Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #896 ecto, Number 896 Wednesday, 8 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Image and Music Mixing It playlist for 6 Dec 93 Re: mysterious Russia Kate and TLTCTC plans in US, or lack of radio - reply to bob Re: wedding Sarah McLachlan Re: radio - reply to bob Today's your birthday friend.... Help! weddings and obesity How old is your birthday friend?... uh, idunno Media Play Re: mysterious Russia ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 02:28:00 BST Subject: Re: Image and Music I agree with Michael and Neile regarding the double standard on weight. We certainly live in a zany time in society; last century extra weight on women was "in fashion"; now they have to look like waifs! Weight should never have any bearing on our perceptions of people. Same with skin color, sexual preference, etc. I recall a line from Equipoise's "Play The Game" about women being taught to hate their bodies... So I take note that in Happy's Philadelphia concerts, Kelly Bird was prominently featured onstage. Kelly has a wonderful voice, and in speaking with her I found her to be an outgoing, wonderful person. Kelly does not fit with society's concept of beautiful, and society is at a loss for this. I'm appalled that overweight is considered a "character" flaw in women. Grrr! Ah, but if we could only accept ourselves for who and what we are, this whole world would be a happier place. A recent episode of "Northern Exposure" made the point that low self-esteem is responsible for most of the world's ills, and I feel that there are many ways society reinforces low self-esteem in people. Religious guilt, weight, color, sexual preference, athletic ability or lack thereof, eye color - the list goes on and on. It's up to each of us to be more open to the spiritual being inhabiting every human body, to develop awareness beyond our senses. It's all so very simple if you just look to your soul. Courtney, it seems congrats are in order for you! Best wishes!!! Well, enough rambling. Knowing the civility of ecto, I feel all of you already know all this societal stuff! Love and happiness to all of you, AND: I got my new sig working!!! |**************************|**********************************************| | Robert Lovejoy | I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space | | Deepspace | -The Firesign Theatre | | Cherry Hill, NJ | But baby I'm here and I've been quite an | | r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co | Alien too... | | kdvn07a on Prodigy | -Happy Rhodes | |**************************|**********************************************| ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 10:23:12 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: Mixing It playlist for 6 Dec 93 Neal mentioned That Dog last Friday, which by a coincidence (well, ok, it _might_ not have been) Mixing It played this week. In fact, since I was at my parents over the weekend+ (Christmas Shopping, of course), I transcribed the whole playlist off Ceefax. Without more ado (or permission): [format is something like: artist/composer title album name label, serial number ] Autechre Lanx 3 Volume 8 Volume 8VCD8 [This was a taster for a mini-interview with the guy who started Volume, a regular (monthly?) CD + a-book-about-the-artists collection thingy.] John Zorn Cobra (Maestoso Meccanico Section) Cobra HAT ART CD60401 King Missile Glass/Detachable Penis Happy Hour Atlantic 7567-82459-2 Glass & Ginsberg Song 2: Jaweh & Allah Battle Hydrogen Jukebox Elektra Nonesuch 7559-79286-2 Ken Nardine A Cage Went in Search of a Bird Earle Brown 3 Solos for Trumpet Takehisha Kosugi 75 Leters for Improvisation James Tenney[?] Ergodos for J. Cage John Cale In Memoriam John Cage -- Call Waiting John Cage Tribute (2 CD Set) Koch 3-72382 [Appropriately, this selection was made at random by the CD player] That Dog Punk Rock Girl That Dog Guernica GU 6 [Yes Neal, women and a non-woman on drums :) But they were definitely singing on this] Gubaidulina Symphony "Stimmen Verstimmen" 12th movt. Royal Stockholm Philharmonic / Rozhdestvensky Chandos CHAN 9183 next week is the Frank Zappa special. Ian. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 03:40:56 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: mysterious Russia > it would be interesting to people here. Well, thre first thing I want to > tell you about Russia is that it is not mysterious at all :) - hmm, I better > get to explain that. I'm catghing up on Ecto again. You're in St. Petersburg!!? My step-mom (although I just call her Galina) is from Russia and she and my father are going to St. Petersburg for a month. They were there for 3 months this summer too. There are a few scientists from there visiting here at the Univeristy of Arizona too. What do you do there? I was in Russia once long long ago myelf when young. (Long before my father met Galina.) They are also changing planes in Frankfurt. Anyone have suggestions on what I should ask them to bring back from either of these places? (Especially Kate related perhaps in Frankfurt) --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 04:35:12 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Kate and TLTCTC plans in US, or lack of I talked to Tom at C-Side tonight and he told me that he talked to Nick at Sony who is the head of promo for Kate in the US. Tom was told that: 1. Kate isn't scheduled for any TV appearances in the US. (I'm still keeping a look out. It's dissapointing that she came all this way only to be heard and seen by a relatively small number of people! TV would let the whole country see her. Someone tell her there's much nicer places in the US than NY City... say Tucson for example! *grin* Well, I should add no one has said she isn't going somewhere else in the US. I forgot to ask Tom about it but I'm pretty certain he would have told me since he knew I was going to post here.) 2. Sony doesn't have the rights to _The Line, The Cross, The Curve_ in the US and can't do anything about showing it. (No wonder she's going to Toronto to show it!?) However, Kate supposedly brought it with her and it will be shown to the press and promoters on the 10th. There is no public viewing of the movie planned for the US at this point. ( :( Guess they still have to figure out who has the rights. UGH!!!) He also heard a *rumor* from somewhere else that RbG might be the next US single. Not very surprising since it has been on MTV at least 3 times and EtM only once that I know of. That rumor could have been started here though, so who knows. Well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news... no news isn't always good news. I hope her visit at least gets the film moving here. --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 08 Dec 93 01:26:57 CST From: kiri Subject: radio - reply to bob bob: the radio station is 92.1 fm in Oxford Ms...it is 6000 watts and reaches memphis on occasion....about 65 + miles north, 30 miles east dunno about west or south... where are you? kiri ======================================================================== Subject: Re: wedding Date: Wed, 08 Dec 93 10:06:12 +0000 From: Stephen Thomas > Mr. and Mrs. D.A. Dallas would like to announce the engagement of their > daughter.. > > Courtney M. Dallas > > to > > Kirstin A. Hargie > > daughter of.. > > Mr. and Mrs. J. Hargie Congratulations to the both of you, together with my love and best wishes for the future. With a few hugs thrown in for good measure, too :) Keep well, both of you! Stephen ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 12:39:23 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: wedding At 6:33 pm 7/12/93 -0600, Courtney wrote: > Mr. and Mrs. D.A. Dallas would like to announce the engagement of their > daughter.. > > Courtney M. Dallas > > to > > Kirstin A. Hargie > > daughter of.. > > Mr. and Mrs. J. Hargie Congratulations to Court and Kiri! *HUGS* to you both. Have you fixed a date yet for the happy day? Jessica, do the Ecto archives have a wedding photos section yet??? -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 13:20:03 GMT Subject: Sarah McLachlan Hold On (is that from the new album?) appears on a compilation album called "No Alternative". Also features Matthew Sweet and Soul Asylum amongst others. Quite an eclectic mix!! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 09:41:59 EST From: bgupta@hannibal.atl.ge.com (Bob R Gupta) Subject: Re: radio - reply to bob Kiri, I definitely pulled a homer on this one. I have to let out a big DOE!!!! I looked at the reply address and noticed that it was rutgers in New Jersey. Well, this was, uh... let's just say that I'm going to sit in a corner with a big dunce cap on my head. I guess I got too excited when I heard that a radio station played Dead Can Dance. I bought _Into the Labyrinth_ last week and I must say it in incredible. However, I never thought it would be played on the radio!!!! Anyone in Zoo Jersey - I live in Cherry Hill which is just east of Philadelphia - who can suggest an ecto-station to listen to? I think WDRE 103.9 comes close. -Bob Gupta ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 15:31:16 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: Image and Music At 3:02 pm 7/12/93 -0800, Neile Graham wrote: >Michael Colford made a really good point regarding the double standard when >it comes to weight. There recently was an interesting piece on weight on >NPR, and they were talking about how being overweight doesn't really >effect men quite so much because men are expected to be larger >physically. Especially American men. Part of the stereotypical image of the American male often held in this part of the world is their often grotesque obesity. I've only been to the States a couple of times, so I don't claim to have a statistically significant sample of observation to draw from, but certainly I did notice a much greater number of fat men than I would consider the norm around here. To my mind, this acceptance of obesity as normal in men makes the pressures put on women to be slim even worse. Double standardsindeed. >When women are larger physically it means they are opting >out of the small woman = sexy woman image that women are expected to live >up to. This pernicious idea that, to be attractive, women must be slim is gaining ground over here too, especially among women. Personally I blame the influence of American media. The incidence of eating disorders among teenage girls has rocketed in recent years and diet fads and workout videos are all the rage. I find it quite sickening, the preoccupation with diets and slimming, so much effort and anguish and energy wasted. All it seems to achieve is to make the victims ever more miserable and obsessed. Even women who seem quite well balanced in other respects seem to be susceptible. Not being a psychologist I'm at a loss as to what might be done to prevent it. >The piece also went on to talk about discrimination particularly in >hiring and that "them heavy people" don't get the work because being >overweight is considered a character flaw, particularly in women. Like all discrimination it's stupid, but I'm not convinced it is applied anything like so much to men. I mean, when I'm down the pub for example, I hear all kinds of neanderthal attitudes being expressed: racism, sexism, ageism, even heightism. The English drinking man on his home turf is quite free of any inhibitions of a politically correct kind, and I frequently hear things that make me pretty angry. It seems to me that the weight thing isn't seen in isolation, but is part of a stereotype package that is looked for in female employees. A different set of factors seems to be applied to men looking for work. Hair length for example. >It is >a rejection of the standard values, particularly when someone doesn't >mind being overweight and isn't always apologizing for it. I understand what you're saying here, but I'd just like to add that "always appologising for it" is unlikely to get anubody any further. Those who don't like fat women are unlikely to be moved, and those who don't discriminate might well be put off somebody who seemed to be so defensive. >Rejecting the >standard values isn't a way to win popularity in this society--even in >so-called alternative music. > >I'm quite overweight, and while I'd rather be slimmer than I am I've >never been slim, except as a very young child. As a teenager I agonized >over it, but as an adult I've learned that as long as I'm healthy there >are more important things to worry about. A good healthy attitude. It needs spreading. Maybe you'd make a good role model for young girls who are getting concerned about their size. Unfortunately there seem to be so many sources of the unhealthy attitudes, starting with parents, and extending right through most spheres of life. >I've been really lucky--I have >enough confidence that I've managed to get mostly where I want to be in >life and I'm happily married (hear that, Jim?), but I know a lot of other >women who have been discriminated against all their lives and have had >their confidence totally eroded. Confidence is the key thing. I'm not convinced it can all be rationally blamed on discrimination that's been experienced. At least as much seems to be down to poor self-image and difficulty in loving oneself. I've heard of instances where an large increase in weight has itself been caused by anxiety about other factors, leading to destructive negative feedback. I'm always suspicious of simple analyses of people's psychology, and while I don't deny that discrimination goes on and is hard to cope with and should be challenged whenever it's encountered, it's not just a straightforward case of cause and effect in the same way as racial discrimination. It's very frustrating to be involved with someone who suffers from this kind of negative self-image. You see them constantly failing to attain their capabilities because they're held back by their own view of themselves as being unworthy. It can be almost a case of self-loathing, bodily and mentally. Their view of themselves can become far more extreme than any outside influence would appear to justify, and it can become almost totally disabling. I'm at a loss to know what can be done to help such people. How can they be led to see that they are worthy of love and respect for who they are, and that their perceived shortcomings aren't a barrier to that? The discrimination seems at times almost to be used to provide a justification for something that's more deeply rooted. Neile describes agonising over her weight as a teenager, but then getting over it as an adult. I'm sure that story is familiar to many, it certainly is to me even though the only weight problem I've ever had is lack of it. Unfortunately my experiences give me what I believe is a good insight into how such sufferers are feeling, but offers no clues as to how to help. In my case I just sort of snapped out of it. I know the proximate cause was something said by somebody for whom I had a lot of respect, even awe (even though his own private life was characterised by a succession of crises), but I'm sure that was just the trigger for something that had been gathering momentum in my sub-conscience anyway. It's that underlying groundswell of change that is so hard to engender, but which is vital for change to be effected. Like the old lightbulb joke: It's got to want to change. I should stop waffling.... >It's bad enough being a woman in this >society, but being a woman who isn't playing the game is even worse. > >There's a good book about this called _Fat is a Feminist Issue_. > >Anyway, that's what artists like Ann Wilson and Martha Walsh are up >against, particularly in the pop world where glitz is more important than >music. Otherwise why would Madonna be such a megastar? Why put Nancy out >in front? Why not even show Martha? Why did Happy create the _Equipoise_ >cover? I was with you right up to that last point there, Neile. Could you enlarge on the relationship between the cover of Equipoise and fat women? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 07:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Image and Music On Wed, 8 Dec 1993, Steve Fagg's Mac wrote: > >in front? Why not even show Martha? Why did Happy create the _Equipoise_ > >cover? > > I was with you right up to that last point there, Neile. Could you enlarge > on the relationship between the cover of Equipoise and fat women? Well, not necessarily fat women, but the whole beauty and the beast dichotomy that we've set up, where either you're living up to the world's expectations of beauty or you're a monster and there's something alien and evil about you. _Equipoise_ seems to me to be about maintaining a balance between good/evil, society's expectations/realities, light side/dark side, surface/depth, etc. In the context I'm talking about beauty/not-beauty. It's particularly unbalanced in the music industry, and that's part of what Happy's talking about. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 16:11:15 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: Image and Music At 7:47 am 8/12/93 -0800, Neile Graham wrote: >On Wed, 8 Dec 1993, Steve Fagg's Mac wrote: > >> >in front? Why not even show Martha? Why did Happy create the _Equipoise_ >> >cover? >> >> I was with you right up to that last point there, Neile. Could you enlarge >> on the relationship between the cover of Equipoise and fat women? > >Well, not necessarily fat women, but the whole beauty and the beast >dichotomy that we've set up, where either you're living up to the world's >expectations of beauty or you're a monster and there's something alien >and evil about you. _Equipoise_ seems to me to be about maintaining a >balance between good/evil, society's expectations/realities, light >side/dark side, surface/depth, etc. In the context I'm talking about >beauty/not-beauty. It's particularly unbalanced in the music industry, >and that's part of what Happy's talking about. Right, I'm with you now I think. This is the "if I have to be pretty to be liked, then I'm dead in the water" thing, yes? Certainly "Equipoise" does seem to affirm very strongly the duality of human nature and the presence of both halves in all of us and the need to find a balance. And I think I can see what you're driving at by linking that with the surface/depth contrast. I hadn't thought about that aspect of it before, but now the more I consider it that way the more right it seems. Happy does seem to have included in her quest for balance the idea of the contrast between surface appearance and underlying reality. A bit like Macbeth, no? "Fair is foul, foul is fair" and "there's no art to find the mind's construction in the face". Thanks for that insight, Neile. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 07:13:27 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ****** Ken Hoyme ****** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ken Hoyme Sun December 8 1957 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Shelby Sun December 13 1970 Roscoe the Frog Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Karl Dotzek Sat December 30 1961 Capricorn Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 1 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 3 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 4 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 5 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 8 1962 Pool of Life -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 08 Dec 93 12:00:19 EST From: Tamar Boursalian Subject: Help! Hi! Help! I've lost the CD Bar's phone# and email address! There's someone on this list who works there, right? (I'm sorry, I've forgotten your name) Anyway, I really want to get my dad the Trio Bulgarka's "The Forest Is Crying" CD for Christmas, and I couldn't find it at Tower Records, so I thought the CD Bar might have it. So I need to know a) is it available? b) how much is it? and c) can I get it in time for Christmas? I'm sorry to be posting this personal business here, but you all are so nice I didn't think you'd mind! :-) On a sad note, I can't go to NY to see Kate at Tower!! :-( :-( I have something I can't get out of that day. What a drag! Anyway, Meredith has said she'll say hi for me and ask Kate if she wants to come to New Haven to have pizza with us. Do you think she will? Happy Holidays everyone!! --Tamar (boutame@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu) Rest in peace Frank Zappa...... ======================================================================== Date: 08 Dec 93 14:07:56 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: weddings and obesity | Mr. and Mrs. D.A. Dallas would like to announce the engagement of their | daughter.. | Courtney M. Dallas | to | Kirstin A. Hargie | daughter of.. | Mr. and Mrs. J. Hargie Hey, congratulations! So, when's the wedding? Re: the fat thread that's been floating thru the ecto... I once saw a fascinating talk show (jenny jones maybe, or perhaps donahue or oprah). Anyways, it was only about women. 4 or 5 women. They each changed their appearence in some way and went about work and life for 48 hours. The first woman was normally trim, worked out regularly, etc. and she wore a fat suit, face and all, for 48 hours. Her reaction to the experience was overwelmingly negative. People who normally were friendly looked disgusted (they apparently did not recognize her). She ordered desert in a restaurant and the waiter said something like "are you sure you want to do that?" I mean this was extreme. People on the elevator snubbed her; sales clerks were rude, and on and on. This as compared to the way she was used to being treated, a comparison which fat people may not be able to make and thus may not know how bad the discrim- ination is. It was pretty telling and shocking. The other women: 1 dressed up as a man, again quite convincingly, and she actually loved it. She said not only did men treat her differently, but even women did! 2 women walked around with significantly enhanced breasts for 2 days. They *hated* it. They said people (again men & women) treated them differently, generally paying more attention to them, staring, etc. It was harder to exercise and just general mobility was decreased. Again, fascinating. This show just underscored how society (esp. american) is obsessed with physical appearence, gender, and on and on... i.e. external characteristics that people mostly have little or no choice about. Is it the woman's fault she wasn't a man? The small-breasted woman that she wasn't large-breasted? The fat woman that she was prone to being fat instead of being thin? Nope. I must say that ecto, and computer mailing lists in general, have taught me more than any othert thing in my life the lesson that physical appearence is so unimportant. Yet, I know that I am still so conditioned to form 1st and lasting impressions based on physical characteristics that I almost hate myself, I think I have improved quite a bit over recent time, but I know that everything from interest in a person to sexuality and erotica is influenced by physicality. Maybe, hopefully, one day, our society will evolve to a formless species, or in some other way neutralize the weight carried (NPI) by physical appearence. Also, let me point out wrt what Neile says about fat people being disadvantaged in the job market that the same applies to tall people. Everyone knows that the taller candidate virtually always wins the election and beats out the shorter equally (or even less)-qualified job candidate. Tall people are generally more successful in life and the conditioning starts fom a very young age. People are even less able to control their height than their weight, yet both seem extremely crucial factors in determining whether you'll succeed and be happy in life. Kinda interesting and gross at the same time, ay? What a wretched animal is the human. Shame on us all. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 17:58:31 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: How old is your birthday friend?... ok ok, I was bored so I hacked this histogram from Klaus's Birthday file. Make of this what you will. 1916 * ... 1947 * ... 1951 * * 1952 * * * * * 1953 * 1954 * * * 1955 * * 1956 * * * * * 1957 * * * 1958 * * * * * * * 1959 * * 1960 * * * * 1961 * * * * 1962 * * * * * * * * 1963 * * * * 1964 * * * * * * * * * * * 1965 * * * * * * * 1966 * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1967 * * * * 1968 * * * * * * * 1969 * * * * * * * * * * * 1970 * * * * * * * * * * * 1971 * * * * * * * 1972 * * 1973 1974 * * * * ... 1980 * ... 1986 * ... 1991 * * 1992 * ok, and this one too Mon ********************** Tue ********************** Wed ********************* Thu ****************** Fri ******************** Sat *************** Sun **************** ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 12:34:46 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: uh, idunno COngrats to the newly engaged, Court & Kiri. Best wishes to you both. Meredith, I sent your mom a birthday greeting, but I forgot to cc it to you. Hope she was entertained and confused by whatever she found in her mailbox. What surprises me is that a lot of woman are more critical about appearances than men. Not to say that I don't know men who are preoccupied in that area too. My last girlfriend frequently made negative observations about woman's anatomies (including her own) which I never noticed, and usually when they were pointed out to me, didn't really agree with. Of course she would do the same thing to men (though to a lesser degree). I guess she is more preoccupied with the physical than I am. Oh, at the AImee Mann show last week (which was great, of course), she and the band played an impromptu version of "Rocky MOuntain Way" as a response to Aimee's comment that the guitar player was being too much of a guitar hero type. It was hilarious as the audience tried to help her reconstruct the words and they stumbled along. I was also pretty excited to get a nod from Aimee when she played the first til Tuesday song and caught sight of me directly in front of the stage wearing my tT t-shirt. Neal ======================================================================== From: "Greg O'Rear" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 11:36:21 EST5EDT Subject: Media Play A new (and for me, dangerous) store just opened up in town called Media Play. They have books, videos, and CDs, and it's huge. Tons of CDs. This is now the first record store in town to stock Happy Rhodes CDs (I had to resist the temptation to buy them, as I'm patiently waiting on my package from AG to arrive (which should contain many autographed CDs). They also had lots of Sarah McLachlan stuff, including CD singles. I must say that, at least as far as my exposure to her is concerned (up to but not including "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy"), her voice gets on my nerves after a while. There's something about her constant yodeling and drifting in and out of tune that has a cumulative negative effect on me. I look forward to the new one, though. I thought I had the store stumped at one point, but then I found more than what I was looking for: two Mick Karn CDs (one I hadn't seen in 6 years, the other a limited edition of 10000). They even had a Sheila Chandra CD. But no Monsoon, no Margot Smith, no rare Tori stuff, and just the usual Kate. This is all before I got to the video section, so my credit cards are getting a bit heavy...well, I couldn't really pass up that "Not Only...But Also" video, now could I? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg O'Rear E-mail: orear@ise.ufl.edu Industrial and Systems Engineering Department Phone: (904) 392-3389 University of Florida, Gainesville, Florida FAX: (904) 392-3537 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: mbravo@tctube.spb.su (Michael E. Bravo) Subject: Re: mysterious Russia Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 22:03:08 +0300 (MSD) > I'm catghing up on Ecto again. You're in St. Petersburg!!? Erm, well, I _live_ with my parents in a suburban small town called Zelenogorsk, some 60 km from SPb, but since I'm going to the big city every day, for work and almost everything else, I use to say I'm in St.Petersburg. > My > step-mom (although I just call her Galina) is from Russia and she and Just a coincidence - my mother's name is also Galina :) > my father are going to St. Petersburg for a month. They were there > for 3 months this summer too. There are a few scientists from there Ah, good. I hope the weather will straighten up before their arrival, as for now it is in rather promiscuous (sp?) mode between the freezing and melting, resulting in nasty ice/mud/water switches daily. If they will want to drop a line to you concerning how they do here, tell them they can call me and I'll just type a message to you. My phone number in St.Petersburg is 231-3951, the best bet to catch me is between 22:00 and midnight. > visiting here at the Univeristy of Arizona too. What do you do there? Well, I live here :) For a living, I do computer consulting, mostly in the field of networks and communication. > They are also changing planes in Frankfurt. Anyone have suggestions > on what I should ask them to bring back from either of these places? > (Especially Kate related perhaps in Frankfurt) That depends on what you like :) - they can surely browse the music stores on Nevsky, if you mean music. There's quite a lot of russian music, though the 'alternative' kind of it is next to non-existent... but there are good titles, anyway. -- Michael E. Bravo AKA /\/\ike 7 812 231 3951 (home) The Communication Tube and Tusovka, Inc. mbravo@tctube.spb.su ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 15:24:45 CST From: CDALLAS3@ua1vm.ua.edu Date: Wed, 08 Dec 93 12:18:52 CST From: Courtney Subject: the shocking announcement..*smile* To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Thanks to all the friends who have sent congratulations and support for me and Kiri!! It certainly helps alot to know that we have people supporting us in our lifestyle of choice!! Ummm...no Jeffy, you werent dense, we just did not advertise the fact that we have been an item for about a year now! *smile*. As for our "sisterly" affiliation, *grin*, well, arent all women sisters? Seriously though, we have been such best friends for such a long time, that long before we decided to make things permanent, or even realized our interest, we called ourselves sisters to explain why/how we were such good friends!! We havent set a date yet, but we will certainly announce it to all of you when we do figure one out!! Thanks again everyone...every letter of good wishes and congratualtions beings a much needed smile to my face in this otherwise difficult time in my life!! Nothing serious..just school getting really really tough! Anyway, more details to follow... *hugs* Courtney (& Kiri)!! ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)