Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #440 ecto, Number 440 Monday, 15 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Bob Finds The Internet... Kate's mentor's album and other stories equipoisoning the pigeons bouncers and free love cohabitants, dreaming, no work lurker no more getting better all the time Cocteau Twins 2 little things I love about it a movie review gabrielle He will Come/The Flight writing samples could be Dreaming yet Ectophiles Guide & an expert (*cough*) speaks 'poise' The battle of the -inas and other stories ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 22:25:00 EDT Subject: Bob Finds The Internet... Hello, Ectonians! First off, I should like to apologize to the rest of the international Ectophelian Community for any representation of a slight owing to my calling Ecto a US and Australian dominion. As it turns out, the mighty Internet (patent pending) (?) is deeper and stronger and farther-reaching than my own small mind! To all the people throughout the world tuned in to this amazing network, this global village, this scepter'd isle .. er .. well, anyway, sorry! Vickie: Hello! What a wonderful story about your meeting H&K. Ectosynchratic as it is, it is wonderful how people on this planet interact sometimes! BTW, a kind soul named Meredith Tarr (who helped me find my way here) sent me a tape of your interview with Happy. What a great rapport! She also sent a 5th generation copy of the Bartlett-Rhodes demo, and suggested that you may have a better sounding copy. I can trade a copy of Helen Leicht's WXPN interview made on the day she released her back catalog on CD, but I have a feeling Ectophiles in general are way ahead of me on things like this. It's the same interview I gave Happy and Kevin to listen to on the train back to Albany when I met them at my own ectosynchratic experience! I have to tell you, though, that your interview is a bit better, as you let Happy talk more...! By the way, Vickie, your show sounds great! Wish we could pick it up here. We are fortunate to have WXPN, but I have to tell you all that I'm not hearing Equipoise as much as I'd like to on that station! Many have commented here that Equipoise is not as dramatic as Warpaint. My feelings are that Warpaint grabs you and pulls you in, while Equipoise seduces you slowly. It takes a few listens for the magic to have its effect, and I like that kind of album. When I got the Harvest Moon album from Neil Young, I loved it at once and listened a lot - for two weeks. Now I hardly play it anymore! Equipoise, on the other hand, reveals its charms slowly, and I know I'll still be discovering new rushes three months from now! By the way, Warpaint was/is complex enough to remain permanently interesting as well, it is just bolder. God, I love great music! I'll have to look up some of the other artists I'm hearing about here! I have the Susanne Vega album (great! I LOVE "In Liverpool"!!!), and kd's "Ingenue". I heard some Belly on XPN and want to look into that (great name!)... Well, that's my post for tonight! Thanks everybody for this amazing interectonet, esp. Jessica. Thanks to you all for being so open-minded and downright pleasant. I know I've seen many of you; I was at the concerts in Philly and many of you were up front at the Big Concert. At the Little Concert I got to go backstage after the abbreviated show to a slightly disconsolate Happy and some of you were there as well, but that's another story. Anyway, peace to all, and may Happy music quench your ear's thirst! Bob Lovejoy ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Bob Finds The Internet... Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 12:58:51 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, Bob the ecto-video-meister writes: >Many have commented here that Equipoise is not as dramatic as >Warpaint. My feelings are that Warpaint grabs you and pulls you in, >while Equipoise seduces you slowly. It takes a few listens for the >magic to have its effect, and I like that kind of album. Exactly! The seduction is almost never complete, either. I have been equipoised now for more than a week, and am pleased to say that I am still surprised by some passages in the songs that I hadn't *really* heard before. For example the german-gargle-voize that appears almost half way through 'Cohabitants' took me by surprised as I was blasting it last night. I have listened to the song countless times, but only last night heard that part. And there were some other instances as well! But then again, +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 11:39:15 CST From: Stylistically bizarre writing made easy Subject: Kate's mentor's album and other stories Turns out that the album I alluded to the other day, on which KaTe sang backup, was indeed Roy Harper's _Once_ (IRS, 1990). She does this on the title track, but I don't think this would be obvious to anyone if the booklet didn't list it. The discussion of _Smells Like Truth_ last week inspired me to play it again, and I learned something that everybody else in these pages no doubt already knows, namely that Eddi Reader sings backup on a couple of tracks. I assume that the Eddi thread awhile back (which I didn't read carefully at the time) mentioned this. A final comment _in re_ Valentine's day: I wonder how many local ectophiles know that Tower on Clark is only a block or so away from the most famous event to occur on that date in years, to wit, Al Capone's legendary massacre of a number of his competitors on that site (not Tower, but in the next block) in 1929. WRT Martin seemingly being driven to distraction by my subjective sense or allusions thereto: it's merely a stipulation that much of the verbal diarrhea that I issue forth to all of you is merely My Humble Opinion, Which I Value Highly (ah there, Dick Buckley) as opposed to some sort of received truth. Then, too, the more I do things like pay the shipping on an Equipoise CD mail order to get it earlier than if I waited for the stores to carry it, the quick- er I use up my Objective Cents, which forces me to rely more on my subjective ones :-). The sight of the Three Happiness restaurant in Chinatown from the window of the L the other day has gotten me to wondering: what is the risk of getting sued for obfuscatory trade dress practices, were the ecto world's industrial buccan- eers to bring the THREE HAPPYNESS chain of franchised Chinese restaurants into the world? Mitch ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 13:00:10 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: equipoisoning the pigeons A, just more tedious ramblings about the new one: > Taping it for the walkman this morning I noticed a curious fact. The > song "Closer" is in the exact dead centre of the album, at least > according to the timings displayed by my CD player. There's 28:03 > before it and 28:03 afterwards. Bearing in mind the theme of balance > in the title and the artwork, does anybody believe that this is > coincidence? Well, I'm sure people have pointed this out already but if you look at the way she wrote out the song names, you get an hourglass, roughly: ___ /XXXX XXXX\ \XXXX XXXX/ \XXX/ |X| /XXX\ /XXXX XXXX\ \XXXX___XXXX/ Oh, forgot to mention: I love Closer also. And who is Gabrielle? -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 13:11:40 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: bouncers and free love Everytime I send something to Ecto, I get 2 barfo mailer messages, one of which has this list... Jessica, maybe you can make heads or tails of this... call it in the air: 421 meshugge.media.mit.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user open with meshugge.media.mit.edu 421 cs.sfu.ca.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user open with cs.sfu.ca 421 ukc.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user open with sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk 550 adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de.tcp... 550 Host unknown 550 karl@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Karl Dotzek)... Host unknown 421 sol.hc.ti.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user open with lobby.ti.com Um, I checked the Two Nice Girls CD at home and Laurie Freelove is not mentioned anywhere that I could see (even in the Thanks column). So when was she with this band? The CD I have is Chloe Liked Olivia. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 13:25:09 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: cohabitants, dreaming, no work Man, it seems everytime I get through 1 ecto digest, 2 new ones arrive!!!!! Needless to say, I am not getting much work done at work today ::---:: (the new happy symbol based on the hourglass ordering of her songs on her album). Mitch, that bottomless well of information, says: > WDCB in the west suburbs of Chicago (audible hardly anywhere else on > 90.9 FM) runs _Mountain Stage_ on Tuesday afternoons, should anyone be > passing thru those parts then. Which Western Suburbs are we talking about here? North or South? And do you have a time on this? Cohabitants sounds *alot* better through earphones... I am starting to like it too. I agree with meth that phones are the way to go with this album.... similar to Kate in this way (not that I do it often, but everyone here should know that Dreaming thru phones is other-worldly). No, this is not Happy's Dreaming... it is still too restrained. Could she be less restrained... dunno. I'm not so sure that she could, seeing as the basis for her songs seem so focussed on mental images and (yes, still) demons. Hmmm, will she ever break out of this? Equipoise *sounds* less caught up in this stuff (thankfully) but lyrically it sure looks like she's still thinkin' about monsters an awful lot of the time. I reverse my expendable opinion... even Play the Game is pretty good, esp. through phones. Yup... it's infinite tape loop of equipoise for me today... nice way to work (sic). -stillhappyabouthappymjm ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 1993 12:53:10 -0600 From: "Julianne Dunphy" Subject: lurker no more lurker no more Hi all! I've been on the ecto mailing list since December when I got _Ecto_ and _Warpaint_ and I decided it is time I finally posted to say hi and sort of introduce myself. Ok, so I'm addicted to Happy. Good to get that off my chest. Anyway, my name is Julianne and I just graduated from U of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana (affectionally known by few as Shampoo-banana). I'm working at the University until I get to grad school in summer or fall. The point is: I've been travelling around visiting various grad schools and I wondered if anyone knows about sources of Happy CD's (I still have a couple to get) in these towns. I'm visiting Tucson, AZ and Davis, CA (and prolly SF) in March. Any suggestions about cool stores in general at these locations would be greatly appreciated!!! By the way, "Mother Sea" first caught my attention too! Wow! Julianne ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 13:43:18 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: getting better all the time Jeffy the Syrinx sez: > hurts its potential). At least Happy's not out of control like she was > with the full-length version of "The Chase". HERESY! The Chase is still one of my all time favorite Happy tunes, *despite* the fact that it ends *too* *early*. I wish she had played a little longer, like another 2 or 3 minutes. This is just such a great song (man, I'm starting to sound like a maniac here) that I threw it on the end of my Equipoise tape.... just because I was reminded of it by Mother Sea... if you listen closely, the end part of the chorus borrows, in voice and feel and emotion and love from The Chase... it is such a clear allusion, whether Happy meant it or not, it is like a glimpse into the past. Beautiful. If you don't hear this, come by my place and I'll point it out for you ::---:: With every cycle thru this album just gets better and better... -rehappyfiedmjm ======================================================================== From: bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Michael Bowman) Subject: Cocteau Twins Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 9:42:56 PST Thanks for the answers to my Cocteau Twins question. It looks like I want to get the Capitol CDs plus the box set. Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 13:53:21 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: 2 little things I love about it In The Flight, the little "string" (not sure if it's really strings or just synth, probly the latter) segue in the chorus to a chord change (does *anybody* know what the F%$^$%# I'm talking about); and the end of I Say (the ooh way ooh way or la la la la or however that goes--- very catchy). Jeffo reveals: > And, there _is_ a Pink Floyd connection in there--Harper sang the lead > on Floyd's "Have a Cigar", from their _Wish You Were Here_ album (which > was the album being recorded when Gilmour first started getting EMI > hooked on KaTe). Who would have guessed? I always just thought it was Gilmour or Waters. This is pretty cool. I'd still like to hear Harper's version of Another Day, since I like the Bush/Grabriel version so much. (yes, I have the TMC version: interesting, but no cigar ::---::) -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 14:46:11 EST From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: a movie review I went to Rain Without Thunder last night and wrote a brief review for a friend, which seemed sufficiently important to post more widely. This s probably stretching the non-Happy elements of ecto to the extreme, so I apologise to anyone who objects, however the movie does concern some topics that have come up in ecto before now. Rain Without Thunder is set in the year 2048 and is made in a psuedo documentary style. Background is that various pro-life legislation has been passed and abortions have been made illegal, so that women are actually prosecuted and jailed for terminating a pregnency. Consequently wealthy women go abroad to have abortions while minorities and the poorer classes are caught and charged. The documentary covers the case of a woman who was the first person charged under a new "fetal kidnapping" law which makes it possible to charge her for having an abortion abroad. It looks at the effect that her arrest, and the arrest of her mother who accompanyed her, has on them and their family, and also at environment in which these laws arose. The film seems to be fairly low budget, but well made adn extremely well acted. More to the point it's made in a way that makes it seem extremely plausible, and consequently rather disturbing. Much of the film is concerned with how women's rights have been wittled away gradually, a step at a time, so that this situation arose, and about the dangers of people allowing their rights to be gradually eroded. In some ways, the most significant message of the film isn't pro-choice, which is the one that's caused alot of controversy around it, but is a more general one about how such slow and insiduous changes can be allowed to happen. This definitely seems like a necessary film, which you should go and see, and get as many other people as you can to see with you. (it shouldn't lose too much through being seen on video though). Ob-Happy: Equipoise in now in stock in UPenn's on-campus CD store (for $11.98 member price, which I think is slightly cheaper than elsewhere). They should have the new Mouth Music album in tomorrow, so I think I'll go and buy both at the same time. That way I can put them on a credit card and avoid paying until next month, when I should have some money again. Weird cover though.... -Anthony ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 14:37:51 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: gabrielle Jess scribes: >I am married. That was very very frightening for him. (it is this >aspect that my poem is about). He didn't tihnk he could handle Aww, come on, Jessica, all that build up and *no* *poem* at the bottom. If you post your poem, I promise to post mine (and let people try to figure this one out). -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 12:55:15 CST From: kiri Subject: He will Come/The Flight some people mentioned tonal discrepancies in Happys singing in The Flight I believe. Well my theory is that He will Come is sung in a very feminine way, while the Flight is sung in a more masculine way.... I don't know whether she was trying to achieve this or not, but that's how I view the differences in vocal sound between the two songs. It's like she is singing in the voice of Gabrielle in the first, and in the voice of the vampire in the second. I did get the album....I have listened to it several times and will post impressions shortly... Was there any doubt I would love it though? :) kIrI ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 14:57:08 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: writing samples Vickie opines: > education, there's no way I could be a real writer. I'm always certain > that everytime I post I cause chuckles and chortles with my grammar, > slang, sentence structure, spelling and punctuation. And that's from > people who *like* me. I can't imagine what people who don't know me Sorry, Vickie, this is OFFENSIVE. You can put yourself down all you want in your room, but you come out there's no way you're gonna get away with it. My (former) girlfriend used to do this to herself *all* the time: "I'm just a big stupid" was one of her very favorite lines, even though she knew she wasn't. I hate it patently when intelligent, talented, thoughtful, purposeful people denegrate their abilities, talents, selves. I agree with whoever said you should make your posts into a book... it is tremendous writing... you are a fine writer, *and* you always say interesting things. Re: sparseness --- Um, I beg to disagree. If you want sparse happy arrangements, start at Vol 1 and follow it up to Warpaint. Equipoise is by *far* the *least* sparse sound Happy has produced to date, IMO. In fact, to these ears, it sounds not sparse at all... but rather right on. In fact, much better on this account than Warpaint, where the percussion figured far more prominently and noticeably. EQP is smooth and lush in comparison. Very professional sounding. -mjm ======================================================================== Subject: Re: getting better all the time Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 15:22:31 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >Jeffy the Syrinx sez: >> hurts its potential). At least Happy's not out of control like she was >> with the full-length version of "The Chase". Mike replies: >HERESY! The Chase is still one of my all time favorite Happy tunes, >*despite* the fact that it ends *too* *early*. Gack. I should have known this would happen. I, too, love "The Chase." When I first got Volume II I thought it was too long, but when I got to it in the transcription project, I realized that it _worked_. I love the entire thing, in its 8 minute glory. I think the shortened version on the CD is too short. My comment was in reference to the mini-story about the recording of the song, which if I recall, had something to do with Happy just sort of losing control and going on and on and on. >I wish she had played a little longer, like another 2 or 3 minutes. Are you talking about the tape or CD version? As I recall, the tape version has about 3 minutes more... I finally made a tape of _Equipoise_ on a 100 minute tape. I got through "Play the Game" on side one, and put "Mother Sea" and "I Say" on the back. I filled in the other 40 minutes with 2-3 songs from each of the 1st5. It was hell picking the songs and I couldn't fit everything I wanted to. As much as I like "The Chase", there was no way I would have squandered space on it, just because I wanted a sampler. Oh...the tracks I *did* pick? Given In Possessed The Wretches Gone Awry Let Me Know, Love No One Here Crystal Orbs Be Careful What You Say Would That I Could Project 499 Lay Me Down To Live In Your World I think "Rearmament" was the hardest from which to pick two, and I finally decided that the tape should have at least one of the bonus tracks. I really wanted to include "Baby Don't Go," amongst others. Maybe next time Jeff ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 15:15:53 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: could be Dreaming yet Closer -- this is the closest (NPI) Happy has gotten so far to approaching a wild Kate song on Dreaming (e.g. POtP or LIO). She really lets go on this one, esp. on the last chorus when she shrieks over the basic harmonies (which, BTW, I absolutely love). I can say only one thing: S H R I E K MM OO RR EE! God what a tremendous song (esp. with phones!). Steve V (I think) writes: > I'm really beginning to like "Closer". In some ways the songs on > _Equipoise_ also seem less emotionally intense than earlier Happy > songs, and "Closer" is the most intense song on the big E. Yes, and perhaps this is why I like it so much. I find that listening to stuff like Murder off of Warpaint just depresses me and I don't get any urge to listen to it (to boot, whenever I give it a try after a long time of avoiding it, it still ends up the same). EQP is so much more open, not quite euphoric, but way more upbeat. Another thing about EQP: the hooks/melodies/musical lines are to me much more complete in construction and lack some of the heaviness or lack of fitting that some earlier stuff has. E.g. the song Warpaint (flame away, if you will). The chorus I'll grant you is great, but the verse-melody that leads up to the really good chorus is... well... it almost sounds to me like she wrote the chorus and then just threw some melody together to lead up to it (I know I've done this is songwriting from time to time... it's a laziness). Now, this is mere specultaion, of course, maybe Happy (and others) think the opening melody is fine in Warpaint, but it seems like a lot of unnec. gunk to get through to get to the good chorus (I am not implicating the lyrics here, BTW... I think they are fine and show definite effort). IN CONTRAST, Equipoise has no such gaps of any kind.... Closer, for e.g.(there are many examples) has a sensational chorus melody, but also has a fine, connected, "logical" if you will lead up. I think the songwriting on EQP is just a few steps of maturity, a few levels *better* than Warpaint. For me, the songs fit together internally and externally in a much more sensorily pleasing -- satisfying -- way. "It's Ectoriffic and Equipurposeful!" -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 11:45:27 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Ectophiles Guide & an expert (*cough*) speaks Since I have heard some encouraging words about _An Ectophiles Guide to Good Music_ I won't despair so quickly, but will keep the idea on the back burner until we hear more about the possible indexing program, and/or someone has an inspiration or has the time to volunteer slave labour. If the truth be told, I don't have time to pursue the idea right now either, alas. At least the idea is out there in the ether now and we can all think about it for a while. Or not. ;) Vickie, as someone who writes, well, not for a living, but writes, and as someone who does supplement her income by editing (a book that I edited has just been bought by Oxford University Press so I guess that does give me *some* authority in this field), and as the (quite humble, trust me) possessor of both a B.A. and an M.F.A. in writing, and as a former teacher of English composition to college freshman (save our souls), and as the present instructor of various writing workshops for classes at the university that now provides my main source of income (though my main function there is not as writer or editor), all of which I hope gives me some claim to expertise (though I'm certain this rambling sentence does NOT) I do not hesitate to tell you that despite what you might think you do write well. Quite well. Better than 90% of the freshmen I used to teach and better than 75% of the graduate students I now occasionally put through their paces. The sad truth is that a college degree isn't quite the education that we would wish it were, and in this country at least doesn't guarantee that a bachelor's degree means the person who acquired can communicate or even think any better than the average person with common sense and who gives a shit enough to try to write well. Most of the people who pay me to edit their work have PhDs, whatever that means. Oh, yes, and whenever I can I avail myself of the services of the editor I live with (thanks, Jim). Now I'm drifting from my point, which is tedious. Anyway, Vickie, despite not having any formal "upper-level" education-- or perhaps partly because you've haven't--your writing is clear & strong and is something to be proud of. You'd ace your way out of any of my classes. I've never noticed any particular grammatical errors in your posts. If you ever have made any, they've been made invisible by the clarity of your writing and your ability to carry your reader along with your message. _Equipoise_ gets richer each time I listen to it, and even the songs I thought I might tire of only get more interesting to me. And the title is even fun to type. I like the way the vowels make my fingers move on the keyboard. _Equipoise_. Balanced even there. :) Hugs back, Vickie. And greetings to all the new members & lurkers who are speaking up now. I'm not usually so sentenious, but I needed to use all of my authority (!) to make the point that I was making. And there we have it. My two cats are lying in the sun and _Equipoise_ is playing once again. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Subject: Re: He will Come/The Flight Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 15:41:47 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu kIrI wRiTeS: >It's like she is singing >in the voice of Gabrielle in the first, and in the voice of >the vampire in the second. 'xactly! When I first told my sister about the diptych (and how it ties into the title of the album, and the cover photo, and....) I described it in just that way--"The first song is from the point of view of the woman, and the second song is from the point of view of the vampire." This isn't strictly true (in a narrative sense), but it still fits for me in a musical sense (the calm, cool guitar-based sound of "He Will Come" versus the frenetic synthiness of "The Flight") and in also in Happy's vocal delivery. Jeff ======================================================================== Subject: 'poise' Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 15:51:38 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu In a nice, long post, Neile mentioned how interesting it is to type the word _Equipoise_. I was just playing around with that (being the Mad Typist, I do this sort of thing) and have decided that I think the "eq" is a slight bit awkward, but the single word "poise" is quite possible the single most fun word to type that I've yet found (on QWERTY, of course; I think I'd have problems typing it on Dvorak...but maybe that's 'cause I'm about 500% faster on QWERTY...;-) I just annoyed the unix box I use by typing "poisepoisepoispoisepoisepoise" over and over again at the command prompt. You know, when you type the same word over and over for 256 characters and the computer just sort of sits there and tries to figure out what the hell you were talking about until you ^c, asking it to give up. Poisepoisepoisepoisepoisepoise. What a great word. Your fingers just flow across the keyboard. I know, I know...I get off on weird things. So sue me. ObHappy? Yeah, right... Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Fairies are the perfect people to do this | |(suffering Bad Grammar) | sort of work. Biologically, their upper | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | bodies are strong enough to wield a pickaxe...." | ======================================================================== Subject: Re: could be Dreaming yet Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 15:55:27 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Spoilers? Yep Mike (Mega-Poster of the day :) ) writes: >Closer -- this is the closest (NPI) Happy has gotten so far to > approaching a wild Kate song on Dreaming (e.g. POtP or > LIO). She really lets go on this one, esp. on the last chorus > when she shrieks over the basic harmonies (which, BTW, > I absolutely love). I can say only one thing: > S H R I E K MM OO RR EE! Errrrr, isn't that Kelly Bird who is letting loose near the end? > God what a tremendous song (esp. with phones!). Yep! Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 15:41:54 EST From: ksilver@startek.com (Keith Silver) Subject: The battle of the -inas and other stories >Seems like I'm rather lucky; as I recall, the first time I heard "No One Here" >I believe I was in the car and thus *knew* the sounds had to be on tape. ;-) My wife was also in a car the first time she heard it. Didn't stop her from looking behind the seat. (-: Keith ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)