Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #927 ecto, Number 927 Tuesday, 21 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Panda pinball Re: UTP promo cassette Life of Egg vs. Life of Man Re: Silent Night, etc Re: What's with Yngve? Re: UTP promo cassette Caterwaul again David Sylvian Sylvian Re: HGP, Scotland Yo! Welcome, Dave! My Top 10 Mr. Bean's Christmas ======================================================================== Subject: Panda pinball Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 04:47:59 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) No reason for the subject line apart from the mere fact that it popped into my head tonight as a good title for an album. Seeing as how I'm not recording any albums just now, I thought I'd use it creatively anyway. :-) My (da-dadada-da-daaaaa) TOP TEN ALBUMS LIST!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I had no choice, I had to do one of these (and a singles one) for Beat Magazine, for whom I write. Here I get to expand on my reasons (the mag only prints the titles). 1. Sleeping With The Lion - Margot Smith Beauty captured forever, a shining light in the darkness, a truly wonderful record that has changed my life for the better. That doesn't happen every day! A voice so perfect, songs so beautiful, all painted in lush colours by Eddie Rayner and Steve Kilbey. Number 1 by a long way. Once I heard it there was never any question. 2. The Moon Seven Times - The Moon Seven Times Neile gets thanks for this one - she sent me the disc, I popped it in the CD player for a quick listen, and was still there 70 minutes later, listening. Any album that can open with something as wonderful as "Her House" has a lot going for it in the first place, and Henry Frayne's lush melodies and glittering, shimmering guitars paired with Lynn Canfield's voice seal it. 3. Bohemia - Mae Moore The chain continues. Margot mentioned this album to me, as it was recorded by Steve Kilbey at the same time as her album. I'm surprised at myself that I've ranked it so highly, but the more I think about it, and the more I listen to the album, the more sense it makes. It's a gently addictive record if ever there was one! 4. Aerial - Falling Joys Canberra band Falling Joys' finest moment - something must have clicked in the studio, because listening to this album is impossible. You have to *bask* in it. So much melody it should cost twice as much. One autographed copy is known to exist in the US. :-) Hopefully Nettwerk will get it out soon. 5. Cuckoo - Curve Curve go even louder, more densely layered and threatening, write brilliant songs, create sonic mayhem upon which Toni Halliday can lay out her canvas of emotions and fears. Almost scary, this record. It's also great when you're in a bad mood... :) 6. Sleeper - Tribe Okay, it's not "Abort", we all know that, but Tribe overcome grisly, murky production (bring back Chris Sheldon!!!) with their power-guitar-soaked melodic pop. Best heard loud. Terri should sing more. And I want them to tour here. Waaah. 7. Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We? - The Cranberries Won me over at the start of the year and I'm still playing it regularly now. Delores is wonderful. So are her songs. 8. Songs Of Faith And Devotion - Depeche Mode Whaaaat? say Ecto collectively. He's putting a *Depeche Mode* album in? I've always had a soft spot for DM, and this is one fine album. "Mercy In You", "Judas" and "In Your Room" are songs beyond the imaginings of those who would emulate them. Love those minor chords. 9. Plants And Birds And Rocks And Things - The Loud Family A late entry! This CD arrived last week. It's damn good. I bet if I'd had it for a few months it would have been up higher, but the competition was too fierce this year. 10. Bitch Epic - Deborah Conway Melbourne singer, ex of band Do Re Mi, launches into her second solo album by posing naked on the sleeve smeared totally in Nutella (chocolate spread) and gorging cake (the shots were done to promote a TV episode of "Seven Deadly Sins" called "Gluttony"), and hiring Jim "I pan everything hard left and right because I love the 60s" Rondinelli to mix it. Stark but rich in detail, very ironic lyrics, a la Liz Phair but less blatantly pissed off, and a sense of humour. Great stuff. On Mushroom here, possible US release in '94. Runners-up: "Very" - Pet Shop Boys "Together Alone" - Crowded House "Equipoise" - The Hapster "Heidi Berry" - Heidi Berry "This Is How It Feels" - Golden Palominos "Into The Labyrinth" - Dead Can Dance Mae Moorophiles may be interested to know that she appears on G.W. McLennan's album "Fireboy" on the track "Bathe" (GW was a Go-Between once). Not surprisingly, it was recorded while she was here doing "Bohemia" - he's on her album, she's on his. "Fireboy" is another Mushroom release, I know not about the US. woj writes: > getting a chance to rummage through all the discs that i've acquired > since the fateful day. yay! reviews to come... Eager anticipation sensed in Melbourne... :-) > anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) sez: > >Anyone here besides me got Sylvian's "Weatherbox"? Mere typed description > >can't do this package justice... > > yup - got it. a lot of sylvian fans consider it a waste for some reason > of another, but for me (who did not have anything except some dubs of > his albums) it was a windfall. highly recommended if you feel like > diving into david's career full-fledged. I had only "Secrets Of The Beehive" on CD and the rest on vinyl, so it was a bargain for $100. The CD boxes are beautiful, as is the entire package. And the music. :-) Two weeks later I picked up a 3 CD boxed pic-label set of Japan's "Gentleman Take Polaroids", "Tin Drum" and "Oil On Canvas". For $20. > >> "Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things" - The Loud Family > >Sue Trowbridge sent me this CD this week - it's fantastic stuff. > > damn, i gotta find this! i keep hearing all these good things about it, It's good, that's why! :-) > but i can never find it when i remember to look for it at record > stores! argh! anthony, i hope you've fully investigated scott miller's > earlier band (game theory) as well...if not, do so, dammit! :) Who did they record for? I've heard the name but never the music. Is it good? Easily available? And does anyone know who Paul Weineke is? :-) - Anthony (tired, so very very tired... zzzzZZZzzZzzzZZZZz) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 08:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: UTP promo cassette On Mon, 20 Dec 1993, Anthony Horan wrote: > Past the mission > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The track that Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails contributes vocals to (you'd > never recognise him, but he is there!) So that's where he's been hiding! This is unbelievable! Trent Reznor is arguably my favorite non-ecto performer! Can't wait to hear it! Michael ======================================================================== Date: 21 Dec 93 10:07:58 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Life of Egg vs. Life of Man Fresh (!) off the net: So you think your life is bad... Just think of how bad the life of the EGG is... You only get laid once. You only get eaten once. It takes 4 minutes to get hard. 2 minutes to get soft. You have to share a box with 11 other guys. And the only chick who ever say on your face was your mother! Now don't you feel better? ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Silent Night, etc Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 07:48:44 -0800 (PST) > > > Simon & Garfunkel 7 O'Clock News/Silent Night Doug Burks > Wow! Flashback time! That track was probably every bit as responsible > for opening my ears up to the possibilities of electronic/tape music > as anything I heard as a kid. The idea that you could overdub a radio > broadcast on a folk song was mindbending at the time... > > BTW, has anyone created a list of recordings of Silent Night? Sinead > O'Connor and Enya come to mind. Didn't Stevie Nicks do it on the Very Special Christmas album? br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 09:12:47 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: What's with Yngve? Vickie vorries: > Everything I send to Ecto gets bounced back from Yngve's account. Has > anyone heard from him? Is he ok? I was wondering the same. Maybe he's on Christmas break and, like they do here for some people, has lost his account until next semester???? --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< Short sign on a short post. :) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 09:37:54 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: UTP promo cassette Michael Colford : > On Mon, 20 Dec 1993, Anthony Horan wrote: > > > Past the mission > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The track that Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails contributes vocals to (you'd > > never recognise him, but he is there!) > > So that's where he's been hiding! This is unbelievable! Trent Reznor > is arguably my favorite non-ecto performer! Can't wait to hear it! Wow! Didn't expect that! I used to love NIN, especially when "Down In It" expressed exactly how I felt. Thing is I don't want to feel that way anymore so, although I like the music, I can't stand the self-worthlessness and emotion I get from the lyrics. --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:02:09 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Caterwaul again woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the dark saxophone): > "Alex Gibbs" sez: > >Before that, a friend of mine had lent them some money to help fund > >their next album, which was going to be called _Killer Fish_. > > ah, so that's what the album was going to be called. i have a copy of > the demos that they recorded to shop around for a label and they are > pretty decent, though not as biting as their other material. i'd be This is the 5-track demo thing for the album? He said the probable name came from one of her fish that kept eating other fish in the tank. heh > muchly interested in any info on the sea hags (or whatever they are > called). i'd also be interested in betsy's current address - the last > letter i sent to her bounced since the post office box is no longer > valid (that was when they were in burbank - i have no idea where they > might be now). My friend doesn't seem to know exactly where she is either. I forgot what he said when I asked him when he had last been in contact with any of them. Guess it wasn't too recent. He did say Betsy had been wondering about a Caterwaul reunion, but he didn't really know what that meant. Don't really have any more info at this point. --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:21:14 -0700 (MST) From: "Oh well, at least I passed ONE final..." Subject: David Sylvian Anthony, Chalk up another 'Weatherbox' owner... What a fantastic collection! I was fortunate enough to catch him live during his "In Praise of Shamans" tour at UCSD in '88, second best concert I've ever seen (the first being Ultravox's 'Quartet' tour). But then again, I've never seen HR perform, so I'm only basing my judgements on shows I have actually seen. Now that I live in Laramie, Wyoming, what do you think the odds are that she'd play anywhere around here? Doug? I noticed you're in Fort Collins, any clue? Kevin Knapp (I'll try and create a coll signature-type thing here after Christmas, okay?) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:31:24 -0700 (MST) From: "Oh well, at least I passed ONE final..." Subject: Sylvian Anthony, Chalk up another 'Weatherbox' owner... What a fantastic collection! I was fortunate enough to catch him live during his "In Praise of Shamans" tour at UCSD in '88, second best concert I've ever seen (the first being Ultravox's 'Quartet' tour). But then again, I've never seen HR perform, so I'm only basing my judgements on shows I have actually seen. Now that I live in Laramie, Wyoming, what do you think the odds are that she'd play anywhere around here? Doug? I noticed you're in Fort Collins, any clue? Kevin Knapp ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: Ectophiles Guide Subject: Re: HGP, Scotland On Sat, 18 Dec 1993, Albert Philipsen wrote: > Neile speaks: > > >Oh, sorry, I knew that. I'm trying to tempt her into going back again. > >Any other ectophiles want to meet up with us there? Beautiful landscape, > >neolithic tombs, neolithic villages, brochs, castles, a 12th century > >church with saint Vikings in stained class, a neolithic tomb with Viking > >graffiti all over the walls, stone circles, standing stones, puffins, > >seals, skuas, half-sunken ships from the wars, gorgeous rocky beaches... > > YES!!! I've always wanted to see all those things, so I'd love to come to > some kind of gathering of Ectophiles in Scotland. It would be perfect if > it took place on June 17th, because that's my birthday. :) Well, as Steve Fagg pointed out to me, Stromness really is a bit far north for some people to be able to get the time to meet up with us. We (Jim and I) are planning right now to get into the UK around June 10 (we're hoping to fly into Edinburgh, but if it's as much less expensive to fly to London and take the train north as it usually is, we'll fly into London. We have to be in Inverness on the 14th, then to Stromness on the 15th. We'll be back in Inverness on the 24th and will spend the rest of the time messing around Scotland. We're planning to get back home around July 1. So, Albert, we will be in Stromness on your birthday, but it might be better to meet in Edinburgh either the 12th or 13th or around the 27th. Any Scottish ectophiles willing to coordinate a meeting? --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 17:13:00 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: Yo! Welcome, Dave! Hi Everybody, and a warm fuzzy (fushshy?) blue welcome to our new Shcottish friend Dave!! Actually I was just wondering the other day whatever happened to Dave's interest in checking out Ecto! Welcome to the list, Dave!!!! > I've been persuaded to join this list by Ilka, so if I say anything > unsound, feel free to flame her =). I haven't received anything so far, so I guess he didn't do too badly! Actually, Dave, whenever you are ready to study some more of Ms. Rhode's Happy chantings, just let me know and I'll make a very special tape for you! = ) > I don't like anything except for Queen and Eagles. ...hm... No doubt about the genius of the first band, but I'm not that sure about the other one.... = ) > my musical tastes were so inclined until I > attended a little cultural soiree bei the aforementioned Ilka Heber, > in Darmstadt Does that mean that I'm a cult-meister?? = ) > (She's got a lot to answer for, this girl!) ...hm... I'm not sure what exactly that is supposed to mean... Should I be flattered or should I better sulk?!? > I was forcibly introduced to the delights of Bjork, Tori, thingy and the > other one. Of course he means that he spent hours begging to be among the chosen few to be introduced to the incredible art of the aforementioned ladies. (Dave, who's thingy and who's the other one??? Well, at least you got Tori right!) > I was rather tentative about hearing her works, in case I didn't like them. > Fortunately, my fears were unfounded. ...well, he should have trusted me! = ) > a great time, the whisky in particular was very good, You have to know that he *brought* it! Thanksh again!!!! = ) > I'll just finish off by thanking everyone there for being such good > company, and I hope to see you again sooooon. ...likewise, especially the part about hoping to see each other again! > P.S. Show us yer bum, Happy =) Brian didn't (Brian May, Queen, that is), so why should she???? > P.P.S. I bought `Little Earthquakes' yesterday, aren't you impressed?! "Impressed" is the understatement of the year! Don't forget that there will be a new one out at the end of January! That's all, *HUGS* to everybody, Ilka = ) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 13:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: My Top 10 Taking a cue from John Relph, I would like to preface with the disclaimer that "I don't think I really have tastes which jibe with most of the EctoWorld." Judging from the recommendations in this group, it seems most of you prefer music in the "alternative" category. Well, I like that too. But my passions run toward Pop, Dance and Broadway. As a lyricist (my first EP is due out in January!), I write for Cabaret, R&B and House music. Sondheim (Stephen) is a hero of mine, so you could surmise that words are VERY important to me. And I prefer singers who are dramatic, and music that moves me intrinsically. Believing Ecto to be a flame-free environment, I hereby offer my 1993 Top 10 (for any who may have interest): 10) Prince - The Hits/The B-Sides I chose this one primarily for the B-sides. it's nice to have them all in one place. I'm pariticularly fond of "She's Always In My Hair," "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore," and "17 Days." 9) Sting - Ten Summoner's Tales I'm a little tired of reading about how much better this one is than "The Soul Cages." Am I the only one who loved that album? Here, Sting trips my trigger with "Seven Days," "Heavy Cloud No Rain," and "Shape Of My Heart" (great lyrics). 8) Happy Rhodes - Equipoise Yes, I love Happy. So why isn't this higher on my list? Just because I don't listen to it ALL THE TIME. But when I do...I turn "Closer" up much too high for my neighbors' comfort. "You made breathing a nasty chore" is a terrific line. It rivals Kate's "You've made a wake of our honeymoon." I love vituperation in music, maybe because I abhor it in life. 7) Rickie Lee Jones - Traffic From Paradise Talk about an erratic career! Every album seems to start a new phase, but then the next one snubs it. No lyrics printed on the sleeve, but that's ok, because this time she doesn't slur her words! "Stewart's Coat," and "Tigers" are the highlights for me. 6) Original Broadway Cast - Tommy Ok, so I've been obsessing for two years over this guy named Tommy, who left me quite suddenly because he didn't want to commit. That's not the ONLY reason I love this album. This is the first time Pete Townshend's opera made total sense to me. The performances are stellar, and the ending (making amends through forgiveness) chokes me up every time. 5) Donna Summer - The Donna Summer Anthology I know, gay men aren't supposed to like her after those nasty things she said about our "lifestyle." So I'm politically incorrect, I like her music. If you don't know her material, this is a terrific introduction. If you've got all the albums, this one includes "I'm A Rainbow," "Don't Cry For Me Argentina," and "Carry On" (previously unavailable on her albums). 4) Patti LuPone - Patti LuPone Live If my musical, "53rd & Mad Ave," (based on Hamlet) is ever produced (or indeed, finished!), she's my choice for Gertrude. Some say she's over-the-top. But this concert shows her versatility. "I'm A Stranger Here Myself," and "Surabaya Johnny" shoot shivers up my spine. 3) Janet jackson - janet. You've probably heard how sexy it is. You've probably heard "That's The Way Love Goes." But "This Time" is an intense proclamation of new-found self-esteem (perhaps even a maturation of "What Have You Done For Me Lately"). And "Throb" - well, who needs drugs to feel the fervor of this one? Of course, "Where Are You Now" is a personal favorite (there's that Tommy thing again!). 2) Cyndi Lauper - Hat Full Of Stars Cyndi's got a great voice. And her lyrics are positively mellifluous. She shows a darker side here. Everything from abusive relationships ("Broken Glass") to fatal abortions (Sally's Pigeons," co-written by Mary Chapin Carpenter). And "A Part Heart" asks "Why are the children carrying guns, not books." With Hugh Masakela she submits that we should simply "tear apart hate." What a forceful image of pacifism. 1) Kate Bush - The Red Shoes My friend Cheryl introduced me to Kate with "Sat In Your Lap." Liked it, but let it go. Then came "Hounds Of Love," and I was hooked. I agree with the PR folks who said this is Kate's most accesible album. But I don't think she's selling out. She's still experimenting, doing what she feels. I love her most, I think, because she's vocally descriptive. What's it feel like to be a "Rubberband Girl"? Well I guess "rub-a-dub-a-dub-a paints part of the picture! What about losing a lover? When she lets loose with the banshee cry of "Just forGET IT ALRIGHT" in "You're The One I Want" I feel her loss right down to my toes. I guess "Life is sad, and so is love." But, "whatever happens, what really matters? It's all we've got, isn't that enough?" And "The Red Shoes" (the song) keeps me dancing to a rather tragic tale. It's probably easier (and briefer) to mention what I DON'T like. "Why Should I Love You" starts promisingly, but deteriorates quickly into a simplistic funk groove. Maybe I'm just disappointed because it's not what *I* would have done. Ah well, she can do whatever she wants, because even on Ecto, she is. SHE REALLY IS!!!! -Sam ======================================================================== Subject: Mr. Bean's Christmas Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 13:28:04 -0500 From: lcliffor@bbn.com Did anyone catch Rowan Atkinson's Mr. Bean Christmas special on HBO last night??? I'm not sure if/when it's being repeated, but do watch out for it - it was just GREAT! Happy Holidays all... Laura ======================================================================== Subject: Re: My Top 10 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 13:38:44 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Sam sez: >run toward Pop, Dance and Broadway. BREAK DOWN THOSE STEREOTYPES! ;-) >As a lyricist (my first EP is due out in January!) Cool! Tell us more! >9) Sting - Ten Summoner's Tales > >I'm a little tired of reading about how much better this one is than "The Soul >Cages." Am I the only one who loved that album? I wouldn't say I *loved* _The Soul Cages_, but I was so utterly disappointed with _...Nothing Like the Sun..._ (after the mindbogglingly brilliant _Dream of the Blue Turtles_) that _The Soul Cages_ was a welcome return to style. Definitely a *way* cool album. Still haven't heard _Ten Summoner's Tales_. Hey, Mike...bring it to OC next month, will ya? >3) Janet jackson - janet. Damn baby, shit. (somehow, this has turned into a catchphrase amongst a bunch of my friends. it's amazingly useful in its absurdity.) I was personally a bit disappointed with _janet._ ("That period really says it all." or whatever that pr person said...;-). It's a good album, but the parts that worked well for me, for the most part, don't work as well as the parts that worked well on _Rhythm Nation: 1814_. Both albums are very mixed for me--some amazing stuff and some stuff that I'd much rather skip. But "This Time" is absolutely superb. Incredibly powerful, great lyrics, great music, great opera (ahhhh, the *real* reason the queens are flocking to it... ) >2) Cyndi Lauper - Hat Full Of Stars Still gotta hear this. None of her subsequent albums worked as well for me as _She's So Unusual_ which I still love. Hey Mike--another one to bring to the beach, okay? >1) Kate Bush - The Red Shoes >I love her most, I think, because she's vocally descriptive. Definitely, and that's about the only thing of KaTe's that I like better than Happy. Happy just can't emote with her voice they way KaTe does. I'll have to disagree with your assessment of "Why Should I Love You?" I think it's a *wonderful* track. Fun to listen and dance and sing to, with wonderful lyrics, arrangement (a *perfect* use of the Trio Bulgarka), and vocals. I think my least favorite tracks would have to be "Top of the City" (which is not to say I dislike it) and "Rubberband Girl" (which in my opinion is too long. This is interesting, because I'm apparently one of the few people who actually *enjoys* the _extended_ mix of "Eat the Music"--I don't find EtM in the least bit dull, boring, or really even repetitive. In fact, I think it's brilliant.) Anyway. A quick note...someone recently included Neneh Cherry's brilliant _Homebrew_ in one of their lists. At the time, I smacked my forehead and wondered how I could have left it off. Upon further consideration, though, I remembered that my sister had given the album to my brother last year for either his birthday or hanukah (the two of which often coincide). So it was definitely a '92 release. I wont' chastize whoever it was who listed the album (much as I was chastized for _Us_ and _Automatic For the People_) because a number of people have been listing "best albums I bought within 1993" and I don't remember whether or not this fit that category. Jeff (who *really* ought to be studying for tomorrow's cartography exam) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)