Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #922 ecto, Number 922 Tuesday, 21 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: I'd smooch y'all sloppily, but... Guys... Big Hat mythology, intj, clunk mythologies Re: Help!!! ectopics Victoria Williams "Happy Come Home" on CD Hey Bday! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 0:14:17 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: I'd smooch y'all sloppily, but... Holly gurgles: > ...I'm still sick. :-( *HUGS & CHICKEN SOUP* > Wanna hear about my groovy fun trip to the doctor's office? Read on! > Iffen you don't want to hear me whine about my health, skip to the > end of this message for some Happy-related stuff. :) That was a wonderful story! Thanks for posting it. > Anyway, thanks again for all the nice messages of well wishing and > healing! It feels good to be thought of! *HUG* (You were so sweet to call *me* in the midst of your unwellness) > ObHappy: I invited Happy to the Ectogathering I'm having at my > house, and on the invitation I told her that I'd understand > if she couldn't make it and that I'd still love her whether > she showed up or not. Happy sent me a note in return, graciously > declining my offer and thanking me for still loving her. :) That was nice! > Blah :-( Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 00:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Guys... Hi! It's been almost a week since I was last able to log on, but now my roommate with the cool computernd fast modem is gone for three weeks, so I might actually get caught up! Yay! Hey, folks, my comment about Kate the vegetarian wearing leather was TONGUE IN CHEEK. I was *kidding*- hence the ";>" after the comment. I didn't mean to touch off a whole thread about eating habits and ethics and whatnot, really. This seems to have died down now, thankfully, but I just wanted to make that one point clear. On the subject of food and what people will and will not eat, no one seems to have mentioned the #1 reason not to eat something- it Just Doesn't Taste Good. Me, I tend to have full-body hate reactions to certain things, which I know is rather strange, but they all stem from one important factor: they taste, to me, like sh*t. Not to mention smell vile, have awful colors and/or textures, and by their very existence generally make me want to retch. I am speaking of broccoli, cauliflower, and coffee here, but there are more. The coffee thing is especially bad, since one of my roommates is a total coffee connoisseur, with the fancy brewing machine and bean grinder and everything, and the smell of the stuff makes me quite queasy. I can't go into coffee stores. Gag. But enough of that- I could go into the theory my friends have about how I was attacked by an unruly bunch of broccoli when I was a child, too, but I'll refrain. Before I get off this subject, though, one more thing. Am I alone in thinking that making a big ritual out of eating the parts of a turkey that most rational people throw out (you know, the parts that come in a little bag just so you can throw them out with the least amount of fuss) is a wee bit strange? woj's mom pops these undesirable organs into a pot and boils them up (neck included- eww) and then the family fights over who gets what- the stomach seems to be the most sought-after item in this sick little game. An anthropologist would have a field day, methinks. Sorry, woj- I love you, but that particular family tradition of yours will *always* send a chill down my spine! :) ANYway, before I go to bed, I want to mention two CDs that have recently come into my possession- they're both bootlegs, so those of you who are morally opposed to such items should stop reading right now. The first is a new boot called "Last Days In Eden", which is a live recording of a 10,000 Maniacs show (in Seattle, 5/23/93). The sound quality is *excellent*, and it was an incredible show to boot (I know, )- Natalie struck up a great rapport with the audience, and seemed to be having a lot of fun. The encore set featured "Every Day Is Like Sunday", too, which I consider to be vastly superior to the original, but that's probably just me. The second is a live recording of Annie Lennox at the Montreaux Jazz Festival on 7/3/92, called "The Gift". Sound quality is also excellent- it sounds like it was professionally done, not by someone in the audience. It's a pretty good show, as such things go. I'm not as into Annie Lennox as I am the Manaiacs but it was still a good acquisition. :) Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 00:21:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Big Hat Hi! Did I mention that I saw Big Hat two weekends ago? No? Well, I did. :) It was in Northampton, Massachusetts, at a little place called the Bay State Hotel, and the atmosphere was a lot like being in somebody's living room. They were there with two other bands, both of which I missed because I got there 30 seconds before Big Hat went on, and I didn't stick around too long afterwards. They were only on for 35 minutes, but what a half hour it was! Folks, it's been said before, but allow me to reiterate: if Big Hat is playing in your area, go. Go even if you have no clue what they sound like. They put on an INCREDIBLE show. Preston Klik has enough energy for fifty people, and the rest of the band is pretty energetic, as well. I thought their new album, _Selena At My Window_ was amazing before the show, and now it sounds a bit flat because they're not live versions. (I still think it's great, though.) Afterwards I went to get them all to sign my CD, and I mentioned that WESU hadn't gotten a copy of it in yet. Preston heard this and asked me stick around so he could talk to me about that, but first he had to put his equipment away. He came and found me a few minutes later, and we had a nice chat about radio and booking agents. :) It turns out they really wanted to play at the Iron Horse, but the cafe was already booked for that weekend by the time they approached them. (Jordi, the owner of the Iron Horse, had skipped out on the show at his own place to see Big Hat at the Bay State, which I thought was cool.) The next time they play in Western Massachusetts, it will be at the Iron Horse, and they will play for longer than half an hour. They had thought they were headlining that night, but they had been misinformed, and they were Not Amused. Oh, well- next time. They were all pretty neat people, Preston especially. I can't wait to see them again! Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 00:55:52 EST From: mojzes@monet.vill.edu (brni) Subject: mythology, intj, clunk yeah, yeah... i know... y'all saw this stuff days ago. sorry. i'm *working* on it, ok? mitch: >> [...] She was wearing the leather jacket she has on in the US RBG >>video (whats a veggie doing wearing leather, anyway ;), and looked great. > >Not all vegetarians are vegans. It's the latter who are the hardliners on >leather, etc. (It just occurred to me: how do vegans who are into bondage >handle the situation?) > vegan means no dairy or eggs--which is to say, no animal products whatsoever. i spent some time avoiding dairy, simply to force myself to learn how to cook without cheese...well, not simply...i wuz also trying to get rid of this roll i've been accumulating around the belly... i dunno, i just haven't gotten used to not being a toothpick anymore... (note elipses...) >Somehow, I have a hard time picturing modern-day Urban Legend having the same >centrality in our culture that classical mythology had in Greco-Roman civiliza- >tion. The myths of the ancient world had a quasi-religious function, serving >as shedders of light (supposedly) on the so-called ultimate questions. The new >crop of recurrent rumors don't quite cut it in that department. > actually, i was just trying to be nice and use urban legends instead of xtianity (since i assume that it is safe to assume that there is at least one xtian on this list) or paganism (same assumption) etc. i was trying to avoid stepping on feelings, and appear to have compromised my position in doing so. well, thats life, i suppose. >Brni writes about not seeing Kate on the radio: > >>did anyone tape this show? > >Yeah. Me. > >Thus far, I've given the tape one cursory listen; I tried to make mental notes >of what seemed like highlights, but they all escape me in the heat of the >moment. Perhaps they'll come back to me sooner or later. > any possibility of a transcription...? (ifn' it aint too much of a problem, that is...) someone who's name i deleted: >I've picked up a CD e.p. "Clunk" by Frente and it's really good. Have they >released any other CDs? > heh. i used to be in a band called "clunk." we think. we never quite decided on whether it would be "clunk" or "forceps askew." one of these days i will revive a new improved clunk... paula shanks: > INTJ >(could there possibly be any E's on this list? it would seem that mainly > I's would gravitate to ectofodder) > um, ok, i'll bite: what the xxxx is INTJ, or E, or whatever? this isn't one of those dianetics things, is it? well, back to reading backlogged mail.... ta, brni ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 01:51:03 EST From: mojzes@monet.vill.edu (brni) Subject: mythologies well, it seems that my latenight blabberings about mythology inspired some dissent. > >>a thing of primary importance to myth is that it be, at some point, >>be considered true. when the ancient greeks talked of athena popping >>out of zeus' head, this was not a cute metaphorical story; this was >>truth. > >On this last point we can do no more than agree to disagree. I do not >subscribe to the notion that the ancient Greeks were not sufficiently >sophisticated to understand the power of metaphor. My experience of Greek >drama in particular indicates that they enjoyed a highly developed >understanding of figurative language including symbols, allegories, and >metaphor. The suggestion that the buildiers of the Parthenon were a >primitive race who could not distinguish between their actual daily >experience and the stories in their legends just won't wash. IMO. > the myths that i think are dominant in this (the contemporary western) world are: (speaking in a grande scale) xtianity (and to a smaller extent other major religions and goddess-worship) and capitalism/democracy. oops. i should have said "dominant mythologies" rather than "dominant myths." particular instances of myths are generally traceable back to the moral frameworks erected by these institutions. for example, many of the urban legends that float about are moralistic tales of what happens to people who have eschewed traditional (xtian) family values. television, on the other hand, produces a wide variety of myths that tell tales that reproduce the system already in place. a couple years ago i sat down with a video machine and a remote control and i randomly flipped through channels taping commercials. later, when i looked back on it, i was able to pick out certain trends (for example, that women in commercials tended to 1)play certain roles 2) when appearing on a screen with a man, the woman was on the left hand side and lower than the man, so that she could look up in order to see his face...there are a whole array of messages that tell us things that we (as a populous, not us ectofiles in particular)...that tell us things we already know. i'm listening to joy division right now, and some appropriate lyrics just occured: "its just second nature its what we've been shown we're living by your rules its all that we've known" um... i seem to be losing track of what i'm saying... hold on while i reread... look, its like this: the ancient greeks lived in a world that was held up by an arnold schwartzenegger likealook, where if you sailed out too far you fell off the edge of the world, where sea serpents ate people's ships and golden apples caused major wars. we've all lived through a time of evil empires and mutually assured nuclear destruction, where nicaragua was 1/2 days drive from texas, where using the wrong toilet paper causes communism in workers and ozzie ozbourne lyrics cause suicide and satanism... i never claimed that the ancient greeks were stupider than we are. they lived in a different world, with different ideas and different rules. (jargon warning) they operated under a different paradigm (or "episteme" as foucault would say). >This is not to say that I disagree that myths must be considered to be true >to qualify. I think this is an essential part of what makes a mythology >work. It must convey the essential truth that explains existance and >experience. As I believe I wrote in my original post: contrary to one >common (mis)use of the word, a myth is not something which isn't true, it's >something that is *ALWAYS* true. > i'm one of those people who are of the opinion that "truth" is (to quote neitzsche) "sedimented falsehood." and i also feel that the difference between what is true and what is false is more fuzzy than we may find comfortable. >>tolkien and roddenberry are storytellers, not mythmakers. tolkien >>especially told stories of mythic proportion and style, but that >>does not make them myths (unless people start believing in hobbits). > >This is at best a debatable point. You may argue that Tolkien failed in >his attempt to create a mythology for twentieth century England, you may >argue that he was mistaken in his belief that this was something which >could be attempted (perhaps because he did not properly understand what a >muthology was). But there can be little doubt that Tolkien himself >believed that the creation of a mythology was exactly what his >non-accademic writings were all about. This is well documented in his >letters. The edition edited by Humphrey Carpenter contains many instances >(I don't have the book at work with me today, but can provide references >tomorrow, if you're interested). "The Hobbit" and "The Lord of the Rings" >are quite atypical of Tolkien's mythological writings, and only >tangentially related to them. Almost none of this was published in >Tolkien's lifetime because he was constantly revising it. Fairly soon >after Tolkien's death his son Christopher prepared an edition of "The >Silmarillion" which is a good place to start, but for the real enthusiast >the essential work is Christopher Tolkien's "The History of Middle Earth" >which in its nine volumes (so far) presents the develoment of Tolkien's >mythology from the first "Book of Lost Tales" written while invalided out >of the Great War up to his father's death. These volumes contain the >writings themselves complete with variant texts, layers of accretions, and >re-writings, together with a carefully researched account of the >circumstances attending the writings and their interelationships (which are >exceedingly complex). For the general reader these volumes can be quite >hard going at times, but they leave no doubt that for all of his adult life >Tolkien was deeply engaged in the creation of an entire mythology which he >believed could serve his time in the way that Norse and Greek myths had >served theirs. > i've read _the silmarillion_ (in addition to the standards). it is fun, and interesting, and metaphorical and allagorical and all that, but i'd have a hard time claiming it to be a real mythology. i think that it is more of a fictional mythology, a story about a mythology, a history of a place that does not exist. it can be insightful, interesting and useful for understanding current trends and events and whatever, and yet still not be a myth. if tolkien's purpose was to provide a mythology for our time, then i fear that he was somewhat misguided. h. ross perot has done more in that vein than tolkien, because perot didn't set out to "make a mythology"-- he just started sayin' things the way he saw them, and pretty soon, people were thinking that perot was saying things that they'd beleived all along. >I know far less about Roddenberry (I'm not even sure how to spell the guy's >name :-)) (I'm sure, however, that there are plenty of people on this list >who can provide supporting or countering details) but from interviews I've >seen on a number of "Making of Star Trek" television programmes I get a >distinct sense that, to Gene, Star Trek was of far more significance than >just a space opera. There are Star Trek fans (and you may say they >represent the lunatic fringe, I couldn't possibly comment) who strongly >believe that Star Trek represents a mythology for the 20th century leading >into the 21st. > certainly something does not need to be a mythology to be significant or to be metaphorical or allagorical, or even just plain useful./ >I may be reading something into your post which was not (meant to be) >there, if so I appologise, but I get a sense that you are sugesting that >truth and fiction is a simple black and white duality and that any >narrative can be confidently assigned to exactly one of these categories. >Because they deal with questions of "why?" rather than "what?" or "how?", I >would claim that myths are not susceptible to this treatment. They are not >"true" in the way that we might say that we believe we can show Einstein's >theories of relativity to be true, by making scientific observations and >comparing them with the predictions of the theory. They are true in the >deeper and more significant sense that they provide a way of looking at the >world which is tractable to our minds and allows us to ask and answer >questions which are otherwise ineffible. > um, quite the opposite, actually. i don't believe in dualities, except as fictions themselves. not only do i not believe that myths are subject to a "true/false" evaluation, but that nothing is. "the only truth is that there is no truth." um, the above was steve fagg (>) and my response to him. below is vickie's response to diane, and me (of course). >> Do you believe it serves a purpose? >Yes, as wonderful storytelling. > >> How? >And, as a way to explain things before Science. > i think i deleted several people's posts that said the same sort of thing here, and finally decided to respond to this. science is a mythology. it is theories. it is models. (sometimes, its even modal) it is ways of looking at the world in order to get some grasp on it. it is useful for getting from day to day. i'm not picking on vickie...i'm just using her post to make a point that i think a lot of people miss. i need to sleep (again). i'll c y'all later. love, brni ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 1:56:24 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Help!!! Brian blooms about Rush Limbaugh: > So I think everyone should stop taking > him so seriously and consider him more of a stand-up comedian. ^^^^^^^^ Sit down, Brian, sit down comedian. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 02:17:03 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the dark saxophone) Subject: ectopics good news! friday afternoon, i brought my broken cd player to a local merchant for repairs. they said it would take about two weeks, which i found quite surprising since all that appears to be wrong with it is misalignment of the laser. we'll see. in the meantime, i'm borrowing meredith's cd box (which i would not have felt comfortable asking to borrow until i had done something concrete towards getting mine repaired) so i am finally getting a chance to rummage through all the discs that i've acquired since the fateful day. yay! reviews to come... in the meantime, here's some comments and replies on recent posts. Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) sez re: sarah and moev: >Wouldn't that have been an interesting collaboration? yeah, i would have loved to hear what the then-electrosynth moev would have sounded like with sarah singing. however, moev, at that time, was a pretty poppy band and sarah might not have fit well into what they were doing. you can get a taste of their early sound from a disc called _the early years_ which has all of their first album (the title of which i can not recall) and a couple tracks from their second, _zimmerkampf_. it does not, however, have perhaps the best early moev track - a 12" version of the song "cracked mirror." ah well. >my impression is that Moev could have been a pretty decent band >with a bit of a creative kick in the pants from an artist like Sarah. well, that's a debatable judgement to make on the basis of two albums that were recorded after the possibilty of sarah being their singer (but probably not the creative force behind the band, as that's been anthony valcic for the most part) had passed. _yeah, whatever_ is a total turnaround from what moev was doing before 1988. _head down_ continued along that path, albeit unsuccessfully imho. dbburke@mit.edu (Diane Burke) sez: >I haven't been able to respond to everybody because my supervisors >suspect I'm doing something fishy here. Alot of time on e-mail. Do >people post from home computers or you work for yourselves or you have >cool supervisors who don't care or you're students who are at the >terminal 24 hours/day anyway, or other? heh. i've had a bouncy history with e-mail at work. a few months after starting, i found out that we were on bitnet and i started using that account (remember rewoicc@erenj.bitnet?) for a lot of lists to distract me from the drudgery of engineering. after a while, someone in the systems group noticed that about 85% of the mail being exchanged over our connection was mine and inquired with my supervisor as to what was happening. i admitted that the majority of it was not work-related and switched everything (more or less) over to this account which i had just recently gotten. then, rutgers closed down their madison dialup which was what i had used to log on. in total frustration, i had all my mail to back to erenj so i didn't have to pay long distance phone bills to dial up rutgers. after about three months of this, i got flak from the systems folk again. by this time, though, i had become friends with some of the more important people there and they were sympathic to my plight when i explained it to them. they allowed me to continue once they found out that i would not have to resort to those extreme measures once i moved to new brunswick (which happened this past summer). once i moved, i switched everything back to rutgers except for two lists, once i which i was administering and the other of which is something like ecto, except that that virtual water cooler was just a circle of seven of so close friends from another list. eventually, one message from the first list got stuck in a mail loop and thus i was brought back to the attention of the sysadmin who issued an ultimatum to me. i quickly evacuated back to rutgers, thinking it wiser to retreat than to try and fight a loosing battle. as a result, i've had to give up admining that other list which is a bit of an annoyance, but so it goes. the most amazing thing is that throughout the whole mess, no one, to my knowledge, has gone through the contents of my email. i know this since if they had, they probably would have taken a more militant approach to dealing with me than they did. r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com sez: >One wonderful Shakespearian reference comes at the end of "All You Need >Is Love", from The Beatles. also check out a song called "shell" by peter hammill on his album _skin_ for another shakespeare ref, though it is somewhat fleeting and not that essential to the song's theme (the relationship between an actor, the audience and the performance). anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) sez: >Anyone here besides me got Sylvian's "Weatherbox"? Mere typed description >can't do this package justice... yup - got it. a lot of sylvian fans consider it a waste for some reason of another, but for me (who did not have anything except some dubs of his albums) it was a windfall. highly recommended if you feel like diving into david's career full-fledged. >> "Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things" - The Loud Family >Sue Trowbridge sent me this CD this week - it's fantastic stuff. damn, i gotta find this! i keep hearing all these good things about it, but i can never find it when i remember to look for it at record stores! argh! anthony, i hope you've fully investigated scott miller's earlier band (game theory) as well...if not, do so, dammit! :) Ilka Heber sez: >I just got a note from Nettwerk. They told me that Sarah will be coming >to Europe, but it will be summer '94 at the earliest. >I just thought I should share these wonderful news with you fellow >European Ectophiles (hi Claudia, Klaus, Dirk, Uli, Tim etc, etc...) amusing that you send this message through a computer in new jersey to alert your fellow europeans to this news. :) time to sleep. +woj ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 4:45:55 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Victoria Williams "Happy Come Home" on CD I had said: > Victoria on the turntable, I can't believe I actually said turntable. I *meant* CD, of course! Yes, "Happy Come Home" is now out on CD! After years of waiting. No, not waiting, becuause I assumed that I'd *never* see it on CD. It's a wonder to behold, and a wonder to listen to. In case anyone is curious, there aren't any extra tracks, and the lyrics aren't included :-(. Does it matter? Not at *all*! "Happy Come Home" on CD!! I keep looking at it, not believing what I'm seeing! Oooh, if I have any, *ANY* influence on what people buy in Ecto, please, *PLEASE* buy this. Even if you've never heard of Victoria, even if you've heard a bit and didn't like what you'd heard, even if you already have "Happy Come Home" on cassette or LP. *PLEASE* buy this, please! I'd get down on my knees and beg, but then I wouldn't be able to type :-). Why should you buy this? Well.... 1) Because Victoria deserves to be heard by *everybody*! 2) Because it will show Geffen Records and your local retailers that there *is* interest in it. It wouldn't suprise me if it were to go out-of-print fairly quickly. 3) Because it will make Victoria happy and hopefully some of the money will go to her to help her out financially. 4) Because it's *WONDERFUL*! 5) Because I'm asking you to :-) Disclaimer: Ok, it's not for everybody, I'll admit. It's not like anything you've ever heard before, guaranteed. Many will love it, but some might hate it. All I can say to the people who buy it and find they dislike it is that you'll have done a great service for a truly wonderful person, you can always give it away to someone you know or offer to sell it on Ecto, and still know your money was money well-spent. One other option though, is that if you listen to it quite a few times, it really, honest, might grow on you. Victoria's voice might be the first "problem" you might have. Needless to say, I *love* her voice, but I'll also admit that it's very unusual and could possibly drive someone crazy. Maybe not. I just want to warn that her voice is going to suprise you if you haven't heard it before. There's no one on the planet to even compare her voice to. It's absolutely one-of-a-kind. I love this album because it's unique, sweetly eccentric and charming. I can't catch all the lyrics, but most of them are understandable and they're the most wonderful lyrics, they are. Victoria's a talented singer/songwriter/musician, I love her voice and I can say with personal experience that she's one of the nicest people in the world. She's a storyteller at her core, and many songs are mini vignettes about her life as a child growing up in Louisiana. Her imagry is vivid no matter what she's singing about. Victoria doesn't have an ounce of pretention about her, and all her songs are gems, containing bits of wisdoms, slices of life, fascinating observations, interesting characters, great stories, and down-to-earth emotions. The arrangements on this album are quite a bit different from her second album "Swing The Statue," with more strings and busy little sound effects, courtesy of Anton Fier and Van Dyke Parks. All songs are original, except for a cover of James Cleveland's gospel classic "I'll Do His Will" (which absolutely floors me everytime I hear it, even though I'm an athiest.) Many well-known-in-their-field musicians play and sing on this album, including Carla Bley, T-Bone Burnett, Stephen Croce, Syd Straw and Lisa Herman (recently discussed here as being "Longhouse") among many others. *Please* look for this absolutely delightful and utterly charming album. Trust me, would I lie to you? Victoria Williams, "Happy Come Home" Geffen GEFD-24140 1) Shoes 2) Frying Pan 3) Merry Go Round 4) Happy 5) TC 6) I'll Do His Will 7) Big Fish 8) Animal Wild 9) Main Road 10) Lights 11) Opelousas 12) Statue Of A Bum 13) Poetry Some of my favorite lines (there are a *ton* of them): "You couldn't have got no badder than me, who am I to say how you should be? You couldn't have got no sadder than me, oh be sweet be free every day is poetry" "One laugh in the the middle of a struggle, a diamond in the middle of a puddle" "Do you ever walk someplace, just to take time?" "I looked at a frying pan, I seen a song. I looked at a dying man, he sang along" "If I have to go somewhere I don't take an extra pair of shoes, 'cause if I need another pair, well I can get them anywhere!" "The dew had not yet left the yard, diamonds in the grass. A wealthy girl I are...A hippo cloud passes overhead, followed by a cat cloud, with a ball of yarn in his paws. Hmmm" "When there's no wild, like animal wild, the laws of nature change the child" "And all the neighbors thought she was screaming (crazy, right out of her head) that she was happy" "Rosalee worked at White's Groceries (we'd get in trouble for goin' down there) and she'd give me corn pops for free" "Hank lived in the outskirts of town, in a box on the ground, on a lot where a house'd burned down. He read books by the fire, collected cans for cash, did odd jobs for widows who'd ask..." (I'd better quit...I haven't even scratched the surface of favorites) Vickie "When I get depressed, frustrated, I tell myself 'be like Victoria'" Jane Siberry ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 11:05:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Guys... +--- sometime in recent history, the suspended duct tape spoke thusly: | woj's mom pops these undesirable organs into a pot and boils them up | (neck included- eww) and then the family fights over who gets what- | the stomach seems to be the most sought-after item in this sick | little game. An anthropologist would have a field day, methinks. +------- Sounds similar to what what some Norwegians do to sheep heads (smalahovud). I'm not quite sure how they cook it, but they let the wool stay on - it mostly gets burnt away in the cooking process. Imagine an enticing piece of jaw bone on your plate :-) In this case, the most sought-after parts are the eyes. *SLURP* We have more revolting food customs - lutefisk is fish put in "lut" (the opposite of acid) for some time, until it's suitably jelly-like. Boil a little and serve with bacon fat, syrup and sweet potatoes. This is very popular food around Christmas. +--- I took the Myers-Briggs test the other day. I answered 110 very tedious questions courtesy of DDLI, and got a ranking of ESTP. (36E:34I, 32S:27N, 54T:18F, 17J:40P) For brni's and other's benefit, here's the key to the abbreviations: Extraversion <-> Introversion Sensing <-> iNtuition Thinking <-> Feeling Judging <-> Perceiving The test I took seemed very arbitrary - the only use I can think of is to play this game if spirits are too high at a party :-) Kjetil T. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 5:06:46 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Victoria Williams "Happy Come Home" on CD I forgot to add: "When I get depressed, frustrated, I tell myself 'be like Victoria'" Jane Siberry "Jane said *that*? Wow!" Victoria ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 5:09:15 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Hey Bday! He's not on the list, but... HAPPY BIRTHDAY to my son Adrian!! Vickie (one proud mama) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 11:35:36 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: Help!!! At 9:07 pm 18/12/93 -0800, Erik Johnson wrote: >Brian reveals: >|> Well, in spite of the liberal pro-gay and lesbian views I've expressed >|> here, I actually like Rush. ... stuff deleted ... >it's usually much harder to debate something when you don't know >what you're debating. Most of the traffic on the Usenet News would seem to be trying to disprove this last point! :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. 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