Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #425 ecto, Number 425 Monday, 8 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Crying Game Re: Crazy girl, but happy a retraction Cocteau Twins question Where to buy Equipoise? secret shame Equipoise - Not! re: Rock On closer, than before ======================================================================== From: Scorpii Subject: Crying Game Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 12:59:46 EST Forwarded message: > From I_SW@zis.ziff.com Mon Feb 8 10:17:28 1993 > Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 09:59 EST > From: Sam Warren > Subject: Crying Game > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > Message-Id: <01GUH41NWY38A9LGF1@arnor.zis.ziff.com> > X-Envelope-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > X-Vms-To: IN%"ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu" > X-Vms-Cc: I_SW > > Well, I think I have a similar background, and I was completely surprised. As was I. Zowie. > Maybe it has to do with one's willingness to suspend disbelief? I went to the > film not knowing what to expect after "the mission goes awry", and I just > believed everything in the way in which it was presented. I had the most fun > that way. Still, even if I had known "the secret", I think the film is > entertaining (and thought provoking) enough without the surprise. So why all > the insistence on "keeping the secret"? Because those who will figure it out > on their own, do so because they want to. Others like to be fooled. > I certainly enjoyed guessing all the way, and later enjoyed remembering all the clues that SHOULD have tipped me off. A thoroughly amazing, thought-provoking, and fascinating film, secret or no. BTW, I fell in love with Miranda Richardson after seeing her in Blackadder II, and was stunned at her acting versatility as displayed in this film. One hell of a woman, one hell of an actress. Again, zowie...has anyone seen Damage? How was she in that? And what else has she appeared in? Drewcifer (Does anyone else tend to think that, in terms of stress level, this group is to rdt as soc.bi is to soc.motss?) ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Crying Game Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 18:12:40 BST On Mon, 8 Feb 93 at 12:59:46 EST, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) wrote: > BTW, I fell in love with Miranda Richardson after seeing her in Blackadder > II, and was stunned at her acting versatility as displayed in this film. > One hell of a woman, one hell of an actress. She certainly is. On stage she's even more of a knockout! > (Does anyone else tend to think that, in terms of stress level, this group > is to rdt as soc.bi is to soc.motss?) Since I don't participate in either rdt or soc.motss I can't really say, but I have noticed that the interpersonal atmosphere in ecto has a certain very pleasant je ne sai quoi in common with that in soc.bi -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Crazy girl, but happy Date: Mon, 08 Feb 93 13:23:24 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Yo, you balanced equi-philes :) Spoilers (are they really necessary?-probably not, but since I now can use the ^L, I might as well show off :) ) Vickie writes: >Mitch mentioned >offhand, in a phone conversation, that the song was about depression. >I had no idea! While we were on the phone I looked at the lyrics and >it all made so much sense. The lyrics are from the point-of-view of >the depression, as a demon lurking inside. Depression? Hmmm. I pictured this as something more horrid. But I guess you probably are right. It's the dark and light in ourselves. It could be anything we keep inside and refuse to show for one reason or another, in fear that no-one can understand, and it's wonderfully written IMHO. Then Jessica writes: >Hmm, you know, the *very* beginning of "cohabitants" sounds like >cookie monster speaking in german. Ha! I was looking for the german bits that we were told the new album would have (back when we were also told about the bagpipes), and that was the only place that sounded german to me :) I have a slight knowledge of the language but it's so garbled I can't figure it out... We'll have to wait for the german ectophiles to enlighten us, I guess. BTW, is it 'Viva Amore' that she is singing in 'The flight'? My ordering is as follows: Out like a lamb, Closer, Runners, The flight, He will come, Save our souls, Cohabitants, I say, temporary and eternal, play the game, mother sea. As if it matters. :) BTW, what does 'vern' mean? It is mentioned in OLAL, and I looked up the word in all dictionaries I have but couldn't find it. It will help me understand OLAL, and it being my favorite song, I *really* need to know. Closer sounds to me like a major step forward, in the sense that it *almost* sounds like a Brecht/Weil song. The playfulness of the melody is amazing. A true growth from the 'Take me with you', 'Lay me down', 'Words weren't made for cowards' stash of wonderful Happy songs. I can see Haris Alexiou singing it in Greek and becoming a mega-hit there, but that's just me. Too bad I have to prepare a seminar for my interviews, and I can't spend *all* my time talking about 'aspects of the balanced world'. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 08 Feb 93 13:22:43 EST From: a snow covered mountain in an empty room Subject: a retraction hey ho... last night, my memory must have been failing me miserably - i described schasle as "weird pop with classical intonations" which was flat out wrong. i did listen to her album as i fell asleep, but didn't feel like logging on then to correct myself. so i will do it now... she's pop, that much is true. however, there's a certain soulfulness to her singing, not unlike sophie b. hawkins, in fact. the music also has a r&b feel to it, though it is not rhythm and blues explicitly. there. i feel better now. woj@work ======================================================================== From: bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Michael Bowman) Subject: Cocteau Twins question Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 10:39:33 PST Does anyone know what the contents of the Cocteau Twins boxed set are, compared to the albums? Thanks Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.ed ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 13:49:46 EST From: ejg@eplrx7.es.dupont.com (Ed Grozalis) Subject: Where to buy Equipoise? Hi, For you ectophiles in the DE area... (If any) Rainbow records tells me they'll have Equipoise tommorrow(2/9 Tues)... Ed ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1993 14:01:32 EST From: Chris Sampson Subject: secret shame Hello, all, Oh, yeah....More shame....albeit slight. I have, I believe, 1,2,3,4,5,6.......6 (or 7) ELO LPS.....none on CD, Steve...:)... I am only slight ashamed of having "Discovery", as, IMO, it sucks.....The others are classics, even if they are dated....Jeff, baby, get a new sound! A few nights ago, I dragged (drug?) out an LP, called, the South's Greatest....it's from my southern rock period, I took it out for "Midnight Rider", but was slightly ashamed of myself for having purchased an album that was essentially crap in most other respects (excluding "Ramblin' Man")....Hey, we mature, y'know....wanna make something of it?!?!?!? :):) Besides that, OH, YEAH, I have some George Winston on CD, but I can at least hide behind the fact that I didn't buy any of it....I just sort of inherited it.....While not ashamed of it, (more victimized), I drug out "To the Power of Three" by 3 (Emerson, Palmer, and some moron named Robert? Berry)...I haven't sold this back to the store, yet, but intend to do so at my earlies convenience. I bought Peter Gabriel's "Revisited" CD a few weeks ago....It is comprised of MOST of albums 1 and 2....I did not realize that they'd left out some songs from each......:|, caught up in the ecstasy as I was.....Still, what IS on there has been re-produced/-mixed. According to a discerning friend of mine, both albums were badly in need of said re-mixing........ Well, that's all for now, Chris P.S. Vickie, HaPpY to hear you were first to get 'poise. Many HaPpY returns...... ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 14:08:15 EST From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins question Michael peers into the pink opaque: > Does anyone know what the contents of the Cocteau Twins boxed set > are, compared to the albums? yep. ;) the c'twins box contains 10 CD *singles* and EPs, which include a few album tracks. some of these EPs were released in pairs as album length CDs by 4AD -- if you bought the original imports, you may find the box unecessary (this footah, of course, found it quite necessary to buy two, mm, three actually, though only one was kept :) if you bought the american from capitol then you can bloody well afford the box, which is good because it is, then, necessary ;) encased in a lovely rust/burgandy cloth-bound, hinged box with a 23 Envelope logo (23 Envelope does all those gorgeous 4AD covers) are the following CDs: Lullabies Peppermint Pig Sunburst and Snowblind Tiny Dynamine Echoes in a Shallow Bay Aikea-Guinea The Spangle Maker Love's Easy Tears Iceblink Luck and a disk with the hard-to-find songs/versions Dials, Crushed, The High Monkey-Monk, Oomingmak "Crushed" was the c'twins contribution to 4ADs remarkable sampler "lonely is an eyesore"... each CD includes 4-5 songs -- this box set is perfect for those with multi-CD players, or a fondness for getting up all the time ;) speaking of "lonely is an eyesore", did anyone see the video? i have never seen a c'twins video, nor a throwing muses video (and man, the muses threw a lot more back then...) just a mutter from flu-constricted throat of a footah... -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 8 Feb 93 14:52:49 EST Subject: Equipoise - Not! I'd talk about the album, but I still haven't received it! So it's kind of hard to give my opinion or pick my favorites. But every day I live with the delusion that I'll go home and find it in my mailbox! With apologies to the Shirelles (at least I think it's the Shirelles): "Mr. Postman, please. Won't you see if there's an album for me!" ;-) Actually, I'm in a package waiting mode anyway. I figured out that I'm due about 9 different packages of all kinds of things. A friend of mine shared a guilty pleasure in the form of a band that I had completed blocked out ("the mind forgets the things it can't handle!")! She has and still listens to 10cc. You know of "Love is Like Oxygen" and "Things We do for Love Fame". I had completely forgotten about them. Thank you America's Top 40 for playing the hits of our life ;-) Thanks for all the album recommendations! I got a ton of things to start with. There definitely seems to be a concensus that Shepard's Moon was not a good album to buy of Enya's. Good, I was wondering what all the fuss was about after I heard it! Dan, your mention of Laurie Anderson just brought back a flood of memories of my experimental/alternative music days. I saw Laurie's Big Science tour and at the time was heavily into: The Residents, Meredith Monk, Tuxedo Moon, Snakefinger, Fred Frith, etc. (Ralph Records to the hilt, except Meredith M. of course!). I only have the Meredith Monk albums still, but The Residents' provided my favorite button: "Ignorance of your culture is not considered cool!" Maybe today I'll receive Equipoise and be able to talk about my opinions of it! Meantime I'll just live vicariously through those lucky few who have it and post little titbits about it! Please just some crumbs or little table scrapes is all I ask! I'll be good I promise! ;-) Enough for now! - Michael B. (who spends his nights staring at his mailbox just dreaming a little dream!) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 12:34:58 PST From: tsai@ikos.com (Finney T. Tsai) Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins question :> :> the c'twins box contains 10 CD *singles* and EPs, which include a few :> album tracks. some of these EPs were released in pairs as album :> length CDs by 4AD -- if you bought the original imports, you may find :> the box unecessary (this footah, of course, found it quite necessary :> to buy two, mm, three actually, though only one was kept :) if you :> bought the american from capitol then you can bloody well afford the :> box, which is good because it is, then, necessary ;) Really? As far as I know there are lots of overlaps between the imports and Capital versions. So would you explain this more? Or should we cross-post to the 4AD list? :) -finney ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:57:25 -0600 From: kennel@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Chris Kennel) Subject: re: Rock On With the recent talk of the song "Rock On," I can confirm that a couple of years ago there was indeed a remake (as we all know :]) and that it was done by Michael Damien, the oh-so-cool (what _is_ that sarcastic symbol?? :] ) "rocker" on the soap "The Young and the Restless." He plays Danny Romulati (sp) and yes, we had to endure him singing the song on Y&R! ob Happy content: I got "Warpaint" a few months back and love it! I'm anxious to see if "Equipoise" will be in the Iowa City stores. I mentioned back a few weeks ago that one could find ALL of the CDs here in IC, but then we aren't like the rest of Iowa :) --christine kennel ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 13:03:49 PST From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Equipoise - Not! > A friend of mine shared a guilty pleasure in the form of a band >that I had completed blocked out ("the mind forgets the things it >can't handle!")! She has and still listens to 10cc. You know of >"Love is Like Oxygen" and "Things We do for Love Fame". "Love is Like Oxygen"? NOT! That was the band Sweet. They also did wonder hits like "Ballroom Blitz" (covered in _Wayne's World_). I actually like about 1/3 of the _Level Headed_ album and about the same of the _Give Us a Wink_ album. 10cc? Yeah, they were good for about three albums: _Deceptive Bends_, from which came "Things We Do For Love" (and about 10 songs better than that one), _How Dare You_, which had some minor near-hits, and before that, _The Original Soundtrack_, which had their most-likely most famous song (it's so famous, I forgot what its name is!). I actually listen to them fairly often, especially _Deceptive Bends_. Good cover artwork on the LP as well. -- John (who still hasn't received _Equipause_ [sic]) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 16:18:06 EST From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: closer, than before I *really* love "closer". it is good music to work to.. jessica ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Equipoise - Not! Date: Mon, 08 Feb 93 16:18:57 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Michael B. writes: > Maybe today I'll receive Equipoise and be able to talk about my >opinions of it! Meantime I'll just live vicariously through those >lucky few who have it and post little titbits about it! Please just >some crumbs or little table scrapes is all I ask! I'll be good I >promise! ;-) OK, OK here are some more random thoughts on each song of the album. :) > - Michael B. (who spends his nights staring at his mailbox just >dreaming a little dream!) :) Last week I dreamt I woke up one morning and there were 4 messages (14514 bytes) waiting for me in my e-mail box, one of which was from Vickie describing Equipoise. I am serious... :) SO here we go... (yet another ^L :) ) Runners The first track of the album, starts the music going with a beat, and with poignant humourous lyrics, sang from the point of view of an obsessive compulsive who finds threat in everything. An ironic look at the multitude of man made dangers that surround us, and what can happen if we suddenly start being obsessed by them. Dancy, with a nice use of both registers of Happy's voice. He will come - The flight A diptych about vampires, inspired I presume by Bram Stoker's 'Dracula', written more than a year ago which sounds as good on record as it sounded live last year in Happy's Philadelphia and Albany concerts. Nice acoustic guitar work in the first song, and then a change of pace and rythm in the second song. 'His chest is bared and ready for her hand/stake' are alternated in the refrain of the flight. Great descriptive lyrics recreate the feel of the novel and most recently the movie. A song about a love that is immortal. Out like a lamb A wonderful song about a lost special person. The song has a very dramatic feel, and a wonderful structure with tempo changes, that represent mood changes, and a synergy between music/lyrics/vocals. Save our souls A song about the futility of the conquests of mankind, and the quest to meet alien beings in hope that they will provide the solutions to our own problems. An SOS for humanity, is indeed a very moving experience. Closer A Brecht/Weil type song, with a playful structure and an emotional vocal delivery by Kelly Bird. Haven't studied the lyrics carefully to understand what it's about. Temporary and eternal Life in rewind. A retrospect on two lives that have just ended. A song that takes place on the border between reality and the paranormal. Great guitar work by Happy adds to the mood (and slightly reminds me of the feeling evoked by the acoustic guitar on Sting's 'Saint Agnes and the burning bush'). Cohabitants The concept of duality of human nature, analyzed and vocalized in a dramatic effect. The darker self breaks out and threatens the security and well-being of the person. A haunting song, with haunting vocal effects in a non-conventional setting. Probably inspired the cover of Equipoise. Play the Game 'I want to play the game by my rules, yours don't apply to me'. A feminist statement, or a statement against prejudice/bigotry. Each person has his/her own rules. Mother Sea Piano/seagulls accompany Happy's 'high' voice in a wonderful song. I say Another anthem for individuality. Great bass played by Kevin. Features a really low Happy voice, lower than 'Beat it out', juxtaposed by a nice high voice. Truly awesome song. So there.... All opinions are subject to criticism, and open to questions, as these are my current thoughts about each of the songs on the album. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 16:26:44 EST From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins question finney refoots: > Really? As far as I know there are lots of overlaps between the imports and > Capital versions. So would you explain this more? Or should we > cross-post to the 4AD list? :) there are, indeed, lots of overlaps -- in fact, the later albums are identical. the 4AD CD release of _garlands_, however, contains the lullabies EP and some john peel tracks (not in the box set, alas), and i am honestly not sure if capitol released the double EP CDs of "tiny dynamine/echoes in a shallow bay" and "head over heels/sunburst and snowblind"... suffice it to say that if the disc titles i listed don't sound familiar, you probably don't have the songs therein contained... :) foo! tah! -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 8 Feb 93 16:28:50 EST Subject: Re: Equipoise - Not! John says: > "Love is Like Oxygen"? NOT! That was the band Sweet. Eeeeek! I'm wrong! Kill me now and spare me from further humiliating myself! I'm just "a pimple on the buttocks of the world" and an unthinking worm. A thousand pardons. ;-) - Michael B. "the imperfect one" :-( ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)