Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #153 ecto, Number 153 Thursday, 6 February 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* intro warmroom and the chilling effect stevev sees live music ectowawa Quote Of The Year! In Vitro Old people's music!! :-) From the drawing board to reality--sort of? ======================================================================== From: xenox!inphobos!klaus@horga.ruhr.de Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 00:28 MEZ Subject: Diverses From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Message-ID: <7Z3oFB1w164w@inphobos.w.open.de> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 92 22:27:17 GMT Organization: Ectophiles Unlimited, Wuppertal, Germany Steve Fagg gave me a surprise: > >11) Klaus Kluge > > Manfred Mann's Plain Misic - "Instrumedicine Song" > [ ^^^^^oops, Music of course ] > Somehow this is *EXACTLY* the kind of song I'd have expected Klaus to > pick. Don't know why, I know him no better than any of you (i.e. not > at all), but somehow it fit perfectly. I don't know, shall I laugh or shall I cry? Am I that predictable? Meredith wrote: > Happyvangelization. And it was even a Sunday, too... :> Aah, shopping on a sunday. It was nice to be able to do that while in Boston, which you can't do over here. > From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu > Date: Sun, 02 Feb 92 23:55:34 EST > Before I forget, Thanks Klaus for the Rainbirds report! Wow! That means you _could_ read it on sunday! Angelos again: > Peter Gabriel's 'The blood of Eden' is worth the admission price by itself. > If this is an indication of what his new album will be like, then the wait > was worth it! Are you saying that there's a PG song in the movie which is not on the soundtrack? What a pity. There are some songs on it that I wouldn't mind to have replaced with that one. Let's see if the film is running in Wuppertal. Doug inquired: (it's great that you can go!) > * Have any Ectophile events been planned for either concert? In between? After the concert! There is the European Ectophile Party, on March 28 in Phobos ... er ... Wuppertal, Germany. ;) Details in 2-3 weeks when Claudia is back, but it will happen and the date is fixed now. Something I asked before, but probably too early: how do the tickets for the Happy concert look like? Just the name? The Warpaint cover? ___________________________________________________________ ( "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. ) ) Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." ( / countdown: 11 days --- Happy Rhodes --- \ / Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de \ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1992 06:59:45 EST From: eperry@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: intro Newcomer Beth here. First I'd like to say thanks to Vickie and Doug for their welcome to we newcomers. I guess that's just another example of the fuzzy-blue atmosphere which prevails... Also thanks Vickie for all of the info. on Happy Rhodes, her albums, Ecto projects and the mailing list. You managed to answer pretty well all of the questions I had! So who am I and how did I hear about Happy? Second part first: My good bud, Geoff Carre (a lurker on this mailing list) played _Warpaint_ for me ages ago and I loved it immediately. Being the sweet guy that he is, he made me a tape and that was it...I was hooked. When Geoff told me that there were 4 tapes I started bugging him for the address which he never managed to give me. Now I know why, and you folks probably do too. He gave me the 1st4 + Wp for Xmas!! I love all of the tapes! Honest Vickie, I'll send my first impressions at some point. First part second: I'm not sure what to tell you... Can I just skip this part? ...OK, OK! ...For the birthday list: 21 May 1957 (yes, I recognized the Monkee songs). I think of myself as a mesomorph, tending toward ectomorphic during periods of stress. I also have to say that I sympathize with Merow. I too am very envious when I read the Happy concert hubbub. Even the mention of Loreen McKennitt's concert in Montreal is depressing. Ah well, that's what you get for living in the most easterly city in North America, and on an island no less. I listen to all sorts of music but my current favourites are: Laurie Anderson, Loreena McKennitt (obviously), This Mortal Coil, Peter Gabriel, Trio Bulgarka and OF COURSE Happy. That's enough for now. At least I've attempted to introduce myself and won't just be the Beth at the end of Vickie's 'waiting-for-tapes-from' list. BTW, the tapes will be in the mail today or tomorrow Vickie but don't worry if you don't see them for awhile - not only are we in the middle of another (3rd this MONTH) 'shut-the-city-down' blizzard BUT Canada Post is notorious... Glad to be an Ectophile! Beth ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 02:31:05 PST From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: warmroom and the chilling effect Vickie makes some good points in defense of the warmroom mailing list, and I have perhaps been a little too harsh of my criticism of it in gaffa, but there are some things about it which still make me uncomfortable with joining it. First of all, I simply do not trust the idea of utopia by design. Whatever similarity there is between the circumstances of the creation of ecto and the creation of warmroom, ecto was not created to have a fuzzy blue atmosphere. It has developed one by chance. Perhaps warmroom will also develop one, and I hope that its subscribers will enjoy it. Second, the latest version of Jorn's membership policy that I have seen said, so far as I can tell, that the members will decide what is rude and whether someone should be excluded for rudeness. Let me first say that Jorn can run his list in any way he wants. But . . . if that is to be his policy then I am just as uncomfortable with a tyranny of the masses as with a tyranny of one. If a person becomes unpopular, and therefore is considered to be rude, and therefore must be excluded, then I cannot feel comfortable in a forum where such things can happen, whether to me or to someone else. However, as long as the warmroom memberhsip policies are described to prospective members so they can decide whether or not they feel comfortable joining, then I would consider that fair no matter what the membership policies might be. I was once one of the chief administrators of a large bulletin board system where we had to make rules to deal with the sort of problem that Jorn sees in gaffa. We eventually decided on a "no personal attacks" rule that was more vague than I might have hoped for, but which was sufficiently specific and tolerable to our membership and which deterred people from gratuitously insulting each other. Being an anarchist at heart, though, I would rather risk being flamed in a completely open forum than be in one where politeness is mandatory. And aside from those philosophical problems, my mailbox is quite full all the time (I have not logged in since last night and I have over 40 new messages which I am nearly done with), and I am also not sure I feel compatible with a deeply emotional atmosphere, because I am not a particularly emotional person. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 02:59:23 PST From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: stevev sees live music The reason I'm up so late tonight (the date in the headers should correspond to 2:30 AM PST) is that I got back from the Rush concert in Portland at about 1:00 and have been trying to catch up on my mail ever since. If you like some kinds of boyz-with-guitarz music, you really should see Rush live. I am hardly rabid enough to join alt.rock-n-roll.rush or whatever mailing list it is that caters to Rush fans, since as far as I could tell from reading alt.rock-n-roll during a long boring period some time ago Rush fans may be even more dangerous than gaffans. However, I've been a fan for a long time. It started when my brother left his The Cars phase and entered his Rush phase. I had to either learn to enjoy Rush or go mad. I may have done both. (Fortunately he was also going through a minor Thomas Dolby phase at the time which is why I also like Dolby now.) My brother started with _Grace Under Pressure_, which is one of their more intense and emotionally involved albums. I have since come to really like New Rush (the post-_Hemispheres_ phase) while my brother instead went back in time to like Old Rush more. Rush keeps their appeal for me for a few important reasons. They write many songs with a lot of emotional honesty. They have a reputation for integrity and professionalism that is rare for a band usually classified close to heavy metal--you don't hear stories about them trashing hotel rooms. Whether or not you like their music, they are talented musicians. In particular, their drummer Neil Peart is of godlike talent--and writes all their lyrics. And, what inspires me to write this here at all, is that they have a live show second only to Kate Bush's (well, OK, perhaps third to Kate and Happy, or fourth to Kate and Jane and Happy . . . ), at least of what few live shows I've seen. My ears are still ringing. You know how if you overproduce a show it can seem really contrived? Well, the best I can describe a Rush concert is that it is so full of lighting and special effects and tightly-played loud music that its overproduction goes beyond looking contrived to looking natural again. They are so good at doing stage shows that there is no appearance of contrivance even though it is so tightly done and carefully orchestrated. I must sign off because the Grey Lady is about to go down for backups. See you all again soon. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 07:55:03 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: ectowawa jessica sez: >I got some info about Update, a music newsletter. >It soudns fairly interesting - if anyone's intersted i'll >send it to ecto - I just didn't want to send it if it's >soemthing you've all heard of already. a friend of mine is running this. it's a fairly good e-zine too - he has a lot of good response from the music industry on it and the people who work with him are good writers and very enthusiastic about their work. i should add that the ezine's emphasis is primarily metal though. if that does not interest you, you might want to skip update (but don't let me discourage you from it if you are interested...i did check out one item on its recommendation: mark wood, a heavy metal violinist who does every- thing with a violin that a guitarist does and a little bit more). dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) sez: >[BTW. Thanks to woj for giving me a more appropriate subject line! :) ] credit-where-credit-is-due-dept: that term started out on adnd-l a few years ago - people used that term to refer to fiction written specifically for the list. since then, that idea has spread to a number of other lists as well. while what goes on here is not specifically fluff by that defini- tion, it's close enough... ;) N_HAYS@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au sez: >It's amazing how much the whole ecto thing has >infiltrated my life, despite the fact I have so much other stuff I should >be doing with my time. no kidding. i was thinking about this a few days ago whilst i was putting the htr key ring on my all-ready over-burdened key ring (i have this fetish for large and bulky key rings - it's the *real* reason why i was involved with so much extracirricular activities at school actually). i was also wearing the ecto-shirt at the same time. and it hit me how much that this thing that we have here has become a part of my life. strange, but i'm not regretting any of it. >In addition, has anyone heard of the duet called "In Vitro"? yeah (surprised?). i picked up their cd on a whim a year or so ago when i saw it in a bargain bin for $3. never say no to interesting looking things in the bargain bin is one of my policies in life. anyways, i like it - it is sometimes too poppy for me to handle (i love sugary music, but this can take the cake at times), but it is a lot of fun when you're in the mood for that kind of thing. i think michy liked it too - sent her a copy as soon as i could cos i know that she brakes for that kind of thing. gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) sez: >woj (which Klaus pronounces "voy", BTW, i like that ;) guffaw!! here i am as one of the people who sometimes can remember his long lost german and the way that my name would be pronounced auf deutsch completely slipped by me. sheesh! btw, i fell off my chair when i read that. it's so perfect that i think i just might change the official pronounciation of "woj" to /voy/. for the uninitiated, it's really pronounced something like /hwoaj/ with a hard j sound at the end - not the slurred /sh/ that some people have been saying it with - and a long o in the middle. geez, i wish my term- inal could do real phonetic characters... >ANYWAY woj, the nights swirl apart, and i see no end in sight... likewise and ditto. though i have been getting better. i figured out that i go into work one half hour later, i can sleep one hour and fifteen minutes longer. don't ask me to explain. it's shower politics. MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu sez: >So what's this Vickie, the ones at the end of the alphabet didn't get the >keychains? Screwed by my last name yet again. :) :) :) nah - it's a personal vendetta. 'w' comes after 't' last time i checked... foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) sez: >Also, as a quick followup to my last posting, I thought you might >like to know that I took my car dashboard apart late last night, and >recovered my HGP Vol II tape. that reminds me too: i lost my rearmament tape a few weekends ago. and then i found it last night - i had sillily left it in the $40 boom box that i fondly call my car stereo (which lives on the refridgerator when i'm not on the road). guess i left it there after a trip or something... jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu sez: >I'd like to >know, though, if any of you New York types can recommend any record stores >or book stores or anything else that might seem remotely interesting. record stores that i frequent include rebel rebel on bleecker street, st mark's sounds in the east village on st mark's place (an excellent selection of used and cutout lps/cds is what makes this a fave store of mine), second coming on sullivan, just south of 3rd st (a bit overpriced sometimes as far as import cds and stuff like that is concerned, but they have good prices on new vinyl which makes me happy), lunch for your ears on prince st (where i satisfy my knitting factory urges). as for book stores, check out the strand bookstore. i think it is on 5th ave and 12th st. *tons* of books of all shapes and sizes. new and used. all kinds of topics. i wish i had a aweek to browse through there. sez: > In last night's episode of _Northern Exposure_, one of the subplots con- >cerned Chris' quest for a cow suitable for tossing. snort! meredith told me about that. i found out today about something on a similar line: gazorching. it's an old carngei mellon university tradition which involves the catapulting of things (pies, rocks, pledges, whatever) from fraternity to fraternity. on similar lines, i also heard about a pig catapult on npr's all things con- sidered a few weeks ago which was trey amusing. but the topper by far is the gopher vacuum: a handy contraption with enough suction to pull a gopher out of its hole and deposit it in a soft cage for transportation. the in- ventor of the device describes it as "quite a ride" (i imagine that he tried it out then...). okay. time to go to work. sigh. woj ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 09:06:50 PST From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu Hey vickie, I would love to help your friend Suzanne out, but I've been looking for a public access site in NJ for years now, with no avail. This area is totally voicd when it comes to public access sites. Only suggestion is have her try to find a friend at a university or college in area and ask them to use their account. But hey if you do find a open site, please let me know. Barry ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 09:17:51 -0600 From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Subject: Quote Of The Year! Goes to Claudia (spix@sparc6a.harvard.edu): "looks blue and tastes yellow" Now, all I have to do is figure out where to use it. :) :) :) -- Harry Foster foster@convex.com "looks blue and tastes yellow" -Claudia Spix ======================================================================== From: kIrI In Ecto On Phobos Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1992 11:25:12 EST Subject: In Vitro On Feb 6, 7:55am, woj@remus.rutgers.edu wrote: } yeah (surprised?). i picked up their cd on a whim a year or so ago when i } saw it in a bargain bin for $3. never say no to interesting looking things } in the bargain bin is one of my policies in life. anyways, i like it - it } is sometimes too poppy for me to handle (i love sugary music, but this can } take the cake at times), but it is a lot of fun when you're in the mood for } that kind of thing. } } i think michy liked it too - sent her a copy as soon as i could cos i know } that she brakes for that kind of thing. }-- End of excerpt from woj@remus.rutgers.edu Michy then sent it to me. It is a bit poppy, and the lead vocalist has a bizarre voice - kinda like Sam Phillips but a little lower. Most of the time I like this album, but Woj is right you almsot have to be in the right mood to _really_ enjoy it. "But hey" if you find it cheap buy it. Speaking of Michy dear are you going to the concert?? Um...yes I think you are! kIrI :x -- _ |< | | ) | ^o o^ hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | \ \\I// "People who are easily shocked should be -vv- Shocked more often" Mae West ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 11:09:39 CST From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) Subject: Old people's music!! :-) Thanks for the clarification Vickie, re. Greg's list!! The next question is: Who are/were the Monkees ? A famous music group in the 60s/70s, perhaps ? And y'all don't need to feel *old*. My lack of knowledge has nothing to do with my age and everything to do with my foreign background. Actually I am old! Very, very old!! With hair falling out in clumps, and teeth by the dozen!! This weekend I bought CDs by Einsturzende Neubauten. This is one of the original groups that defined the genre of industrial music. Nothing like the techno dancey fluff going around these days!! ENs compositions are way cool, containing such sounds as the amplified hum of 220 volts, fork scratching metal, razor blades on mirrors, jackhammers, shopping carts etc. Sorry Vickie, I don't know a thing about modems! - Vish ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 12:16:16 EST From: David N. Blank-Edelman > Hey vickie, I would love to help your friend Suzanne out, but I've > been looking for a public access site in NJ for years now, with no > avail. This area is totally voicd when it comes to public access > sites. Howdy- My scan of the public UNIX site listings show two NJ sites: 12/91 201-759-8450^ tronsbox Belleville NJ 3/12/24/96 24 Generic 386, UNIX 3.2; Provides shell for some users, USENET, E-Mail (feeds available) at $15 a month flat; Multiple line (-8568 300 - 2400 baud). 06/91 908-297-8713^ kb2ear Kendall Park NJ 3/12/24/96 24 80286, SCO Xenix; No Fee; Shell Access, Usenet alt,rec,nj,sci,comp (readnews,vnews,rn,etc), Email (mush,elm,mailx); Mail and News feeds Available; Anonuucp login as "nuucp"; Contact: kb2ear@kb2ear.ampr.org (Scott R. Weis), 1-908-297-8713 If this doesn't do it, let me know what the nearest area codes are and I can try to find something which isn't too long distance. Another alternative is the use of PC Pursuit. Basically this is a service (which I have never used) which is provided by the people who run Telenet (a large data network). For a flat fee you dial a local number which connects you to a modem bank in the city of your choice in the US. Using that modem you can call any number local to that city. Basically, this makes data calls to all of the major cities a local call. Given this, there are many access sites available across the country. More info on request. disclaimer: I've never used any of these services, I would just like help everybody get connected. Peace, dNb ======================================================================== Date: 6 February 1992 11:17:49 CST From: Subject: From the drawing board to reality--sort of? Claudia writes: >Hail Jessica, inventor of the (fuzzy) blue peach-shake! Leads to slight >sensory distortion, looks blue and tastes yellow. This seems the closest any of my pseudoinventions has come to actually getting off the ground (cf. my ramblings a couple of months ago on the prospects for a "fuzzy blue navel"). I bask in reflected glory :-). Mitch _________________________________ "Once again, Yankee ingenuity has triumphed." --TV commercial for Benson & Hedges 100's Circa 1967 (466something on the Chinese calendar) ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! 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