Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #379 ecto, Number 379 Monday, 7 December 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* i hate writing user manuals Re: i hate writing user manuals Top Ten Points on Dracula welcomes, bdayFIRST Today's your birthday friend...(still) Laurie Geltman info Today's your birthday friend.... Email addresses? Tape dubbing status ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 04 Dec 92 14:55:12 EST From: woj Subject: i hate writing user manuals so i'll reply to today's ecto digest instead. Neile Graham sez: >I read a review of Ingrid Karklins _A Darker Passion_ in _Options_ >magazine and they made it sound interesting enough that a friend bought it >unheard. He brought it over last night for us to have a quick listen. >First response: I'm ordering it today. i ordered it already just on the strength of the album cover and the writeup in the green linnet catalog that i alluded to. i'm very glad to hear that this probably won't be a wasted purchase! >For those folk in a mellow mood, I'd highly recommend Mae Moore's >_Bohemia_, which we picked up last weekend in Victoria (Canada). did i ask about her before here? if not, i should have. a friend gave me a tape of canadian artists a few weeks ago and knowing my penchant for female performers, the tape begins with four songs by mae moore including the title track tot _bohemia_ which is just plain wonderful. i would com- pare her more to wendy maharry (especially on her second album) and jill sobule than suzanne vega - nice easy pop songs with a slight folky flair. her voice is very smooth and contemplative; like she is singing her thoughts. _bohemia_ is also on my to-get list right now. mae moore also has a previous labum, but i've forgotten the title. it's more folky than this latest one though. >Oh, and at the A&B Sound sales we also completed our cd collection of >Patti Smith very inexpensively that reminds me: the early soiuxsie and the banshees albums have been re-released as mid-range releases. noteworthy music has them for $9.21 apiece. another bunch of stuff on the to-get list...sigh. >No more Martha & The Muffins. No used Dalbello around either. :( huh? didn't they just release a new album called _lullabye_? did they break up again or did you just mean that there were no more copies left? also, i've heard you mention dalbello before, but i must have missed a description of the music. care to do so again for my sake? thanks... :) Angelos Kyrlidis sez: >REM-Automatic for the people (You might think that bands in the '60s did >that stuff before, but the chemistry in REM is different. They take songs >that are simple and add magic to them) of late, rem has advanced far beyond the 60s retrorock that they did when they began their career (well, not quite retro, but certainly not "pro- gressive"). i suppose that one could say that a4tp has something in com- mon with the earlier byrds and flying burrito brothers folk-rock thang, but i think that's strecthing it a bit. rem left the '60s style jangle rock behind three albusm ago on _document_. i do agree that this is a good album. certianly better than _out of time_ and a very nice mature album at that. >Arson Garden-Wisteria (Sonic beauty in its best. Haunting rhythms, and April's >vocals combined with somewhat esoteric lyrics make for a great album. I can't >believe MTV hasn't discovered them yet. They have all it takes to be the >next Nirvana) wow. that's a thought i never ahd and one that i would have to think about more before agreeing with. i thought that _wisteria_ was a little less ex- citing that _under towers_. maybe i've just not listened to it enough, but then it hasn't gut-wrenched me on any of the ones that i have given it. _under towers_, on the other hand, gut-wrenched me on the first go-through. >Suzanne Vega-99.9 Fo (a gutsy move that alienated her folkie following but >for me is great! Her melodies and intriguing mystical lyrics combined with >a rough edge-which could be rougher-make for a great combination) only a few songs are "gutsy moves," and even then, they are not all that weird for her considering the moves she made on some of the songs on the last album. in many ways, i thought that this album was a turn back to- wards the simple acoustic sensibility of the first album more than a move into uncharted musical territories. (apologies to angelos - i always seem to pick on his reviews of album! it's not personal! :) Michael G Peskura sez: >I see from the latest FAQ that the ecto-Ma PO Box is now fully operational. >Hmm, let's see what i can send Ms Vickie ... dang! i just remembered who i intended to submit to vickie for the hgp: amy denio. when i made up the tape, i couldn't remember who and i ended up settling on tel basta. oh well...michael, how about putting "cia" or "dishwasher" on the hbp? :) which reminds me once again: there is an album by a some-time band of amy's called the entropics. on said album (_spagga!_), there is yet another version of "cia" - this time called "fbi". another deniac friend of mine thinks that that this song must be her "whipping post." ;) enough for now. friday afternoon, a few more pages of manual to write and one more bitmap to create...then i'm outta here (soon as i find a ride home). woj ======================================================================== Subject: Re: i hate writing user manuals Date: Fri, 04 Dec 92 17:16:42 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Woj dissects my mini-reviews, and has the *nerve* to write: >(apologies to angelos - i always seem to pick on his reviews of album! >it's not personal! :) :) :) Reviews serve the purpose to stir discussion. Therefore, your picking on my reviews is actually helpful, because you present a different viewpoint on the same album that has eluded me, and thereby investigate a different aspect of it. I enjoy that, so no apologies are necessary. And most important we (ectophiles) don't have to *agree* on everything, right? In particular re: Suzanne's album: >only a few songs are "gutsy moves," and even then, they are not all that >weird for her considering the moves she made on some of the songs on the >last album. in many ways, i thought that this album was a turn back to- >wards the simple acoustic sensibility of the first album more than a >move into uncharted musical territories. For me the last album didn't work, while this one does. Actually the "gutsy" was intended to complement the alienating of her loyal following. There is a review of 99.9F in the folk section of PULSE! which makes the album sound like trash, because of the technology used. I think that attitude is wrong and doesn't promote growth. I mean there are limits to what you can do with an acoustic guitar, while the little expanding that Suzanne has played with has already helped her creatively. Angelos +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ ======================================================================== From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ronald Hogan) Subject: Top Ten Points on Dracula Date: Sat, 5 Dec 92 3:32:33 PST 10) The theme of the inversion of the Crusades was reasonably well handled, but Dracula's last words (or those phrases that were among his last words and which come from an *extremely* well-known source) were heavy-handed, to say the least. 9) Like everything by Coppola, the visuals were astounding, though the narrative tended to lose it from time to time. 8) Still, no other version has caught the multiple perspective technique that Bram Stoker did so well in the original novel. Actually, this one hasn't caught it either, but it comes closer. BTW, isn't it interesting that _Dracula_ and _Frankenstein_ are both epistolary novels? I think there might be a point there to be drawn out. 7) Part of that point may be linked to the birth of modernism, which is tied to the Romantic movement. And which Coppola plays up throughout the film. Note all those references to typewriters, phonographs, and cinema. Not to mention the sheer textuality of the film, and the maps... I dare say it's not too much of a stretch to suggest that _Prospero's_Books_ has some points/themes that end up in what I'll refer to from this point on as BSD. Though this film is certainly more mainstream oriented than Greenaway. 6) Talk with a friend of mine, who's also in the film critical studies graduate program, led to the conclusion that BSD probably has a lot in it that somebody who has read more Michel Foucault than I have would find interesting. A tentative bibliography would include Madness and Civilization, Discipline and Punish, A History of Sexuality, and The Archaeology of Knowledge. For starters. I'm not quite ready to tackle it on this deep a level yet. Maybe after the video release. 5) Maybe it's just that I was writing a paper on _JFK_ at the time, but it was very difficult for me to see Gary Oldman, especially as 'Young Drac', and not be reminded of Lee Harvey Oswald. Especially since Oldman's Oswald was a slight disappointment to me in that when Oldman plays a historically real figure, he generally manages to get past that person's cultural image and recapture some of the real humanity. He even managed to pull this off in BSD, though he was burdened by some vampire cliches. But I don't think he has a chance to do this in Oswald, because Oliver Stone had other concerns. It almost makes me wish they had made the film of Don Delillo's _Libra_, a book which did recuperate some of Oswald's humanity, and which was set to star John Malkovich. To get back to the main point, Oldman's performance was, I think, the best major role. Tom Waits was brilliant, but the film didn't allow him to be on long enough to flesh out his character as much as I would have liked. 4) Getting back to this Foucault thing-- and what little I have read of him. The defeat of Dracula seems really bound up with the control of sex. Something that is referred to in Van Helsing's school speech (reduction of sex to the clinical) and in the illustrations to the Arabian Nights (sex as the subject of 'academic' categorization). It's penny psychology to say vampires=sex, esp. after Anne Rice, but it's still a valid point. 3) The neighbor I went with to see the film, who is a history major who specializes in film, draws a parallel between BSD and _APocalypse_Now_. Dracula is Kurtz, and Van Helsing seems to be Kilgore (the Duvall role). The best counterpart he had for Martin Sheen's Williard was a combo of Mina and Jonathan Harker. 2) As long as we're comparing Coppola to Coppola: the Harker wedding and the episode which is countercut with it (I'm trying not to drop a spoiler) compared to the baptism sequence in the original Godfather. 1) All in all, I liked BSD. I've got a feeling it's a bit overblown in spots, especailly the music, but it looks beautiful, the sound (especially in a THX equipped theater-- you haven't heard Diamanda Galas until you've heard her in THX) is some of the best I've heard, and it has some good points, which it occasionally botches, but hey, at least somebody's trying. I realize this comes a bit after the Dracula argument of last week, but I was in the midst of that _JFK_ paper back then and wasn't able to write anything nonacademic until now. I may tend to overanalyze-- it's my field-- but I try to have a fun, gutlevel time at the movies along with the critical response, and BSD did offer that in spades. Any comments? Ron Hogan rhogan@usc.edu ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1992 16:11:43 -0230 From: eperry@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: welcomes, bdayFIRST Hello everyone and welcome to new Ectophiles! Happy Birthday Chip! I have to second Neile's comments on Mae Moore. I have two of her's and I prefer _Bohemia_ to the earlier one (_Oceanview Motel_). I have to agree with Klaus on Bel Canto, though, _Shimmering, Warm and Bright_ is now my favourite. Alan, your sign off is great! Beth ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 6 Dec 92 0:49:40 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Today's your birthday friend...(still) Ok, not everywhere in the world, but here in good old Chicago, it's 11:47pm and... HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Chip Lueck!!! (This is the first time I've logged on today, sorry it's late) Vickie ======================================================================== Subject: Laurie Geltman info Date: Sun, 06 Dec 92 18:13:04 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, Well I was browsing through the Boston Tower today, (in search of something I didn't find :( ), but was surprised by finding something I talked about last week. I got the tape 'Departure' by Laurie Geltman. This is a wonderful collection of 9 songs written between 1986 and 1991, and features Laurie plus a large number of session musicians. I would describe her music as a cross between Suzanne Vega and Melissa Etheridge with lots of violin thrown in the blend. Very good music out of Allston, MA. For info: Rosebloom Productions P. O. Box 347 Allston, MA 02134 Angelos ======================================================================== Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... 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Thanks! _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.w.open.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Dec 92 00:42:30 -0500 From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Barry Wong) Subject: Email addresses? I was wondering, does anyone have a complete list of all the ectophiles email address's? Any assistance would be greatly appreaciated, I've already checked fthe archives for such a list. Barry ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Email addresses? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 92 10:18:47 BST On Mon, 7 Dec 92 at 00:42:30 -0500 barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Barry Wong) wrote: > I was wondering, does anyone have a complete list of all the ectophiles > email address's? Any assistance would be greatly appreaciated, I've already > checked fthe archives for such a list. The canonical list is Jessica's mailing list. You already know how to send to that :-) If you want to Email individual Ectophiles then you'll either have to reply to a message of theirs in Ecto or (for those who have chosen to release the information) use Martin's EctoFile posting (recently re-issued). Please respect the right of any lurkers on the list not to receive unsolicited personal Email. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Dec 92 07:51:22 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Tape dubbing status Greetings, Here is the current up-to-date status of the tape dubbing project. Though there has been a lot of talk about new tapes being added, I have yet to see any of them. If I do, I will announce that fact. So far, the following have been mentioned as possible additions: Happy Rhodes Live! 21 March 1992 Philadelphia PA Celtic/Canadian artist sampler Femme Music Collection (re-mastered) Happy interviews and other stuff Happy Birthday Project 1992 Happy Gift Project 1992 If I'm wrong, please correct me! The format of the chart is the same as last time. The first column holds everyone's names in alphabetic order. The second column holds the available tapes and status for each person. (The key to the symbols follows the table). The last column holds your current tape account balance. As just a quick look at the chart shows that I have no orders outstanding, so if you want some tapes, now is the time to act! 123456789ABCDEF alaska.bitnet MMMMMMM...MM... US$ 9.07 Tracy Barber M.........MM... 2.48 Tamar Boursalian ..............M 3.00 Jens Brage MMMMMMMMMMMM... 17.50 Tim Breitkreutz MMMMMMMMMMMM... 4.39 Shelly Brewer .MMMMMM.....MM. 8.52 Bob Brown MMMMMMM...MMMM. 20.11 Richard Chen MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 17.01 Jessica Dembski MMMMMMM...MM... 0.00 Ken Descoteaux MMMMMMM...MM... 0.68 Karl Dotzek M........MMM... 19.77 Martin Dougiamas MMMMMMM...MM... 5.11 Steve Fagg MMMMMMM...MMMM. 36.00 Neile Graham MMMMMMM...MM... 11.10 Klaus Kluge .MMMMMM.....MM. 9.79 Bob Kollmeyer MMMMMMM...MM... 12.30 Vickie Mapes ..........MM... 0.00 Mike Mendelson MMMMMMMMMMMM... 14.75 Beth Perry MMMMMMM...MMMM. 7.65 Michael Peskura MMMMMMM.....MM. 5.07 Albert Philipsen MMMMMMM........ 14.45 Steve Potter MMMMMMM..M..... 8.72 John Relph ..........MM... 0.00 Mark Semich .MMMMMM........ 11.49 Al Sodoma MM.....MM.MM... -0.22 Rob Woiccak MMMMMMM...MM... 3.10 Barry Wong MMMMMMM...MM... 1.11 Perttu Yli-Krekola MMMMMMMMM.MM... 0.52 Q -- tape has been requested R -- tape has been recorded M -- tape has been mailed 1 World Cafe interview and miscellaneous Happy 2 Femme Music Collection I: Lushy pop 3 Femme Music Collection II: Mish Smash 4 Femme Music Collection III: Voices 5 Femme Music Collection IV: International Sampler 6 Femme Music Collection V: Easy, does it? 7 Femme Music Collection VI 8 1991 Happy Gift Project I 9 1991 Happy Gift Project II A Ecto Suspended in Gaffa B Happy Rhodes Live! Albany NY 18 Mar 1992 I C Happy Rhodes Live! Albany NY 18 Mar 1992 II D The Last Champange Jam I E The Last Champange Jam II F The (Un)official Happy Sampler If you have any questions, problems, or corrections, feel free to e-mail me! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! e will be the same. * Send me the cassettes you want to put the music on (C-90 or C-100) along with money to cover packaging and return postage. I will copy the tapes you request and return them. Consider opening an account, as it will save you having to mail an order, let alone the cassettes. * How much will it cost? If you use my stash of cassettes, the cost for the cassettes is $1.12 each. The packaging for mailing the cassettes is between $0.34 and $0.66 depending on the number of tapes mailed. The postage varies depending on the number of tapes and the destination. So far, it has ranged between $0.96 and $16.70. Big help, eh? If you wish a more precise estimate for your postage cost, I can give you one via e-mail. US orders will be mailed book rate, taking five to seven days. Non-US orders will be air mailed, taking about seven to ten days. As for foreign payments, so far everyone has sent either American cash or a money order denominated in US currency. I believe that I can handle anything denominated in US currency, and probably any cashier's check (a check drawn on the bank's rather than a personal account). * Where do I send the order? To me. My mailing address: Doug Burks, 2036 West Plum Street C7, Fort Collins CO 80521 USA Orders will be processed in the order I get them, with special dispensation for foreign orders. Please note that I will not process any e-mail orders unless you have an open cassette account. * Anything else I should know? Just a few odds and ends: If I make any mistakes, I will replace the tape for free. I intend to post a progress report on the dubbing operation regularly. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)