Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #156 ecto, Number 156 Friday, 7 February 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Blue/Yellow Drink Point and Pull Lyrics Clannad Tiny fluff (tm) Capture the flag? Die Gedanken Sind Gebraten? Will the perturbations never cease? Ecto Flag ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 22:12:50 CST From: (Jeff "Chip" Lueck) Subject: Blue/Yellow Drink I'll bet if you take some Dole Pineapple/Bananna juice, mix it with rum and add some blue curacao you'd have a blue-looking/yellow-tasting drink. If you want just a blue drink, you could make blue whale: Sweet/Sour Mix blue curacao rum vodka gin tequila and a splash of cola. [And don't drive home! :) ] Jeff "Chip" Lueck Northwestern University chip-l@nwu.edu HRA-Training Division or jlueck@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (708) 467-1897 ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Point and Pull Lyrics Date: Thu, 06 Feb 92 23:43:47 EST THis is my favorite of the demos (at this point). If Kevin did indeed write these lyrics, I wonder why his stuff is instrumental. He has a way with words. I also wonder if these songs will remain in the AG vaults and the SiG tape, or if they will be among the unreleased goodies to embellish the already amazing 1st4. Rough draft #1 -------------- No one ever lives to tell the tale of the dying Soldiers never see the mothers crying Big man stands so tall behind it Heroes don't lose nerve, they find it Strong is human who does battle with speech But language is not what our fathers teach Kill the enemy, just crush the living thing Then turn your head from fear and never feel the sting Chorus: All it takes is point and pull Look into the eyes A wolf in the rush of [the] power People ??? a war in other places Sons will perish without names or faces It's easy to be blind, it's hard to see Our freedom comes not from our weaponry Chorus Once in hand the madman is unleashed Screams lay idle on the lips of ?? I melt the metal over killing hands Cause all psychotics carry out their plans ============================================================ Who ever said political can't be personal? This song works for me in so many levels... In ect-awe Angelos +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ ======================================================================== From: guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Subject: Clannad Date: Fri, 7 Feb 92 8:05:20 CST You people are amazing! I ask one simple question about Clannad and I find out everything I need to know. Thanks to those of you who responded. I'm off to the record shop with lists in hand. BTW, I already have _PastPresent_ and one of the very early ones (can't remember the name right off hand...). I heard Clannad originally on the Happy Rhodes radio station in town, KTCZ. Ok, I'm gonna push my luck a bit now and ask about one more person -- Heidi Berry. I've heard one track off some album (that old KTCZ thang again) and want to hear more. Suggestions/recommendations? -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 7 Feb 92 10:44:28 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Tiny fluff (tm) Greetings, Happy birthday to Gene Sady! Enjoy your Happy day. Meredith fires back: Doug, if it wasn't hail, then what *do* you call round chunks of ice around 1cm in diameter pelting you from above? Mutant snow? ;) Global warming! Global warming! It's all due to global warming! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: 7 February 1992 11:24:03 CST From: Subject: Capture the flag? Vickie's observation the other day that ecto was born out of flame wars on gaffa has given me an idea for, of all things, an ecto flag. The state flag of Nevada, as fate would have it, consists of a blue field with a device in the corner consisting of a star, olive branches, and the words "Battle Born." If we could somehow finagle the state administration out there into selling us the rights to the design (perhaps swapping them a replacement design of some sort, like maybe a foot-long cockroach rampant atop a slot machine--a Nevadan once told me that such postnuclear mutants are the principal population in some parts of the state), we could then subject it to some stone washing (like some designer jeans on the market), and a little application of whatever kind of tool they use to make lacunae in the patellar regions (also like some _premium_ designer jeans on the market), and we'd have a flag that was at once fuzzy, blue, and battle-born. Should it be desired to keep any residual Nevada connotations attached to the thing, we could always rationalize that it resembles Jerry Tarkanian's trademark towel after a season of handling by him :-). Mitch Pravatiner _________________________ "Plagiarize/Let no one else's work evade your eyes/Remember why the good lord made your eyes/So don't shade your eyes/But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize/ (Only be sure always to call it 'Research')" --Tom Lehrer, "Lobachevsky" ======================================================================== Mitch, there were 5 of the previous message (weird) and two of the next in addition to it, so i deleted anything in excess.. --jessica ======================================================================== Date: 7 February 1992 12:29:10 CST From: Subject: Will the perturbations never cease? (The last note, thanks to an electronic glitch, went out before I was done preparing it. It should really have been as follows.--M.P.) ========================================================================= Date: 7 February 1992 11:43:33 CST From: To: Subject: Die Gedanken Sind Gebraten? (Begin digression on linguistic exigencies) The subject line translates literally as "The [more idiomatically, my] Thoughts Are Fried." This nicely sums up the way I feel at the moment, as I try to steal a few moments from the task of updating the Chicago Sociological Practice Association's 1200-name mailing label file, in preparation for our Feb ruary newsletter mailing. I initially thought of mixing my linguistic metaphor s, and calling it "Die Gedanken Sind Fried," but it dawned on me that if the last word were pronounced as correct German rather than English, it came out as "my thoughts are peace" (peaceful, at peace)--somewhat the opposite of what I really want to convey. I then thought of "Die Gedanken Sind Freid," but it occurred to me that aside from not being a standard word, it isn't that diff- erent from the phrase it spoofs. I finally decided to do it straight, and was delighted to see that it comes out with alliteration at both the beginn- ings and ends of the words. Ain't bilingualism a bitch? :-) :-) At least, by splitting this off from my last posting, I increase the odds that only my thoughts, rather than anyone's mail reader, will be fried. (I guess I'm still punchy from taking two days two write my megapost of earlier in the week.) (end of digression) Claudia wrote: >Remarkable. Where do you dig up old stuff like this? As I mentioned a couple of days ago, I transcribed it from the Old Town School of Folk Music's compilation tape of songs by the late Win Stracke (good German-American name, that :-) ); the particular translation/interpretation on the tape is his. The problematic quality of the source recording was the cause of my mangling a couple of the lines from the first verse. My deep appreciatio n to Claudia for setting the record straight. >Die Gedanken sind frei >My thoughts really flower Mmmh, I don't feel these lines really >Die Gedanken sind frei >My thoughts give me power get the idea. I'm sure that practically any English translation will alter the original text substantially, to fit into the rhyme and meter scheme. To take a trivial example, to translate "Kein Mensch kann sie wissen/Kein Jaeger erschiessen" accurately, as "No person can know them/No hunter shoot them to death" wouldn't fit the tune as well as "No scholar can map them/No hunter can trap them" (or my proposed update for the information age, "No sysop can zap them"), to say nothing of sounding less poetic. With all this in mind, it would really be interesting to examine the full German lyrics, to see just what all has been lost in translation. >Saying (or singing) these things aloud could get you thrown in a prison in >these times. I'm uncertain if you mean "those times," or these times at certain other places. While these conditions do still exist in some parts of the world, I am unaware of it being the case in any part of Germany in the last two years or so. Well--having taken more time than is pragmatic to do the task I enjoy at this terminal (writing for ecto), I must now return to the task I don't enjoy (reviewing, updating, and sometimes deleting several hundre d more label-file records). If I come out of it alive--to quote that redoubtable German-speaker, Arnold the Terminator--I'll be back. Mitch ======================================================================== From: kIrI In Ecto On Phobos Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1992 15:51:35 EST Subject: Ecto Flag Hahahahah. Ya know..this would be a great thing to have at the concert to wave around like obnoxious people :) Hey it's a fact that when you bring big banners and things to concerts you'll get videotaped - if they are taping that is. How about the fuzzy blue pizza. When I was making homemade pizza last night I suddenly (for some unknown reason) remembered what (s*)Itza's used to make on st. patricks day - green pizza. All you do is put food coloring into the pizza dough, and there you have it a green, yellow, red, or BLUE pizza. Believe me it looks gross but tastes exactly the same. Cathy asks about Heidi Barry (i think): you've got me stumped...never heard of her. I've now listened to the Ecto Sig and HGP's a fair number of times and still can't believe how wonderful they are. Everyone's selection for the HGP was fantastic...there isn't one song I don't enjoy. Justin: is that music you picked in any movies...I swear it sounds so familiar?? The Ecto SIg is simply wonderful. I love the interviews mixed in - they are zombaloomamooma! i.e. wonderful beyond wonderful. Vickie you did a marvelous marvelous job, I can't wait for the next one :) Speaking of movies: everyone should see La Femme Nikita. It's brilliant. It's twisted and bizarre, but so much fun to watch. Quasi feminists will get a kick out of the womenly women Nikita, who kicks some major male booty. Both my roommate and I were going bananas over this film, i.e. making comments like "Yes!, allright, way to go" etc. thruout ...I doublehighginormomassively recommend seeing this film if you haven't already. kIrI -- _ |< | | ) | ^o o^ hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | \ \\I// "People who are easily shocked should be -vv- Shocked more often" Mae West ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)