Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #920 ecto, Number 920 Tuesday, 21 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* More on Sarah Re: Good News! Re: ecto #916 Re: Caterwaul update or downdate I'm back! Hey Bdays! Re: The other side of the story Ectopically speaking Sarah McLachlan HGP, Scotland Liver!! I'M BEING WATCHED! Help!!! I've done it again, I'm a moron (NOT ECTO) I'd smooch y'all sloppily, but... ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 15:20:11 -0800 Subject: More on Sarah Michael sez: >On Thu, 16 Dec 1993 jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu wrote: > >> Jeff >> (who still hasn't heard FTE, but doesn't think he could ever trust the >> opinion of someone who would slag the second half of _Solace_) > >Jeff, I would never slag any of _Solace_, and I highly >reccommend FTE! Jeff, I was just kidding..._FTE_ is garbage. Hell, if it will get you to buy it. :) Then woj offers: >just keep listening to it over and over and over again and you'll soon >realize that there's no fall off at all...i've already developed a love- >hate relationship with this album. i love it dearly, but it's so good, >i hate to listen to it all the time (like i'm doing) in fear that i might >wear it out (mentally, not physically). i also hate the fact that it >ends. Yes and yes. Actually, I figure that if I can avoid playing _FTE_ to death until Jan. 25, I'll be safe because I can buy Tori's _Under the Pink_ and burn out on that instead. :) Oh dear, that's no solution... >moev released a few brilliant albums (with madeline morris singing), one >absolutely stunning album (_yeah, whatever_) and then quickly became ever >more uninteresting. once upon a time, sarah was going to sing for moev >(and, i believe, went as far as to record a few demos with them), but >it never happened in the end. i wonder what would have happened if it >did though. I gathered some of this from the liner notes in _Nettwerk Sound Sampler III_, which is why I asked. Wouldn't that have been an interesting collaboration? I have both _Yeah, Whatever_ and _Head Down_ (none of the Madeline Morris stuff...I didn't know about that, though it sounds like maybe I should check it out), and my impression is that Moev could have been a pretty decent band with a bit of a creative kick in the pants from an artist like Sarah. But she's probably much better off on her own, so who's complaining? Ethan ======================================================================== From: boek Subject: Re: Good News! Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 00:16:48 +0100 (MET) > Oh, one more thing - Chris Boek, you out there? Haven't seen you > recently on line! Send Email! Hi Bob and Ectom Well, thanks for asking! It's rather nice to be missed. Unfortunately I don't have an enormous amount of time to be spending on ecto, December is one of the busiest months of my life, but a nice kind of busy - I've been very actively travelling around, although I did have three exams last week as well, and I'm leaving for England in about five hours. Sleep ?? what sleep ... I've been really really getting into Tribe lately, and I'm forever indebted to Jessica for ensuring I got a chance to talk to them in NYC. Realy nice. Anyway, I won't be around for a couple of weeks while I'm i England, hopefully I'll see yuz all (metaphorically of course unless you live in England) in January ... Chris. -- --_ /| \ ) Christopher Boek boek@hacktic.nl | \_| / PieterMolijnlaan 12, 2343 ES Oegstgeest +31 71 173984 | | /x ( <-- LEIDEN | \ == _ | "Hebban olla vogala nestas hugunnan hinase hic anda ===---/ |( thu" - Earliest surviving Germanic text (Gothic) -- ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #916 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 17:43:03 CST From: Joe Zitt jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu enjefferates: > Basically, though, you should keep in mind that the 1st4 (V1-Ecto) were > written and performed by Happy and no one else. The "cheesy synths" can be > attributed to two things: she didn't have synths at home to play with, > program, and learn; and, she was heavily influenced by Wendy Williams. I > don't know if you've heard Williams' intepretations of Bach, but if you > have, you'll instantly recognize some of the stylistic concepts in Happy's > earlier synth work. Wendy O. Williams did Bach? Wow! Screechy soprano and chainsaw continuo! (What? Oh... Never mind...) ======================================================================== From: "Scott S. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: Caterwaul update or downdate Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 16:17:26 -0800 (PST) Alex Gibbs writes about Caterwaul: >oh well, it was a worthy cause. However he knows that Betsy Martin >and Kevin Pinnt are in their own band, perhaps called Sea Hags, and >have an otherwise new line-up. I really hope it goes well for them! The Sea Hags, eh? A few years ago there was a semi-popular band in San Francisco called the Sea Hags. They released one cassette on Chrysalis records that was fairly okay for that big hair, hard rock genre of music. It can probably be found now in the $2 bins. -Scott, writing to the 1% of the Ectophiles that might be interested in that little tidbit. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 17:19:45 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: I'm back! Yay! My mom just got a net account, so I can telnet to my site and talk to all you wonderful people! D^2 (of Waukesha) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 21:44:39 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Hey Bdays! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dirk Kastens!! (I hope you're well. *HUG*) HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Laura Clifford!! (*HUGS* I found them! Delicious!) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 22:42:08 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: The other side of the story This concerns rec.music.gaffa/Love-Hounds and is probably perplexing to anyone who doesn't follow that group/mailing list. John Sandovals: > >Oh, and Vickie, I'd like to hear the Jorn story... and Sam Warrens: > Me too. Last night, as I was reading through Love-Hounds, I came across the > explanation Jorn has for this whole inferno. He said something about you > having misinterpreted his meaning early on, and how he tried to apologize, > you wouldn't listen. I thought "Gee, that doesn't sound like Vickie. I would > think she'd give a person a chance." So I would actually like to hear your > side of the story. What's wrong with you guys? Everybody else is telling me (in gaffa and, oh, you should see my e-mail) to SHUT UP AND GO AWAY! Is there actually someone on this planet who wants to hear *my* side of it? *HUGS* to you both, and thanks. I did post my version a little while ago, so you should see it tomorrow. Everytime a "JornWar" comes up in gaffa, I automatically have to "go Alaska" from Ecto. Though it's never happened, I live in terror that my sarcastic, flame-broiled side will come out somehow here. I'm a different person here. I like to think that the Ecto, "huggy" me is the "real" me, and that gaffa gives me the opportunity to vent my aggressions when needed. At the same time, it puts incredible pressure on me, thinking "yeah, I'm a bitch. I just try to hide it from Ectophiles." It confuses me, that so many people on gaffa hate me, and so many people in Ecto love me. Which do I most deserve, the love or the hate? I know what I'd tell *myself* and I know what so many of you wonderful people would tell me. It's confusing too, that I flame on gaffa, but gaffa is *important* to me. Not like it used to be, but hell, gaffa's why we got on the net in the first place. Gaffa's where I met many of you fine people. And yeah, gaffa's still a great place to find potential Happy fans. And yeah, Ecto wouldn't exist if not for gaffa. Mainly though, gaffa is a *KATE BUSH* newsgroup/mailing list. I still think that's awesome! Happy's my Holy Ghost, and really, she's more important to me *personally*, but Kate is my Goddess, and always will be. I'd really rather not tell any more about this "JornWar" here. For one thing, I'd prefer not to talk about Jorn behind his back, it would give him fodder for fire and it would look bad to people who don't understand what's going on. (Remember Jody, who left because we were discussing Cynthia Rosas in Ecto? I don't want a repeat of that.) For another thing, I want to keep gaffa flame wars on gaffa. Ecto's too special to drag it down in the mud. Jorn hates Ecto, and thinks all Ectophiles are against him. He's said that numerous times in gaffa, so I'm not telling a "secret" but unless he posts a flame directly to Ecto, I'll refrain from posting flames *about* him on Ecto. (Read them in gaffa :-) ) I love you all, I really do. *HUG* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 21:39:26 PST From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Ectopically speaking I've been up to my ears in alligators at work, so I've got several things saved up to answer here. Nothing to it but to do it... Alan Ezust differs: |> [In message "Re: Deep Forest's "Sweet Lullaby" & have DCD :)" on Dec 15, Erik Johnson writes:] |> | by itself). If you've seen the video on MTV, the rest of the album is |> | in the same style; they didn't grab an unusual track. I'm not quite sure |> |> I might beg to differ on you here. I think the title track, "Deep Forest" |> and the second one, "Sweet Lullaby" are both amazing, but the rest of the |> album is really not as inspired. Okay, differ away; I give you full permission. :-) I guess it's a matter of degree - how far do you have to go before "not as inpired" contradicts "in the same style"? I'd not argue about those being the best tracks, but it's not like the rest are bad. Just not as good. :-) I just meant that if "Sweet Lullaby" caught your attention on MTV, the rest of the album continues the same themes, and doesn't degenerate into plain, undistinguished dance tracks. It's a minor peeve of mine, hearing one great track from an album but finding the rest of the album is nothing like the track I like. Alan also notes about DF & _Into The Labyrinth_: |> It's funny, I bought both CDs on the same day, and when I made a tape for |> I put DF on one side and DCD on the other! and Jeff counters with: |> Jeff |> (who has _his_ copy of _Deep Forest_ taped on the back of Trio Bulgarka's |> _The Forest is Crying_) How can I compete? I don't *have* my copy taped. I just play the CD in the car. ;-D Actually, I hooked up my Discman into the tape deck. It works well, but the key is a shock-resistant mounting plate I found where I bought the unit. Jeffrey A. Pearce appreciates: |> I don't recall who mentioned her, but someone recently posted about an |> artist named Stina. Over the weekend I happened on her album titled |> "Memories of a Color" for a measly $1.00, so I bought it. The album is |> really a delight. I just wanted to thank whoever it was that mentioned it. For only $1.00?!? I'm so jealous. I got my copy used, but it was $8.99. I like it too, so thanks to whomever. (Vickie? I remember you mentioned it as well, but I seem to remember someone else, too...) Who does her voice remind you all of? It took me a while to pick it up, but I thought it sounded like the soft slur of Rickie Lee Jones (her first, at least, which is what I've got) coupled with the slightly offbeat emphasis of Edie Brickell or Suzanne Vega, where the words that get accented don't match the lyric content as much as the music. Or is it all my imagination? :-) Vickie perplexes: |> What's wrong with you guys? Everybody else is telling me (in gaffa and, |> oh, you should see my e-mail) to SHUT UP AND GO AWAY! Is there actually |> someone on this planet who wants to hear *my* side of it? *HUGS* to you |> both, and thanks. I did post my version a little while ago, so you should |> see it tomorrow. They just beat me to it; I'd love to hear it too, and I'll go find it on gaffa when I get the chance. But from what I've seen in gaffa (which admittedly falls to work long before Ecto), I wouldn't worry about the other side you display there. Newsgroups get a far, far higher share of clueless and callous behavior, that sometimes needs to be correctedby someone who cares. I'm on a Pink Floyd list that *refuses* to get gatewayed. It gets proposed by a new subscriber every six months or so, and voted down hard because the community would be drowned by fools posting "Floyd sucks! Metallica rules!" and by the flaming that would follow. Here in Ecto, everyone had to find out about it and make a concious effort to join, and we really have a sense of community that just can't be found in a newsgroup environment. Gaffa is still a great place to start (it's where I found rdt & Ecto), but as long as it's attached to Usenet, it will have traditional Usenet flamewars. Ecto is different and I love it, and I suspect that your harder, protective side will never *need* to come out here. So call us in Alaska, if it all turns out right. All right? There's all sorts of things that I should have said earlier, but never got the chance: Fuzzy blue healings to Holly and her flu. Stay warm, and drink lots of fluids (especially chicken soup - it actually works). To Bob Lovejoy, I'm *so* glad to hear your mother's doing well. Best wishes to her, and if you need someone in the area on short notice, I'm willing and (hopefully :) able. Yngve, they say bad news always comes in threes; I hope that your three are over and things go well. I hope Birgit tests out safely. And in the final place of honor, *HUGS* to Vickie, big *HUG*s and lots of them. I can only imagine going through an experience like that, but imagination's more than enough for me. Getting through all that, and still being here and supportive is a great journey. All I can offer is that the dark times will make the bright ones better by contrast. Hold on, and keep surviving. *HUGS* to all, and thanks for keeping Ecto the warm place it is. Erik ____________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson INTP Don't believe the return address. KLA Instruments Corp. The one and only True Address is: San Jose, CA e_johnso@kla.com. GE/CS d-- -p+ c+(++++) l u+ e- m+(--)* s++/+ !n h+ f+ !g(+) w+ t@ r+@ y+(*) My goliard mind pauses, seized by story. Words weave stronger than rope. ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 15:09:07 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: Sarah McLachlan Hi there, I just got a note from Nettwerk. They told me that Sarah will be coming to Europe, but it will be summer '94 at the earliest. I just thought I should share these wonderful news with you fellow European Ectophiles (hi Claudia, Klaus, Dirk, Uli, Tim etc, etc...) Ilka = ) ======================================================================== From: Albert Philipsen Subject: HGP, Scotland Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 17:45:09 +0100 (MET) Doug Burks writes: >So the Happy Gift Project is currently madly under >construction. However, I wanted to take some time to give the final list >of contributors: [some names deleted] > Jennifer Albert I never knew my first name could be someone's last name too. How cool! :) Neile speaks: >On Wed, 15 Dec 1993 jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu wrote: > >> >I can't believe that 6 months from now I'll be back in >> >Scotland...whoever's in touch with Beth, tell her to meet us in Stromness >> >on June 16th. >> >> Sorry, Beth is back in DC. She'll be up in the ice fields for a while in >> late winter (mid-feb to the end of March) and then she may be in >> Newfoundland for a bit/while. So far as I know, no current plans for more >> work in Orkney. > >Oh, sorry, I knew that. I'm trying to tempt her into going back again. >Any other ectophiles want to meet up with us there? Beautiful landscape, >neolithic tombs, neolithic villages, brochs, castles, a 12th century >church with saint Vikings in stained class, a neolithic tomb with Viking >graffiti all over the walls, stone circles, standing stones, puffins, >seals, skuas, half-sunken ships from the wars, gorgeous rocky beaches... YES!!! I've always wanted to see all those things, so I'd love to come to some kind of gathering of Ectophiles in Scotland. It would be perfect if it took place on June 17th, because that's my birthday. :) Albert ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 13:25:58 From: dbburke@mit.edu (Diane Burke) Subject: Liver!! I used to *crave* liver on a monthly basis. Rare liver w/ worcestershire (sp?) sauce. A1 sauce. That was just about the only red meat I ate. I felt bad about the liver because, yeah, I heard the "garbage can of the animal" thing, toxins, etc. I told my chiropracter and he told me to get seaweed, kelp... I found these chips "sea chips" which are great!! Now I crave those monthly. And I thank Aphrodite for her gifts whenever I eat them. And I remember Corsica and how amazingly beautiful, clean and warm the water was. The chips claim to be free of pollutants, but I always take what I read on food packaging with a bag of salt. DB ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 13:46:31 From: dbburke@mit.edu (Diane Burke) Subject: I'M BEING WATCHED! Hi. Thanks to all who responded re: mythology. The paper I was asked to write was to be 2 pages. No way I could write mythology in 2 pages. I've been wanting to do this paper since my class began and over the term I've been gathering more and more information through reading and discussions and you people. I haven't been able to respond to everybody because my supervisors suspect I'm doing something fishy here. Alot of time on e-mail. Do people post from home computers or you work for yourselves or you have cool supervisors who don't care or you're students who are at the terminal 24 hours/day anyway, or other? Today's saturday and I came in to get caught up on my work and since nobody's here but us chickens... I'm overwhelmed by responses I'd like to make. So, instead I'll just go buy some new HR cds. Whatever they have at HMV. It's taking them forever to get "WARPAINT"!! DB ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 10:20:14 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Help!!! I'm surrounded by dittoheads! My parents are both ardent Rush Limbaugh fanatics, and I'm being slowly worn down by it.. I don't consider myself a liberal, I'm more centrist, leaning slightly to the left (I'm fairly conservative economically, but pretty liberal socially). I need some balance! What's more, I need some hard proof that Rush can be a real buffoon. Will anyone be my Knight (or Knightess) in Equal Time Armor? :) D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 14:34:26 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Help!!! DeeTwo is trapped! > I'm surrounded by dittoheads! > > My parents are both ardent Rush Limbaugh fanatics, and I'm being slowly > worn down by it.. I don't consider myself a liberal, I'm more centrist, > leaning slightly to the left (I'm fairly conservative economically, but > pretty liberal socially). I need some balance! What's more, I need some > hard proof that Rush can be a real buffoon. Oh boy! Last night was an amazing night for talk shows. David Letterman was trading snipes with his guest Rush Dumball, while Jay Leno was trading snipes with Howard Stern-o. What fun! We were flipping back and forth furiously, not wanting to miss a jibe. Of course, both Dumball and Stern-o came off looking like the assholes they are (IMHO). I just die of embarrassment whenever Dumball mentions that he used to live and work in Kansas City. I never listened to the radio there (except for KKFI and the NPR station) and didn't follow the Royals closely (he used to be their announcer) so I really don't remember him from there. I'm *SO* glad he left! Kansas City's far too good a city for that nasty, hateful, dishonest, stupid jerk. I can't *stand* Rush Limbaugh, can you tell? :) Call if you need a level, liberal head to talk to :-) (well, maybe not "level" but..., and not *always* that "liberal" but...) Vickie ======================================================================== From: Jeremy Corry Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 17:10:08 -0500 Subject: I've done it again, I'm a moron (NOT ECTO) Many may remember me posting this about Shakespeare's Sister: > Very unfortunately, this band has broken up. Guess why? Because > Marcella Detroit has this severe problem with depression, and can't > seem to stay out of the hospital. She loves not fitting in, so I'm > willing to she's the impetus behind this song. I really screwed up. Shakespeare's Sister was made up of Marcella Detroit and Siohban Fahey. Siobhan Fahey is the one who has had a history of mental illness. She is also married to Dave Stewart from the Eurythmics. Marcella Detroit appears recently on Elton John's _Duets_ album. I don't know if anyone cares about this band, but I felt like a moron for mixing up the names. -Jeremy "You don't look like an adult." to no one in particular. --Lorne Garretson, MD Director, Poison Control, State of GA ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 17:14:54 -0500 (EST) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: I'd smooch y'all sloppily, but... ...I'm still sick. I'm not as sick as I was, and I want to thank everybody for wishing me well, especially Tim Cook (who is as handsome in paper mail as he his in email ;) who sent me a get-well "SantaGram" (?). Wanna hear about my groovy fun trip to the doctor's office? Read on! Iffen you don't want to hear me whine about my health, skip to the end of this message for some Happy-related stuff. :) I dragged myself to Student Health Services last Monday, or Tuesday (hee hee--I just reminded myself of the opening line of _The Stranger_. Heh. Stranger things have happened, I guess) and I was weeping and feeling monumentally bad all over and it was so busy it took about an hour and forty-five minutes to be seen by a doctor. While I was waiting for the doctor, the nurse-practitioner put me in the examining room and popped in every fifteen minutes or so to check on me. The wait seemed like forever; the first time the nurse came back after telling me to wait, I was all teary and choked-up and I said, "I thought you had forgotten about me." That nurse looked so apologetic and she looked like she wanted to pick me up and hug me because I looked and felt like a dirty old raggity doll. I looked *awful*. I sounded awful, too. Wanna know what I sounded like? Take a tin pan and put gravel in in and then rattle the pan around some. Hear that? That was the timbre of my voice. Anyway, the nurse listened to my breathing and was startled by this little gurgle sound in my chest. She asked, "Are you hungry? Is that your stomach grumbling." I said, "Nope, that's just me gurgling. I'm NOT hungry, I don't wanna eat anything! Don't make me eat anything!" The nurse assured me (not in these terms) that Student Health Services had no plans to include a restaurant and that I wouldn't find anything to eat in the building unless I had a fondess for medical supplies. When the nurse came back to make sure I'd not snotted myself to death, I said, "I hope you didn't bring me any food because I'm NOT going to eat it!" The nurse laughed, which is what I wanted her to do. That poor nurse was being run off her feet, and she really did seem to care about the students she was treating. The nurse left me again, and I waited and felt abandonned and cried a little bit and paced around the room. When the nurse came back, she had me push my breath into this clear plastic thingee. The plastic thingee was some kind of measuring device. I would have asked her exactly what it was, but I was too interested in how I "scored" on the thingee. The nurse looked very troubled. I felt like I had just failed a test I'd stayed up all night studying for. Then the nurse reached in the pocket of her lab coat and produced a yello inhaler thingee and told me how to use it. "Inhaler?" I thought. "Only *sick* people need those! I must be genuine, 100%, Grade-A, certifiably sick if I have to use one of those jobbies! Dag, yo! An inhaler! Nothin' halfway about me, no siree, I'm really really sick!" Feeling sort of proud of my ability to be *that* sick, I inhaled the whatever-it-was that was in the inhaler, and after being abandoned once again by the nurse, I crawled up on the examining table, stretched out (ripping the paper that covered it), cried some mre (yeah, yeah, call me a cry-baby, it's okay; it's okay because I was really really sick and had the inhaler to prove it!) and waited. The doctor and the nurse came into the room and the doctor listened to my breathing, made me breathe to the clear plastic measuring tube thingee, and the nurse noticed I had stoped gurgling. I scored higher on the plastic tube breath thingee the second time I took it. (Heh. Had time to prepare for it :) I was gurgling because my lungs weren't getting the air I was taking in when I breathed. Ick. Sick lungs. The doctor took off and the nurse told me I was sick with bronchitis/pneunomitis and wrote me a prescription for an antibiotic I can pronounce but not spell, a very potent sudafed-like substance, and gave me an inhaler to take home with me. And that is where I am. I'm at home, recovering. I'm feeling better than I was, but this morning I woke up (at noon, heh) feeling worse than I did yesterday. I don't sound like gravel anymore, though I have little trouble sounding like Kim Carnes if I sing "Bette Davis Eyes." Anyway, thanks again for all the nice messages of well wishing and healing! It feels good to be thought of! ObHappy: I invited Happy to the Ectogathering I'm having at my house, and on the invitation I told her that I'd understand if she couldn't make it and that I'd still love her whether she showed up or not. Happy sent me a note in return, graciously declining my offer and thanking me for still loving her. :) Holly ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 19:10:44 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Help!!! Hiya David, I'm ccee(Ryder)ing to Ecto. > Vick, > > What's your phone number there in Chi-town? I don't have it here. (312) 508-5283 (aka 508-KATE, really!) > What dates are good to set up an ecto-fete? I'll be around til Jan 4. > > Hope to hear from you soon! I owe you a deep apology for spacing off this weekend, especially since I was the one who suggested it. I'm very sorry, I am. I don't know if you've been following gaffa, but I'm kind of "embroiled" there at the moment, and I've been shutting everything else out. Anyway, we're not going to Kansas City, and my son Adrian isn't :-(coming up for the holidays this year. About putting together an EctoFest, how does the 26th sound? That's Sunday a week, day after the 25th :-). Now how about other Chicagophiles? Will anybody else be around to come? Kiri, you'll be in town then won't you? Unfortunately Valerie won't be here yet. I'M *SO* excited about Valerie moving to Chicago!! Yay! We'll have another EctoFest when she's here, especially if Tim and Steve are coming early next year! See, I really am excited about these things but I've been in a funk. Oddly, not a depression as such, just down, drained. One on top of the other...but I really feel so much better now, as a matter of fact I'm in a pretty good mood. Victoria on the turntable, Chris gone to get pasta, friends (Kim & Charley) coming over to watch "Angel At My Table" (which I've never seen before) and the cats being cats (except The Other One, he thinks he's a dog) and talking to Ecto. Life is good! Isn't that wonderful? I ought to fight with Jorn more often, it's good for my blood. (It's all over now btw. He's toast as far as I'm concerned. He can post what he wants, but I refuse to dignify him by answering him again, so that "ought to fight" remark was not serious) So where was I? We'll get together, absolutely. You know, you can come down anytime you like, it doesn't have to be formally set up in advance. Drop in, watch TV, listen to music, hang out. We're easy, you just have to call first. I mean really, if you need to get away from R**h :-) What are you doing tonight? Of course, I still want to have an EctoFest and if the 26th is good with everybody, then we'll do that. Calling all Chicagophiles-26th? (Welcome back, Chip! *HUG*) Vickie > (414) 782-0835 ======================================================================== Subject: Re: I'd smooch y'all sloppily, but... Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 19:23:46 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Holly shares with us her visit to the student health service: >The nurse left me again, and I waited and felt abandonned and cried >a little bit and paced around the room. When the nurse came back, >she had me push my breath into this clear plastic thingee. The plastic >thingee was some kind of measuring device. This was a "peak flow meter." How do I know? I don't just get to use 'em at the doctor's office. I *OWN* one. >Then the nurse reached in the pocket of her lab coat and produced a >yello inhaler thingee and told me how to use it. Let's see. Yellow. That would be...Proventil, one of the two brands of albuterol currently on the market. That one's made by Schering. It's also available in a high-fashion blue inhaler under the name Ventolin. Don't recall the maker. If you get the pink/purple inhaler, that means you're worse, it's an inhaled steroid. >"Inhaler?" I thought. "Only *sick* people need those! Wow! Does that mean I get to call in sick whenever I want? >I scored >higher on the plastic tube breath thingee the second time I took it. Albuterol works *extremely* quickly. Thank goodness. >I was gurgling because my lungs weren't getting the air I was taking >in when I breathed. Welcome to the wonderful world of asthma... >nurse told me I was sick with bronchitis/pneunomitis and wrote me >a prescription for an antibiotic I can pronounce but not spell Ooh! I wonder if it was the same one *I* had to take after I was sick for close to 6 weeks? They tried me on Floxin ("oflafloxacin") but that didn't work and did scary things to my body (basically felt like a 3-day long massive caffeine buzz) so they tried Biaxin (a nasty sort of "super" erythromyacin) and that turned the trick. Unfortunately, this bout with bronchitis set off the worst period I've had with my asthma since fall '91 and I'll be on *extra* drugs for at least another 6 weeks. :-( >And that iswhere I am. I'm at home, recovering. Glad to hear it! >ObHappy: I invited Happy to the Ectogathering I'm having at my >house Speaking of which, did you get my e-mail regarding when Tim B. would be in town? Perhaps it arrived when you were too sick to parse it... I've got moderate chronic asthma which is to say that I use an inhaler every day, anywhere from 1 to 4 times, depending on how healthy I've been of late. At my worst, I've used 3 inhalers each 4 times a day, in addition to anti-histamines, allergy shots, and oral steroids (inhaled steroids don't have side effects; oral ones do). Until this latest bronchitis came along, I'd been doing extremely well; even at the height of allergy season, I wasn't needing anti-histamines (thanks to 2+ years of ongoing allergy shots) and was only needing my albuterol once or twice a day. It'll be a while before I'm back to that level. :-( So where is this heading? It's heading in the direction where I bitch and moan about people who smoke. Dunno if there are any smokers out there on Ecto, but I feel like sharing the fact that I find it incredibly offensive to see someone destroying *by choice* their lungs, while I'm stuck with a bum set. And to further have to hear pissing and moaning about how people can't smoke on planes, or have to step outside their office building, or whatever, is just that much more horrible. So come on...if you smoke, quit. Or at least do me the favor of trading lungs with me--ruin a set that's already fucked up. Anyway, glad to hear you're on the road to recovery, Holly... Jeff ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)