Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #166 ecto, Number 166 Monday, 17 February 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: ecto #165 Wheelchairs in Marathons Horse Designed by a Committee The Other Silly Sister Fluffy, very fluffy Glimpses of KaTe department Wheelchairs in Marathons RE: olympics Drowning Duffers Braindeath ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1992 18:51 EST From: Hilary Sachs Subject: Re: ecto #165 Hi, I just wanted to comment on Steve VanDevender's query about Robyn Hitchcock. I went to see him here (in Knoxville TN) a few weeks ago and thought he was great. All I knew of him was the few songs that get airplay on XPN (I visit Philly sometimes. That's the only place I hear HR, too...). Anyway, he's this rather normal looking British guy, who is really quite crazy, an excellent guitarist, and who puts on a great show. He tells crazy stories between songs, and he and his two 'Egyptians' make quite a lot of music for 3 guys. He's definitely worth seeing, IMHO. I hope you enjoy the concert--I did and just bought another of his CDs today! Hilary Sachs ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Feb 92 14:47 GMT From: Merow!! ok..HAPPY news from the sick Ecto-Cat... i am feeling better....MUCHO better...good enough to go to class *groan* but...at least i am improving..not worsening!! thank to everyone who sent me pity/sympathy mail..i appreciated it all!! i tried to send back to everyone but as my mind has been blue and fuzzy lately..please excuse me if i left anyone out!!! news: i have a candidate for tape cover of the next Happy project... let me just hint that it is monsterish..and comes from a graveyard in Paris.. anyone intrigued?? i will send a copy to VIckie and if she approves..then you all might get to see if..but is its vetoed..i will reveal EXACTLY what it is..ok? VIsh..keep quiet!! ok??? i alrady spilled a little to him!! mew! feeling better but still weak enough to stay out of class..(when its convenient!! heheheheheh) mew! COurt.. (sorry about those _6_ messages!!! blame my @#$#$%&*&*$ mailer..sorry for my profanity..full moon's tomorrow..all the excuse i need!! mew!!) ======================================================================== From: Steve Fagg Subject: Wheelchairs in Marathons Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 9:06:45 BST I was very surprised and disappointed to hear about the attitude of the New York marathon organisers to wheelchair participants. The London marathon seems to treat them much better. The chair race is an official part of the event and gets quite a lot of media coverage, including live nationwide TV. Steve V., if you ever do turn pro. I hope we'll see you racing in London sometime! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ESN-742-2437) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: Steve Fagg Subject: Horse Designed by a Committee Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 9:13:55 BST Klaus mentioned Camel in passing. Does anybody else on this list remember them? Apart from "The Snow Goose" which I found too pretentious, I enjoyed all their albums until (by about the time of "The Single Factor") the spirit seemed to depart. Only a few of their albums seem to have appeared yet on CD, I'm still hoping to find "Breathless" and (?"Moondawn"). I always considered their music to be in a similar vein to the likes of Caravan, Hatfield & the North, &c. whence Dave (not the one in the Eurythmics) Stewart. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ESN-742-2437) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: Steve Fagg Subject: The Other Silly Sister Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 9:21:55 BST As part of the sporadic mention of June Tabor, Vickie mentioned that she had both the Silly Sisters albums that June made with Maddy Prior of Steeleye Span. Is anybody out there aware of the two albums of her own songs that Maddy released immediately after Steeleye Span broke up (the first time)? They were "Woman in the Wings" (1978) and "Changing Winds" (1979) and were released on the Chrysalis label. I'd be very interested to get CD copies of these two. I guess they can't have sold too well, or Maddy would have gone on to make more albums like them, instead of trundling around with various incarnations of a reformed Steeleye Span that seems to have lost all the sparkle of the original band. Any information very gratefully received. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ESN-742-2437) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: Fluffy, very fluffy Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 2:42:12 CST Vickie here. I've been pretty involved with watching the Olympics and haven't been at the keyboard much lately but to catch up on a couple of things... Fuzzy FuBlu welcomes to Michael Kaufman and Richard Chen!!! Welcome back to Sammy Tao!!! We lost a few people, but I haven't quite figured out who yet. Kiri & Court's sis Michy went bye :-(, I did notice that. Barry, you asked, and I counted. We're up to 79 Ectophiles now! I wish I had waited to do the Ecto SiG, because we got a bunch of new people who didn't get a thank you on the tape. Well, so here's a ***THANK YOU***!! That's one reason why the next version won't have any names on it, I hate the feeling that I'm leaving people out. I haven't talked to H&K so I have no news to report. I might call in the next couple of days to see what's going on. Court, I'm glad you're feeling better. Don't try too much too soon or you'll end up back in the sickbed. Take care. Farewell to Claudia, Hello to Claudia! How was your trip back to Germany? Thanks for the statistics, I saved them to file but haven't had a chance to really look closely at them. I'll make the corrections to Jokey and Mike Peskura's listings (Gremlins in the keyboard :-) ) Steve VanD, I agree with Hilary (hi!) and say that you will probably enjoy Robyn. I myself have missed him every single time he's toured. :-( He's definitely weird and warped, but quite wonderful! I'm missing so many great concerts...boo hoo! I'm going to miss seeing Siouxsie & the Banshees *BOO HOO* and a few other I can't remember. The last concert I went to was M7X, and, though I got it free (promo tix from the band) it cost us $60.00. I lost my monthly bus pass that night. (Waaa, just bought it that day and had only used it once..ironically, Chris lost his a few days later. Pffft! $120.00 out the window...teach us to buy *weekly* passes!) Anyway, Moon Seven Times (M7x) was a wonderful concert. Ken Brownfield wants me to write about it, but I don't have much to say. Depression (from losing the bus pass) and AweFear (from being in the same room and actually *meeting* Lynn Canfield..a definite Angels Hall of Fame member) was enough to turn that night into a blur for me. I mainly remember the wash of wonderful music, of trying to cope with the fact that Lynn, who's voice I'd been deeply in love with for years, was only a few feet away from me, being overcome with joy and wonder when the band played a song from the Area album _The Perfect Dream_ (which ranks among my all-time favorite non-K/J/H/P albums), and my shyness coming back to haunt me with a vengeance. I was so shy that I was *terrified* of meeting Lynn. I'd talked with Henry Frayne (head honcho writer/nice guy for Moon Seven Times) and he had given me (months ago) Lynn's home phone number, but I never could bring myself to call her. Meeting her was even worse. I just could not get up the nerve to approach her. Chris kept saying "go on, go on" and I kept saying "I will, I will" but I couldn't. Henry was the one to introduce us. Now, of course, once we shook hands and started talking, everything was Ok. She's very, *very* nice, sweet and natural. There was no reason for me to be so nervous and scared, but I was, and I don't know why. It was a very strange night. Ken B, you're the M7x expert, you should write a bit about the band for those who are unfamiliar with them. It was very very odd seeing this band in a bar, with less than 50 people in the room. Lynn is someone I'd pictured going to see in heaven's Angels Lounge, with clouds floating by out the windows, seated in big, fluffy, hovering white cushions, feeling high as a kite watching Lynn in a long flowing white gossamer gown with a halo-ish glow around her head and listening to her beautiful angelic voice, melting with ecstasy! Well, that's also how I pictured seeing Julee Cruise, another Angel, yet there wasn't a cloud (or comfy chair) in sight at that concert. Strangely, though Happy is certainly an Angel, I can only picture seeing her in a tiny, dark, smoky beatnik-type coffeehouse, with everybody, including Happy, sitting cross-legged on the floor. Go figure. How do I picture Kate? Ha! Not at all. Seriously, whenever I try to get a grip in my mind about what it might be like, my mind goes blank. I feel like Lot's wife...dare not look, dare not even *think* about it. Or else...:-) I just saw the new Concrete Blonde video. Johnette looks *great!* and the song is a lot of fun. I like the rock/country mixture, I wonder if it's the only song like it on the forthcoming album. Well, back to dubbing Olympic tapes. I'm a Winter Olympics nut, though I didn't tape the *entire* thing this time like I did in 1988. I'm using a lot of those tapes to get the highlights (especially skating) of these games. I've been fast forwarding through the '88 tapes making sure I'm not dubbing over something really important (like skating ;-) ) before using them. It's a bit surreal, I'll be watching an '88 tape and see skiers going down the hill and then press stop and see skiers going down the hill. It's hard to keep track of what I'm watching. Not as surreal, but just as strange, is checking my tapes of the 88 Summer games (which I taped quite a bit of, but never watched because the Summer games aren't as important to me) and go from runners sweating in Korea to bundled-up skiers in Calgary. At the time of both Olympics in '88, Chris worked at a place where we got videotape at *very* cheap prices, so I stocked up. Sitting in front of me are tapes marked "Mon 9/19/88 6am- 9am, 3pm-6pm" and there are dozens of them, both Summer and Winter. It's absolutely insane! They've just been sitting in boxes for 4 years and now they're spread out all over the living room. Chris says I have an obsessive personality, but I don't know why :-) Ice Dancing long program tonight!!! Oh joy, oh bliss!!! Vickie ======================================================================== From: Steve Fagg Subject: Glimpses of KaTe department Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 11:37:17 BST Noticed KaTe (sans Del) in the front row of the invited audience of arts & media types at a televised meeting to mark the third anniversary of the Rushdie Fatwah. Rushdie himself made an unscheduled but widely anticipated appearance at the end of the meeting. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ESN-742-2437) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 10:10:38 PST From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Wheelchairs in Marathons Steve Fagg writes: > I was very surprised and disappointed to hear about the attitude of > the New York marathon organisers to wheelchair participants. The > London marathon seems to treat them much better. The chair race is an > official part of the event and gets quite a lot of media coverage, > including live nationwide TV. Steve V., if you ever do turn pro. I > hope we'll see you racing in London sometime! The New York Marathon is a glaring exception among major U.S. road races. Nearly every other national-level race has an official wheelchair division, often with its own prize money and travel compensation budget. I got started on wheelchair racing at local races here in Eugene, where even the smallest races have no qualms about wheelchair racers entering. Someone I have been skiing with is trying to take his daughter to the London Marathon this year. I will be interested to hear how that goes for them. I have this large "International Marathons" poster I got at the Portland Marathon some time ago which lists the member marathons, including London. I have considered seeing how many of the names I can cross off the list. (Berlin, Boston, Buffalo-Niagara Falls, Chicago, Frankfurt, Honolulu, Madrid, and more!) > *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** I guess while I'm here I'll ask. Where is this quote from? ======================================================================== From: Kiri is ectO Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1992 13:29:23 EST Subject: RE: olympics Vickie writes about Olympics: Tell me about it! My roommate and I have been watching the Olympics non-stop since it started. We are lucky enough to receive CBC and CBS and of course TNT so we watch every event at least 3 times a day. CBC (Canadian) gets the award for the best coverage. CBS pales dramatically in comparison - in a word they SUCK. CBC has coverage at least 12 hours a day, they don't have queer commentators, and they show almost ALL of an event - not just the highlights. I was VERY disappointed watching CBS coverage of the opening compared to CBC's who showed everything. If anyone wants the whole bungie-ballet segment of the opening ceremony I have it on tape. It's a shame that the Americans have to rely so heavily on advertisements and commercialism instead of showing the competition. Anyway we are having the best time watching the Olympics. We cheered for the Jamaican bobsled team, which are our favorites :) I too can't wait to see ice-dancing tonight, although they will probably be on CBC before then :) Yes, Ken do tell more about M7x I am curious to hear more impressions. I almost bought Solace the other day, but Bob Marley beat her out. :) kIrI -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Black room mirror echoes hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu< > Warm blood tickles ebony lips Kirstin A. Hargie (kIrI)< > tear the cracking bone asunder "Just another 20-something< > set to grovel screams American Gothic." < > fire whips < ----------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: Steve Fagg Subject: Drowning Duffers Date: Mon, 17 Feb 92 19:04:35 BST Steve VanDevender writes: > Steve Fagg writes: > > *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** > > I guess while I'm here I'll ask. Where is this quote from? > I was wondering when somebody was going to ask that :-) It is in fact a quotation of fundamental significance from the first chapter of the classic book "Swallows & Amazons" by Arthur Ransome. Thanks to a discussion about this series of books in rec.arts.books a few months ago I have begun re-reading them for the first time in over twenty years. So far I have re-read "Swallows & Amazons" itself and "Swallowdale", I'm reading them in strict order and carefully spread out amongst my other reading (I have a shelf of books to be read which is typically about a year long) so as to make the most of them. There are twelve books in all and they are truly delightful. Object lessons in how to write a childrens book, they succeed completely in taking the reader into the child's world within an adult setting in the real world. As a child I devoured them for the plots, now I savour the writing (and still think the plots are pretty neat). The books centre around a small group of children and the sailing holidays they have in the English Lake District, though as the series progresses the cast is increased and the locations move further afield (even getting to China at one point). The books are set approximately in the early 1930s but this is only of marginal importance, in a very real sense they are timeless. I thoroughly recommend these books to all discriminating readers. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ESN-742-2437) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: 17-FEB-1992 15:54:18.61 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Braindeath Hi! Well, hey- I went away for the weekend and came back to only one ecto Digest- I don't know whether to laugh or cry. :) Klaus, ich moechte gern die Rainbirds-Karte haben.... :) :) :) I'm too zonked to do much but type babble, however a few notes: My eaten tape got fixed. Woj of the Magic Fingers strikes again... ;) Klaus, all the dubbed movies and shows I saw in Germany were pretty appalling- maybe I was just seeing the wrong things, but I dunno. I guess seeing people I knew with voices that just did NOT fit them at all made it horrible. I saw "Wild at Heart" overdubbed, and Nicolas Cage talked like Miles on Murphy Brown (=high and nasal). "Henry and June" wasn't too bad, except Uma Thurman sounded like Betty Rubble. It was indeed painful. I wore my T-shirt to the Con yesterday, and managed to get one comment: "Is that the scholarship or the island?" To which I replied, "No, the woman." I confused him greatly. It was fun. :) *---------------------------------------------* | Meredith Tarr | | *** | | "Living in the gap between past and future" | | *** | | mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu | *---------------------------------------------* ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)