Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #436 ecto, Number 436 Sunday, 14 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Arson Garden News Re: Australian placement. out like a lamb Re: Greetings from a fan! Re: The battle of the -inas and other stories a clarification of sorts Re: Equipoise in Europe ======================================================================== Subject: Arson Garden News Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 02:01:31 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis HI, Just got back from yet another great performance by Arson Garden. They do indeed have a new CD EP out 'Drink a drink of you' which includes live versions of 'Two Sisters' and 'Trem Two'. Their new album will be out in August, and from what April told me their label has bought 'Under Towers' from their old label and should be re-releasing it sometime soon. They were in great shape, as usual. But they played for under an hour this time... :( And hey, the next band called Orangutang were actually filming a video there! For more info on Arson Garden and orders call: 1-800-228-1272 Angelos (I agree with meredith's interpretation of OLAL which is almost what my interpretation is! :) ) ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: Australian placement. Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 18:01:01 EST Vickie writes ... > > Would one of the Aussiephiles give us a map like this with the locations > of all the Down Under Happy fans? (while you're at it, show where the > WOMAD festival is being held, please.) I'm just curious, and want to > "place" you all. Thanks! > > (While I'm at it, what do the "r" "LI" and "V" stand for?) > (And why is the country divided in half on the map here?) > 'Aussiephiles' ... nice. *:) I suppose that gives 'Ameriphiles', 'Britiphiles', 'Germaphiles', 'Netherphiles' etc *:) (who did I leave out ... ?) I thought I'd just show them on Martin's map but then decide that that was too small, so thought I'd enlarge it a bit, and then got a little carried away *:) *:) Anyway, hope you like it ..... Here's Martin's map. _ . _r| Ll\ | | \ \ |_ / -> x~ `-' V To enlarge it slightly: This is slightly askew. Compare with an Atlas for a better map, but it's the best I could do in a few minutes *:) ___,_ |\ ,-' '-,_ | | / |D / This is | | This is the 'r' / | / the 'LI'| | | _,---- | / | \ ----> ,-' | \_ | | / | `-,_ | | | | NORTHERN '-,_/ \ / | TERRITORY | \ / WESTERN | | \ / AUSTRALIA | | \ /' | | QUEENSLAND '-, | | AS | \ | |------------------ B\ \ | | | | | SOUTH |---------------| \ | AUSTRALIA | NEW SOUTH ,' \ | | WALES | \ | | / \P(MD) _________ |-, S/ | ,-' '-, _ | '-, C / / ___,-' '-,//A | '''\ | '-' '\,_|(CB)M -/ '-,_()__,-' <--VICTORIA '` _____ This is the 'V'.---> -' '- \ / <--TASMANIA ', H,' -- Key: P = Perth, where Martin Lives. Hence the (MD) M = Melbourne, where I (ChrisB) live. Hence the (CB) A = Adelaide (where WOMADELAIDE) will be next week. S = Sydney C = Canberra D = Darwin B = Brisbane AS = Alice Springs. The () thing near Melbourne is supposed to represent Port Philip Bay upon which Melbourne is situated. The other thing near Adelaide is actually two gulfs. I hope I've got Darwin in the right place. I'm pretty sure it is *:) Anyway, that's it. Maybe the other Australian Ectophiles would like to indicate their location. And what about maps of other Ectophile locations ... Someone could do a map of the USA, and what about Canada, Britain etc ... Just a thought *:) Seeya Chris. P.S. I'm going to WOMAD(nyer nyer ni nyer nyer), which should make up for all the envy I've been suffering from during all this Equipoise euphoria that's been going on *:) -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 02:07:43 EST From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: out like a lamb at some point, i'll sit down and write out my impressions of the meanings of all of the songs. right now i want to just say something about out like a lamb, since it is, for me, the most complex of the songs. for all of the others i was able to pretty quickly point to what the song represented/meant to me. Out like a lamb, however, has evoked many different feelings and interpretations (from my own self, not to mention all that i've seen posted here :). at first, the section where happy sings "He'll call me when he's back in town.." sounded to me like someone trying to convince themselves of what they wished were true, what was easier for them to simply pretend to themselves was true. but now it sounds more to me like someone who is very certain of this being true, who is very comfortable with this knowledge. Actually, I tihnk the confidence in saying this part changes throughout the song, at times it feels like hope and desire, other times it feels like certainty and confidence. the sections "he did arrive very well equipped..", they also seem to change in tone for me - sometimes I feel that waht is being expressed is admiration, esteem, respect. Othertimes I feel a bit of contempt and anger, frustration. "i did love you more than you knew" and "it's a case of perfect hindsight", those parts are more of both wistfulness and certainty. the bagpipes make it sound as though the person has died - they give that feeling, that senesation, that this is a sad, mouring, song. (there are other aspects of the sound of the song that give this impression too) but I don't tihnk that is the case - to me it seems more to represent that the person singing has, in the end, chosen to regard this person who has gone, as dead. this way, she has in a way come to terms with his departure and its effect on her. At the same time she chooses to beleive that he will return, that he *must* return, as it is the nature of things "he'll call me when he's guided round that circle again".. For me this song is about the dual feelings you have inside yourself when someone you've fallen in love with in some way has gone away. in that light, this song fits very well with an exerience I had. it was a very powerful experience - it moved me, uncreative and most certainly unpoetic as I am, to write a poem about it. my poem is about a different angle than this song is.. it took me many listens before i identified waht it was that this song reminded me of. to make it clearer, here is what happened (in super-condensed form). A few years ago, I met - a random meeting - a person that made a very strong impact on me in a very short amount of time. (very short here means ~2 hours). He was extraordinarily interesting to me, we were capable of communication on a very deep and almost subconscious level. we could both sense in ourselves and each other a very strong desire to know each other and be together - i am sure physical attraction was involved, but this was also something else - it seemed very magical and at the same time very natural. But I never saw him again - shortly after we'd met he moved to Texas. I knew only his first name, and very little about him - I don't know of any way of contacting him. at the same time I feel in contradicting ways - I feel I will never see him again (he may as well have died), but I also feel very certain that in time i *will* see him again. it is a small world, after all, isn't it.. and the power of the connection between us makes me feel certain that it will pull us together somehow. So that's what "out like a lamb" means to me. except that the stuff about "he moved vern out, piece by piece" - that makes no sense to me at all :) Actually, while it doesn't make *direct* sense, it expresses for me a sort of intense furtiveness - as though the man left in a hurry and in a somewhat secretive/quiet fashion - *that* makes sense to me too - it is definitely about a person leaving because of fear - fear of success - fear of following through when it will be hard, when it will hurt - too many people do not allow relationships (from personal to professional) to develop because they know for it to get better it has to get *Harder* and in all liklihood will hurt from time to time.. it can be scary and easy to run away from. And this ties into my personal experience too - while I am sure there were many other reasons in the life of the guy i met that caused him to move (back) to Texas, there were very strong reasons for him to not want to see me or have anything to do with me. (I just don't tihnk he'd move to Texas to be *absolutely* certain of not running into me, that seems drastic, but sometimes I really wonder). it would be impossible, considering waht we felt, to not want to share *everything* one can share with a person - and that was not possible. I am married. That was very very frightening for him. (it is this aspect that my poem is about). He didn't tihnk he could handle expressing only part of what he felt. Ok, i guess that is it for now. jessica ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 2:39:33 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Australian placement. Hey ChrisB, I'm **impressed**!! > 'Aussiephiles' ... nice. *:) > I suppose that gives 'Ameriphiles', 'Britiphiles', 'Germaphiles', > 'Netherphiles' etc *:) (who did I leave out ... ?) Finnishphiles, Canadaphiles, UpWithPeoplephiles... We used to have a ZimbabweWayphile, but he upped and moved back to North America, now he's a Montrealphile (Alan Ezust). Speaking of cities, I think my favorite to type and say is Phillyphile. > Anyway, hope you like it ..... I *DO*! > S = Sydney > Anyway, that's it. Maybe the other Australian Ectophiles would like > to indicate their location. Graham is in Sydney, right Graham? > And what about maps of other Ectophile locations ... Someone could do > a map of the USA, and what about Canada, Britain etc ... That would be fun. If someone does the USA, make sure Albany's prominent :-). > P.S. I'm going to WOMAD(nyer nyer ni nyer nyer), which should make ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You Aussies sure do have a funny accent! :-) > up for all the envy I've been suffering from during all this > Equipoise euphoria that's been going on *:) Yeah, but once you get Ectopo^H^H^HEquipoise, you'll still be one up on us. Gloat, just go ahead and gloat. (Just to pass on a cool tidbit to everybody, the lady who wanted the tape of "Would That I Could" lives in ChrisB's abode area, and her son is at the same university, so Chris can hand deliver the tape. I'm glad I asked before taping it and mailing it to her.) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 3:48:02 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Greetings from a fan! Skaludy writes: > Despite all you efforts to protect and shield us from your exposee, I > finally found it buried in the Ecto archive and read it. All of it. End > to end. I still can't believe I posted all that. (It did go to the list, but I stopped Jessica before she sent it out via Digest.) I still go into Full Cringe/Wince mode when I think that people actually read it. It's so raw. Even edited, it's stuff I never thought I'd tell *anyone*. It's crazy, I spend so much time and mental energy worrying about what other people will think of me, and very little dealing with what actually happened to me. I will have to deal with it, and I'm scared at the thought. > Sure it was some serious stuff (bit of understatement there), but > my greatest impression after reading all of it is, "Wow, Vickie is a darn > good writer!" Must be all those books you read. Not quite as flowery as > Mitch Prevatier (?), but darn good. You ought to make an autobiography, or > better, a screenplay for a movie. No kidding! You certainly have enough > material to draw from. :-) thanks, but uh...I don't think so. With my embarrassingly limited education, there's no way I could be a real writer. I'm always certain that everytime I post I cause chuckles and chortles with my grammar, slang, sentence structure, spelling and punctuation. And that's from people who *like* me. I can't imagine what people who don't know me must think. (I know who I would want to play me in a film though. I can't remember her name, but she played the lead in _Enchanted April_, the lady who started it all, not Miranda Richardson. Geez, what a depressing movie that would be.) > I know or have met a few real losers in my life, who, if they threatened > to do themselves in, I would say "Go ahead, we would all be better off if > you did." None of them could have written what you wrote. And none of > them were near as interesting and deep as you. And, as you pointed out, > you have too much passion to end it now. You feel too strongly about > music, at least, as evident from you many excited postings. The total > loser doesnt feel passionate about anything. This made me cry. Thank you. > I was surprised how many important details you dont remember. Have you > ever tried hypnotism to try to bring some of those things out? Sounds > like knowing some of the details would really settle a few gnawing issues > in your mind. You'd better believe it! I want to be hypnotized and remember everything. I've never been hypnotized, and I don't even know if I can be. It's said that intelligent, imaginative people are easily hypnotized, which makes me fear that I can't be. :-) > I was also surprised how obviously NOT YOUR FAULT all of those situations > were. Seeing the long list in the original post, I assumed it would be > situations where most people, courts, etc., would not be too sympathetic. > Now perhaps you sheilded us from the truth, or fabricated some details in > your defense. Doesnt matter. The important thing is that you got it out > in the open where you can now deal with it, and, as you will see, you have > some friends out here who care. I encourage you to (w)ri[gh]t(e) more! Well, I certainly did leave out many details that I remember, but what's there is pure 100% truth. I didn't fabricate anything. (I'm curious, what parts do you think I might have fabricated? I'm not mad, I just want to know what prompted that remark. Maybe it's something I can explain in a better way. The biggest fear that survivors have is not being believed, so please, I want to know.) Thanks for the support. Everybody has been so wonderful, and I appreciate it *deeply*. About dealing with it all, I haven't even started. As a matter of fact, I've been avoiding it like the plague. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 02:23:59 PST From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Re: Greetings from a fan! WretchAwry writes: > :-) thanks, but uh...I don't think so. With my embarrassingly limited > education, there's no way I could be a real writer. I'm always certain > that everytime I post I cause chuckles and chortles with my grammar, > slang, sentence structure, spelling and punctuation. And that's from > people who *like* me. I can't imagine what people who don't know me > must think. Vickie, your writing is better than that of many "educated" people I know. You spell and punctuate well enough that I don't notice any errors, and I'm _very_ picky about spelling and grammar myself (although I generally resist the urge to bug people about it). The only real education you need to be a writer is enough background in language to get your spelling and grammar right most of the time, and the desire to say something. You've obviously read enough that you know how to construct proper sentences, and your posts are always clear and direct. I know so many people whose writing frustrates me because it is too wordy, or so stylistically bizarre that it's distracting, or who spell so poorly that I spend too much time trying to figure out what words they were intending to put down. You have none of those problems. ======================================================================== Subject: Re: The battle of the -inas and other stories Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 14:42:18 -0500 From: "Daniel S. Riley" Mitch Pravatiner writes: >Speaking of electronic animals: Add me to the list of _DW_ freaks on ecto. >Tom Baker is my favorite too. My favorite companion is Leela, probably for >the same reason I like to go to the Virginia Slims. It must all be a function >of whatever it is that makes me tick psychosexually :-). Romana I and Nyssa >are tied for 2nd, and of course K-9 has his own spot in the pantheon. What he said, almost exactly (well, except for Nyssa--I liked the first Romana far more than Nyssa). Jeff writes >Hmmm. Sounds like the prof who handed out a 26 page syllabus complete >with exhortations to buy all the various grammar and style guides. I >debated whether or not to circle all of the grammatical errors in the >syllabus and giving it back to the prof before dropping the class. I >decided it wasn't worth the effort of wading through the excess verbiage. Reminds me of the notice I recieved, back in my undergraduate days, that I had passed the college's writing competency requirement. The notice was only a paragraph long, from the chairman of the English department no less, and full of grammatical errors, spelling mistakes, and awkward constructions. I sent it back, covered with red ink. He never sent me a corrected version--but he had tenure, so there was not much I could do about it... And Vickie says: >:-) thanks, but uh...I don't think so. With my embarrassingly limited >education, there's no way I could be a real writer. Which is clearly (sorry Vickie) nonsense. While an education helps with some things, there is no requirement that you have x years of school or so many college credits to be a writer. Having something to say, and a voice to say it, is *far* more important. You write more than well enough, and you certainly have something to say. -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 15:04:36 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (l.l. cool bean) Subject: a clarification of sorts well, i suppose that i should clear up something about me and lyrics. it's not that i ignore them; rather, they are just the last thing that i tend to notice about a song. i dunno, i guess i'm just musically-oriented or something. so kill me. :) eventually, they sink in though - it just takes some time, that's all. kudos to steve for mentioning the "sparser arrangements" of _equipoise_. i was pretty confuse when someone (angelos was it?) said that he thought that the album was overproduced. there really isn't that much going in any of the songs on a musical level as far as instrumentation goes - happy on keys, a programmed drum sequence, kevin doing something and maybe one or two other sequences in the background. hardly overproduced at all. (yeah, i like walls of sound too :) woj ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 22:23:23 MET From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Re: Equipoise in Europe Steve Fagg writes: > I don't know if I'm the first on this side of the pond, but I am now > the excited possessor of a copy. No, you are not the first. My copy of _Equipoise_ arrived here last Thursday. Perhaps I'm the first? I've listened to it quite a few times in the last couple of days, and I know now for sure that I love it. Actually, I already decided during my first listen that it is great, but I never know for sure how a new album will grow on me, even if I like it a lot the first time. I really like the way Happy is able to create music out of all these different sounds she uses that sounds coherent. This is something I'm sometimes missing when I'm listening to Bel Canto. This is the first thing I've written to Ecto in a long time. I hope you haven't been too worried about me, I just needed some time. Albert "This time you've gone too far" Peter Gabriel ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)