Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #909 ecto, Number 909 Monday, 13 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Cloak Re: Isolated ectophile! (and Jeopardy!) Re: Jeopardy! Re: mythology Hi everybody! ahhhhh Monday the 13th, part 1 Monday the 13th, part 2: real gusto redux Monday the 13thfest 2.5! Sarah McLachlan west coast USA in Feb Re: Apple's phone-fax-mail attack Open House to keep the suspense from building... pick me up, put me down A Wuppertal joke Welcome, somatypes, et al. 2 1/2th European Ectoparty, aka The Ectoparty Strikes Back, aka Return Of The Ecto Re: love?!? Re: to keep the suspense from building... an ectophile meets her goddess ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 13:53:02 EST From: ken@zeus.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Cloak I just received a catalog from a company (I think its the J Peterman Company?) that has an Irish Cloak for $895. There might possibly be another item in the catalog that's similar for less money. Its got lots of pricey, but interesting, items in the catalog. -Ken ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 10:47:15 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Isolated ectophile! (and Jeopardy!) Vickie, I think this Saturday the 18th is okay; I don't think I have anything planned. Give me a call. OH, and my Jeopardy appearance is December 22, next Wednesday. At least that's what they told me, and they should know. It'll be on the 23rd in LA, though, since for some reason the station there broadcasts Jeop Tues-Saturday. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 10:50:42 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Jeopardy! > Vickie (who would freeze up on "Wheel of Fortune" and so *really* admires > anyone who can get on Jeopardy, the most intelligent game show in the > *history* of game shows) Actually, the old College Bowl show was apparently quite a bit harder than the current Jeopardy show. Also, the short-lived "The Challengers" (hosted by Dick Clark) was pretty tough; I don't think I ever got a Final Challenge question completely right (eg: name the two original correspondents of "60 Minutes" AND the creator/producer) D62 ^ - lowercase carat > ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 19:47:14 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: mythology At 8:19 am 11/12/93 -0500, WretchAwry wrote: >I'm not qualified to do much more than lurk during this thread, but it >is all fascinating to me. I know one thing. IMHO, I wish Freud had >never *heard* the myth of Oedipus. He used it to twist genuine human >suffering into a fairy story. Bastard. :-( Amen to that! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 12:26:59 -0800 Subject: Hi everybody! Well, if my friend Lisa can delurk, then so can one of those INFP's she was talking about. :-) I've been hanging around here for a few months, posting now and again, even having some nice conversations with a few of you, but I've never formally introduced myself to the list. Probably because I tend to want to throw myself into things, and when most of your email access comes through a job where you're being paid by the hour, that's not something you can afford to do easily with such a high-volume list (unless you want to run the risk of missing key messages and accidentally blowing people off). But what the hell. I've been interviewing for a permanent position here, and either they'll hire me and put me on salary (in which case I can email all I want as long as I get my work done), or they won't (in which case I'll have nothing better to do than read email all day anyway)! But I ramble. Ah, the basic facts: I'm 22, just graduated from Stanford, working (for now) at NeXT Computer, and living in a two-bedroom apartment with no roommate at the moment ($$$). As for Happy, I'm another one of those who heard about her on the Tori Amos list. I bought _Warpaint_ (then her latest release), loved it, worked my way back to _Rhodes I_, then snapped up _Equipoise_ when it came out. Other musicians to whom I devote ridiculous amounts of my money and time include Tori, Tribe, Sugar, Lloyd Cole, Sarah McLachlan, Peter Gabriel, Connells, Judybats, Billy Bragg, Cranberries. After reading Ecto for a few months, all I can say is this: It's SO nice to be in a place where everyone isn't ready to jump down everyone else's throat for posting something "off-topic," non-musical in nature, or in conflict with someone's personal moral code. From what I've seen, Ecto is absolutely unique in that regard on the net. I think it has something to do with the fact that its volume is so ridiculously high that the kind of people who are worried about their mailboxes overflowing unsubscribe immediately, as do those who are worried about hearing something that might upset them. Which leaves the rest of us to contemplate life and wonderful music and everything in between. So, more to come when I have the time. For now, a **HUG** to Vickie, a **MEOW** to Lisa, and a belated **HI** to everyone! Ethan ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 16:11:37 -0500 From: Mike Matthews Subject: ahhhhh It sure is good to be back at the TIC where I can play my CDs. Loud. Heck, Ralph did say he needed to expand his musical horizons..... Sorry. Just rambling. Mike ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 16:07:09 CST From: "If not real genius, at least real gusto" Subject: Monday the 13th, part 1 [This post apparently bounced in some of the Rutgers machine the first time.] Aaron writes: >And I never have any problem understanding you or Mitch. Which makes me >wonder if *I* make any sense to anyone. Always made perfect sense to me. >Speaking of whom: Mitch, did you see the Stuart Rosenberg farewell piece >in the Reader a few weeks back? It included some truly horrifying >quotes from the new Station Mangler that make me worry about my former >employer. I'm behind in my Reader reading, so I didn't see the one a few weeks back, but I did see the one a few days back. I too am concerned that management is getting too concerned with ratings, and format in the service thereof; but I can see a pragmatic need for _some_ concern therewith on their part. For all that, I have no intention of following the lead of at least one other speaker at the WBEZ annual meeting, and withholding my membership renewal; IMHO WIVH, I can do more from inside the tent. The other night, Chris Heim (who's now been named acting music coordinator) played an Al DiMeola side on her world music show. It seems to me that if he can be rationalized as world music, maybe so can Happy, so that BEZ still has potential as a Happy outlet, Stuart or no Stuart. Plus, CH still writes for the Tribune on the side. Plus, they still have the arts magazines, which have live music and interviews sometimes. Plus, the new policy will include a Saturday afternoon magazine show with Aaron Freeman, which presents additional possibilities for exposing Happy, especially if she tours Chicago. BTW: the folk_music list recently had a thread about Kat Eggleston, who sings with Stuart's band at Schuba's. Stuart's supporters will be holding a benefit concert in Chicago sometime early in the new year. Continuing to hold a good thought for Mrs. Lovejoy. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 16:15:06 CST From: We will post no post before its time--NOT Subject: Monday the 13th, part 2: real gusto redux Clearly, it's my attempts at a little fun with the handle functions whose lucidity I should be worrying about; my verbiage below the header seems to come through fine :-). Having once again hit the send key prematurely, my series of titles for today's essays is proving utilitarian beyond my wildest dreams. The mailer didn't mangle the body on my copy, so let me know if it did on yours and I can resend part 1. Ain't high technology grand? 'Course not :-). Doug says: >PS: How did we coordinate family Christmas shopping lists without e-mail? Should you need the Ecto Product File to help coordinate your family Christmas shopping list before it's (the EPF) formally ensconced in the archives, let me know and I can send one out to you (sort of an email order catalog? :-) ). Doug punched his posts on 80-column cards? I used to have teachers who could rewire circuit boards for the same purpose :-) (though I doubt Holly would have gotten quite as euphoric over that approach :-) ). Will Zhirinovsky (sp?) become Letterman's next Buttafuoco? :-) WRT our somatype thread: There's a play closing in one of Chicago's off-loop theatres this coming weekend, about the whole business of women, weight and body image. I forget its exact title. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 16:54:00 CST From: Walking toast of the town Subject: Monday the 13thfest 2.5! One of these fine days, I must learn to hit the function key I really want to hit, instead of the one that sends the my posts out unfinished :-). Kim plows right in: >Im doing a zoology degree... but its dreadful so Im changing to fine art Not necessarily so dreadful. At least one of the rest of us has a zoology degree, through whom we've since learned most of what we know about endan- gered seal species in Canada. Part of ecto's continuing contribution to the cause of liberal education :-). She plows ahead further: >"PHWOOAARGH! Gor, if you ever 'ave a woman round tell me wont you? eh? eh?" >Does anyone know a good response to this one? For some unknown reason (the same reason as most other things come to my mind), this reminds me of the old Monty Python sketch in which Eric Idle is doing the wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more shtick, WRT sex, and his very last comment is "what's it like?" But WRT Kim's specific quandary, the best put off line I can think of is the great words of Bart Simpson: "Don't have a cow, man." How effective it will be will depend on whether this man is as attuned to my deep symbolism as most readers of this list are, which means it may be a lost cause :-). Then again, he may not be as heavily as I think into traditional pulchritude as a yardstick of desirability, in which case the whole thing could backfire. On second thought, all this reminds me of the time I read an account of life in the White House in the 60s, during Lyndon Johnson's presidency. It is written that one of his favorite comeback lines to those whom he could not persuade of his inerrancy (in his mind) was "Are you trying to fuck me?" It immediately dawned on me that this might be the ideal reply to unwanted come-ons, until one of my female friends of the period pointed out to me that many come-on artists might be inclined to respond that that was exactly the idea. Back to the drawing board :-). Off to see if UPS has left the package it refused to part with last week, and whether my kitten's diarrhea has skrude up my abode any more. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 18:29:43 EST From: justin@campion.crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: Sarah McLachlan west coast USA in Feb hello again. *Someone*'s going to post this soon, so it might as well be me this time. Freshly received from the Nettwerk mailing list! > more sarah u.s. dates > > yes, i know, this is what some of you are living for, well, i can only > announce the first week, but hopefully early next week i'll have a whole slew > for you: > > Dec. 15 philadelphia WDRE benefit concert > Feb. 18 seattle moore theatre > Feb. 19 portland melody ballroom > Feb. 21 sacramento crest theatre > Feb. 22 san francisco warfield > Feb. 24 los angeles wadsworth > Feb. 25 san diego la paloma > > there you go. and just think, only those of you on this mailing list know > this. cool. Well, now it's those on nettwerk *and* ecto. If you want to subscribe to the nettwerk list (it's not a discussion, just a more-or-less weekly newsletter), send a note to Lane at nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca. justin ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 15:39:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Apple's phone-fax-mail attack Alan forwards... >Apple Computer is under a well organized phone-fax-mail attack by the >Religious Right, demanding that Apple Computer drop its pro-human rights >policy of non-discrimination against lesbian and gay employees. >Basically,far right groups including religous fundamentalists are >pressuring the company to "see the light" and discrimate. Right now there >are about 500 callers in opposition to every 1 in support of current >policies. This is chilling. Does anyone know more about how this started? A colleague tells me that a conservative Texas politician has used this issue to drum up support for his campaign, and that a Baptist church is leading the attack. Apparently the connection is that Apple is considering opening an office in Texas. Please DO forward Rebecca's post as you see fit. Apple has long been a model company when it comes to promoting equal opportunity and keeping its nose out of the private affairs of its employees. It would be terrible to see that change. Ethan ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 00:12:00 BST Subject: Open House Hello ecto, Just a quick update on the Open House - any and all are welcome here New Year's Day afternoon. My address is 108 Barlow Ave. in Cherry Hill, NJ., also known as the house across the street from where Happy's manager grew up. For those with detailed maps, Barlow avenue is off Church Road not far from the world famous Cherry Hill Mall. We are towards Merchantville a little. Specific directions from any point available upon request! Hope to see some of you then. Especially NewBob from Cherry Hill!!! Tomorrow is bypass day, I'll be keeping my fingers crossed. Once more I ask each of you to please focus a little Positive Energy towards San Francisco... and thanks! Talk to you all later! +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co + Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) Subject: to keep the suspense from building... Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) ...within two months, I should have a new stereo on which to listen to Happy, Kate, Sarah, and all the others. It was one of the best games I've seen in a long while -- we were pretty much neck and neck all the way to the finish, but two questions and the final jeopardy: "at 122 sq. miles, it's europes' samllest island nation" : kept me from coming back for day two. But you know, I had fun, and that's what counts. Look for me on 21 March on whatever channel Jeopardy is on. Ron ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 18:55:39 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: pick me up, put me down Kim the taurus (maybe, I just learned that most of the astrology signs are wrong, based on the location of the sun as it relates to earth 1000 years ago, and I didn't notice a blib on the birth year histogram for 883. I had the rude awakening to discover that I am a Taurus, and all these years I'd been so happy being a Gemini.) >>thing that annoys me even more than hompho. is many men's reaction when >>you tell them. It goes something like: >>"PHWOOAARGH! Gor, if you ever 'ave a woman round tell me wont you? eh? eh?" >>Does anyone know a good response to this one? I thought the thing men were supposed to say to women when they found out they were gay was something like, "You obviously haven't slept with a real man like me" or something equally ridiculous. You could try something like "And you let me know when the sheep finally says yes" Neal ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 18:59:31 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: A Wuppertal joke A friend of mine sent me this in return for Holly's soap story. You Wuppertalians out there should get a real kick out of it (hi Klaus). Neal > From "Europa Times", October 1993. Reprinted in "Private Eye". > > "We will not have him put down. Lucky is basically a damn good guide > dog," Ernst Gerber, a dog trainer from Wuppertal told reporters. "He > just needs a little brush-up on some elementary skills, that's all." > > Gerber admitted to the press conference that Lucky, a German shepherd > guide-dog for the blind, had so far been responsible for the deaths of > all four of his previous owners. "I admit it's not an impressive record > on paper. He led his first owner in front of a bus, and the second off > the end of a pier. He actually pushed his third owner off a railway > platform just as the Cologne to Frankfurt express was approaching and > he walked his fourth owner into heave traffic, before abandoning him > and running away to safety. But, apart from epileptic fits, he has a > lovely temperament. And guide dogs are difficult to train these days." > > Asked if Lucky's fifth owner would be told about his previous record, > Gerber replied: "No. It would make them nervous, and would make Lucky > nervous. And when Lucky gets nervous he's liable to do something silly." ----- End Included Message ----- ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 02:05:00 BST Subject: Welcome, somatypes, et al. Hi again - WELCOME Kim and Ethan! Nice to read your posts. Ecto seems to be growing by leaps and bounds, or at least unlurking thusly! A word about somatypes (again). Last time I posted on this thread I omitted one important point. Variety is this spice of life. I'm glad people don't all look the same, and kudos to those who realize they don't have to look like societal norms. Ice cream comes in many flavors, and people come in many shapes and sizes. Hooray for variety! We have so many interesting people on ecto these days. Seanymph, the "love" post sounds encouraging; don't be afraid to be who you are! Kim, I agree with Mitch that when people retort in an ugly matter, Bart's Bovine Beatitudes can be effective. People who are like that are not worthy of your friendship, to be sure. Vickie, I hadn't read of your history until your recent post. *HUGS* to you and to everyone whose life was distorted by cruelty. At this point I again bring up the title "The Politics of Experience" by R.D. Laing as a good tome on "normality". Though Laing has been discredited by some, he does make an interesting point. But I digress. Every human being is a miracle. Each of us contains a universe within, teeming with life. Our time on this planet is short. While we are here we must become aware of ouselves and our surroundings, and then it is our responsibility to improve ourselves and our surroundings. All it takes is the desire! It doesn't matter what we look like. It matters what we feel. To paraphrase Laing yet again, we see so much less of what there is to see, and we love so much less than what we see. To that extent we are so much less than what we are. On Yes's first album is a song called "Survival". It is a poignant lyric, quite wonderful actually. The end of the song talks about all of life's energy: "And we're all going somewhere..." Now when I think of the Universe, I think of Entropy (well, not always...). The physical universe has, over centuries, been crumbling. (This explains why there are dustball under one's beds!) Meanwhile, over Centuries, living organisms have appeared and have become self-aware. Intelligence is growing. It would be presumptuous to think that human beings are the ultimate goal of life; we are but the first. What comes after us will be beyond our understanding, as are we to the ants. The point is, as the physical universe is crumbling, the spiritual universe is increasing. We really ARE all going somewhere! So be proud of yourselves that you are here, accept yourselves. "We are but a moment's sunlight fading on the grass..." "So you see that you are really very small and life flows on within you and without you..." All that is wrong with the world can be traced to low self esteem, ultimately. A simplistic statement, but if you think about it, it makes sense. Most bullies are quite insecure. Good lord, sorry to ramble on so! I know that this has gone on a bit, so let me finish by saying that all of you, each and every one of you, is a miracle. You are the torch of Life passing on generation to generation. If in your life you have been wronged by someone who did not realize your worth, it is not your fault and you are not to blame for their failure to act in a spirtual manner. You came into this life with a clean slate, like the rest of us. It is not anyone's place to judge you, you must judge yourself. Thanks for your time, and thanks again everybody for all your support! Bob the preacher! +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co + Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 23:23:00 +0100 From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: 2 1/2th European Ectoparty, aka The Ectoparty Strikes Back, aka Return Of The Ecto Hiya, phew! Just had to read about 220 mails, so this might be a bit late. But better late than never! This weekend we had our second European Ectoparty in one month, this time at Ilka's home. Guest of honory was Chip Lueck who is visiting Germany this week. The others that were around were Tim Cook (again flewn in directly from England to Duesseldorf - wait - Duesseldorf? Why Duesseldorf? Frankfurt is about 200 km nearer to Darmstadt than Duesseldorf!), Dave (a member of the Queen mailing list, directly flewn in from Scottland to Frankfurt [:-)]), Klaus & Claudia (who gave Tim a ride at least *to* the party), Ilka, Ilka's boyfriend Pete, and finally myself. Again we had great fun, listened to great music, watched a bunch of videos, prepared a present for Happy (how do those CRAPPY Aiwa VCRs work???), actually managed to *listen* to Happy's music (ya know, there was someone around who didn't know her before ;-) ), later talked to our beloved Ectoma Vickie (HUG) and Chris (I don't want to pay Ilka's phone bill...) (well, if you want us to share it - no problem!), and had good foods and great things (of the fuzzy blue kind of course!). Saturday went away, Sunday came, and K&C (whom I had the honour to have as guests for the night) went home again, or rather not right home, since they had a family party they absolutely had (and wanted) to attend. Anyhow, Sunday was there, and we brought Tim to his train (he had to go to Duesseldorf, remember?) Afterwards we drove to Heidelberg and enjoyed the bad weather, the nice castle, and the Christmas market in Heidelberg. Again, the day went away WAY to fast! Bye! Uli -- There are many Gods, but there is only one Steven Jobs - Doug Waldron There are many Goddesses, but there is only one Kate Bush - ? - Bernd Driegert ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 21:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Scoggins Subject: unsubscribe please unsubscribe me ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 18:12:02 PST From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: love?!? Sea Nympf muses: |> is there or is there not, a thread about love? Well, there is now... :> |> I'm in 'between'... |> I'm avoiding an obsessed person (obsessed with me) and wonder |> about other ways of dealing with this kind of thing (we actually |> live in the same house). Living in the same house with the obsessed person is about as untenable a position as I can imagine. If you hadn't already mentioned you were going to move, I'd say to get out as fast as possible. I'd hope that this is a large enough house to give you room to avoid too much contact with hir. Beyond that... be very sure to be consistent in your attitude towards hir. Any momentary softening will be taken as a sign that you might be changing your mind. And good luck.... |> Also, I've recently grown/evolved enough to feel (allow it?) |> more deeply about someone, and so of course I'm all excited |> and want to find out more about this kind of love, real love. |> At this moment it is difficult to describe. But my heart |> jumps in my breast, and if you finger me, you'll see |> a poem about it. Could you possibly email me a copy? I can't finger through our corporate firewall system, but I'd like to see the poem. |> So. Input anyone? |> (queensryche songs make more sense now, in general there is deeper |> meaning) Which Queensryche? I only have Operation:Mindcrime, and it doesn't quite seem to apply. |> And Happy's relationship with Kevin (the fact that it exists and |> has for a while and seems to involve trueness) is a towering |> inspiration to me. |> |> A note: (..as if..) |> The beloved said 'you have an amazing ability to make yourself |> unhappy, without any input from me' (me worrying about getting |> hurt). 'Just live.' I said this may take a while to sink in, |> and he said that it sounded like I'd been caught in a self- |> destruction pattern for a very long time. |> This is indeed true, and it is so refreshing to actually |> go through the wall, the pattern. It really is going through the wall. To let yourself love, you have to open up your defenses - and you open yourself up to getting hurt. There's a definite freedom to being open, without the walls that hem you in the pattern. The cost is having to absorb the pain. But if you don't leave yourself open to the pain, you're also not leaving yourself open to the love. I guess the key is to be sure who you're opening up to - either that or learn to endure the pain in the short term until you find someone who can appreciate the openness and not cause the pain. |> enough |> |> -seanympf Either more than enough or not nearly enough. ;-) If this has been disjointed, I apologize; but between interruptions & minor crises here at work, it's been over 6 hours since I started writing this. Oy. Take care, all of you out there - there's not nearly enough love around, and ecto has been a big source of it. Erik ____________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe any return address KLA Instruments Corp. rumors. The one and only True San Jose, CA Address is e_johnso@kla.com. My goliard mind pauses, seized by story. Words weave stronger than rope. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 17:58:50 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: to keep the suspense from building... > ...within two months, I should have a new stereo on which to listen > to Happy, Kate, Sarah, and all the others. > > It was one of the best games I've seen in a long while -- we were pretty > much neck and neck all the way to the finish, but two questions and the > final jeopardy: "at 122 sq. miles, it's europes' samllest island nation" : What is Malta? D^2 ======================================================================== Subject: Re: to keep the suspense from building... Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 21:06:35 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >...within two months, I should have a new stereo on which to listen >to Happy, Kate, Sarah, and all the others. Hey, great! Better than fishing rods for a non-fisher, eh? ;-) >It was one of the best games I've seen in a long while -- we were pretty >much neck and neck all the way to the finish Can't wait to see it...any idea when it will air? I'm looking forward to seeing D^2 in 9 days... "at 122 sq. miles, it's europes' samllest island nation" "Alex, what is Malta?" Any KaTefan should know *that* one! In any event, it sounds like you had a great time. Way to go for making it on! Jeff "I knew that BA in Geography would be good for *something*" Burka (who will admit that he *did* verify Malta in his dictionary before posting that, but will note that he immediately thought "Must be Malta" and that was the first thing he looked up in his dictionary. He also notes that he hopes he would have wagered a lot of money on the category, but wonders just what the category was...) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 22:25:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: an ectophile meets her goddess Hi! I think I'm the only ectophile to get to meet Kate last Thursday. I'm really really sorry that Greg and Jess and Dave got there too late... I feel really bad about that, but I'm sure not as bad as they do. :( Man, but that line was HUGE! My adventure really started on Wednesday, as i slunk about at work complain- ing of a stomachache. By the end of the day no one was expecting to see me the next morning, so I was all set. Mike Knight, a Love-Hounds from Maine (there was only one of him really- no delete key again!) had driven as far as West Haven, and called to arrange a meeting time the next morning- since he hadn't been to New York City before, I agreed to be his tour guide for the day, and he parked his car on my street so it would be safe, and we took the train into the city. But first I had to call in sick to work (didn't have to worry about sounding convncing- I did it right after I woke up :), and meet Mike and get some breakfast. We *just* made it to the train, and I mean *just8*- the door closed right behind us! It would have been another hour before we left if we'd missed it, and then we probably wouldn't have ended up getting in. We arrived at Tower at 12:10 PM, after an amusing incident in Grand Central. Mike was wearing a Sensual World T-Shift, and when we stopped by the info kiosk to get a subway map the attendant squealed at the sight of Mike's shirt, "Kate Bush! I *love* her!" We explained what we ewere going to be doing that afternoon, and he was immediately quite bummed that he had to work until 6, but said something about sending a friend over with one of his CDs. :) [T-SHIRT. He was wearing a Sensual World T_SHIRT> God.] Anyway, we were about halfway down the block from the entrance, and settled in for a long, cold wait. The people around us in line were really cool- there was a 15-year old girl from Worcester, Mass. there with her mom, who had given her the trip as an early Chrstmas present. Her mom was really neat- she just sat there enjoying herself and reading a book, chatting with people and basically being glad that if her daughter had to obsess over anything at least it was Kate and not heavy drugs. :) About an hour later I regretted not having brought any reading matter with me, so I o popped over to Tower Books and found a book I've been looking for ofor ages, which I never did get to start reading. It was cold, I was hungry, I had to pee, but it was 3:50 PM, so I just didn't care. About 3:45 cops showed up, none of whom had any clue who it was they were there to protect, but they seemed pretty amazed at how calm we all were. I mean, when Kate showed up there wasn't a riot! No one stormed the doors of Tower, the people who knew they were doomed at the end of the line stuck around quietly anyway and hung out with fellow Katefans, and the cops were quite unsure s as to what to do. So they watched us and were amused. :) {Katefans are a generally calm and demuere lot- not all of them are .gaffans! :} One woman in line had a tape recordedr, and went up and down the line interviewing people- it was pretty neat. At one point she called out down the line, "So- what's your favorite Kate album?" and about thirty people yelled out, "THE DREAMING!" :> Hah. Film crews showed up, and interviewed the people immediately behind and in front of me. Oh, well. We could tell when Kate arrived, because there was a cheer from the end of the block, and people immediately started climbing the building to get a glimpse of her through the windows. I hope my pictures came out, but since I didn't have a flash I doubt it. :( Finally at about 5:30 my group of 10 were let into the store, our wrist bands identifying us as standers in line (I was #76) weere cut off, and I was left to finally decide what the hell I was going to say, since it was already quite clear that I would have about 5 seconds in which to do it. Jessica had already met me in line so I could get woj's jacket signed for him (the famous one with Tori and Neil Gaiman's signatures on it already :), since he was still in Spain, and I had the pen all set inone hand and my CD booklet for The Dreaming in the other. Then it was my turn. I entered into the Twilight Zone. I'm amazed I remember even this much. ME: Hi Kate. Having fun? KT: [pauses while those last four words percolate through her signing- glazed psyche] Wot? ME: Are you having fun? KT: Fun. Oh yeah. Well, yeah, I guess I am having fun. ME: {hands booklet across table to her] Um, it's to Meredith- that's me. [Kate starts signing, and actually spells my name right! "To Meredith, With Love, Kate Bush" - except she was beginning to lost it so the K came out looking more like a W, but hey] ME: Um, I just wanted to say thanks, you know, for your music, since that's what brought me and my boyfriend together- we never would have met otherwise of it hadn't been for your music. KT: Oh really? That's nice. [Hands booklet back to me] ME: Yeah. We met on Love-Hounds, actually. KT: [Gets this little half-smirk on her face] Oh, that's sweet. ME: Yeah. [Just as I am about ot offer the sleeve of the jacket for her to sign, the security dude next to me gives me a shove off to the side.] Um, well, thanks again. Merry Christmas! KT: [SHAKES MY HAND :>] Merry Christmas to you, too. Bye! I stodd off to the side, and immediatley in one rush my knees tourned to water, I got a massive pain in my gut, and I *reallyZ* had to pee. I had just spoken and shaken hands with Kate Bush. And I had a signed CD booklet to show for it. Unbefuckinglieveable. Then I realized I hadn't gotten anything signed for woj, and if I'd been thinking I wouldn've just had her sign the picture in the PULSE interview to both of us, but I never think in these situations, and there we were. :P woj insists he doesn't care, but I still do... One thing I noticed was that Kate really didn't seem to be enjoying herself- she seemed to be just going through the motions, being really vague and distant, but I'm sure that's just how she protected herself in that bare and public situation. I felt kind of bad for abetting this trauma, but I guess she wouldn't have done it if she hadn't wanted to. Another thing I noticed, though, was that she was really beautiful, even if she did look tired. She was wearing the leather jacket she has on in the US RBG video (whats a veggie doing wearing leather, anyway ;), and looked great. I didn't recognize Del, which really pisses me off, because I would've loved to say hello to thim! Oh well. Next time. So there I was. I met my best friend for dinner afterwards, after hanging out with Greg and Jess and Dave on line until Tower security disbanded the lot, took the train back,m po put Mike up for the night since it was too late for him to start back to Maine, and went in to an intact job Friday morning. Until Kate appears in my time zone again, I am *never* calling in sick when I'm not again. It's too traumatic. I was freaking out about it all day. And I still feel bad since my co-workers are concerned that I came back too soon and I might get sick again, and am I really feeling better? I hate lying to people, I really do, but hey. Anything for Kate. :) Off to see if I can pick up WDRE on my stereo... I was picking up WESU in New Haven earlier, so who knows? Meredith meth@delphi.com She really isn't- but we'd sure as hell like her to be! ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)