Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #150 ecto, Number 150 Wednesday, 5 February 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Fluff (tm) Thanks for the Ecto SIG! WBF 82%, White space 18%, Hard information 0% I Scare Myself lyrics / In Vitro Bartlett/Rhodes Boston Recommendations? One more musical expression of the Ecto ideology Shy? Thanks, mom! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 09:10:17 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, [BTW. Thanks to woj for giving me a more appropriate subject line! :) ] I wrote (Is it a sign of insanity to answer your own posts?): I've exhausted my resources here, and still don't have a ticket for the Philadelphia concert. [rest of complaint deleted] Well, I followed Angelos' suggestion (Thank you!) and called the Philadelphia TicketMaster one more time, and the man who answered this time had zero trouble finding the concert. Go figure! Well, at least, my ticket is on its way. Also, I've got it written down now -- Albany March 18th. Thanks and see you (well, the lucky ones) there! Greg introduced me as: sooooo, Doug uses dbx(tm) noise-reduction to post with 100db S/N ratio: Be careful about who owns the trademark for 'dbx', I've been using it since before Dolby noise reduction was an inkling in the head of Dolby (or whomever). It was my very first computer logon name (way back in 1976), and I keep the tradition alive when I can. As an undergraduate at Ucla, I worked for a researcher in my department (meteorology) and to get disk space on the campus machine (an already old IBM 360/90), you needed a three letter identifier to distinguish individuals using the same charging account. The application gave you three choices. My three were 'deb' (my initials, not my girlfriend :) ), 'dbx', and 'dxb', where 'x' was simply a placeholders. I only got my second choice, but I probably like it more than the others now. [Sigh! Pleasantly nostalgic shudders of the days of balky keypunch machines, jammed card readers, dropped card decks, and glacial turnaround.] Greg posted a list of wonderful pop memories, but Vishal asked: What group is this ? God, I'm feeling old again. I'm going to leave the answer as an exercise to the reader. However, on rec.music.misc, someone asked one of those "What song was this?" questions for "Bus Stop" by the Hollies. Of roughly eight answers, only one got both the song and group correctly. Gee, I could probably still write the lyrics down and got 90% of them right! Age creeps up on one. I keep forgetting that virtually everyone here hasn't heard the WXPN interview, while I've listened to it who knows how many times (mostly while transcribing). While the WXPN interview is more 'formal' compared with Vickie's (Happy didn't insult David Dye once! :) ), Happy shows the same sure grasp of what she wants to say, and making sure that it comes across right. No shyness, reluctance, etc. My offer to dub this interview for anyone is ever open. Angelos wrote: Back to fortran... Poor unfortunately soul! I don't trust computer languages not much younger than I am. :) :) I hate to be picky, but, Meredith, are you sure that was a hailstorm you walked through? Hailstorms are convective storms which are very, very rare in the wintertime in the Northeast. (Sorry! Just exercising some professional perogative (i.e., pickiness) :) ) :) Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 08:32:15 PST From: gsady@gaffa.intel.com (Gene Sady ~) Subject: Thanks for the Ecto SIG! I was thrilled when I got home and found a package from Vickie. The Ecto SIG tape is here!! It was like an early birthday present. My 4 year old helped me open the light blue wrapping. He enjoys presents too. Anyway it wasn't till the kids went to bed until I got my chance to hear some of the tape... Vickie, I'm very impressed! The way you produced the tape with the interspersed interviews is great. It's a fantastic introduction to Happy. It was interesting to finally hear her voice, singing as well as talking. Her singing voice is sort of a combination of eerie and angelic and her speaking voice is very matter of fact and confident. It was also good to hear your voice, Vickie. It reflects a great deal of warmth. You are quite generous to have put so much care an effort into this production. Thanks a million! I'll have to send comments about my first impressions of Happy's music in a second posting. Got too much going on here at work today. By for now! Gene Sady gsady@gaffa.intel.com - Intel Corporation - Folsom, CA "I wish I could write you a melody so plain It could hold you, dear lady, from going insane It could ease you and cool you and cease the pain Of your useless and pointless knowledge." - Bob Dylan ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1992 2:17:03 +0800 (SST) From: N_HAYS@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au Subject: WBF 82%, White space 18%, Hard information 0% Heyaroony! Martin here. Barry writes: >I was just wondering, if ecto has a new baby sister, and gaffa is ecto's >mother, I was just curious, whose the father of ecto's new baby sister? :) Well, that'd be Jorn, I guess... although it makes one wonder what he's been doing to gaffa lately. ;-) Claudia (and others) about Jorn's warmroom post: >So, while I was hesitating a new digest came in and Angelos said it all! >Especially ... about cross postings. Ditto. I actually got the whole discussion in one big batch of late digests, but as I read through Jorn's post I realised this was the first post I'd read in Ecto that I actually felt uncomfortable about. Wierd feeling. Someone also mentioned it feeling "unlucky" to talk or even think about certain things around here. I know the feeling, it always seems unlucky to me to see "warm fuzziness" analysed, I mean, either you've know what it is or you don't. Fortunately, though, this place is much stronger than to let "luck" good or bad get in its way. YAY! ( to use a little expression I picked up in Ecto... :-) I've also been spreading "stone cold beans" all over Australia this summer. :) ) Claudia further on the subject of ecto-parties (I'M JEALOUS JEALOUS JEALOUS!!!) : >Hey, maybe even some of the photos (nearly everybody carried a camera) >will come out good! If they do, can someone PLEASE scan 'em in and add them to the ecto archives? Then perhaps I can print them out, stick them up around my room, mix up some fuzzy blue drinks, put my HGP, SiG, and Happy tapes on and have a little ecto-party of my own down here. :-) Meredith sez: > I really have to say I'm glad this Ecto entity exists. It *IS* an entity isn't it? It's amazing how much the whole ecto thing has infiltrated my life, despite the fact I have so much other stuff I should be doing with my time. It's really hard to sum it up concisely for the ecto-deaf, especially when they're computer-blind and musically-stupid to boot. I have to resort to something lame along the lines of "a sort of computerised international fan-club type of thing... only it's not really ..." etc "Fan-club" seems singularly inappropriate here, though I've never been in any sort of fan-club before, so I don't know what they're usually like. woj notes: > days are beginning to bleed together - i think the end is near... Tell me about it! Lately, I've been sleeping about 4 shifts of 2 hours a day, and staying awake programming and writing in between... confusing as hell... Vickie, the Ecto-hub, teases: >Also, I have the lyrics to WtRCD on-line. I'll post them when our >Aussiephile says he has his tape in hand. Since he's the farthest >he'll probably be the last to get his. Martin! Let us know when >you mail carrier hands you that fuzzy blue package, ok? "I have my tape in hand", Martin says, lying through his teeth. Of course, I don't really, but I know that if I were one of the first to get the tape I'd be really hanging out to get the lyrics, so for everyone's sake, Vickie, please post them. However, I'm touched you thought to wait for me like that. Only on Ecto do these things happen, I'm convinced. And good thing too. One more thing, thanks to all of you who keep providing film/music/concert reviews... I always enjoy reading them. A recommendation from an ectophile is almost always all I need to check out whatever artistic driftwood you people collect. And oh what beautiful driftwood. Things like this change the directions of people's lives. Anyhow, as the immortal bard once said: "Bye!" (I'm sure he must have :) Martin ,-----------------------------+----------------------------. _ . | "The shallow drowned lose | Martin Dougiamas. | ~ _r' Ll\ ~ | less than we", you breathe, | n_hays@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au | | \ ~ | the strangest twist upon | Curtin University | ~ \ ._ / ~ | your lips. - The Cure | Perth, Western Australia --+---> x~ `-' ~ `=============================+============================' V {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{%at{{D. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1992 2:46:48 +0800 (SST) From: N_HAYS@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au Subject: I Scare Myself lyrics / In Vitro Martin again (groan) Just to waste some time, here are the lyrics to "I Scare Myself" by Thomas Dolby, as featured on the recent HGP compilation on the ECTO label :) Reasonable simple lyrics, granted, but I love 'em. I SCARE MYSELF ------------- I scare myself just thinking about you I scare myself when I'm without you I scare myself the moment that you're gone I scare myself when I let my thoughts run and when they're running, I keep thinking of you. and when they're running, what can I do? I scare myself and I don't mean lightly I scare myself, it can get frightening I scare myself to think what I could do I scare myself - it's some kind of voodoo... and with that voodoo, I keep thinking of you. and with that voodoo, what can I do? but it's so so very different when we're together and I'm so so so much calmer, I feel better 'cause the stars already crossed our paths forever and the sooner that you realise it the better and then I'll be with you and I won't scare myself and I'll know what to do and I won't scare myself and my thoughts will run and I won't scare myself and I'll think of you and I won't scare myself. ----- In addition, has anyone heard of the duet called "In Vitro"? Peter Snell does guitars/keyboards/back vocals etc, while a lady by the name of Shandra Beri with a REALLY interesting voice does all the main vocals. I have their '87 debut self-titled album, and love it lots. Anyhow, as the great Oscar Wilde himself indubitably said: "Bye for now." Martin ,-------------------------------------------+----------------------------. | I'm just an animal, looking for a home. | Martin Dougiamas. | | Share the same space for a minute or two. | n_hays@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au | | And she'll love me 'til my heart stops, | Curtin University | | Love me til I'm dead. | Perth, Western Australia | `== This Must Be The Place - Talking Heads =+============================' ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 12:45:00 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: WBF 82%, White space 18%, Hard information 0% Martin there> >>Barry writes: >>I was just wondering, if ecto has a new baby sister, and gaffa is ecto's >>mother, I was just curious, whose the father of ecto's new baby sister? :) > >Well, that'd be Jorn, I guess... although it makes one wonder what >he's been doing to gaffa lately. ;-) i have nothing to add... just enjoyed so much the first time i wanted to see it again :) >Claudia further on the subject of ecto-parties (I'M JEALOUS JEALOUS >JEALOUS!!!): >>Hey, maybe even some of the photos (nearly everybody carried a camera) >>will come out good! >If they do, can someone PLEASE scan 'em in and add them to the ecto >archives? Then perhaps I can print them out, stick them up around my >room, mix up some fuzzy blue drinks, put my HGP, SiG, and Happy tapes >on and have a little ecto-party of my own down here. :-) mmm, sounds good to me... i've been running about being a Happy homemaker host, and ya know, *i* don't have any photos at all... :( :) nor do i have a scanner, any more... sooo, claudia? >Meredith sez: >> I really have to say I'm glad this Ecto entity exists. mm, and i really have to agree... >woj notes: >> days are beginning to bleed together - i think the end is near... (heh heh, much easier when someone else edits and attributes these quotes ;) woj (which Klaus pronounces "voy", BTW, i like that ;) ANYWAY woj, the nights swirl apart, and i see no end in sight... with profound footahs, -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "i have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" -- HR ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Bartlett/Rhodes Date: Wed, 05 Feb 92 12:48:40 EST Hi, On second thought after repeated listening (all I have been listening to since I got them - OK I listened to the HGP twice :-)) the B/R songs are VERY good but completely different. They showcase Happy as a vocalist. Admittedly Kevin has a grip on orchestration! Drums are soaring throughout the songs making them really good to dance to ('In between the lines'). In that song Happy sounds so soulful! Her singing isn't so unleashed in the other (her own) songs, maybe because they are so personal. I also love 'Love's Sabotage'. It ROCKS! Also, Kevin's lyrics (if they are his, which I bet they are) are also good. They are quite political, and I like them. Anyway, I've rambled enough for the past couple of days... Angelos 'Heroes don't lose nerve, they find it'- Kevin Bartlett ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 14:35:56 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: Fluff (tm) Doug comes by with his weather hanging around him: >Greg introduced me as: > > sooooo, Doug uses dbx(tm) noise-reduction to post with 100db S/N ratio: > >Be careful about who owns the trademark for 'dbx' ah ha! a spin-off of the massive ecto marketing department ("go stick your head in a pig") -- the ecto legal defense fund. we sue dbx, split the settlement with Doug, and spend the rest on a luxury tour bus in which to attend Happy shows, ecto-events, and random dinners in manhattan... >Greg posted a list of wonderful pop memories, but Vishal asked: > > What group is this ? > >God, I'm feeling old again. I'm going to leave the answer as an exercise to >the reader. ditto... ;) genius, though, i'm telling you... put your footah in, put your footah out, put your footah in and shake it all about -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "i wake in much surprise" -- HR ======================================================================== Date: 05 Feb 92 15:39:03 EST From: Bob Brown <74756.1557@compuserve.com> Subject: Boston Recommendations? Hi folks - I get to visit Boston next week on business and was wondering if anyone can provide me recommendations for any CD speciality stores. I'm particularly looking for stuff that you might not find in your normal chain stores. Any shops that have a nice used selection would be welcome choices also. I'll have a car and I don't mind driving to wherever these places might be. Last time I was in Boston I roamed around the Harvard Square area and I think I went to a place called Boston Compact Disc...but I killed too many brain cells in my youth to remember exactly where that was. :-) Also, are there any musical people going to be in town next week that I should know about? I don't know anything about the music club scene in Boston. This evening I guess I'll have to go back through old Ecto posts and see what y'all have been listening to/recommending lately. I remember seeing something for somebody called Tori Amos?? Should I be looking for this and is she on CD? Any other recommendations from Ectophiles? I've seem so many great messages about the SIG tape...I'm kicking myself now for not yet getting a tape off to Vickie for the dupe. I'm driving from Philly to Boston on Monday and it would have made great to have the tape to listen to...oh well...ya snooze ya lose. I'll put the blank in the mail tomorrow Vickie. At least I got the tapes from Happy to listen to and my portable CD player plays through the car stereo....so I can crank it up and drive. Doug...did you get your ticket situation straightened out for the Philly tickets? If not I'll be glad to help you out...just let me know. Thanks in advance for any Boston helps... Bob Brown The Radio Boy -- who still gets Ecto delivered through Compuserve :-( ======================================================================== Date: 5 February 1992 13:09:34 CST From: Subject: One more musical expression of the Ecto ideology Angelos' entry into the record yesterday of one of the Bartlett/Rhodes songs with a words-weren't-made-for-cowards-type message has inspired me to go off in a vaguely similar direction, and post the following song. It's an old German university song, perhaps best known to Americans through Pete Seeger's cover of some years ago, which I transcribed from the Old Town School of Folk Music's recent compilation tape, "Win Stracke: Chicago's Troubador." The German text is as it came across to me; perhaps Klaus or Claudia will be able to offer an opinion on whether my nontranslation makes any sense. If nothing else, it's a good object lesson in how "idiomatic" translations--particularly if they have to be shoehorned into rhyme and meter schemes made for the source language--often come out quite different from literal ones. Mitch DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI Die Gedanken sind frei Der kann sie erraten Sie friehen vorlei Wie necht die verschatten Kein Mensch kann sie wissen Kein Jaeger erschiessen Es bleibe dabei Die Gedanken sind frei Es bleibe dabei Die Gedanken sind frei Die Gedanken sind frei My thoughts really flower Die Gedanken sind frei My thoughts give me power No scholar can map them No hunter can trap them No man can deny Die Gedanken sind frei No man can deny Die Gedanken sind frei So I think as I please And this gives me pleasure My conscience decrees This right I must treasure My thoughts will not cater To prince or dictator No man can deny Die Gedanken sind frei No man can deny Die Gedanken sind frei And if tyrants catch me And throw me in prison My thoughts will burst forth Like blossoms in season Foundations will crumble The structure will tumble And free men will cry Die Gedanken sind frei And free men will cry Die Gedanken sind frei (of course, if one wants to update it for our times and situation, I suppose we could live up with such artistic liberties as "No scholar can map them/ No sysop can zap them" :-) ) ======================================================================== Date: 5-FEB-1992 19:26:21.58 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Shy? Hi! So what's this Vickie, the ones at the end of the alphabet didn't get the keychains? Screwed by my last name yet again. :) :) :) The photo is wonderful. It's on my wall underneath all the Kate-postcards (13 at last count, would've been 14 yesterday but the geek hadn't brought any with him even though he had one on his display board) and over my computer. I'm sure you all wanted to know that, too. ;) I see what you meant about the way Happy is, Vickie. It was obvious she was comfortable with you- and who cares if it sounded "unprofessional", if people tune in to publicly funded radio to hear totally professional, if they don't find NPR they deserve what they do get. :) I enjoyed hearing what she had to say. That woman's wit could dry up an ocean...gawd. I can relate to being shy around people when you're not comfortable with them- I'm sort of the same way, it takes a while before I can get up the guts to enter into a conversation with someone I've never talked to before (but watch out once I do ;). I hope if/when we all get to meet her she'll feel comfortable enough with us knowing we're Ectophiles to open up to us without being uneasy. I'd hate to think we made her nervous. Who did you say she was painting a book cover for again? The name is gone from my mind forever, and I was trying to think of it in talking to someone today... *---------------------------------------------* | Meredith Tarr | | *** | | "Living in the gap between past and future" | | *** | | mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu | *---------------------------------------------* ======================================================================== From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Subject: Thanks, mom! Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 19:33:00 CST Ten thousand thanks, Vickie, for the picture of Happy!!! I've showed it around the office and everyone loved it (BTW, my boss still hasn't returned my _Warpaint_ CD after 3.5 weeks. He says he loves it. I responded with "but, so do I"). Happy must have been about 21 or 22 when the picture was taken (her Ecto days)? Also, as a quick followup to my last posting, I thought you might like to know that I took my car dashboard apart late last night, and recovered my HGP Vol II tape. Hey, not bad considering I'm not a mechanical engineer. :) _ _____ _______ __ / /_/ / _ \/ / _ \ \/ / fuzzy / __ / _ / / _ /\ / blue foster@convex.com /_/ /_/_//_/_/_/ \_\/_/ ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! I've been told I'm too far from humble to even have it in quotes, so, just "your moderator" -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)