...! By the way, Vickie, your show sounds great! Wish we could pick it up here. We are fortunate to have WXPN, but I have to tell you all that I'm not hearing Equipoise as much as I'd like to on that station! Many have commented here that Equipoise is not as dramatic as Warpaint. My feelings are that Warpaint grabs you and pulls you in, while Equipoise seduces you slowly. It takes a few listens for the magic to have its effect, and I like that kind of album. When I got the Harvest Moon album from Neil Young, I loved it at once and listened a lot - for two weeks. Now I hardly play it anymore! Equipoise, on the other hand, reveals its charms slowly, and I know I'll still be discovering new rushes three months from now! By the way, Warpaint was/is complex enough to remain permanently interesting as well, it is just bolder. God, I love great music! I'll have to look up some of the other artists I'm hearing about here! I have the Susanne Vega album (great! I LOVE "In Liverpool"!!!), and kd's "Ingenue". I heard some Belly on XPN and want to look into that (great name!)... Well, that's my post for tonight! Thanks everybody for this amazing interectonet, esp. Jessica. Thanks to you all for being so open-minded and downright pleasant. I know I've seen many of you; I was at the concerts in Philly and many of you were up front at the Big Concert. At the Little Concert I got to go backstage after the abbreviated show to a slightly disconsolate Happy and some of you were there as well, but that's another story. Anyway, peace to all, and may Happy music quench your ear's thirst! Bob Lovejoy ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 16 Feb 93 15:13:05 EST Subject: Equipose & more (or Snail Mail hits a new low!) Well, I've finally joined the equi-endowed-caste (after leaving the equi-less-caste)! I like what I hear! Of course, I can't really give any really comments yet, because I spent the weekend listening to five Happy CDs (Rhodes I & II, Ecto, Rearmament, &, of course, Equipoise). I'll probably give a full commentary next week after I've had a chance to listen more thoroughly. One piece of frustration. I received my little three CD package on Saturday. But I found out that it was actually delivered on Saturday, but the mail carrier forgot to take it out of the truck and then left it at the post office until Saturday. How did I find this out, because I got a note about a parcel to pick-up! I noticed the parcel had a first delivery note dated for 2/8/93. I asked and then found out that they had had it all that time! Frustration city! I could have been listening almost a week earlier! Que sera, sera. - Michael B. ("I need to buy. I need comsumption. It's just like being in love!" - The Slits) ======================================================================== Date: 16 Feb 1993 15:54:27 -0500 (EST) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: More stuff... Well, I finally got my signed copy of Equipoise last Friday! :) Unfortunately, I was only able to listen to it ONCE this weekend. Too much life getting in the way... My initial impression is that nothing jumps out at me, like "Feed The Fire" did on Warpaint. I'm sure my opinion will change, once I've absorbed Equi into my soul. :) I have to agree Angelos about "overproduction". Not that Equi is overproduced, just that there is a "wall of sound" element to it that is A LOT different from the early stuff. At this point in time, I really like the sparce feeling of the early albums. Just Happy's voice and a guitar sound great! :) And, like MJM, I've gotten that strange message from the postmaster at Rutgers after I post a note. Any ideas? Back to work... John ======================================================================== From: depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 16:29:48 EST Subject: legendary pink dots There is a mailing list devoted to legendary pink dots, edward ka spel, tear garden, and other spinoffs, collaborations, and similarly inspired works of music. The site has just *moved* to mcgill, and I am the moderator now. To subscribe, send e-mail to cloud-zero-request@cs.mcgill.ca I know there are a few goths out there on ecto who like "angst-ridden college pretentiousness" as much as I do... So here the the contact zone.... We return you now to your regularly schedule fuzzy blue mailing list. -- | Alan Ezust depeche@cs.mcgill.ca McGill University Computer Science | |------------------------ Montreal, Quebec, Canada --------------------------| Chew your gum and close your eyes and nothing can annoy you. - E.KaSpel , I felt very isolated, because I was living in a house of white-supremacist homophobes, and these folks talk about almost nothing else but how "we should've killed all the blacks while we had the chance" and "those gays are all screwed in the head." But what made it worse was that the music they ALWAYS played in the house was either Elton John or Phil Collins, and I hate both of them with a passion (especially now, since my strongest associations are with those bad ol' days). I find it so funny that a singer who is so popular among these redneck hillbillies is bi!!! Anyway, I thought it was funny... T minus 3 days and counting, and I'm off to boston, where I *hope* I can find at least 2 copies of Equipose at Tower records... -- | Alan Ezust depeche@cs.mcgill.ca McGill University Computer Science | |------------------------ Montreal, Quebec, Canada --------------------------| Chew your gum and close your eyes and nothing can annoy you. - E.KaSpel ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 15:05:53 CST From: Subject: On stuff I read in magazines and email lists The March issue of _Alternative Press_ has a short feature on the Psychoweld- ers, which notes that the _Inertia_ album is about to be released on the City Spark label. The same issue gives a good review to Belly's _Star_, and carries a feature on said band. In the back of the book, there is reproduced a set of top-50 charts from _Rockpool_ magazine, below which it gives that publication's address to which records wishing consideration for review or charting should be sent. Do H&K know about _Rockpool_? I think they should. That connoisseur of lower-case palindromes :-), mjm, writes: >Mitch, that bottomless well of information, says: >> WDCB in the west suburbs of Chicago (audible hardly anywhere else on >> 90.9 FM) runs _Mountain Stage_ on Tuesday afternoons, should anyone be >> passing thru those parts then. > >Which Western Suburbs are we talking about here? North or South? >And do you have a time on this? WDCB is in Glen Ellyn, which is actually more or less due west of the city. I've sort of been able to get it on visits to Oak Park, which experts on the geography of metropolitan Chicago may recognize as being more or less due east of Glen Ellyn. Receivers at least the size of Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine may have a fighting chance of picking it up in other parts of town. I don't remember if it starts at 2 or 3 in the afternoon. Mike's allusion to wells of information has, for some reason, made the follow- ing excerpt from a .sig posted to the comp-academic-freedom-talk mailing list seem to me to be appropriate to share with you all at this particular time: >[1] Opinions are mine, not my employer's, except when we agree. >[2] Having a WELL account should not be construed as a permanent disability. >[3] Email to the above; flames to alt.fan.amy-fisher. Mike makes one additional comment that intrigued me: >(does *anybody* know what the F%$^$%# I'm talking >about); Then I'm not the only one of us who wonders such things about his writing? Interesting :-). I took yesterday afternoon off from ecto to take in the Music Box's President's Day matinee of _Rain Without Thunder_, and I enthusiastically second everything Anthony said about it. On the lighter side, en route to the cinema I noticed the Happy Sushi restau- rant out the window of the Clark Street bus. Looks like the ecto industrial empire has been trumped when it comes to breaking into the Japanese resrtaurant game :-). Two things seem to have become trendy in these pages the last couple of days: overt expressions of reassurance (Skaludy's to me, and Neile's to Vickie), and self-disclosures WRT the nature of one's filing system (Jeff's). Let me now hop on the bandwagons by reassuring Jeff that I can easily top his system for sheer weirdness :-). I have been a serious recording buyer more or less con- tinuously since 10/10/87 (one of those dates that stick in the consciousness, sort of like 12/7/41 :-) ), and discontinuously at varying points in historic time before that. After I first listened to the bunch of cassettes I bought on that date, I replaced them in the plastic sack in which Rose Records' cashie r had packed them, and put the latter down on an available flat surface. The next set of titles I bought soon became ensconced next to the first. The rest is history. Today, things remain in more or less the same place as before, though the arrangement naturally changes somewhat when I have to sift through the jumble to find something in the middle, which then is typically replaced toward the top. The secondary gain of this (non)arrangement is that from time to time, I am utterly thwarted when it comes to finding something, which gives me an incentive to get it on CD--thereby treating myself to better sound qualit y than I had enjoyed before for the same music :-). But seriously folks: a more significant lesson to be learned from Jeff's saga, most specifically his dilemma in classifying Happy, is the same point that Angelos made at greater length later on: Happy's music is replete with what specialists in sociological theory call "emergent properties." Which is to say that much about it does not have clearly discernable roots in any of its antecedents--in the last analysis, it is, irreducibly, itself. Doug observed: >As Mitch >noted, the infamous Chicago St Valentine's Day massacre happened on my >birthday in 1929, but that's the _most_ interesting thing that's happened on >February 14th. A very boring day in history (at least until 1956. :) ). I know the feeling. The Bastille was stormed on my birthday in 1789, but not much else did until 1952 :-). Call it strange reasoning if you must, but I observed the bicentennial of that historic event by pulling my recordings of Joni Mitchell's "In France They Kiss On Main Street" and Deborah Harry's "Frenc h Kissing in the USA" out of their random niches and listening to them. By my birthday last year, it became problematic to find them through three years o f new acquisitions, so I contented myself with knocking back a few Pernods at the bar of a downtown French restaurant. Man does not live by recorded sound alone :-). Meredith, _inter alia_, may be interested to learn that Bela Fleck will be doing the guest shot on NPR's _Jazz Set_ next week. WBEZ runs it from 4-5 AM early Tuesday morning/late Monday night, depending on your _weltanschauung_. Hopefully, the station in Meredith's community runs it at a more reasonable hour. Off to slog through whatever fraction of the snow originally predicted for today actually came down, as I try to think of more wry observations to make about life on ecto :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 13:06:24 +1000 From: GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@bhpmelmsm.bhp.bhpmel04.telememo.au Subject: Happy Weather Doug sez.. >By the way, I hope you didn't have to chip any ice off this message to read >it. It's damned cold this morning: -9degF (-23degC). (I know. There's >probably some Ectophile saying, "-9degF! I wish it were -9degF, so I could go >outside and bask in the warm weather!" :) ) I don't know about that but I'm sure that Martain, Chris and myself would have LOVED the cold weather about two weeks back! It was 38 to 40degC (100 to 104degF) for one solid week here in Wollongong, I beleive it was the same in Perth BUT Adeliade got temps of over 43degC (110degF) for that week!! Poor Chris how did you take that?? ======================================================================== Graham Dombkins GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@BHPMELMSM.BHP.bhpmel04.telememo.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Hello Earth!! hello Earth..." - KT "I'm out chasing nuns in the yard..." - TA Space for undecided Happy quote. - HR ======================================================================== ======================================================================== Subject: Re: On stuff I read in magazines and email lists Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 18:29:47 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Mitch talks about various things among which the Psychowelders.... Since I have absolutely no filing skills, I just pile everything up I have lost their address... [anyone who has seen my apartment notices the empty filing cabinet siting next to my desk, and a box of folders from my old apartment that is unopened which contains important things like phone bills from 1987 when I came to this country, while my office space at this point consists of a X-terminal hidden between piles of research papers, tapes, and journals (I can't even think of what will happen in a couple of weeks when I start writing my thesis :)] [that was a huge parenthesis btw]. Well speaking of the Psychowelders, *would someone please e-mail me Rhondda Francis's address* so that I can send her a polite letter reminding her of the basic business custom to deliver promised goods upon receipt of payment. I ordered a CD and T-shirt in October. The check was cashed a week later. The CD arrived in December[?] and the T-shirt is nowhere to be seen. In other words, I am pissed off. Angelos ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Happy Weather Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 12:07:26 +1100 (EST) First of all *****IT'S HERE*****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES, two weeks and one day is all that it took for my Equipoise to arrive, pretty cool huh! I only had a chance to listen to it briefly, but it sounds very promising. I'll write more when I've listened to it properly. That really made my morning. I'd just left to go to uni, when I checked the mailbox out of habit and hidden under the local rag and some political crap (ah federal elections - what joy, what fun) was a small cardboard package. My heart raced as I dragged it out to find the irrefutable imprint 'Aural Gratification' on the outside. Needless to say my departure was delayed just a little *:). More later ... Graham writes ... > > Doug sez.. > >By the way, I hope you didn't have to chip any ice off this message to read > >it. It's damned cold this morning: -9degF (-23degC). (I know. There's > >probably some Ectophile saying, "-9degF! I wish it were -9degF, so I could go > >outside and bask in the warm weather!" :) ) > > I don't know about that but I'm sure that Martain, Chris and myself would > have LOVED the cold weather about two weeks back! It was 38 to 40degC (100 to > 104degF) for one solid week here in Wollongong, I beleive it was the same in > Perth BUT Adeliade got temps of over 43degC (110degF) for that week!! Poor > Chris how did you take that?? > Well, fortunately I can answer that because we had the same weather in Melbourne (did you think I lived in Adelaide ?). It was **HOT**. I don't know if anyone else here has experienced that kind of weather, but we get it occasionally here in Melbourne. You can't go outside for the searing heat (well you can, just you don't _like_ to *:) ), you can't do any proper work ... all you can do is sit around and wish you had air conditioning while your fan blows all the hot air into your face. *:). I feel for people who live in places like Mount Tom Price in northern Western Australia (I had some family who used to live there), where that kind of thing is commonplace. (Like mid-30s is 'nice' weather!) I played tennis on one day that was 38. The forecast was for mid twenties (nice mild weather) when we booked the court. We only lasted half an hour *:). The weather's nice now, and I hope it's good on Friday .... ONLY TWO DAYS TO GO TO WOMADELAIDE ... the anticipation is killing me. It's much different to the Equipoise anticipation, because I didn't know when that was coming. I know exactly when I'm gonna get to see one of the best musicians of all time, along with all this other great music at the same time. This must be heaven .... *:) *:) Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 22:11:05 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Interesting musicians I found Hi Ron! > Recent perusal of the used bin at Rhino in Santa Monica came up with > Connie Champagne's LA STRADA, including lounge-like versions of Iggy > Pop's "Shades' and Lou Reed's "All Tomorrow's Parties", as well as > standards like "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" and "Frenchette." It's uneven, but I like it. Do you know anything about her? Or perhaps when she might be coming out with a new album? Vickie ps, I know, I'm always delayed. :-) ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 22:58:00 EDT Subject: Hello Possums! Sorry for the title, my wife is a fan of Dame Edna's, what can I say? Angelos, Happy's mention in Pulse as a dance album happened because the dance music editor is a friend of Happy's manager Susanne White and felt the album was so good it HAD to be mentioned, as no one else did! (Wish I could quote from you folks with those >>>s along the side!) It sure is hard to categorize Happy's music. Here in Cherry Hill, NJ, Tower Records has her in the folk section! Happy's music transcends categorization, other than "good music"! As I mentioned earlier, Equipoise sure keeps growing on you. Distant at first, it unleashes its subtleties in small doses. Before you know, you're hopelessly addicted! But those unwilling to get by the first listen, those raised on musical pablum will probably never grok this album. It's kind of like a Joseph Conrad novel; the first 100 pages are an effort, then all of a sudden you can't put it down. Well, that's a poor analogy, but it is an analogy anyway ! My favortite song on the album right now is I Say. With its profound progression, lilting bass, and outstanding lyric it's a true goosebump generator. Haven't heard much mention of it on the board so: there it is! One of my other fave Hapsongs Scarce in Mention is Til the Dawn Breaks. A real force of nature, that one. We know all her songs are at least good, else we wouldn't be here. I'd just like to close tonight by sending my thanks to Jessica and everyone involved in this amazing community for providing a global forum for Happy's fans. We are small in comparison to Superstar fans, but boy what kind minds here. I get the digest so I don't know what Vickie wrote, but the response was touching. You're an atypical bunch of humans, you ectophiles, and I wish there were more in this world like yourselves. Vickie, whatever happened, stay with us! Your posts have always been wonderous! See you all later! Bob Lovejoy "I steppie in between the molecules to get me a better look at you!" HR ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 23:07:32 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: What to see in Chicago Mr. Not-duffers-at-all writes: > It looks as though I may be faced with a long stopover in Chicago on > my way home from a business trip on Saturday 27th February. Depending > on how things go it may be anything from 3.5 hours (in which case it's > probably not worth leaving the airport) up to 27 hours (i.e. I may > have to spend Friday night in Chicago). We've got a hide-a-bed, if you don't mind cats'n'Kate staring at you all night long! > What I'd like to know is: what are the things a limey tourist ought to > see & do on a flying visit to the city? Visit us. > What 'sights' shouldn't one > miss, and where are they relative to the airport? Our house. Not too far. > Where are the good > places to eat? The pizza place up the street. (We don't cook, but we make a mean peanut butter & jelly sandwich!) > Best record shops? Our shelves. > Bars? Claudia! I need those recipes for all those Fuzzy Blue Drinks! > Any major art galleries? 1627 W. Farwell, #2N (aka Gaffa Central) > Please excuse my ignorance of your, doubtless wonderful, city but I'm > afraid I am totally clue-less about Chicago, and if I can't make use > of this stop-over there is a great likelyhood I shall spend an entire > week in the States (my first visit there) seeing nothing other than > airport lounges, hotel rooms, and Northern Telecom offices! We won't let that happen! > I expect to be leaving Chicago on a flight scheduled at either 18:05 or > 20:35 on Saturday evening. Well, make it the longer one if at all possible. We'll take care of you. I'm so excited! Keep us updated. We'll meet you at the airport and show you the cool thing. (And if you want to see some of the city, I suppose we can do that too. It's here, & it's big. There's a nice lake too.) Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)