Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #917 ecto, Number 917 Friday, 17 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Anne Rice paper Stina RE: The stuff that titles of Humphrey Bogart movies are made of Re: ...touch the SUN! Its the SUN! Re: Beware the ides of December Re: MY GOD: an eddi reader fan! Re: Compilation tape line-up RE: The stuff that titles of Humphrey Bogart movies are made of thankyou and goodnight... Re: Update from Mt. Zion Thoughts on moving... New Sarah and Peter ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 11:27:41 CST From: Courtney Subject: Anne Rice paper witht the exception of Klaus and Claudia, I have attempted to send out the Anne Rice file/mail to everyone who asked for it. I hope everyone got it ok, the attempt forced me to learn a whole new format of mail from my school lab computers. Let me know if you did NOT receive it. Ok? Anthony..please forgive me for sending it to you thrice..and only once successfully!*smile* K&C..be looking for the file next..i just have to do some digging before i can send it to you. I wont be around much longer before I go home for Xmas break..so happy holidays everyone! Courtney ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 12:43:14 -0500 From: pearceja%pomis.dnet@wl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Stina I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 16-Dec-1993 12:35pm EST From: Lt Jeffrey A. Pearce PEARCEJA Dept: POSF Tel No: 55451 TO: _MAILER! ( _DDN[ECTO@NS1.RUTGERS.EDU] ) Subject: Stina I don't recall who mentioned her, but someone recently posted about an artist named Stina. Over the weekend I happened on her album titled "Memories of a Color" for a measly $1.00, so I bought it. The album is really a delight. I just wanted to thank whoever it was that mentioned it. :) Jeff pearceja@wl.wpafb.af.mil ======================================================================== Date: 16 Dec 1993 09:26:54 U From: "emilyb" Subject: RE: The stuff that titles of Humphrey Bogart movies are made of Steve Fagg's Mac wrote on Thu, Dec 16, 1993 3:49 AM: >Nor the difference between eating some parts of an animal but not being >willing to eat the kidneys, liver, heart, tongue, brains, sweetmeats, and >so forth. A friend of mine loves eating fish, but he won't touch it if >it's served with the head still attached! Well, when it comes to liver, a nurse I know pointed out "That's the garbage can of the animal. It filters out all the toxins, and retains a bunch of 'em. Why would you want to knowingly ingest all that nastiness?" Personally, I can't stand the texture or the taste. :-) -- Emily (who's very glad that her mail gateway is up again, since she didn't get *one* piece of mail yesterday, and she *knew* that the ectophiles weren't suddenly being silent...) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 18:03:45 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: ...touch the SUN! Its the SUN! At 5:30 pm 15/12/93 +0000, KR. Plowright wrote: > **MY GOD someone who likes eddi reader!** ... unsolicited rave :-) deleted ... > -END OF UNSOLICITED RAVE...- Eddi Reader has quite few fans on Ecto actually. Vickie, as one might expect, is quite a champion of hers. I only recently found the "Mirmama" album and it's one of may current favourites. Perhaps, being in Bristol, you got to see Eddi's recent (well earlier this year sometime) TV series where she did a kind of Female Scottish Jools Holland impression and sang songs with live guests of a vaguely unknown but generally quite interesting nature. I missed most of these, but those I did catch were well worth the licence fee. There was also a fairly recent documentary about her on TV which covered her Fairground Attractions days up to the present time. I hope she's going to continue making records, because that voice of hers is certainly something special! > OOOO ARGH! this mail has just done a nasty boomerang type thing on >me. I dont understand, help! Still, im trying again, si it better work >this time, or there'll be trouble, you mark my words!! :-} Well, it worked OK both times, so I hope no trouble was had!! :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 18:11:28 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: Beware the ides of December At 3:45 pm 15/12/93 -0600, U15289 wrote: >Last weekend I went to a reel of award-winning commercials from the Cannes >film festival, and noticed a commercial for a German product was entirely in >English. I got to wondering whether the tendency of recording artists on the >Continent to record in English (cf. these pages a few months ago) was not so >much for the American market as the European one, because while not all Euro- >pean nationals speak all European languages, all or most speak English. Something that might be a factor here is the growing popularity of direct broadcasting by satellite in Europe. People in several different countries can pick up the same programming, so the gradual adoption of English as a lingua franca may be encouraged by that. Not, IMO, a good thing even if it may make life easier for lazy buggers like me (a smattering of French and no other foreign langauages at all). Off at a slight tangent, several satellite channels now use several audio sub-carriers so that the same pictures can be accompanied by sound in varying languages (especially useful for sports commentary). -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 18:32:00 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: MY GOD: an eddi reader fan! At 10:31 pm 15/12/93 -0500, Jeremy Corry wrote: >Kim Plowright wrote: >> **MY GOD someone who likes eddi reader! > >WHO? ... unsolicited rave deleted (now where have I read that before?) ... >OMIGOD!!! Fairground Attraction!!! >I remember very clearly when they first became popular in Britain, I absolutely >adored Eddie Reader. Her voice is chthonian, extramundane, deific, cool, >dandy, dreamy, groovy, keen, neat, nifty, sensational, swell even. And they >were so campy, it was fab. Then, I moved back to America, and only ever heard >them one time after that. I assumed that was the end of my Fairground >experiences. :+( They actually only made the one album together, "First of a Million Kisses". A compilation of singles B-sides and such (including a live version of one track from the album) called "Ay Fond Kiss" was released later, possibly not until after the band had broken up. As far as I am aware, the only other album featuring Eddi (note spelling) is the "Mirmama" album credited to Eddi Reader and the Patron Saints of Imperfection. If you enjoyed Fairground Attraction because of Eddi's voice, then this album is also a must have. I don't know how readily available it would be in the US, I've been looking for it for months myself (ever since Vickie mentioned its existence in these very pages) and only landed a copy this week. >It's wonderful to have UK-ectophiles around to hear from. Sorry you have to >live in Bristol though (personal opinion only!). Now that, sir, is fightin' talk. :-) You surely cannot expect to make off the cuff remarks of this sort and not be challenged to back them up! :-) Just maybe Mr. Plowright is happy being at Bristol Uni., and I can think of several hundred places in the UK I would less like to be living in than Bristol myself, so what gives???? What has Bristol ever done to you????????? :-) :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 18:34:42 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: Compilation tape line-up At 9:36 am 16/12/93 -0500, jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu wrote: >Basically, though, you should keep in mind that the 1st4 (V1-Ecto) were >written and performed by Happy and no one else. The "cheesy synths" can be >attributed to two things: she didn't have synths at home to play with, >program, and learn; and, she was heavily influenced by Wendy Williams. I >don't know if you've heard Williams' intepretations of Bach, but if you >have, you'll instantly recognize some of the stylistic concepts in Happy's >earlier synth work. That would be "Carlos". Wendy (ne Walter) Carlos, of "Switched on Bach" fame. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Compilation tape line-up Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 13:54:55 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu In reference to my reference to Wendy Williams, Steve pointed out: >That would be "Carlos". Wendy (ne Walter) Carlos, of "Switched on Bach" fame. Ever since a particular poetry workshop I took one semester, in which we read a fair amount of Walter Carlos Williams' poetry, I've had a horrible time with Wendy Carlos' name (for vaguely obvious reasons). How embarassing... Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 19:19:39 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: RE: The stuff that titles of Humphrey Bogart movies are made of At 9:26 am 16/12/93 +0000, emilyb wrote: >Steve Fagg's Mac wrote on Thu, Dec 16, 1993 3:49 AM: >>Nor the difference between eating some parts of an animal but not being >>willing to eat the kidneys, liver, heart, tongue, brains, sweetmeats, and >>so forth. A friend of mine loves eating fish, but he won't touch it if >>it's served with the head still attached! > >Well, when it comes to liver, ... stuff deleted ... >Personally, I can't stand the texture or the taste. :-) Now *THAT* is a reason I can relate to! :-) It seems to me like a far more defensible reason than many that are offered. There's often a lack of rigour in the thinking behind people's decisions on what to eat and what not to eat, but if it comes down to "I don't eat it 'cos I don't like it" well that's clear as anyone could wish for. Which leads me on to... Doug Burks was wondering if I looked askance at Jewish, Hindu, and Muslim restrictions on diet. I would like to take this opportunity to make it as clear as possible that the answer is a resounding *NO*. Although I do not share them, I have great respect for people's religious beliefs and would never criticise somebody for following the dietary laws of their faith. If my remarks upset anybody whose religion forbids certain foods then I unreservedly appologise and assure them that it was entirely unintentional. Indeed I was acutely aware of the religious dimension to many dietary decisions and tried to be careful to steer well clear of anything that might be inferred as criticism of that sort. What (as I reported in my previous post) *AMUSES* me (I did choose that word with some care, to be sure I selected the most accurate one) is that some people for no clearly articulable reason at all, religious or otherwise, turn up their noses at foods that as far as I can see they offer no rational justification for not eating. A couple of possible rationalisations have been offered in these pages (animals reared for other purposes, and liver retaining toxins filtered from the blood), but these are not ostensibly why (in the cases I refer to) the food is thought unfit for consumption. As far as I'm aware, no religiious, or other principle is a stake here (nor is it a general lack of articulation - that I find sad rather than risible); if I thought there were I would respect it. The question of anthropophagia was also raised, and since this posting has taken a somewhat serious tone I'll add that while I would be concerned about the prospect of people killing people for food, I would not shun anybody who in the archtypical Andean plane crash scenario had eaten the bodies of casulties to survive. Once dead, the human body is just meat and bone and so forth, IMO. I'm sorry, Emily, that this post has turned out to be far more of a response to Doug than to you. :-( -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: "KR. Plowright" Subject: thankyou and goodnight... Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 19:36:21 +0000 (GMT) Oh dear. help. Im going home and i wont be able to hang out with the ectophiles... Jeremy corry...who likes eddi reader.. bristol isnt that bad! ok, so it rains. but its a positive thing! anyhow ill be glad to get home to canterbury: much smaller and prettier... if any one ever fancies writing me snail mail to keep me in touch: heres my address. kim plowright flat 3 16 gordon road canterbury kent ct1 3pw england neal copperman: isnt 'the piano' superb? i cried so much. it was a real release. now, can anyone teach me sign language? incedentally, not only did holly hunter play the piano, she also taught the young girl sign language. more talent than previously thought possible... best wishes to your mother, bob. *hugs* sorry if i got shirty about the plowing.. i was having a bad day. social relations (i.e. Snogging) in my hall have just reached critical mass, and i had six people in tears in my room last night. I went and hid in a cemetery in the end: look ghoulish enough and people are loath to disturb you... it is, after all, a _Very Silly Name_ WELL! good bye, and happy christmas all. I really hope i can drop by again soon. Please UNSUBSCRIBE ME AS OF 18th DEC personal mail can still be sent as ill try and access my account from u.k.c. oooh no... whats the net equivalent of running alongside a departing train? lots of love and hanky waving kim ... A winters day / in a deep and dark december / i am alone ... ======================================================================== From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Re: Update from Mt. Zion Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 20:58:44 +0100 (MET) Bob Lovejoy writes: > Today my mom had a triple bypass, and the prognosis is good. She is >now back in the ICU, hooked up to the machine that goes "ping!" and >hopefully on the road to recovery. I'm happy to hear that, and hope she'll have a speedy recovery. Send her my best wishes! > I hope I didn't ramble too deleriously in my post last night. I just >wanted everybody to know how special they all are! I'm not really a new age >noodler, just a seeker after truth. Be here now. I didn't think you were rambling at all! :) Your post was my favourite of that day's digests. Let me quote a bit from it: > Every human being is a miracle. Each of us contains a universe within, >teeming with life. Our time on this planet is short. While we are here we >must become aware of ouselves and our surroundings, and then it is our >responsibility to improve ourselves and our surroundings. All it takes is >the desire! > It doesn't matter what we look like. It matters what we feel. To >paraphrase Laing yet again, we see so much less of what there is to see, and >we love so much less than what we see. To that extent we are so much less >than what we are. I have this feeling that we are much more than what we think we are. You see, I think lots of people see themselves as just their physical bodies, and they think the universe as they observe it, described by current physical theories, is all that exists. I'd rather like to see my time on this planet as a temporary visit to a particular reality, very much like a dream. I hope to wake up from this dream when I die. :) > The point is, as the physical universe is crumbling, the spiritual >universe is increasing. We really ARE all going somewhere! So be proud of >yourselves that you are here, accept yourselves. "We are but a moment's >sunlight fading on the grass..." "So you see that you are really very small >and life flows on within you and without you..." > All that is wrong with the world can be traced to low self esteem, >ultimately. A simplistic statement, but if you think about it, it makes >sense. Most bullies are quite insecure. I've thought about it (a lot, actually), and it makes sense. A lot of what is wrong in the world can be traced back to a lack of trust, in yourself and in others. I think trust might be even more important than love. What I mean by trusting someone is to have faith in that person's good intentions, and knowing that he/she knows what is good for him/her, better that you can know that yourself. Without this kind of trust, you can easily end up abusing someone when you think you're just trying to help that person, by putting your own value system above that person's value system, even if you love him/her. > Good lord, sorry to ramble on so! I'm sorry too! :) >I know that this has gone on a bit, so >let me finish by saying that all of you, each and every one of you, is a >miracle. You are the torch of Life passing on generation to generation. If >in your life you have been wronged by someone who did not realize your >worth, it is not your fault and you are not to blame for their failure to >act in a spirtual manner. You came into this life with a clean slate, like >the rest of us. It is not anyone's place to judge you, you must judge >yourself. Thanks for writing that, Bob! Albert ======================================================================== Subject: Thoughts on moving... From: gaffa@mind.org (Valerie) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 14:37:43 -0500 Here I am, surrounded by everything I've ever owned, trying to avoid lugging 500 million boxes to Chicago...I figured this would be a good time to post my 10 best albums releaswed this year (well, boutght this year) that are good to pack to. Just6 in case this is someday handy to someone out there. (BTW, I hate top 10 lists, so this gives you an idea of how nuts I'm b ecoming) in no particular order: ==> Happy Rhodes, Rhodesongs Nothing needs to be said. A gr4eat collection, and always soothes the nervous soul. ==> Crash Test Dummies, God Shufrfled His Feet I got lucky enough to see them do an acoustic set for our ocal radio station last week, and I still r4efuse to believe that that's his real singing voice. Best lyrics I've heard this year. ==> Belly, Star Gepetto is a great throw-it-in-any-box-just-get-it-done-so-you-can-dance-a round song! ==> Various, Living in Oblivion, Vol 1 & 2 great for packing books, especially all those old 80s ones. ==> Kate Bush, The Red Shoes Only half of the albums worksw for packing. I keep stopping during Constellation of the Heart to sing the dialogue. And Eat the Music makews me jump up and run to the CD player at 3:00, so I can skip to the n et song. ==> Bloodbroth3ers, Orig. LONDON cast Because you have to have at least one musical to play diva on while packing the collection of plays. Not quite 10, but who really cares? I still have hours of packing to do, and there is sure to be another top 10 discovered during that time. I still haven't found a good album for packing the computer stuff to, though. I havgen't been around ecto much lately (been too busy), but congrats seem to be in orde3r for Kiri and Court. This is wond3erful news, and I know2 that you two are happy together. Someone mentioned Aimee Mann's concert tour...she4 was here in Atlanta last weekend, but unfortunat4ely I missed her. (had company in from ou6t of town, and for some people, I'll even compromise on a great concert.) Does anyon3e know if she'll bhe coming to Chicago in '94? I'll be moving to Chicago in less than 2 weeks, and hope to finally meet some of you. (and see you again, Vickie, Chris & Mike). One final note...the WORST album to pack to, 10,000 Maniacs Unplugged. They just don 't have enough rhythm w/o electricity. ==> Valerie -- mind.org 404/659-5720 Public Access Usenet in Atlanta ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 13:02:40 -0800 Subject: New Sarah and Peter RDT-ers: warning, non-Tori content ahead! Ectophiles, what did you expect? :) Well, I just got a few happy new things! The first is the new Peter Gabriel video compilation, _All About US_; the second is Sarah McLachlan's new album _Fumbling Towards Ecstasy_ (thanks Christian!). I know _FTE_ isn't being released worldwide until early February (the 1st, is it?), but you could always contact Nettwerk at nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca and mail-order it. Or you could wait a while and pick up the new Tori and Sarah releases in the same week, and what a wonderful week that would be! So, let's see. While Peter is undeniably a master of the music video form, I'm going to have to give _All About US_ a thumbs sideways. Here's my chief gripe: these videos just don't seem to capture the moods of the songs (especially the most emotionally compelling songs) as well as their predecessors on Peter's last collection _CV_. That compilation was a masterpiece. Both videos for "Don't Give Up" were wonderful. The more "traditional" video is filled with haunting slow-motion imagery; the second video shows us nothing but a slow pan around Peter and Kate hugging as the sun is eclipsed behind them, but we don't get bored. The videos for "Red Rain" and "Mercy Street" accompany those songs perfectly, "Shock the Monkey" is still powerful after all these years, and "Sledgehammer" always grabs and holds me despite the fact that the song itself gets old fast. Now on to the new compilation. I feel like Peter may be getting so into the flashy visuals, animation, time-lapse slow motion, compositing, etc. that he's forgetting what a video should be: a visual reinforcement of musical themes. The video for "Blood of Eden" should NOT have Peter pretending to fall speeding to earth in front of a brightly-colored animated building. The video for "Come Talk To Me" should capture the amazing sense of catharsis as that song goes from verse to chorus, not spend half its time lingering on Peter's face in various weird lighting. Am I disappointed? Not really, because there are still some great moments. The video for "Zaar" is excellent: it's a series of oil paintings projected rapidly to create a unique type of animation. "Kiss That Frog" (re-recorded for the video) succeeds because it's precisely the kind of silly, throwaway song that is well-served by visual gimmickry. And there's no denying that "Digging in the Dirt" and "Steam" are lots of fun to watch. Also, the compilation is 55 minutes long and features interviews, clips from live performances and studio sessions, and behind-the-scenes features on the making of the videos. Peter is in fine form in some of the interviews. (From the credit sequence: "A lot of ideas have been put forward as to why a record may or may not be successful: groove, melody, musical content, performance...but many years ago I realized, the key factor in determining the success of a record is the haircut.") So this isn't a BAD use for seventeen of your dollars; it's just not the masterpiece of which I think Peter is capable. On to Sarah's new album, which is (no surprise here, considering how she keeps evolving as an artist) wonderful. It falls off a bit in the middle, but there's none of the filler that was so painfully evident on the second half of _Solace_. I'd go so far as to say that this feels like her first truly complete, unified work. So, after a lot of listens, here are my favorite songs: "Possession" -- a great way to lead off the album, upbeat and beautiful. Be sure not to miss the "hidden" acoustic reprise at the end of the album. "Plenty" -- this would be my pick for a first single. Nice backing vocals on the chorus, and just a bit of guitar crunch that reminds me of Sarah's Nettwerk colleagues Moev. (Whatever happened to Moev, anyway?) "Good Enough" -- a very pretty ballad with a touch of gender ambiguity to keep things interesting. "Hold On" -- a moving tribute to a dying friend or lover, although I'm partial to the remixed version on the _No Alternative_ compilation. "Fear" -- WOW! Never has Sarah used studio tricks so effectively and beautifully. Really neat stuff, and an amazing vocal performance. "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy" -- an optimistic personal anthem, the perfect album closer in the tradition of "Wear Your Love Like Heaven" from _Solace_ (or "I Say" from _Equipoise_, for that matter). Finally, I wouldn't exactly call it a highlight, but "Circle" gives us Sarah as top-40 dance diva. Okay, so only a kinda twisted top-40 station would play it, but still... Well, it's been a pretty quite day here at work (or couldn't you tell?), but I DO have a meeting now. Hope this was useful info! Ethan "comfort all the way to comfort peace in the struggle to find peace" -- sarah mclachlan, "fumbling towards ecstasy" ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)