Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #907 ecto, Number 907 Monday, 13 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Mail lost - someone have the latest nettwerk mailing list letter? "Dark End of the Street..." RE: ddoouubbllee blah blah blah Re: cloaks fwiw Re: ...And other Ecto-notes... Top 10 Isolated ectophile! Eurofest 2.5! Re: introduction ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1993 15:05:00 +0100 From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Mail lost - someone have the latest nettwerk mailing list letter? Hi, this time I know which mail was lost. The latest letter from Nettwerk was in there. Anyone also on their mailing list who is willing to forward it to me? Thanks, Uli -- There are many Gods, but there is only one Steven Jobs - Doug Waldron There are many Goddesses, but there is only one Kate Bush - ? - Bernd Driegert ======================================================================== From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) Subject: "Dark End of the Street..." Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 17:04:03 -0600 (CST) > . She even sang > a Diana Ross cover (something about my world is empty without you) and > a song which I swear I have heard before, which she said was about > 60 years old and mentioned 'meet me at the dark end of the street' and > I call any ectophile who knows it to please tell me what it's called > and who performs it so I can rush out and get it because it was *really* > great. I don't know who originally performed it, but the song was written by Dan Penn and Chips Moman - perhaps if someone knows who those people were affiliated with/members of, etc, could figure out who performed it. This song, and a bunch of other songs in a similar vein are on the soundtrack for the movie "The Commitments." The cast members perform the music, but they were auditioned in Ireland as singers mainly, I believe - it's a good movie, about a group of working-class Irish young people trying to recapture the sound of Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, etc... Not ecto-esque, to be sure, but enjoyable :) This song's on the Vol. I of the Soundtrack. *wave* Kath ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 12:48:58 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: RE: ddoouubbllee I'm glad it's not just me :) I was starting to get worried there (serious case of deja vu :) I have a few notes about things I ought to say on ecto that I haven't gotten around to yet... 1) Welcome back Albert! :) 2) Meth: You're meeting Kate???! (Philip suddenly has an idea of what it was like for those Beatles fans :) I'm green with envy! 3) I have Jane's "Walking" (CD) and "No Borders Here" (LP) with me (fresh from the library) and am almost eager enough to get home and listen to them that I'd leave ecto unread :) (almost) 4) Welcome to all new 'philes!!! 5) Happy birthday to all those I've missed recently!!! (Too many - I've gotten lazy :) - although I don' t get to check ecto daily any more... (not the greatest of excuses I know... *HUGS* in advance to those I've missed and will miss!) 6) Sorry about the typos - I have no editor currently :\ 7) 42 8) Oooh! Could somebody suggest a good first Tribe album? (Philip is gathering a ridiculously large CD-want list as Christmas approaches :):):) 9) (better make it the last one) Anyone for IRC? (I'll be popping on and off every now and then for the next several hours to see if anyone's there... (This account won't let me log on twice at once so I can't have IRC and mail simultaneously :( Philip (ping) ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 20:25:16 -0400 (EDT) From: MIKEDEPUMPO@delphi.com Subject: blah blah blah to no one in particular: Forgive me if this is old news, but I saw Jan. 24 listed as the release date for Tori's new album (Under The Pink) for the U.S and the U.K. to Jessica or anyone who can help: I've tried downloading Happy GIFs from the archives, but to no avail. I get the message "not a plain file". I've only recently broken out of the PC/DOS world (and have the 8-bit posts to prove it!) :) so I'm a little shaky with Unix. At least, I think it's Unix. Anyway, I kind of have the hang of getting files, but not the Happy pics. I did successfully down- load a GIF that turned out to be Jessica and Joe's wedding picture, which was nice. So the question is, how do I properly get the files? to Meredith: Thank you very much for digging up the Cocteau's version of "Frosty". I wasn't sure what it would sound like, but was pleasantly surprised. to Woj: I caught you playing Siddal's "Ghost" which is quite a coincidence. I just submitted the flip side of that single to the Happy Gift Project. Did you happen to see them live recently with Stange Boutique? (or "strange blue cheese" as they referred to themselves) I caught them at a local record shop, and Trinity College in Hartford, CT. to everyone: H A P P Y H O L I D A Y S ! ! ! Mike _______________________________________________________________________ mikedepumpo@delphi.com "I'm not a lurker, I'm just quiet" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: anthony baxter Subject: Re: cloaks Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 14:32:36 +1100 (I've still got about 6 digests to wade through, but this caught my eye, so I thought I'd reply, for anyone thats interested.) Michael: > Lisa: > > Stanford. I wear a size 6 1/2 shoe and am in a desperate search for a > > nice black cloak (anyone have any ideas where to find such a > > treasure??). > What do you mean by cloak? I am seacrhing for a _real_ cloak (not the modern > one, but the kind members of The Fellowship of The Ring used to wear, with > hood and everything :) ) for quite a time now, so if you find anything, let > me know about the place. I'd recommend you try to make your own - they aren't hard to make, and patterns can be found in a lot of places (most books of patterns in libraries will have at least one pattern for a cloak). Besides, its more fun to make your own :-) I've helped some of my friends make some, and I'll be making my own one when the weather starts getting colder (got the woollen cloth already, trying to find a good cheap source of bright red material for the lining ;-) If anyone really wants a pattern for a cloak, I could dig up the one I have at home (eek, I wonder which box its in at home?) and could make some copies for people... back to wading through my mailbox... Anthony ======================================================================== Subject: fwiw Date: Sun, 12 Dec 93 23:22:35 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu A brief mention was just made regarding the Cocteau Twins' cover of "Frosty the Snowman." A good friend of mine just returned home for xmas break from London where's he's working on his master's degree. He brought a mutual friend of ours the Cocteau Twins single "Snow" which contains two tracks: "Winter Wonderland" and "Frosty the Snowman." It should be available from your favorite import shop. (my gift was the limited edition Box version of KaTe's "Moments of Pleasure" single. It's a horrible, manipulative thing because it doesn't even contain the B-side that's included on the regular UK CD single (and neither of 'em contain the B-side that's on the 12" version). Someone at EMI or Novercia *really* fucked this one up. Grrrr) Anyway. Back to work. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Everything is still with a fear of never coming out | |Suffering Bad Grammar| Never following through / Never ever finishing | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | What we wanted to do." -- Melissa Ferrick | ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 4:09:02 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ...And other Ecto-notes... JohnS hubbles: > Well, the Hubble Space Telescope is back on it's own now, with all of the > repairs completed. The mission went extremely well, with only a few minor > glitches. Hopefully, the optics problems have been resolved and Hubble will > REALLY start to amaze. :) A 48 hour health and safty period begins tomorrow, > then the first weekly schedule gets uploaded on Monday. That's when the REAL > fun begins, calibrating, finding precise aperture locations (part of my job), > etc... John, thanks for your posts about this. It's all fascinating, and I, for one, think it's so cool that we have an "insider" on Ecto! I've been watching a lot of it on C-Span (we don't get E!) and it's exciting! > >Alex wrote: > >Laurel Krahn - lakrahn@inst.augie.edu: > >> some of you are going through, but then again.... I don't think you > >> can measure pain in any way. .. Everyone's trials and pain and anguish > >> are real* to them, no matter what it may be about... I'm facing > > > >Yes! Very much so. Something is a problem for you if it's a problem > >for you. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what others may think > >of it, they aren't the ones with your problem. (Mis?)quoting Suzanne > >Vega from memory, singing about problems with respect to doctors: > > > >"It's so small to you, but it's so big to me." > ...... > But I've realized that everyone's problems are world encompassing to > THEM. I want to remember that when Jenn and I DO have kids, so that > when my jr. high schooler has problems, I won't demean them because of > their age, or the "simplicity" of their problems. And as Alex said, > all that really matters is that it's big to you... I love this attitude! I was going to answer Laurel's post, but Alex said exactly what I was going to say, and said it so much better. Are my problems big? Compared to some, yes. Compared to others, no. I was watching an HBO special about MPD-Multiple Personality Disorder (I hate that name. "Disorder"? It's an absolute blessing and a wonderously clever solution of the mind) and I was crying so hard for what those people have been through. I can't even imagine their pain and suffering. Not the pain and suffering of *being* MP, but the pain and suffering they went through that caused the MP. I know there are MPs on Ecto and not a one has ever "rolled their eyes" at me, even though they've been through so much worse. In the same way, I wouldn't "roll my eyes" at anyone else's problems. If it's/they're important to you (whoever) then it's important. I hope I've never given out an attitude that indicates I feel otherwise. (**HUGS** to the MPs and all your alters. If you ever want to talk about being MP...it's a subject that very few people understand, so I think a discussion would be a Good Thing...but if you don't want to post non-anonymously, I'd be more than happy to forward anything sent to me, minus the identifying headers.) > Jessica wrote: >someone on the concrete blonde list wrote: > >"I hope I'm not offending anyone, but Johnette is > >too cool to be a lesbian." What a jerk-guy! > And, FWIW, who CARES if Johnette is a lesbian! The woman ROCKS and > that's all that matters... :) You betcha! (Have I said lately I *LOVE* their new album?? I DO!) > Court wrote: > > >...the loquacious librarian is going to bed...IF her four cat's > >will leave her any room in the bed!*sigh* > > This is the problem I face every night, Court. My wife Jenn always goes ... Isn't that why they invented the door? :) Our bedroom is a Kitty-free Zone. It has to be that way or else we'd never get any sleep. The Other One especially loves to pokepokepoke before he settles down. They shed so much that it's also nice to have *one* room that's not full of kitty hair. > Take care everyone and wish us luck with Hubble :), Good luck! *HUG* (pass one along to Jenn too!) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 01:00:09 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Top 10 Well, it's getting to be that time of year again; namely, the end. Time for the critics to print their Top 10 Albums of the Year, so here I go with mine, in alphabetical order (by artist): Bel Canto, _Shimmering, Warm, and Bright_ I'm actually guessing on this one; I don't know for sure that it was released this year (I think it was). Many people don't seem to like this album, at least in comparison to their others. Well, I do. I think "Summer" is a very effective track, and this album is much less mechanical-sounding than their other two IMHO. Kate Bush, _The Red Shoes_ Lots has been said about this album, so I won't say much. Some of the tracks still don't work for me (ETM, CotH, TotC), but some work extraordinarily well; Kate's emoting on "Song of Solomon" (esp. in the "I'll do it for you" section) gets me every time. Certainly not a groundbreaking album like _The Dreaming_, but generally much better than most of the pablum on the charts. Crash Test Dummies, _God Shuffled His Feet_ Not as infectiously fun as their first album, but still infectiously fun. Brad Roberts has got to have the lowest lead vocal outside of the death-metal genre, and the oddest vocals. Who *can't* love a song about "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"? One thing's for sure, they ain't no dummies. Dead Can Dance, _Into the Labyrinth_ In the right environment (like driving on a mostly deserted highway late at night , which was the situation when I first listened to it) this album is magical. Some of the tracks sound "thrown in" (like "Saldek"), but "The Carnival Is Over" more than makes up for it. To be honest, I'm not overly fond of the "hit single", "The Ubiquitous Dr. Lovegrove," (I find the percussion kind of irritating), but so what. "How Fortunate the Man with None" is also a wonderful song. Jean-Michel Jarre, _Chronologie_ Jarre's back in form with this album, his best since _Rendez-Vous_. Part of the album is unintentionally humorous -- "Chronologie Pt. 5" uses a typical techno riff, which is odd considering that Jarre's work helped inspire techno in the first place. Some bits are overly melodramatic, but all in all it's yummy synth. Negativland, _Free_ Those media-manglers are back, and they're pissed. No one can satirize with samples like these guys can. I giggle every time I listen to "Happy the Harmonica" (even though Emily hates it), just because it's so eminently quotable ("The old lady ran east, and the pain ran east! Now here's the grabber.. when the old lady ran west....... the pain ran east! And it couldn't find the old lady!") "We Are Driven" is their most effective social commentary that I've heard, excepting the single _Guns_. Happy Rhodes, _Equipoise_ Ah yes, the Hap-ster at last. Let me get the negative comments out of the way first: the production is a bit overstuffed, the songs are too long (anyone else notice that before =P, she infrequently had songs more than five minutes long? Almost every song on =P is over five minutes!) and a few songs just don't interest me very much ("Temporary and Eternal", "He Will Come", the chorus of "The Flight"). Other than that, there's many many cool things on this album. Bits of "Runners" and "Cohabitants" are really outstanding. I like the rest of the songs, too (excepting the above). I just wish Happy wouldn't feel the need to "make a statement" with every song; I hope her next album has more things like "Summer", just to balance the bombasticness of _Equipoise_ (after all, wasn't "balance" the whole point anyway?) :) Jane Siberry, _When I Was a Boy_ I don't care for much of "Sweet Incarnadine", but the rest... oh man... completely magical. Her most fully-realized album to date. If this is a sign that Jane's just getting better and better, I can't wait til her next one. U2, _Zooropa_ OK, I admit it, I'm a sucker for Brian Eno's production. True, the lyrics are cliched. True, it's gimmicky. But dammit, I think it's pretty darn cool anyway. Many of the melodies aren't too memorable, but the *sounds* are. Frank Zappa, _The Yellow Shark_ To be honest, I'm still warming up to this album, but I felt it necessary as a matter of principle to include something by Frank on this year's list, owing to his untimely passing. I've lost count of how many FZ albums I have. _Apostrophe'_ was the first album I *ever* bought (I was about 10, I think). What can I say, the man was a friggin' genius. And funny as hell. Dammit, I'm gonna miss 'im. But anyway, the album has a few bits that worked for me right away, most notably "Welcome to the United States," which made me laugh uproariously. Ya gotta hear it, especially if you're a non-US resident who's ever had to fill out that stupid card ("Were you involved in any way in persecutions associated with Nazi Germany?") OK, that's it. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 01:04:42 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Isolated ectophile! On Wednesday morning (flight leaves at 8 AM.. ick..) I'll be going back to my parents' for Xmas/New Year's. I probably won't have net access, so don't be surprised if you don't hear from me for about three weeks. If ya want, feel free to drop me a line there at: Dave Dixon 20525 Catskill Rd. Waukesha, WI 53186 (414) 782-0835 I'll probably be bored out of my skull, so I'll be glad to get your communique. I'll also probably be up for a trip down to Chicago for a mini Ecto-fete. Got that, Vickie? :) C yam, (er, ya) D^2 ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 09:36:24 GMT Subject: Eurofest 2.5! Just returned from a great party at Ilka and Peters flat in Darmstadt. It was nice to see Ilka, Klaus&Claudia and Uli again. It was nice to meet new faces - Peter from somewhere in England, Dave from somewhere in Scotland and Chip from somewhere in Chicago. Oops I almost forgot - and Jakob the mad parakeet!! We had fuzzy blue drinks and fuzzy blue rocket fuel (made with tequila) and peanut butter flavoured munchies and managed to listen to some Happy this time! We also listened to Margot Smith and watched lots of video clips. tim ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 5:08:05 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: introduction NewBob writes: > Hello all: Hi, welcome to Ecto! You gave a wonderful introduction, thanks! ... > I've gone on long enough, but I'm very excited about her music. I've bought > _Rhodes II_ and Equipoise (sp?) and I want to give them my full attention > before I go on to the rest. I still have a few listenings to get the full > meaning of all her lyrics, but I can't wait.... Yay! I always say "get them all!" but it is nice to discover them one by one. I had Ecto first, but then got the 1st4 cassettes in one fell swoop. For the longest time it was like one loooong album. I knew the Ecto songs were from Ecto, but often got very confused about which songs were on which other albums. I and II were especially hard for me to distinguish. Really, until the Lyrics Project, many songs were still vague in my mind. Learning the lyrics was what finally got me to separate the songs and individualize the albums. (Thanks Jeffy & MJM!) You see, though the lyrics are included in the CDs, when the albums were only available on cassette there were *no* lyrics available. Happy had once sent me a photocopy of the Ecto lyrics at my request, but said she didn't have the others written down. Jeffy and MJM and I decided to take care of it. Jeffy, bless his heart and fingers and ears, not to mention Walkman batteries, wrote down the lyrics to songs from Rhodes I, Rhodes II and Rearmament as he heard them. He then sent them to MJM (Mike Mendelson) who added his own interpretations of what the lyrics were. Mike then sent the lyrics to me. I went through and agreed, disagreed and added what my own ears heard. When the lyrics were as complete as possible, I sent them to Happy for her final corrections. She sent them back to me with her corrections (along with some fascinating insights into some of the songs, a few halarious comments about what our ears had heard at points, and, oh yes, original lyric sheets to I and II, which she'd just found :-)) and I typed them in, adding totally unnecessary and silly little frills and formatting (but it was *fun*!) and whala! We had lyrics! You young whippersnappers with your CD lyric sheets, I hope you're properly greatful for such pleasures :-) A funny story: Happy had print-outs of *my* final versions and when she was rehearsing the band for the Albany/Philly '92 shows, she just made photocopies of them to give out, especially to Kelly so she could learn the lyrics--this too was before the CDs were released. Kelly thought they were so funny and asked Happy why she'd written them out like that. Happy said "I didn't do that!" and explained about fans who have too much time on their hands :-). Here's examples for those who have their CDs and will never visit the lyrics archives: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Happy Rhodes Rhodes Vol II B-1) NOONE HERE I feel warm and whole But there's noone here Yes, and mine's a heavy soul But there's noone here sun my is Look rising ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And it's rising over there But there's noone here There's noone here I'm without a body To keep me warm And not even a kitty To share my storm Well I know what I need But there's noone here And I know just where I bleed But there's noone here ` ` ` sun my is Look rising ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And it's rising over there But there's noone here There's noone here And I'm without a body To keep me warm And not even a kitty To share my storm Well I want a warm brain But there's noone here 'Cause mine's under a strain And there's noone here sun my is Look rising ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And it's rising over there But there's noone here There's noone here And I'm without a body ^ ^ To keep me warm * * And not even a kitty + ^ ^ To share my storm * * + ^ ^ * * + And not even a kitty To share my storm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- happy rhodes rhodes vol ii b-tu) to the funnyfarm i'm on my way i can feel it coming on my brain's been strained of all reality i'm on my way to the funnyfarm and when i go i'll bring with me both of my bros i've lost my way through this world of profanities and i thrive on the wind and the rain and the cold i've lost my way through this world of profanities and i'll not find it before i'm very old i need reassurance that i'll always be insane i want my teddy bear to lay on and when i go i'll be efficient at making ashtrays when i go i'll do nothing but catch me moonrays For I know what you don't know And I see things you'll never see And I've a different way of living you know And I've such a different frame of mind And so... i'm on my way to the funnyfarm and when i go i'll bring with me both of my bros -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It *was* fun! Silly, but fun. (And besides, I learned all the lyrics by heart) > In addition to loving ecto-music, I also have another reason for > finding new music. I teach indoor color guard. I don't want to go into too > much detail at this time (may be in the future), but basically, we interpret > music through the visual arts incorporating dance, movement, and equipment > (usually flags, rifles, etc...) It has become very artistic and competitive, > although it is not a widely know activity. My groups are all kids between the > ages of 14 - 22. The point is that I am always looking for progressive/ > unexplored music. In the past, we have performed to: Kate Bush, Les Vois de > Music Bulgares (sp?), Trio Bulgarka, Pat Metheny, Yes. This year, we are going > to perform: Depeche Mode, Meredith Monk. Dead Can Dance and Happy are definite > possibilities for the future. If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate > hearing them. This is *great*! You sound like such a cool teacher!! > I've gone on long enough. Anyway, I just wanted to say HI!!!! HI back! I'm glad you're here! Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)