Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #381 ecto, Number 381 Friday, 11 December 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Best recording of '92 The Letter U and the Numeral 2 Ingenue? Ectoporpoise? Say it right Gods on stage HaPpY Birthday Ingenue? Ectoporpoise? (none) hi!! Re: Happy's new one Today's your birthday friend... Re: Permit me, please, to introduce myself Re: Top Ten Points on Dracula Dracula and other reviews HaPpY Birthday kumbaya Today's your birthday friend.... SF Net ======================================================================== From: Alan E. Moorse Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 16:45:10 -0500 Subject: Best recording of '92 The discussion of the best music of '92 prompts me to ask whether any ectophile might have a disc I suspect may be the most evil-fun recording of the year: Negativland's vanished "U2." I don't have the details of what happened to it, but the gist of it is that "U2" was released, then pulled off the market (at least here in the U.S.). I have a bootlegged tape of the single "The Letter `U' and the Numeral `2'," and I'd love to hear the rest of the album. Negativland has done some great stuff, some of which is recognizeable as music. I recently saw them here on the RPI campus, and they were hilarious. Amy Denio (sp?) was one of the openers, and she was great, too. If anyone has the missing album, I'd love to see a review or hear the disc. And if anyone out there had a youthfull and an earfull and a bellyfull of American Top 40 shows and would like to hear some GREAT outtakes from the show taping, I can dupe the bootleg for you. alanm ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 13:57:07 PST From: "John M. Relph" Subject: The Letter U and the Numeral 2 Alan E. Moorse writes: >I have a bootlegged tape of the >single "The Letter `U' and the Numeral `2'," and I'd love to hear the rest >of the album. There never was an album. There was only the single, with two tracks. -- John ======================================================================== Date: 09 Dec 92 18:29:02 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Ingenue? Ectoporpoise? Jeff: > I see their audiences as being much more in the group referred to as > "college" or "alternative" or some combination of the two. And I can > hardly imagine the title being a deterrent to buying the album. The only > exception I can think of is that if it's a word you're _really_ unfamilliar > with (I'd never heard it before, though the roots made the basic definition > implicit) you're not likely to remember it. The flip side, of course, is > that something so odd may just stick in your head anyway. > > I'm trying to think of some of the weirder album titles I have. AG's > _Wisteria_ comes to mind. It's not a word many people use in everyday > conversation unless they have a lot of the flowers growing near them. Actually, what comes to my mind is k d lang's latest Ingenue. This is certainly not a common word (in English :-) and most people are troubled to pronounce it (it usually comes out "on-je-noo" as opposed to "a-ge-nu:"). I don't think Equipoise is any worse... it may even be better. Someone I know just married Stuart Rosenburg! (i.e. the one Mitch refers to) -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 17:17:13 -0800 From: Michael Peskura Subject: Say it right Mr. Steve Fagg wrote: > This may not be how it's pronounced in North America (they have some > funny ideas about how to speak English over there sometimes :-)) but I > would pronounce 'poise' (in 'Equipoise' and when used as a word in its > own right) to rhyme with 'boys' rather than 'paws'. Then, Mr. Mike Mendelson wrote: > Actually, what comes to my mind is k d lang's latest Ingenue. > This is certainly not a common word (in English :-) and most > people are troubled to pronounce it (it usually comes > out "on-je-noo" as opposed to "a-ge-nu:"). I don't think > Equipoise is any worse... it may even be better. Well, i may be mistaken, but it seems to me that my British friends take a certain pride in mis-pronouncing words from the French tongue... :) As i say, i may just be imagining this phenomenon. BTW, i may or may not have also imagined this, but i thought CNN was implying this morning that the separation of Charles and Di was contributing to the fall in the value of the Pound. Cheers! Mp ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: Gods on stage Date: Wed, 09 Dec 92 21:44:03 EST Hi! This is a bit off the beaten Ecto path, but I saw a show last night I just had to rave about, and here is as good a place as any. Bela Fleck and the Flecktones were at Toad's Place in New Haven last night. For those of you unfamiliar with this group, they started out as a bluegrass group, and now do a mix of jazz, fusion, blues, bluegrass and Celtic. And they do it very, very well. Bela Fleck plays the acoustic and electric banjo. He's put quite a few albums out on his own in the past 15 years or so, and with the Flecktones I think he's done three albums, the latest being UFO TOFU, released late this past summer. The group also includes Howard Levy, who simultaneously plays keyboards, harmonica and tin whistle; Victor (I always blank on his last name!) on electric bass, and Futureman on Synthax Drumitar (I think he's Victor's brother). The Drumitar is Futureman's own invention: a contraption shaped like a guitar, covered with miniature drum pads which he taps with his fingers, and he can make every conceivable percussion sound- it was hard to believe there wasn't a percussion section hiding in back of the equipment somewhere in back of the stage. Each musician is a true virtuoso of his instrument (s). I've always HATED the banjo, but when Bela plays it it sounds like an entirely new instrument. And Victor was simply the most incredible bassist I've ever seen or heard. He strums it, and plays it like a guitar- at one point he did a solo, and it was a duet with himself. He sounded like he was playing electric guitar with bass accompaniment, all on one instrument. Watching him was half the fun- you couldn't see his fingers most of the time, they were flying by so fast. They've been playing together for a long time, and it shows. The last piece was an improv duel between first Howard and Futureman, then Bela and Victor- it was unreal. And the encore was a piece that featured Victor and his bass, after which Bela had to come back onstage to play something folky on his acoustic banjo to calm us down enough to go home. My recommendation: even if you're not into the jazz thang (I am certainly not), if you hear the Flecktones are coming to your area, go. They're a lot of fun, and superb musicians- as much fun to watch as they are to listen to. Meredith Tarr meth@aol.com ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 08:51:38 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing Henry Kilmer a very Happy Birthday on December 11th. Have a great day. Peace, Terry =============================================================================== _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' YYUR - YYUB - ICURYY4ME ================================================================================ ======================================================================== From: dookeyhead Subject: Ingenue? Ectoporpoise? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 8:30:54 EST > From: Mike Mendelson > Subject: Ingenue? Ectoporpoise? > Actually, what comes to my mind is k d lang's latest Ingenue. Which is a *wonderful* album and I'm surprised it hasn't shown up in people's favorites list thus far. I saw kd in concert 3 times this year and was completely amazed with her overwhelming stage presence and performance at each show. If you think she can sing well in recorded form, just go see her live. She reduced me to a quivering mass...but, I digress... > This is certainly not a common word (in English :-) and most > people are troubled to pronounce it (it usually comes > out "on-je-noo" as opposed to "a-ge-nu:"). Well, I have ordered INGENUE for my personalized license plate and am anxious to hear the questions and comments. So "ingenue" is pronounced "a-ge-nu" and not "on-je-noo", huh? Ya learn something new every day. special K ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 13:09:55 EST From: Chris Sampson Hello all you ectophiles, you, I've been out of the reading thing, what with work and all the attendant lame excuses, so forgive my non-sequitir-ness and possibly out-of-tuneness regarding recent developments (or not). [Confused yet?] Hang on.... This question goes out to Ms. Meredith Tarr [who gave me the EcTo Mailing list address when I called the Wesleyan Station back in March of 1992.......] Meredith, you there? I was wondering if you would happen to know the whereabouts of one Cathy Kreger....not so much geographically (probably on Long Island, where I used to see her play every Thursday night at Canterbury Ales), but rather musically. I am now listening to Grand Central Waltz. DO YOU KNOW OF WHOM I SPEAK? She used to play frequently at or near Wesleyan...... Has she put out any other CDs???? Chris (aka Chris O->) as per Martin's list.......:):):) Seen on a recent pin-back button: "My karma ran over your dogma" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 18:45:48 CST From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) Subject: hi!! Hello from Japan!! I am TELENTing from Tokyo to my computer in Dallas. They have some cool music stores here - very good selections. I have found stuff I could never locate in the US, such as Throbbing Gristle's "20 Jazz Funk Greats". Also saw many alternative versions, such as Sinead's "The Lion and the Cobra" with a different picture on the cover, Suzzane Vega's "99 Deg F" with a booklet. Christmas is big here - all the stores are playing Christmas music these days. I walked into a department store the other day and they were playing Kate Bush's "December will be magic again"!! Amazing. Later, - Vishal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:32:08 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Happy's new one Angelos writes: > Title: Equipoise. Nice one. From webster-on-line: > 1. equi.poise \'ek-w*-.po.iz, 'e--kw*-\ n 1: a state of equilibrium 2: > COUNTERBALANCE Reminds me to thank Jeff for his definition. I didn't like it until I heard the definition, now I think it's wonderful. > her titles. She has a fondness for one word titles, it seems. Thank goodness! I hate long and hard-to-remember titles. One word titles are classy. > Cover: Hmmm. If it's going to be released in February, the artwork and stuff > should be pretty much ready by now, judging from the re-release of the 1st4. > So, I guess all we can do is ask Happy. I would like a photo cover with > inside art work, or a painted over photo cover. If it's Happy holding a > scale, I will scream... If it's a monster holding a scale, then it would be > OK with me... :) > > Enough speculation. Any other ideas? Any insight? [hint for Vickie :) ] I haven't a clue, sorry. Thanks for asking though. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:35:36 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Happy's new one Jeff writes: > On an unrelated note, anybody seen the new commercial for the VW...Passat, > I think. It features, quite prominently, Clannad's "Theme from Harry's > Game." I'm not sure if this is due to renewed interest from _Patriot Games_'s > use of the song on the soundtrack, but it's quite pleasant. Certainly a > better usage than "Orinoco Flow" in that Crystal Light commercial. Clannad > is actually foreground for a good chunk of the commercial. Jevetta Steele's "Calling You" is now being used in an AT&T commercial. I should have expected it. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 1:35:24 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Today's your birthday friend... HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Hank Kilmer!! Vickie ======================================================================== From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 1:55:01 EST My son Adrian saw 10,000 Maniacs in Kansas City last week and sent me this review. He'd never seen them before. I missed them when they were here :-(. ................. Natalie came out to dance with the wallflowers for one of thier songs and they played for about an hour. 10,000 Maniacs came out at about 9:00 and opened with "These are Days" and then they played some older stuff. I haven't heard the new album but i assume that most of the songs were played, they also played a lot of stuff from "In My Tribe" and "Blind Man's Zoo". They also played a Morrisey tune from his "Viva Hate" album, I don't know what song it was but I know that's what it was from. Natalie was in pretty good form. She told us that the dress she was wearing was a like 1950s test that she had bought earlier in the day in Kansas City. She had a pretty good interaction with the audience. Someone yelled out Tiny Dancer referring to her and she thought that was funny. She let some people in the front row sing the parts of Michael Stipe in the songs they played which he backed on the albums. And she also got the guitar and did some sort of musical tangent. Overall I thought it was a really good concert. It was *very* loud. I haven't been to many concerts but this was the loudest I've been to. Natalie told us that the last time they came to Kansas City and played Memorial Hall that they were opening for R.E.M. Well, that's about all I can think to write for now. Adrian .......... Btw, that what Natalie said, s'not true. Chris and I saw 10M's In My Tribe tour at Memorial Hall. Apparently she doesn't remember stopping halfway through "Verdi Cries" and complaining that people were talking, staring distainfully at the general direction of the offenders, and starting the song again from the beginning. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 2:04:29 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Permit me, please, to introduce myself Hey Alan, I realized I hadn't said this... Welcome! Thanks for the post (I *love* Happy stories) and congratulations on the house. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 2:30:08 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Top Ten Points on Dracula True to form, I once again forgo lightning-fast computer time, in favor of Slower-Than-Mud Vickie Time when answering posts... Ronald, this was *great*! Thanks! (Do you have one of these great lists for _Brazil_?) A+ > hasn't caught it either, but it comes closer. BTW, isn't it interesting > that _Dracula_ and _Frankenstein_ are both epistolary novels? I think > there might be a point there to be drawn out. Sorry, what's epistolary? (I have read both novels, but it's been years. I always preferred _Dracula_.) > I realize this comes a bit after the Dracula argument of last week, but > I was in the midst of that _JFK_ paper back then and wasn't able to write > anything nonacademic until now. I may tend to overanalyze-- it's my field-- > but I try to have a fun, gutlevel time at the movies along with the critical > response, and BSD did offer that in spades. Any comments? No, except that I enjoyed it and I'd love to see more of these. Do you have a lot of these? What are your favorite films and directors? Vickie ======================================================================== From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ronald Hogan) Subject: Dracula and other reviews Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:56:59 PST Vickie writes (after a gratefully received compliment): > (Do you have one of these great lists for _Brazil_?) Not yet. I may do one somewhere down the line-- see below. > Sorry, what's epistolary? (I have read both novels, but it's been years. > I always preferred _Dracula_.) It means that they're both written in the form of a collection of letters-- the usual 'great literature' example is _Les_Liasons_Dangereuses_. >>Any comments? > No, except that I enjoyed it and I'd love to see more of these. Do you > have a lot of these? What are your favorite films and directors? I've just started doing these ten-step reviews as a way to break into rec.arts.movies.reviews. I wanted a format that would stand out from the usual reviews that get posted there, and would make them seem like outlines for analytical papers rather than thumb up/down reviews. The revised version of the Dracula review and a new review of X should be available on r.a.m.r. I guess I'm opening the ecto floor to the question: would you mind if these reviews were cross-mailed to ecto as well? E-mail me over the next few days and I'll gauge the response, then decide what to do with following reviews-- of which I plan to have a lot after the holiday break. As for favorite films and directors, I'll limit myself to directors, since they tend to have made my favorite films: Peter Greenaway, Preston Sturges, Spike Lee, Woody Allen, Gus van Sant Orson Welles, Vincente Minnelli, Francois Truffaut, Ken Branagh That's in no particular order, and just off the top of my head. I could conceivably go on for hours (Kubrick-- how did I forget to put in Kubrick?) Vickie, thanks very much for the kind words. Ron (who is on the verge of contacting his sys admin to get his name header changed from Ronald to Ron, so don't be too surprised when it happens) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 08:47:37 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a Very Happy Birthday to "Shelby" on December 13th. Have a great day Peace Terry =============================================================================== _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' YYUR - YYUB - ICURYY4ME ================================================================================ ======================================================================== Date: 11 Dec 92 11:42:13 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: kumbaya It's not often you get great things happening when you are driving to work in the morning. There is one particular stretch of road in Riverwoods called Portwine Road that is sandwiched by forest with some well-spread out houses and paths and the odd wood pile and cop. Today, after the 5 in. of snow we had 2 days ago, the skies were clear at 8 a.m., the trees, free from the weight of their leaves, soaking in the morning light, a radiating glow-ball low on the horizon. As I drove down this, my favorite stretch, I observed the 30 m.p.h. speed limit, as has become my habit, by travelling under 40 m.p.h., though my inclination is always to go faster. But today, there was no urge to rush. Suddenly, a deer. I slowed down some more. "Kumbaya," chimed Victoria, "Kumbaya." Just as suddenly, another deer. Following closely behind, but just far enough away to take me aback a second time. Ahh, yes. It was one of those truly great momemts. I woke up today humming Eery Song. So I played the whole album. I am growing more and more fond of Pamela Golden. Victoria Williams has one of the oddest squeaks I've heard. But I actually like the album more than I thought I would. I picked it up for 4 dollars and it's really pretty good. Kumbaya. -mjm ======================================================================== Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 07:22:59 GMT i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ***** Henry Kilmer **** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Henry Kilmer Wed December 11 1968 CallMeHank Shelby Sun December 13 1970 Roscoe the Frog Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Karl Dotzek Sat December 30 1961 Capricorn Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 1 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 3 1967 Capricorn Euan Robertson (Xolf)Wed January 3 1973 LordOfTheNeverKnown Greg Bossert Tue January 9 1962 OfTheTimes -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.w.open.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:32:28 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: SF Net Hello everybody, I know, here was a discussion in this group on computer communication some time ago, but I just came across an article in our local news-paper. They wrote about a public computer net in San Francisco, called 'SF net'. A year ago they installed several public terminals in cafes. All you need to do is to put a coin into the slot and then type your message in. I don't know if you really can talk or just send mail but most of the users (nearly 600) are enthused. They interviewed a pauper who said this was the only forum where he could talk unprejudiced, what means, people are judging by what he says and not by what he is. And this gives him the feeling of being accepted. But isn't there a danger of self-denial? If someone asked him "Hey, you're a nice guy, I want to meet you. Give me your address", will he tell the truth, that he has no home? Or will he answer "Hmmm, that's inconvenient, I'm just redecorating"? It's a strange idea: entering a cafe, ordering a coffee and then take a seat in front of a terminal. I would prefer a real conversation with a real person. Re: Ecto-digest 380: Uli said: > only thing I could say to that was that she is right, and > that in my humble opinion most (non-opera) male singers > can't sing at all or don't have a pleasant voice. Take Hey, you can't say that. There are lots of brilliant male singers: David Sylvian, William Topley (The Blessing), all of Toto's ex-singers, Andrew Strong (Committments), Mick Hucknall (Simply Red), just to mention a few. I don't care if the voice is male or female, the music is most important for me. I prefer instrumental music to a capella music (that's why I don't like Tori's Me And A Gun very much - it's a great voice and a catchy melody but I miss the instruments). > like them less, but not not at all. On the other hand, > Happy's music is better for general use, Loreena is only > recommended if you are in a special mood or if you are > willing to enter that special mood). BTW: Why are there I think Happy's music isn't proper for general use. It is music to concentrate on and too good to be played in the background. Klaus supposed: > If I only knew how to pronounce that. :) > My guess is 'poise' like 'pause'. Right? My dictionary says ('ekwipoiz) with an oi like in poison. I would prefer the French pronounciation (ekipo'az) :) Angelos: > My first reaction when I read Martin's post, was 'sounds like a Jean Michel > Jarre title, to me', then I thought that probably Mitch had something to Me, too: Equinoxe, of course, J-MJ's second album. > So, I guess all we can do is ask Happy. I would like a photo cover with > inside art work, or a painted over photo cover. If it's Happy holding a I would prefer a painted cover with inside photos. If an artist has so much talent he/she should present his/her work. But I don't want more monsters. Jeff: >>But then, it brings a new level of sophistication to >>her titles. She has a fondness for one word titles, it seems. > >Kind of like Peter Gabriel, but with more syllables...;-) PG, the master of simplicity. Four albums without any title, a live album simply called 'Plays Live', and two further albums SO and US. Straight! > Maybe that way she'd pick up spontaneous purchases from Metallica fans? Don't forget that many Metallica fans like Kate Bush - and not because of her covers. Mitch: > Firstfive :-) ) reminds me that years ago, Woody Allen made a movie which > he was going to call "Anhedonia" (shrinkspeak for the inability to feel > pleasure ah there, Eugen Bleuler :-)Y), until the studio concluded that > such title was too inaccessable for the mass market, and changed it. The > picture went on to fame and fortune under the name of Annie Hall. But they concluded the title "Arachnophobia" (dread of spiders) to be accessible enough for the mass market and didn't change it. :) > By way of reassuring everyone that I don't have all the answers: Who's Jean > Michel Jarre, anyway? You're joking ;). He's one of the most popular (but not one of the best) synthesists (from France). His first album Oxygene was a milestone of electronic music in 1976 (and still today). And he gave one of the most spectacular open air concerts in Houston in 1986, where he used the sky- scrapers as big screens for video and laser projections. But his latest works were meaningless and uninspired IMO. Enough for today. Dirk Happy birthday to Henry Kilmer, have a nice day. _________ dkastens@ | The closer one looks at a 'real-word' problem, dosuni1.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE | the fuzzier becomes its solution. -- Zadeh ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)