Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #433 ecto, Number 433 Friday, 12 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Hmm. Eh. _Hmm._ OK. Hmm. _Wow_. True Aural Gratification Re: Navigator/ new list member oh and one other thing... Many things...(esp cats) ... Re: Many things... Re: Misc. Re: Totally tubular but only partly watched and other stories Annie's single and Cambridge Happy-watch Apologies... Greetings from a fan! Equipoise in Europe HaPpY Birthday ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 17:21:48 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (l.l. cool bean) Subject: Re: Hmm. Eh. _Hmm._ OK. Hmm. _Wow_. Angelos Kyrlidis sez: >I dunno, 'Runners' is a *very* catchy song. I can't get it out of my mind. me neither, but i don't particularly like it. i've been listening to _equipoise_ a lot and i'm still not entirely overcome by it. i'll add "out like a lamb" and "cohabitants" to my like list, but the rest of the album is still pretty standard *musically* - which is how i judge things for the most part since i'm not a big lyric listener. woj ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: True Aural Gratification Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 17:44:38 EST Hi! I have TONS of e-mail to wade through, most of which is from ecto- that's what I get for moving the week Equipoise comes out. :} Luckily, the folks at AG understood the puzzle that was my letter to them and figured out which address to send it to, so when I arrived at my new home on Monday there was a CD waiting for me. Upon first listen, I must admit I was disappointed. I kept waiting for something to grab me immediately and not let go, but there's no "Poetic Justice" or "Words Weren't Made For Cowards" on this album. Like Vickie said, "life music" has to be absorbed over a period of time, and that's just what I'm having to do with this one. I'm going to ignore my first impressions, since to be honest they weren't all that favorable. But never one to give up easily, as soon as the first run-through was over I hit Play again, and almost immediately new doors opened for me. The hook in "Runners" snagged hold, I realized that although "He Will Come", "The Flight" and "Mother Sea" are missing something from the live versions they are still wonderful (I've had "Mother Sea" on constant replay in my head all week!), and I began to get used to "the Voize", although I must admit I don't think I'm ever going to really like it. (It's a great idea, but to my ear it sounds too amateur- I mean, with all the snazzy equipment they have and awesome sounds they can produce elsewhere, what's with this noise that sounds more like an old Vocoder than something out of the 90's? But that's a minor quibble...) I've only had a chance to listen three times, so I'm not sure if I have my opinions in place yet. It is definitely growing on my by leaps and bounds. There are a few things of which now I am sure: -the album starts out very strongly, but seems to lose its hold by the end. By that I mean, the first "side" (1st 5 songs) don't let me do anything but listen to them, whereas by the end I find myself reading the paper or zoning to something else. (Maybe that's just my MTV-plagued attention span? ;>) - if the songs were a minute shorter each I'd peg this album as ripe for radio success, but as it is I'm afraid something as good for radio as "Runners" will be overlooked because it's just too long for most formats. - Happy is moving forward into a wonderful direction- I notice she doesn't play guitar at all, which would be strange if I didn't know how much she always wanted to do keyboards from the beginning. At times she sounds like Pamela Golden, at others the music sounds like something straight out of Bel Canto, while elsewhere she sounds the most like Kate on this album than on any of her previous work, and at still other times she's a dead ringer for Julia Fordham. (Now I think the "Annie Lennox and Kate Bush singing a duet" description would best be changed to "Julia Fordham and Kate Bush singing a duet"- much more apt.) I love this album. I have some problems with it, sure, but I definitely think it's her best work so far, and there's nowhere to go but up. This Sunday I'm going to feature it on Champagne Jam (amongst the sappy love songs ;), and I hope I can convince a lot of people to buy it that way!!! Yours in Aural Gratification (though never in Equipoise, as anyone who has experienced my nonexistent sense of balance can attest), Meredith meth@aol.com ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: Re: Navigator/ new list member Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 17:56:25 EST Hi! The mention of Laurie Freelove having been on Mountain Stage reminds me: Ingrid Karklins will be at Mountain Stage on Sunday- she's not sure when the program will be aired, but I'm sure someone could find out. (And if that someone could also find out a station list so we can see if we can listen to it, that would be great... :) Meredith meth@aol.com ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 18:24:10 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (l.l. cool bean) Subject: oh and one other thing... i figured out why i don't like "the flight" on _equipoise_ as much as the live version - happy's voice! listen carefully to the way that she sings the song: her voice is kinda nasally in the verses, or something. it just doesn't sound *right*. the tempo is also slower than the live version too which makes it sound weird to someone used to the live rendition. especially during the chorus. the latin vampyre image is now stuck in my brain...thanks. ;) woj ======================================================================== Subject: Re: oh and one other thing... Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 19:13:10 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis woj ponders: >i figured out why i don't like "the flight" on _equipoise_ as much as >the live version - happy's voice! listen carefully to the way that she >sings the song: her voice is kinda nasally in the verses, or something. >it just doesn't sound *right*. To me it sounds *kind* of hoarse (which doesn't mean she sounds like Kim Carnes :) ), but it definitely isn't her smooth velvety ethereal beautiful heavenly one we are used to. She either recorded this when she had a cold, or 2 packs of cigs :) [BTW hasn't she quit?] It still sounds wonderful. Angelos (in serious equipoise-withdrawal mode) ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Many things...(esp cats) ... Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:35:03 EST John writes ... > > While we were listening, we could've sworn that we heard a cat crying. > We have two cats ourselves, but it wasn't them crying. We looked out our > windows, but couldn't see any cats. It wasn't until yesterday when I listened > to "Noone Here" again that I realized it was on the CD player! :) > Oh good ... I'm not the only one *:) Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 22:35:13 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Many things... JohnS writes: > The two Voyager spacecraft carried a 12-inch gold plated copper phonograph > record. It is stored in a protective aluminum jacket, with a cartridge and > needle. On the record, there are 115 images stored in analog form. There > is also a 90 music selection of Eastern and Western musics. It includes > Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Navajo Indian Chant, Senegalese Percussion, > Peruvian Pan Pipes, and of course, Chuck Berry singing "Johnny B. Goode." :) Is a full listing of the music on-line, ftp-able from somewhere? I'd be interested in seeing it. (Besides normal curiousity, I'm actually kinda wondering if the ever-so-lucky aliens will get to hear what a female singing voice is like. If anything, I'd guess Beverly Sills is on there somewhere. Maybe Joni Mitchell?) Thanks for the information! > Now, some Happy stuff... > I'm still waiting for Equipoise. I sent my order a week ago, so hopefully > I'll get it anyday now. > My wife and I listened to all 5 albums in a row this past weekend. We > talked a lot about it afterwards and I'm still so impressed with the depth > of the vocals, especially on the early stuff. Happy clearly grasps the idea > of using her voice as an instrument. :) It all sounds so effortless... I'm always enchanted when I hear her little "lilts" in songs such as "To the Funnyfarm" and many others. Crystal Happy. (Hey Mitch!) > I've had "Wretches Gone Awry" in my head all week. That's a nice place for it to be. > While we were listening, we could've sworn that we heard a cat crying. > We have two cats ourselves, but it wasn't them crying. We looked out our > windows, but couldn't see any cats. It wasn't until yesterday when I listened > to "Noone Here" again that I realized it was on the CD player! :) We should gather up all the "When I First Heard The Cat" stories. I love hearing them. Thanks for the "Strange Phenomena" story. It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. (Stephen Wright) Oh, Big Hat and Moon Seven Times are tomorrow night. I just got the date wrong. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 22:50:31 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Misc. Neile says: > Heh. Good to know there are other Who fans on ecto. Tom Baker is our favorite Doctor, but I liked Peter Davidson quite a bit too. I have to admit that we never really saw much of the other Doctors before Baker or after Davidson (Davison? My memory's fritzed) so we're biased no matter what. My favorite companion is the second Romana. Thank you for your Happy story Neile. I keep a file of them and now you're in it! Great! > To change the subject (again) I guess no one else is interested in _The > Ectophiles Guide to Good Music_. Ah well. I'll just file it away in the > (large) closet marked ideas which seemed great to Neile but no one else. > Win some, lose some. I think an Index is a wonderful idea! TimB had an idea on the same lines a while back and I kept expecting him to pop up (Tim, you there?) I also was/am expecting Jessica to tell us about the Indexing program she ran across. Once everybody pools their resources, it will all come together, I'm sure. It *is* a wonderful idea. Especially wrt music, there's been so many good posts about music. Anyway, don't give up Neile! **HUG** (to Jim too!) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 23:43:02 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Totally tubular but only partly watched and other stories Mitch mitches: > WRT Vickie's account of Happy's personal note to her in the CD booklet: > during our conversation in the park the other day, she showed it to me, and > I recognized the handwriting, to my delight, as identical to the addressing > on the mailer in which my copy came. Needless to say, I still have it :-). I just got mine out from under the cat, and she addressed it too. I bet she did most of them. > Today's etymology tidbit: I once read somewhere that the Aussie slang "Pom" > for the English has its roots in the national genesis itself, as a penal > colony. Everytime I've seen the word here in the last few days, I've thought of the film _Time After Time_ with Malcolm McDowell & Mary Steenburgen. The scene that comes to mind is where H. G. Wells (who has traveled into the future to capture Jack the Ripper) goes into a McDonalds and orders french fries. "Pom fritz, french fries are pom fritz!" he says. I don't know if that's what he's actually saying, but that's how I hear it. So now, when I see the word Pom in Ecto, I think of french fries. Weird. (Would you like your Englishman fried or baked?) > The thoughts expressed in Chris Boek's .sig epigraph did not originate with > Tom Baker, BTW. Years earlier, the late Oscar Levant made his famous pronun- > cement, "There is a thin line between genius and insanity--and I have erased > that line." Spinal Tap: "It's a fine line between clever and stupid." (Nothing personal Mitch, that just popped into my mind.) Who's Oscar Levant? > WRT Sam's query about Edgar and Clyde: The documentary in question took the > position that the late, longtime FBI director J. Edgar Hoover and his chief > deputy, Clyde Tolson, were MOTSS SO's (a gay couple, for those not heavily > into Netspeak), and that this fact enabled the Mafia to blackmail JEH into > not directing the Bureau's efforts against organized crime to any great > extent. This is considered especially ironic, since Hoover was notorious > for his alleged practice of using his secret dossiers to blackmail a variety > of public officials and other public figures, including Martin Luther King. Thanks for clearing that up. I was confused by your .sig line too. It was so nice to run into you at the library Mitch! Vickie "Come on dancing, Azuz" (what I'd be singing if I didn't have a lyric sheet to "Save Our Souls") ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 0:30:04 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: oh and one other thing... I think we're forgetting to put **spoilers** folks. Many have not yet achieved a state of Equipoise. (I know, I've forgotten them myself) Angelos (with)drawls: > woj ponders: > >i figured out why i don't like "the flight" on _equipoise_ as much as > >the live version - happy's voice! listen carefully to the way that she > >sings the song: her voice is kinda nasally in the verses, or something. > >it just doesn't sound *right*. > > To me it sounds *kind* of hoarse (which doesn't mean she sounds like Kim > Carnes :) ), but it definitely isn't her smooth velvety ethereal beautiful > heavenly one we are used to. She either recorded this when she had a cold, > or 2 packs of cigs :) [BTW hasn't she quit?] It still sounds wonderful. She quit long before she started recording the vocals, and no other song sounds like that. I'm wondering if she may have done it on purpose. Oh, and Equipoise is definitely not her Dreaming. She'll do that when she no longer has to answer to the bank statements. > Angelos (in serious equipoise-withdrawal mode) Where'd it go? Vickie (who seriously wants Michael Jackson's amusement park!) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Vickie "Fight for the right "My ears are lucky to hear vickie@pilot.njin.net to have monsters" TA these glorious songs" HR _________ "Imagination sets in, then |_ _ | _ The Happy Rhodes mailing list all the voices begin" KB |__|_ ||_| ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ======================================================================== Subject: Annie's single and Cambridge Happy-watch Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 00:39:02 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, Just got two Annie Lennox singles ('Little Bird' and 'Walking...') which both feature alternate takes on the title songs, and lots of unreleased stuff. The LB one has 'Love Song for a Vampire' as has been discussed here before, plus 3 songs from her Unplugged show, and the WOBG one has 4 unplugged songs. All are great! And I saw 5 Happy CDs in the Cambridge Tower (no Equipoise tho). Efi swears there were 8 this morning (talk about getting people into stalking record stores and scoping the 'rhodes' sections... :) ). So, apparently 3 Happy Cds were sold in Cambridge today! Angelos (my equipoise tape was borrowed by an officemate of mine. He liked it but he still thinks 'to live in your world' is his fave happy tune) ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Apologies... Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 15:19:44 +0800 (WST) Hi people. I just thought I'd drop a note to people expecting mail from me to explain why I haven't been sending it. Basically, I'm in a new (temporary) job as the computer support person for the entire Curtin Uni campus. The usual staff of fifty people or so who do this job have all gone off on a seminar for a couple of days and left me holding the baby. Rather a lot of babies actually. :-} err... and I've sent Graham info on getting Happy stuff from Australia... Well, 3 minutes is up, that was my lunchbreak. :) Martin -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------. _ . | Oh, get to the point you sappy wimps Martin Dougiamas. | _r| Ll\ | I haven't got a lot of time martin@cs.curtin.edu.au | | | \ | Simplicity is beauty martin@dialix.oz.au | \ |_ / | Are there poets less sublime? Perth, Western Australia --+-> X~ `-' `= Poetic Justice - Happy Rhodes =================================' V ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 21:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Potter Subject: Greetings from a fan! Hi Vickie! Despite all you efforts to protect and shield us from your exposee, I finally found it buried in the Ecto archive and read it. All of it. End to end. Sure it was some serious stuff (bit of understatement there), but my greatest impression after reading all of it is, "Wow, Vickie is a darn good writer!" Must be all those books you read. Not quite as flowery as Mitch Prevatier (?), but darn good. You ought to make an autobiography, or better, a screenplay for a movie. No kidding! You certainly have enough material to draw from. I know or have met a few real losers in my life, who, if they threatened to do themselves in, I would say "Go ahead, we would all be better off if you did." None of them could have written what you wrote. And none of them were near as interesting and deep as you. And, as you pointed out, you have too much passion to end it now. You feel too strongly about music, at least, as evident from you many excited postings. The total loser doesnt feel passionate about anything. I was surprised how many important details you dont remember. Have you ever tried hypnotism to try to bring some of those things out? Sounds like knowing some of the details would really settle a few gnawing issues in your mind. I was also surprised how obviously NOT YOUR FAULT all of those situations were. Seeing the long list in the original post, I assumed it would be situations where most people, courts, etc., would not be too sympathetic. Now perhaps you sheilded us from the truth, or fabricated some details in your defense. Doesnt matter. The important thing is that you got it out in the open where you can now deal with it, and, as you will see, you have some friends out here who care. I encourage you to (w)ri[gh]t(e) more! -Skaludy spotter@darwin.bio.uci.edu ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: Misc. Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 20:19:24 EST Vickie says ... > > Tom Baker is our favorite Doctor, but I liked Peter Davidson quite a > bit too. I have to admit that we never really saw much of the other > Doctors before Baker or after Davidson (Davison? My memory's fritzed) > so we're biased no matter what. > Tom Baker was the best and always will be the best in my view. He made the part his own, which made him a very hard act to follow. Peter Davison (no 'd' *:) ) did a very good job I thought; I liked him too. Jon Perwee (the one before Tom) was good as well, but neither of these did the same for me as Tom. I haven't seen very much of the first two, and can't remember Colin Baker. Sylvester McCoy was looking promising, but I don't think we'll see any more of him. In fact, I don't think we'll ever see any new Dr Who at all now. The BBC must have planned this all really well. Anyway enough rambling ... > My favorite companion is the second Romana. > I think I'll always like Sarah-Jane. Mind you I like Leela too. But I'm probably biased because I'm in the middle of watching the episodes with these two in it. My favourite story is 'The Deadly Assassin'. (guess who the Doctor was *:)) Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Equipoise in Europe Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 9:51:01 BST I don't know if I'm the first on this side of the pond, but I am now the excited possessor of a copy. It arrived this very morning, barely two and a half hours ago so I've only heard it twice through so far. Special thanks to Neile who so very kindly offered to act as my agent in getting a copy. An offer I was hardly likely to refuse! Now I've got to get through a whole day at work before I can get back home and listen to it some more. Must try and concentrate! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:54:09 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a Very HAPPY Birthday to Doug Burks on February 14th. Have a great day Doug Terry =============================================================================== _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' YYUR - YYUB - ICURYY4ME ================================================================================ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 08:35:28 EST From: ken@startek.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: oh and one other thing... Vickie says: >She quit long before she started recording the vocals, and no other song >sounds like that. I'm wondering if she may have done it on purpose. I'd forgotten that Happy had this vice until it was brought up. But I"m *very* happy to hear that she's lost it!! Congratulations to Happy for quitting.. >Oh, and Equipoise is definitely not her Dreaming. She'll do that when >she no longer has to answer to the bank statements. I have to admit that I was a little worried when I first saw someone say that it was a "Dreaming". Worried that perhaps my musically taste had calcified in the wrong directions :^) But fortunately or not, this is, as Vickie says, not her Dreaming.. -ken d ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Totally tubular but only partly watched and other stories Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:27:27 BST On Thu, 11 Feb 93 at 23:43:02 EST WretchAwry wrote: > Everytime I've seen the word here in the last few days, I've thought of > the film _Time After Time_ with Malcolm McDowell & Mary Steenburgen. The > scene that comes to mind is where H. G. Wells (who has traveled into the > future to capture Jack the Ripper) goes into a McDonalds and orders > french fries. "Pom fritz, french fries are pom fritz!" he says. I don't > know if that's what he's actually saying, but that's how I hear it. > So now, when I see the word Pom in Ecto, I think of french fries. Weird. That's "pommes frites" (with a circumflex ^ over the i). "Pommes" being short for "pommes de terrre" (literally "Apples of the earth") i.e. potatoes. Current usage abbreviates "pommes frites" to just "frites", as in: "deux Big Macs et trois Super Frites s'il vous plait", something I regret I have to admit I *have* ordered in a Macdonald's in Paris! My dictionary informs me that "Pom" is short for "Pommy" which it defines as "a mildly offensive word used by Australians and New Zealanders for a British person", giving the etymology as: "possibly a blend of 'immigrant' and 'pomegranate' (alluding to the red cheeks of British immigrants)". So maybe we're pomegranates rather than spuds. Of course, both 'pomegranate' and 'pomme' derive from Latin 'pomum', an apple. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)