Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #903 ecto, Number 903 Friday, 10 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Festival of Lights Re: mythology Servicing mission is over! And other Ecto-notes... Re: I thought I'd make you a sweater... introduction and now for a message from our sponsors... Re: Some more un-lurking Re: Puff, Puff, Puff... Re: Servicing mission is over! And other Ecto-notes... Re: introduction High Fashion Music (Ack!) any ectophiles in Indiana? New discovery (?) Pile o' CDs from AG Meyers-Briggs Re: Pile o' CDs from AG ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 8:40:00 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Festival of Lights Yngve wrote: >V > I just can't explain it. I know that none of this means anything to > > anybody but me (except for the fact that anyone who's made it this > > far and is still reading closely probably cares about me) but it > > was just so very, very important to hear my sister say that. No one >V > else has. I doubt no one else in my family will. It amazes me. ^^ Of course, that was supposed to be "any" :-) > You know we care about you, Vickie. And you know that we have to > (at least I have to) read all your postings) Thank you! (Btw, thanks too for passing along the info that Victoria's 1st album will be re-released. I hadn't seen that, before your post.) > Three persons who have meant so much to me are dead. And I still > can't believe it. Nice to get it out though. Thank you for your post Yngve, I cried when I read it. *HUG* I do hope your cousins get the help they need. You didn't describe the illness, but it sounds genetic, something the entire family should know about and be aware of. I hope your talk with Birgit works out well. Please let us know. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 14:36:01 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: mythology At 6:10 pm 9/12/93 +0000, Diane Burke wrote: >Greetings! Hi there, Diane! >I delurk once again, most cautiously after having been reprimanded. Reprimanded? I say, *REPRIMANDED*?? Now who's been handing out *REPRIMANDS* around here? Come on chaps (and chapesses) play the game, that's just not cricket! This is the Ecto wonderland where never is heard a discouraging word and nobody ever gets flamed. :-) Actually, some of the disparaging things said on Love-Hounds about Ecto's lack of fire reminded me of a Punch review of a musical ("Snoopy"?) based on the Charles M. Schultz "Peanuts" cartoons, which read: "[attending this show is ] like being drowned in syrup by some extremely nice people." And, no, they didn't mean it as a compliment! :-) >I am writing a paper on mythology. It seems people are intersted in >mythology. Well, I certainly am. It's a fascinating subject. >I think HRs songs are mythological, part of why I like them >so much. They certainly play that role to *some* extent on this list, but less than I would have expected. They seem to be well suited. >I've never actually studied mythology. Want to conduct a >survey. After two heated discussions with friends, I see how strongly >people feel about it. One friend today (Thurs) doesn't take anything >created in this day and age seriously as mythology. Well, this is a Humpty-Dumpty thing, isn't it? If part of your definition of mythology is that it must be from the ancient world then ipso facto there can be no modern mythology. It's not necessarily an unreasonable definition but it's not one that I subscribe to because modern mythology (which can still be set in "ancient" times, e.g. Tolkien) is part of what I'm interested in. Anyway, with the provisos that what follows is all IMNSHO and that I'm an interested layman only (I'm not an expert in mythology, nor do I play one on the net :-) ), onto the survey... >Do you like mythology? *YES*!!! >Do you believe it serves a purpose? *YES*!!! >How? Mythology seems to me to do two things for us, both of which act to bind together the community in which the mythology operates and promote a common understanding and frame of reference. 1) It provides the community that subscribes to the mythology with a shared understanding of how the world (or certain aspects of it) works and what our relationship to the world is. 2) It provides a guide to how people ought to behave in certain situations, either by suggesting appropriate behaviour, or by providing cautionary tales about the dangers of certain unsuitable behaviour. Of course it does this by means of metaphor rather than by direct didactic statements. Contrary to one common (mis)use of the word, a myth is not something which isn't true, it's something that's *ALWAYS* true. For that reasonit's not set in the present day. Traditionally this has meant that myths are set in some kind of distant past, often supposedly at the point the social rules and the parts of the world being dealt with were created. Personally I find it valid to etend this to the future or some other exotic setting, the essential thing being the universality derived from setting the story outwith the quotidian world. >Do you think SNG is a kind of mythology or, >because it's created in the present, it can't be called mythology? It seems to me that it fulfils the function of a mythology for many people, but I would (from a UK perspective where SNG has had comparatively limited exposure) suggest that the original series is very much more so. As far as TOS goes, I believe it was intended to be mythological, and I would say it succeded. I say this on the basis of outside observation as I'm not a Trekkie, but if it quacks like a duck... >How do you think mythology comes into being and does it evolve? Myth making is a conscious business. Story telling is an honourable and ancient tradition, but not all stories are myths. A myth *EXPLAINS WHY* something is the way it is, it doesn't just describe how things are. It provides a mechanism for understanding, a way of looking at the world, not just data about the world. I don't accept that this is something that can be done without intention. Mythology evolves as people adapt the stories to provide different points of view, or additional insights, or use the settings as a basis for inventing new stories to say new things. A useful mythology should not remain static as human society mutates and our understanding of the world improves, it should be the vehicle for incorporating new insights into the common understanding. Again, I believe this to be a conscious process. >And anything else that comes to mind. I'd just like to add that I do feel that Gene Rodenberry (sp?) and Tolkien were two of the most successful creators of mythology for modern (western) mankind. It seems to me that myth-making is a natural human activity that arises spontaneously out of our struggle to understand the world we live in and how we should live in it. Myths get invented when there is no extant myth in the prevailing mythology that deals with a topic of concern. Nowadays multiple mythologies seem to influence communities concurrently, I think in earlier times there more often tended to be a dominant mythos at any one time in any one place. Perhaps this reflects a fragmentation and diversification of society. >I had this paper in the back of my mind and Holly's rendition of the >Persephone story sort of prompted me. I actually heard a different >Persephone story in which she chose to go to the underworld. It >portrays her as courageous instead of a victim. > >Mythology- there are usually different versions of the stories. Why are >some more widely known? I would suggest that those that are more widely known would tend to be those that people have found to be the most useful. People would tend, I suggest, to write down, relate, and re-tell those myths that have "struck a chord" with them, the ones that they find powerful in their own lives. >What is the context in which they come into >being and evolve? I'm not sure how to respond to this. It seems to overlap a lot with your earlier question. In what way do you mean "context" here? This has been a bit of an unstructured brain dump, just resoponding spontaneously to your questions, but I hope it helps somewhat! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 10:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: Servicing mission is over! And other Ecto-notes... Hello again! Well, the Hubble Space Telescope is back on it's own now, with all of the repairs completed. The mission went extremely well, with only a few minor glitches. Hopefully, the optics problems have been resolved and Hubble will REALLY start to amaze. :) A 48 hour health and safty period begins tomorrow, then the first weekly schedule gets uploaded on Monday. That's when the REAL fun begins, calibrating, finding precise aperture locations (part of my job), etc... So, since I've got some free time today, I wanted to comment on a few recent Ecto posts... >Alex wrote: >Laurel Krahn - lakrahn@inst.augie.edu: >> some of you are going through, but then again.... I don't think you >> can measure pain in any way. .. Everyone's trials and pain and anguish >> are real* to them, no matter what it may be about... I'm facing > >Yes! Very much so. Something is a problem for you if it's a problem >for you. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what others may think >of it, they aren't the ones with your problem. (Mis?)quoting Suzanne >Vega from memory, singing about problems with respect to doctors: > >"It's so small to you, but it's so big to me." This is something that I first encountered when I was in jr. high. Anyone older than me had this attitude of "You're problems can't be as bad as my problems. Just wait until you are in high school." Then when high school came it was "You think it's bad now, wait until college." In college it was "Just wait until you get in the "REAL WORLD"". And now that I'm in the "real world", kids are the next "problem". But I've realized that everyone's problems are world encompassing to THEM. I want to remember that when Jenn and I DO have kids, so that when my jr. high schooler has problems, I won't demean them because of their age, or the "simplicity" of their problems. And as Alex said, all that really matters is that it's big to you... Jessica wrote: >Oh lord that is *SO* frustrating! >Are you on the concrete-blonde list brian? >There has very recently been a discussion there >that is very similar in nature. Someone posted: >"I hope I'm not offending anyone, but Johnette is >too cool to be a lesbian." I don't mean to barge into a very important point that Jessica made, but I am curious about a concrete blonde list? Can you give me any info Jessica? And, FWIW, who CARES if Johnette is a lesbian! The woman ROCKS and that's all that matters... :) Court wrote: >thats all folks...the loquacious librarian is going to bed...IF her four cat's >will leave her any room in the bed!*sigh* This is the problem I face every night, Court. My wife Jenn always goes to bed before me, so our two cats (Tom, a 14 lb. male orange tabby; Tempest, a 12 lb. female dilute calico) like to curl up with her. Of course, they don't curl up ON her, but in my spot NEXT to her. So I NEVER have any room when I come to bed. And they just WON'T move at all! :) I end up picking them up, (they're dead weight, of course), and putting them at the foot of the bed. I will admit though, there's nothing like a warm kitty sleeping at your feet... :) Take care everyone and wish us luck with Hubble :), John ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: I thought I'd make you a sweater... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 07:58:59 -0800 (PST) .. because,ya know, I was up.. Alex, what is "Real Genius"? Was this a daily double? -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 11:31:22 EST From: bgupta@hannibal.atl.ge.com (Bob R Gupta) Subject: introduction Hello all: I'm a new reader of ecto and Happy's music and I wanted to introduce myself. My name is Bob Gupta and I live in Cherry Hill, NJ. Uh... I guess I'm supposed to give my foot size (Does this have anything to do with the size of a man's foot relating to .... :-) It is a 10 1/2. (Oh well, I guess that blows that theory... :-( ) My birthday is March 10, 1966. I noticed a lot of 1966 b-days in one of the previous posts so unfortunately I become one of the masses - I do value my individuality. I was introduced to Happy's music while reading gaffa. An ectophile suggested her music and I bought _Rhodesongs_ to get a sampling of her music. Well, it didn't take long for me to relate to her (just one hearing). I really like her melodies and chord changes - they feel like they were written for me. I've been searching for a long time for music like this! You know, the usual, Kate, Tori, Peter Gabriel, etc... but nothing moves me like Happy's music. Okay I've gone on long enough, but I'm very excited about her music. I've bought _Rhodes II_ and Equipoise (sp?) and I want to give them my full attention before I go on to the rest. I still have a few listenings to get the full meaning of all her lyrics, but I can't wait.... I've been lurking around this group for the last few days and I really like the conversations. I thank Paul C, Bob L, & Joe for responding to my request for the ecto-station in my area. BTW, I've also heard Dead Can Dance for the first time last week, and IMO, they are phenomenal!! Can you believe it? Finding 2 new artists in the same month!?!? In addition to loving ecto-music, I also have another reason for finding new music. I teach indoor color guard. I don't want to go into too much detail at this time (may be in the future), but basically, we interpret music through the visual arts incorporating dance, movement, and equipment (usually flags, rifles, etc...) It has become very artistic and competitive, although it is not a widely know activity. My groups are all kids between the ages of 14 - 22. The point is that I am always looking for progressive/ unexplored music. In the past, we have performed to: Kate Bush, Les Vois de Music Bulgares (sp?), Trio Bulgarka, Pat Metheny, Yes. This year, we are going to perform: Depeche Mode, Meredith Monk. Dead Can Dance and Happy are definite possibilities for the future. If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate hearing them. I've gone on long enough. Anyway, I just wanted to say HI!!!! Bob Gupta Cherry Hill, NJ ======================================================================== Date: 10 Dec 1993 08:56:53 U From: "emilyb" Subject: and now for a message from our sponsors... This morning, as I was driving to work, the announcer on the public radio station said "_Morning Edition_ is brought to you in part by 4AD/Warner Records, distributors of _Into the Labyrinth_, the new album by Dead Can Dance." Interesting choice of promotional avenues! -- Emily ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 17:19:11 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: Some more un-lurking At 4:26 pm 9/12/93 -0800, Lisa "Happy Cat" Laane wrote: >Considering that there are NO people listed for 1973, I felt "obligated" >to un-lurk for a bit and introduce myself. ... lots of stuff deleted ... Thank you for writing such a wonderful post. It was a pleasure to read, and perfectly in tune with the spirit of Ecto. >Finally, I have to ask a question out of curiosity. Some time back, I >was introduced to the Myers-Briggs personality type indicator. ... more stuff deleted ... >And more specifically, it would be interesting to hear what >some of the other people on his list are. I happen to be an INFJ, and >many of my closest friends are INFPs. Anyone else know what they are?? I'm a real sucker for this kind of self-examination stuff. I almost invariably find these analyses enlightening and helpful in dealing with the world. As far as Myers-Briggs is concerned, I am an INTJ but the T & J are very borderline (11/10 and 16/13 respectively). Immediately before taking the test we were introduced to the typing concept and asked to guess how we thought we would turn out from the descriptions of the personalities associated with the various type combinations. I guessed INFP and my boss guessed I was ISTJ which must show how good I am at role-playing an 'S' at work, because in fact the 'N' was very strong (20/2). >Anyway, I've rambled long enough, but again, "hi" to you all, and >thanks for making the world seem a little friendlier!! Now back to >lurking... Glad you're enjoying the list, Lisa. But now that you've delurked why not stay "out"? :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 17:59:00 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: Puff, Puff, Puff... At 8:12 am 9/12/93 -0800, Jim Gurley wrote: >Steve Fagg wrote: >Subject: Re: Image and Music > > Part of the stereotypical image of the American male often held in this part > of the world is their often grotesque obesity. I've only been to the States > a couple of times, so I don't claim to have a statistically significant > sample of observation to draw from, but certainly I did notice a much greater > number of fat men than I would consider the norm around here. > >-- > >This brings up an interesting point Steve. Michael Peskura and I and >another friend were talking about the weight issue and we came to the >conclusion that people in Britian are skinnier than in the US in general, >which we found odd considering the amount of fried food prevelant in the >diet (which is just as prevelant in the US diet I guess, i.e. fast food >crap); we were thinking specifically of bangers and mash, battered sausages, >fish and chips, kippers, etc. (which we Americans tend to think of when we >think of British cuisine) Each of us could remember seeing more >under-weight people there than overweight wehn we visited London. So...? I think this is true. Only our doctors wouldn't consider them to be *under*weight in most cases. Me, I *am* considered underweight (6ft, 110lbs) but I suspect most of the people you saw and considered underweight would be classed as within normal limits by a British doctor. Obesity is certainly much less prevalent here and I think that the *SIZE* of the typical meal on each side of the Atlantic is related. American portions are just so *HUGE*, this was definitely one stereotype of the American way of life that I *did* find confirmed when I visited the US. I don't know which is cause and which effect, or even if they are so simply related. >(Hey, let's start another thread): >But then there also seems to be more acceptance of smoking in Britian. >There doesn't seem to be anything like a non-smoker's rights movement. It >was hard to go anywhere in London (mind you this was in 1991) where you >could get anway from smokers. Smoking doesn't seem to have the stigma that >it's getting here in the US. Does it seem less frowned upon elsewhere, i.e. >in Europe or Russian, etc.??? Or am I just blowing smoke rings? It is beginning to be less socially acceptable to smoke, and there has long been a non-smokers' rights organisation (ASH - Action on Smoking & Health), but the tobacco ocmpanies are very powerful lobbyists and fund a smokers' rights campaign (FOREST - Freedom Organisation for the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco), so there is still a very long way to go. No smoking areas in restaurants are beginning to appear, and trains and tubes in the London area are non-smoking as are tube stations (though this is not very well respected - and not policed at all). There are advertising restrictions and health warnings on packets, but smokers are certainly not stigmatised as much as extremists like me think they should be. France is much worse, in spite of having supposedly stricter laws - they just seem to be universally disregarded, and is a real smoker's paradise. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 18:16:06 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: Servicing mission is over! And other Ecto-notes... At 10:57 am 10/12/93 -0500, SANDOVAL@stsci.edu wrote: >Hello again! Hello, John! > Well, the Hubble Space Telescope is back on it's own now, with all of the >repairs completed. The mission went extremely well, with only a few minor >glitches. Hopefully, the optics problems have been resolved and Hubble will >REALLY start to amaze. :) A 48 hour health and safty period begins tomorrow, >then the first weekly schedule gets uploaded on Monday. That's when the REAL >fun begins, calibrating, finding precise aperture locations (part of my job), >etc... Great news! Ecto has proved its worth in an unexpected way during this mission. I usually scan the sci.space.news group during shuttle missions to read the mission control center reports that get posted there twice daily. But the major news has come through quicker on Ecto that via that route. Not bad for an ostensibly music-oriented list! > Take care everyone and wish us luck with Hubble :), Good luck with Hubble! It's produced some great science already and now it's got its spectacles fitted it should be able to amaze us even more. You should be mighty proud to be associated with a project of such significance. I'm green with envy. :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 18:23:15 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: introduction At 11:31 am 10/12/93 -0500, Bob R Gupta wrote: >Hello all: Hello Bob! And welcome to Ecto. :-) >I've bought >_Rhodes II_ and Equipoise (sp?) and I want to give them my full attention >before I go on to the rest. I reckon this is a good approach. There's so much packed into each album (come to that there's often so much packed into each *SONG*) that they deserve, and reward, prolonged careful listening. >I still have a few listenings to get the full >meaning of all her lyrics, but I can't wait.... You may never get the *FULL* meaning of *ALL* her lyrics. :-) Happy sometimes puts little things in there of which really only she knows the true sigificance. She can be a bit of a tease at times, along with her other qualities. :-) :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 14:13:09 -0500 From: pearceja%pomis.dnet@wl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: High Fashion Music (Ack!) I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 10-Dec-1993 02:00pm EST From: Lt Jeffrey A. Pearce PEARCEJA Dept: POSF Tel No: 55451 TO: _MAILER! ( _DDN[ECTO@NS1.RUTGERS.EDU] ) Subject: High Fashion Music (Ack!) I recently heard an ad for TRS on a local station, 97X, the one Dustin Hoffman quotes ("97X, the future of rock and roll") in Rain Man. Anyway, towards the end of this add, they described TRS as "high fashion music." I almost soiled my steering wheel. Does anyone know if this is ad copy written by Columbia/Sony or if its the brain(dead) child of local advertisers? Who knows, maybe someone out there thinks this is an apt description. Jeff pearceja@wl.wpafb.af.mil ps I've always been proud to think of my musical tastes as somewhat unfashionable. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 11:10:25 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Servicing mission is over! And other Ecto-notes... I'm really glad to hear that the Hubble optics correction went well... I was a bit worried about the space-walks. Space junk is a realy (er, really) big problem-- a few years ago, a paint chip gouged a one-inch pit in the Shuttle's forward windshield! Imagine what that would do to a spacesuit... D^2 ======================================================================== Subject: any ectophiles in Indiana? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 14:21:31 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu A friend of mine in Bloomington, IN is looking to buy a Happy CD for a friend (he's got a compilation I sent him ages ago, which he's just now finding time to get into...) He says he hasn't found any HTR in B-ton. I don't know if he's looked in all the right places (I'll have some suggestions for him) but I was wondering if anybody knew of any stores carrying the Hapster in either Indy or Columbus, two other IN cities Jim regularly visits. Any thoughts? Jeff (who knows precisely where to find Happy in DC and vicinity, but precious few other places outside the area...) |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Everything is still with a fear of never coming out | |Suffering Bad Grammar| Never following through / Never ever finishing | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | What we wanted to do." -- Melissa Ferrick | ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 11:21:25 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: New discovery (?) Saw this in _Keyboard_ magazine last month: Amy X Neuberg, _Songs 91 to 85_ (Racer Records, 2443 Fillmore St., #202, San Francisco, CA, 94115) Neuberg's talents as songwriter, singer, arranger, studio technician, and keyboardist distinguish this remarkable release. From "This is the last," an intricate a capella exercise in polyrhythms and accessible pop tunesmithery, Neuberg stretches to a sequence-driven recitatif, "Nothing," with staccato vocals skipping over a spiky synth pattern. No slouch on keys, she plays some lines in "Get you out" with a most peculiar lead texture -- analog synth with snarling animal sample? (Cut in 1985, this track forecasts the techno phenomenon with a frenzied clairvoyance.) A hypnotic quality permeates her arrangements -- not the stupor of new age but the more dynamic stasis of minimalist repetitions powered, as on "Keep us 2," but displaced accents and emphasized by sharp, low-budget, buzzy textures. Even on the sparer pieces, such as "It never ends," a restlessness underlies her langorous vocals and lazy, legato synth lines. If the world was fair, _Songs_ would win this Bay Area performance artist acclaim as America's answer to Kate Bush. No, even THAT isn't fair: Neuberg is a major player in her own right, a unique voice in the true sense of the word. I ordered this album about a week ago; I'll let you know my impressions as soon as I get it. The record company, Racer Records, is just one person handling six bands (including Neuberg) , with almost no distribution; all the albums are being sold mail-order. I have a feeling Neuberg may become a new cause celebre.. :) D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 16:06:49 From: dbburke@mit.edu (Diane Burke) I just wanted to write to say that I am pleasantly surprised by the kinds of posts people send to ecto (especially lately) and the kind of supportive responses. Including replies to my own very awkward attempts to participate. >, It has always seemed >that people are expected to ALWAYS be happy and content on the >outside. Seeing this, I always felt alone in my depression. >Moreover, I have a tendency to think about EVERYTHING a little too >much to the point of it being stifling, and I was always confronted >by people who just don't seem to think at all or those who would tell me >I just think too much. Happy's music somehow validated my right to >feel as I do, and I started feeling like I, too, have a place in the >world--that I'm not entirely weird or anything. I just liked what Lisa had to say. It seems alot of people are down lately. As we approach the darkest day of the year things that sort of marginally bother us, seem to get amplified. My Dad died ~ 4 years ago Dec. 19 or 20 and so I always have a hard time during the holidays. And people do expect you to be happy. This time has always been for me a time to reflect on the past year, remember things I've done and think about where I want to go with my life in the new year. Last year I was informed that this time of year is for partying (mindlessly is what was implied). I like to party, but not if it means pretending to be 100% happy. This past year I traveled for the first time in my life by myself, to France twice. Corsica is beautiful! It was great! I love travelling alone, staying in hotels, exploring, train rides, meeting cool people. I've been taking night classes for the past two years (French) and it's been really good. It gave me courage to apply to college after 12 years (since HS) of pursuing other non-academic endeavors. And this year I got accepted to a good college which sort of surprised me. I was a serious high school partier, college was the last thing on my mind. What else? I guess that's enough. It's been a good year, but it's been hard too. Change is stressful even if it's positive. It's therapeutic for me to dance wildly around my apt. singing "Possessed" at the top of my lungs and banging on my guitar. Musically I'm not really talented. (Sorry Angelos, I know you disagree.) But, it makes me feel good, even when I'm depressed. Somehow pain and creativity go hand in hand for me. I want to apologize to everyone. I feel really bad about the way I unlurked. Throwing up a wall immediately. . Oh well, I'm learning. S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S So long ======================================================================== From: "Greg O'Rear" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:14:22 EST5EDT Subject: Pile o' CDs from AG I finally received my shipment from AG. Since Vickie said it was easy to get them autographed, I asked. As it turned out, only one of them--Equipoise-- was autographed. No huge deal, I guess, but I could have bought them cheaper at my local record store. The idea was that I was buying them direct from AG so that they would be autographed. But the main reason I bought them was for the music, so I can't be too disappointed. I just wondered, though, if maybe Happy had signed a huge stack of Equipoises a while ago, and AG are just doling them out as needed. Oh, yeah, I got the T shirt too, and it looks pretty small for an XL (one size only). Not the greatest recording artist shirt I have, but it's the best Happy Rhodes shirt I have seen. :-) So, now I've started at the beginning. I've made it halfway through Rhodes I. Which is the one she redid for RhodeSongs? "Given In"? I like the RhodeSongs version better. It'll take a while for me to catch up to 1993. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg O'Rear E-mail: orear@ise.ufl.edu Industrial and Systems Engineering Department Phone: (904) 392-3389 University of Florida, Gainesville, Florida FAX: (904) 392-3537 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:33:32 -0500 From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) Subject: Re: New discovery (?) >Amy X Neuberg, _Songs 91 to 85_ (Racer Records, 2443 Fillmore St., #202, >San Francisco, CA, 94115) I hope you like it, but I have a couple of the songs from it on a Racer Records sampler, and I found them wholly uninspiring. I got CDs by two Racer artists, Wonderboy and Dennis Phelps, and I'm sorry to say that though they both have pleasant moments, I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are suffering any great injustice by languishing on such a tiny label. glenn ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 14:07:29 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Meyers-Briggs Hi Lisa, welcome (or welcome out) to Ecto. If I remember correctly, I am an INFP. Your book is probably written by Otto Krueger (sp?), as he seems to have sort of a corner on the market. An old roommate was an incredibly huge devotee of Meyers-BRiggs, and I always think of this guy as Saint Otto, since roomie practically worshiped him. (He even gave me an INFP t-shirt, over my strong objections, which I find makes a fine rag.) Where I worked back in Maryland, almost everyone took the Meyers-Briggs test and was familiar with it. While it has some good ideas too it, particularly for understanding yourself and others, I have found that breaking people into these kinds of easy categories led to way too much labeling. In an atmosphere where Meyers-Briggs was pervasive, people would immediately stereotype how people would act/re-act based on their personality profiles. The instructors in the seminars were the worst, actually making comments like this is a personality type I never like, or telling stories about one ESTJ who would do some activity, and conclude with something like by the way, this ESTJ was my son. These people seemed prone to thinking and relating to people as examples of their type, rather than as individuals, and I found that really disgusting. However, I think it is a characteristic of my type to hate labeling and pigeon-holing of any sort. This was all rather negative, but there are interesting things that can be learned through these kinds of tests. I did gain some awarenesses of the different modes of thinking that people have, and how different types of people tend to function and express themselves in different ways. Also, the catch words for the letters have definitions different than people might expect from just the dictionary definition of the word, so introvert and extrover (and all the others) have a lot more meaning than you might think. Neal ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Pile o' CDs from AG Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 17:26:16 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >I finally received my shipment from AG. Since Vickie said it was easy to get >them autographed, I asked. As it turned out, only one of them--Equipoise-- >was autographed. I believe that was the case when Mike ordered "All 6" back in February. I have an autographed "Equipoise" liner note (an extra one in addition to the one that came in my CD) but none of my other 1st6 are signed (yeah, but I have the non-bar-coded Warpaint and the tapes of the 1st4, so that counts for something...;-) I dunno. Maybe Happy is trying to limit how many "collector's items" she produces? >No huge deal, I guess, but I could have bought them cheaper >at my local record store. I find that *very* surprising. I rarely see a Happy CD for less than the $13.99 that Happy charges. Usually they're $15-16. While the $2 shipping is a bit pricey for the first disk, the $0.35/additional disc is cheaper than sales tax on a single disk (well, in most states...). >The idea was that I was buying them direct from AG >so that they would be autographed. Ah, but now you also have a mailer with your name and address written on it by Happy! How's *that* for collectible? (well, it's probably done by Happy, she does most of 'em) >Not the greatest recording artist >shirt I have, but it's the best Happy Rhodes shirt I have seen. :-) That's because you haven't seen the limited edition Ecto shirt that Jessica put together a couple of years ago. >So, now I've started at the beginning. I've made it halfway through Rhodes I. >Which is the one she redid for RhodeSongs? "Given In"? Well, it wasn't redone for _RhodeSongs_, it was recorded for WXPN (or was it for World Cafe? I'm confused). But yes, "Given In" is a new version. So is "SOS," "In Hiding" (which I *much* prefer...I like acoustic guitar better than piano), and "Feed the Fire". >I like the RhodeSongs version better. I like *both* versions. Jeff (listening to VII) (who still has all the mailers that Happy has sent him discs in, but doesn't have the mailer his 1st4 tapes came in because it was put together by Kevin and that didn't count, but he does have the AG catalog on which Kevin wrote to him that he and Happy were heading to Boston to do something final in the production of _Warpaint_ and to tell me to keep my eyes open for the release) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)