Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #439 ecto, Number 439 Monday, 15 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Birthdays and Valentines Re: Misc. Albert! CLOSER TEMPORARY AND ETERNAL Stuff'n'such Happy Birthday Doug! Plings and things Re: Greetings from a fan! Equipoised! Impressions (no spoilers) ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Birthdays and Valentines Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 01:59:04 +0800 (WST) Beth writes: > Have a great day Doug! Yeah! What she said! And for all of you, enjoy the rest of your Valentine's Day. (We've already finished ours here, but I won't spoil it for the rest of you by telling you what happens. :-) Martin (listening right now to "Save Our Souls" recorded over the telephone all the way from Chicago... 8-P ) -- FIRST AID: Bruises Bruises usually occur when you are least expecting it. Someone says "Take that you Wally!" and before you know it there's a bruise right on top of your head. If you armed the best First Aid treatment is to spin around, like Luke Skywalker, and give your assailant a blast from your ray-gun, curling the lip slightly, like Jack Palance in The Magnificent Seven, as you note the expression of surprise, mingled with sudden intimations of mortality, steal across your assailant's face. -- From Dr. Fegg's Encyclopaedia of *All* World Knowledge. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 13:20:20 +1000 From: GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@bhpmelmsm.bhp.bhpmel04.telememo.au Subject: Re: Misc. Christopher sez... >Tom Baker was the best and always will be the best in my view. He made >the part his own, which made him a very hard act to follow. Peter >Davison (no 'd' *:) ) did a very good job I thought; I liked him too. >Jon Perwee (the one before Tom) was good as well, but neither of these >did the same for me as Tom. I haven't seen very much of the first two, >and can't remember Colin Baker. Sylvester McCoy was looking promising, >but I don't think we'll see any more of him. In fact, I don't think >we'll ever see any new Dr Who at all now. The BBC must have planned >this all really well. Anyway enough rambling ... My time to add a little to the Dr Who stream! I can remember watching from the very first Doctor's onward. There was a time in my house when our folks banned us from watching Dr Who since it was too scary and gave us nightmares :-) My favorite is Tom Baker, and for an assistant it had to be Leela. Anyway, last week I got to see a NEW Tom Baker Dr Who that had never been normally sceen before. It was the famous 'missing' episode written by Douglas Adams called 'Shada'. It was only ever half filmed and so Tom Baker narrated to missing bits (boy is he looking old now) ======================================================================== Graham Dombkins GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@BHPMELMSM.BHP.bhpmel04.telememo.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Hello Earth!! hello Earth..." - KT "I'm out chasing nuns in the yard..." - TA Space for undecided Happy quote. - HR ======================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 2:03:05 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Albert! WELCOME BACK!!! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 2:05:29 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: CLOSER Happy Rhodes Equipoise -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 6) CLOSER (5:03) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I was born with a penchant for sadness Now I can finally speak of the madness Oh you took from me my safety net Killed my hopes and made me your pet I'm closer than before I believed it could only get better But your ignorance loomed like the weather Oh you made breathing a nasty chore I ate your malice for ten years more I was crushed in the vice of your sickness Took the blows for your every weakness Oh you forbade me to love my mom Daddy begged me to keep things calm Closer, I'm closer, much closer than before All the fears of the babes lay upon me Every word volunteered for my army Oh sticks and stones thrown Shattered my bones I glued them back with rhythms and tones Reaching out for the ones who could save me Nervous pats on the head's all they gave me Oh where were you all when I was jailed I cried and pleaded, to no avail Closer, getting closer than I was before I'm closer, Much closer than before I stand before the fork I look from left to right I wait in partial pause And choose to use my sight I'm ready on my mark My heart is beating drums I make a run for it I'm getting closer, I'm closer, much closer than before Closer, I'm closer, much closer than before Percussion and Keys: H. Rhodes, Kevin Bartlett Additional Vocals: Kelly Bird (C)1993 Happy Rhodes -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 2:06:54 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: TEMPORARY AND ETERNAL Happy Rhodes Equipoise -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 7) TEMPORARY AND ETERNAL (4:48) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- He is broken, far from free Words were spoken, 'tween him and me "I had friends, yes, I was admired I'm so old now, feel so tired" Well he walks to the gate and he looks behind at life in rewind And wishes he had known these things while still alive still alive He can see reason in everything "Where do I go to get my wings" Going to fly She sees faces in her home Wonders why they (don't) leave her alone "You must know child, I am all here They think I'm failing, senile, I fear" Well she walks to the gate and she looks behind at life in rewind And wishes she had known these things while still alive still alive "I can see the purpose now and all I've learned All the roads and where they've turned I can see, I can see everything, the total truth I'm ready for another youth" Going to fly Guitar and Keys: H. Rhodes Percussion: Kevin Bartlett (C)1993 Happy Rhodes -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 2:15:59 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Stuff'n'such Thank you SteveF for the explaination of pommes frites, and for telling me what I should say if I ever get to a McDonalds in France! Wrt Dr Who, I can't *believe* I forgot about Sarah! Yes, I think she's my favorite. (I always wanted to do a video to the Genesis song "Me and Sarah Jane" using footage of Sarah from DH.) I never watched All _Creatures Great and Small_ so when Peter Davison appeared as the Doctor I'd never really seen him before and it was easy to see him as the Doctor. It's been so long since I watched any of the episodes, but "Castrovalva" (Davison's first) stands out in my mind as an excellent episode. It's hard to choose Tom Baker episodes. Some that pop into my mind as being favorites are "The Talons of Weng-Chaing" "The Face of Evil" (the first Leela), "Horror of Fang Rock", oh, I know there are so many more. The Public station in Kansas City put all the episodes of one "story" together without breaks or commercials and show a Dr Who "movie" every Friday night. We taped them all, but I ended up taping over many of them when I needed a videocassette for "Suspended In Gaffa". The station repeated the seasons over and over again so I always assumed I'd re-tape the ones I had taped over. Unfortunately (for my plans) the station finally got the rights to the earlier DHs and started from the very beginning, with Hartnell's "The Unearthly Child" and then we moved to Chicago, so I'm probably permanently missing those taaped-over shows. :-( **THANK YOU** John Sandoval, for the list of music on the Voyager record! I haven't started my list yet, but it's a great idea. Thanks to Angelos and JeffB for their lyrics. We're close to being done. I'll be posting "Closer" and "Temporary and Eternal" so the only ones we're missing are "Runners" and "Save Our Souls". Does anyone know what's up with Karl Dotzek? WELCOME BACK ALBERT!! Graham, in case you didn't get my hello, **HELLO**!! Thanks to SteveVanD, Jeff-with-the-long-black-hair and Dan for their votes of confidence wrt my writing. Maybe someday... It was nice talking to you Martin, it was my pleasure. I wish I could call everybody who still doesn't have Equipoise. I only chose Martin 'cause he's a 76-year old cello instructor and I thought one of his students might give him a heart attack before the CD comes :-). There's more, but later.. Vickie ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Happy Birthday Doug! Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 18:24:15 EST It's a little late, but Happy Birthday Doug!! It must be interesting having a birthday on Valentine's day. You'd have to examine any cards you get very carefully would you not ... ? *:) Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 2:47:25 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Stuff'n'such ChristoB writes: > It's easy for me to pick a favourite Tom Baker ... 'The Deadly Assassin'. > The one between Sarah and Leela when he was between companions. I believe > (although I'm not sure - there's bound to be someone here who does know) > that it's the only companionless Dr Who story. I also liked most of his > last season, especially 'Warriors Gate' - it had some fantastic moments in > it, and 'State of Decay'. 'Logopolis' is very memorable too. Hi, yeah those are good ones too, it's just been a long time since I've seen them. > > It was nice talking to you Martin, it was my pleasure. I wish I could > > call everybody who still doesn't have Equipoise. I only chose Martin > > 'cause he's a 76-year old cello instructor and I thought one of his > > students might give him a heart attack before the CD comes :-). > > > Huh ??? How many 76-year-old cello's are in his class, and what does > he teach them ... ? *;) (Excuse my not having any idea of what you're > on about and hence trying to make bizarre sense out of it even though > that's pretty difficult) :-) no problem. When Martin first joined Ecto, he said he was a 75-year old cello instructor and he had me, for one, believing that he really was! The truth came out, but he'll always be a 7*-year old cello instructor to me. :-) (at least, until he turns 80) Vickie ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 09:46:15 +0100 Subject: Plings and things Meredith writes: > woj isn't a big lyric listener... > > methinks the gentleman doth miss too much that way. There's too much good music around to waste time listening to lyrics :-) Hmm. Ok, revised statement: Lyrics are secondary. If the music doesn't snap, the song will never do anything for me. Lyrics are a bonus. [context switch] I was in London in January (I'm a UK-lover and techno-head, too, Mary :-), and went berzerk in HMV and Virgin. Not very clever, really, since their prices are only barely lower than in Norway, but still the assortment is different over there. I picked up a lot of Ecto and Gaffa recommendations, like Judie Tzuke (above average female pop), Mouth Music (very nice blend of Celtic and "modern" music) and Yothu Yindi (too little digeridoo! too much guitars!). Anyway, I was leafing briefly through the bargain boxes, and a very nice face caught my attention. Kristen Vigard, it said, and my interest was piqued, for that is a very Scandinavian name. The first track was called "Gnossiennes" (sp?), and I knew I had to buy it :-) It's a very interesting album, covering a lot of different styles (this may be both its strength and weakness). "Gnossiennes" is a curious mix of Gregorian chants, "Gnossiennes" of course, and recitation in German, French and English. Very interesting, and very well done. The other tracks range from pure blues (interestingly, there are no credits for the music on that one, I guess she thought the tune was too generic...) to funk and rock. It comes recommended by me. (To think that I would ever buy a good album for the ridiculous price of #3... ($5) You Americans don't know how well you're off :-) Anyway, I saw her name in Vickie's very extensive list of female artists, and wondered; does anyone here know more about her, whether she has released more albums etc. From the thank-yous it seems like my album is her debut. Kjetil T. (resents Warner Bros' throwing out Ice-T (loves parentheses)) ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Greetings from a fan! Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 22:57:46 -0800 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com Vickie writes: > >(I know who I would want to play me in a film though. I can't remember >her name, but she played the lead in _Enchanted April_, the lady who >started it all, not Miranda Richardson. Geez, what a depressing movie >that would be.) > I believe you mean Josie Lawrence, a wonderful British comic actress. While I'm at it, let me add my name to the list of people who don't believe you when you say you can't write, Vickie. The proof is in the posts. John Z. ======================================================================== Subject: Equipoised! Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 23:29:26 -0800 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com My copy arrived Saturday. I've only had time to listen to it once so far, but I like it a lot already; I'm definitely going to have to spend more time with it before I can discuss it properly. In my letter to AG to order the CD, I'd asked Happy to autograph it, mentioning how much I loved _Warpaint_ and signing off with a big 'Thank you!' (yeah, I gushed a little :). On the booklet, Happy wrote: No John Thank _You_! Happy Rhodes I love it. John Zimmer johnz@eaglet.rain.com ======================================================================== Date: 15 Feb 93 10:19:45 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Impressions (no spoilers) It seems people have stopped prefacing their posts with *SPOILERS*... This is OK with me now that I've had a weekend to digest a good chunk of the album and formulate a good chunk of opinion... *but* I would still highly recommend those of you who have not heard it yet, to STOP READING HERE, and people should at least mention in their Subject line that their post is Re: Equipoise. I know that from the 3 or four posts I just skimmed, I'm glad I didn't hear'em before, because I definitely disagree with some of them. So without further ado, here are my impressions. (Meredith has kindly provided with a spring board --- thanx meth, come to chicago!) ----- Angelos Kyrlidis sez: >I dunno, 'Runners' is a *very* catchy song. I can't get it out of my mind. woj: >me neither, but i don't particularly like it. i've been listening to >_equipoise_ a lot and i'm still not entirely overcome by it. i'll add >"out like a lamb" and "cohabitants" to my like list, but the rest of >the album is still pretty standard *musically* - which is how i judge >things for the most part since i'm not a big lyric listener. OK, I'm a terrible lyrics listener... there are still Kate Bush songs I could not quote a word from or give you a synopsis of, which I love anyways, just for the M$@^&@$USIC! OK. The first 4-5 songs on EQUIPOISE are brilliant and Runners leaped out at me instantly. I love the way it *sounds* (gosh, that's awfully logical, Mike) -- no, I can't exactly explain it, it is just totally hypnotic. I particularly love (not too strong a word) the opening cadence... and I wish that she will (sic for Jeff) come out with an instrumental single that just pounds on that first explosion of sound, the same way one of Kate's 12'' do (but I forget which one). He Will Come is drop dead *gorgeous*, again for the music and phrasing and sound. I think the Flight plays with similar sound as Runners, and Out Like a Lamb is more similar to The Flight. The song that *most* jumped out at me on first listen was Mother Sea. Aaaccccchhhh, this is great. I love piano stuff, I think this is stronger than In Hiding. I find the album, on the whole, to be particularly lsuh, sonically, except in a few places, most notably Cohabitants, which is not as good as some of the others (though the weird voice contortion is interesting, it sounds like it's just a gimmick and does not really work/fit in with anything else in the song, which is long and boring). Play the Game could also have been omitted with no big deal. So Mother Sea gets big thumbs up, as do the first 5. Warpaint was for me a much darker album, one I must admit I have difficulty listening to... I *hardly ever* listen to it, though I know alot of people on Ecto listen to it alot alot alot. (Fine diction there.) But it took me much longer to appreciate Warpaint, whereas EQP is for me at least, brighter, musically, and easier to like more quickly. I agree with Meredith that were the songs a little shorter there would be more likelihood for this album to get radio-play and people-purchase. She should work up a radio-single of Runners, and throw on an instrumental remix focussing on that first cadence. Yowie! Hooo-ah! meth: >Upon first listen, I must admit I was disappointed. I kept waiting for >something to grab me immediately and not let go, but there's no "Poetic >Justice" or "Words Weren't Made For Cowards" on this album. OK, I am Mr. Unconventional Ecto-guy. Neither of those songs grabbed me on *first listen*, heck, the only stuff that grabbed me on first listen was Vol.I and Vol.II, which still rank high on my list, certainly above Rearmament and Warpaint, probably above the first 1/2 of Ecto too. In retrospect, I love the last 1/2 of Ecto, like practically all of yous, and selected tracks on Warpaint are nice (like WWMFC), but I'm not gaga. Again, what grabbed me was the first cadence in Runners, and the entire song Mother Sea (love the atmospherics). meth: >I realized that although >"He Will Come", "The Flight" and "Mother Sea" are missing something from >the live versions they are still wonderful (I've had "Mother Sea" on >constant replay in my head all week!), and I began to get used to "the >Voize", although I must admit I don't think I'm ever going to really >like it. I guess I don't have a problem with the Voice. In Particular, I missed les concerts (bummer), so, although I have the tapes (which I barely even listened to once), these songs were fresh for me, and I love the way they sound on Poise. In fact, the sound is generally tremendous, voice and all. Fantastic. The first I heard Runners I though --- man, that could be a new Eurythmics track --- on that song she's a dead-singer for Lennox. meth is very sure of these things: >-the album starts out very strongly, but seems to lose its hold by the end. I agree certainly about the first5, though I also like I Say, and Mother Sea. >- if the songs were a minute shorter each I'd peg this album as ripe for >radio success, but as it is I'm afraid something as good for radio as >"Runners" will be overlooked because it's just too long for most formats. Absolutely, but hey, what's AOR for anyways? >- Happy is moving forward into a wonderful direction I didn't miss the guitar at all. I noticed Kevin does some guitar parts. I think this is far and away the best album from Happy so far... of that I am much more sure than I was of Warpaint when it came out. I agree that it's unfortunate about the radio and she should shorten runners to 3-4 minutes for radio (although I generally hate it when groups do this, I agree here). But as an album, it should have popular appeal, esp. Dance appeal. I was skating Sat. night and I wish I had brought EQP along, cos I could've gotten it onto the sound system and the music they did have was wretched. Runners would be *great to skate to*. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- As an aside, has anyone ever heard of Tasman Archer? I heard something on the radio by her--- she is big in England apparently--- and I thought it was quite good. Anyone got her album? -equipositivelyandpoisolutelyareinvigoratedsnappyfanmjm ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. 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