29-Dec-91 21:23:57-GMT,14218;000000000401 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01260; Sun, 29 Dec 91 16:14:03 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21112; Sun, 29 Dec 91 16:14:01 EST Date: Sun, 29 Dec 91 16:14:01 EST Message-Id: <9112292114.AA21112@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #94 ecto, Number 94 Sunday, 29 December 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Ramblings this 'n that HGP Update HGP ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 27 Dec 91 18:09:14 CST From: steveve@ecs.comm.mot.com Subject: Ramblings Somebody asked what we'd all be doing on New Years; I might have been in a sweatlodge somewhere in Michigan but that was rescheduled for this Saturday night and I am committed to visit some friends of ours that own a four foot long African looking drum. So New Years is open to the muses I guess. My best New Years Eve's have been when I made something that I'd remember for a long time, like a chair seat I wove out of a single ripped up bedsheet. Vickie said I'd be reporting on Warpaint and Ecto now that I've heard them. I've been waiting for my feelings to clarify, but maybe they won't. The songs I liked instantly are 'pretty' to me musically, and I love rich melodies or so I think. I'm being careful with the lyrics though since Vickie and the songs themselves lead me to a sense of integrity and directness in them. What complicates my appreciation is that these appear to be emotional works, and I feel that my hearing of them is putting me into a relationship with this performer I have not been introduced to. Lest anyone misunderstand I am not talking about Happy herself but the fake Happy in my mind, made up of my observations. Now one interesting thing here is that I try to guard against relating to people in this sort of fake way, and try to keep open a sense of wonder and willingness-to-be-surprised regarding such another person, but in this case, well, I have the tapes. I have a card (aargh! and what a card! taped above my computer it is...) and lyrics (thank you all who made them available!). What am I saying? Well, my dreams are dreaming but keeping their counsel. I keep listening to these melodies, these songs, these statements, and wondering. I'm getting surprised by little things now, nuances maybe. Songs that speak of distress are hard on me I think, but I am not complaining, or yes I am complaining a little. I know better than to try to fix people and I can't do anything about some of the problems she sings of. But I am such a problem-stealer that it is tough to let other people fix their own maybe. My problem. Can I say anything else? Yes. "Waking Up" matches very clearly my own feelings as far as I can tell, and I like it partly for that. "Lay Me Down" is very foreign, very foreign to my mind but I like it for it's beauty and mythical truth I think. In one of my recent visions I saw a dead Druid named Lovernius in state lying in a coffin, and I wanted to kiss him and was sure he'd wake up (to fulfil certain prophecies I am sure...) Hmmm... I'll quote Ludwig Wittgenstein: "Was ist, ist compleziert!" Sorry for the length of this. steveve needing more sleep or dreams or something.... ======================================================================== Subject: this 'n that Date: Fri, 27 Dec 91 20:35:57 -0500 From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu a) Yes, Greg, it probably was me who responded about Arson Garden on Gaffa a year or so ago; I remember the topic coming up once or twice over a few year period... I absolutely love _Under Towers_, and I've seen the band a number of times. The most interesting was when parts of the band opened for Shawn Colvin...it was April on vocals, James Comb on acoustic guitar, Michael Mann on acoustic guitar (and occasionally a couple of hand-held drums), and a guest musician on violin. I don't know if they'll ever perform like that again, but I'd love to see it! b) Martin mentioned a religious-esque experience associated with listening to ...um...was it _Ecto_? It was one of the 1st4 whilst watching a sunset. I'm not a terribly religious person, and have no formal beliefs...quite definitley the agnostic sort. I _have_ had, though, what are probably best classed as religious experiences, and they seem to almost always relate to music (and when it's not music, it's kiting, but that's for another newsgroup...;-). Probably the most memorable such experience was in '88 when I saw Floyd for the second time on their MLoR tour. Another thing that might be classed as an almost religious ritual is my habit of walking along the beach listening to HoL, which I've mentioned here and in gaffa before. I find myself wondering if anybody else tends to associate this sort of thing with music. Recently, Meredith and others were talking about people who just don't "get the music" the way all of us in Ecto obviously do. I feel that my life has a very definite soundtrack, and I don't like to have the volume muted. I can't imagine life any other way. (for that reason, I always figured that if I had to lose one of the two, I'd rather be blind than deaf (yes, there are blind kiters)). So how about it? Religious? Religiously musical? Thoughts? Comments? c) Vickie, why do you seem so certain that Happy wouldn't perform "Baby Don't Go"? As for greed and the shortness of my list, I typed in the first bunch that popped into my head and then stopped thinking. I figured that those first few I thought of would be the most important to me, and I knew that if I wasn't careful it'd be easy to come up with 20 or so songs... (for instance, I just realized that I left off "Crystal Orbs" and that's one of my all-time favorite songs. Shoot....I also left off "Project 499" which is another favorite. And while I'm here I should probably just say "Ecto side 2") See what I mean? d) Barry-- doing for the holidays? Well, xmas has come and gone and I sat around the house, sick, but still sewing kites. Oh dear, I seem to have come up with another hobby. As for New Years, well, my kite club is having a celebratory kite fly in our customary flying spot, just below the Washington Monument, on the First. It'll probably be rather, um, chilly, but it'll be a lot of fun. One of these days I'm going to bring a boom box out on the field with me and do some Happy-proseltyizing. She's relaxing music to fly to. Oh well. That's probably enough for me for now. I need to go make another kite. Jeff (whose cold is getting much better, thank you Vickie) |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Dec 91 05:05 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: HGP Update Vickie here. Well, I taped as much as I could of the HGP to see how things fit and how much time I'd have left for the songs I have yet to receive in the mail. Right now there is 15 minutes left on the tape. I'm still waiting for these three, which I suspect are lost at the Post Office: Claudia Spix Klaus Kluge Stephen Thomas Also: Terry Partis I never heard from you if you actually had a tape in the mail or not. I hate to say this, but it looks like you and: Jorn Barger Jeff Lueck David Lubkin Valerie Nozick will get bumped :-( :-( You folks were among the last to be added to the HGP. Mine was going to be the last song added, but I get bumped too, so don't feel bad. As it stands now, this is what the HGP contains... ************** HGP ************** HGP ************** HGP ************** Danielle Dax "Blue Christmas" (fuzzy BLUE mailing list, yeah?) from all x KaTe Bush, "December will be magic again" Martin Dougiamas x message Thomas Dolby "I Scare Myself" Steve Fagg message x June Tabor, "No Man's Land" Jeff Burka message x Carly Simon "Fisherman's Song" Gregory Bossert, Jessica Dembski x Jessica & Greg, "Moving" kIrI Hargie message x Nine Ways of Sunday, "Love and Money" Woj x Sonny Sharrock Band, "KaTe" (Wuthering Heights) Meredith Tarr message x New Group, "Wuthering Heights" ---------------- Side 2 ----------------- Courtney Dallas x "a SILLY Welsh love song" Doug Burks x Neil Innes, "How Sweet to Be an Idiot" Steve VanDevender message x Thomas Dolby, "Cloudburst at Shingle Street" Mitch Pravatiner message x Michael Flanders & Donald Swann, "A Happy Song" Perttu Yli-Krekola x Trio Bulgarka, "Mari Tudoro" Justin Bur message x Wim Mertens, "The Fosse" Angelos Kyrlidis x Eleftheria Arvanitaki, "Meno Ektos" Vishal Markandey x ???? Brian Bloom x This Mortal Coil, "Tarantula" --------------------------------------------------------- with, as I said, 15 minutes left for Claudia, Klaus and Stephen Thomas. Uh, Brian, I haven't actually received your tape either, but I had the song "Tarantula" on vinyl, so I went ahead and added it. If I get your tape along with the others in the next few days and you included a message (did you?) then I'll re-record it. Except for Woj and Meredith's selections, I didn't have the order planned before I started recording. I had all the tapes in a bag and I just reached in and whatever I pulled out got played next, so there's no rhyme or reason to the order of songs. Danielle's song is short, and it fit so well. I have to say (in case anyone asks) that I'm not willing to go back and re-record the entire thing just to delete it and gain an extra 4 minutes at the end of side one. Besides, it's such a fun song! If I don't get the tape from Claudia and Klaus within the next few days, I have a suggestion. I have a lovely (alternate) version of "Here Comes the Rain Again" by Annie Lennox that I could play. I don't have any Manfred Mann, but I do have the Ofra Haza song that was an early choice of yours, Klaus. All I need is you two's OK to go ahead with it. The only thing (unfortunately) missing is your message. Would you want to call and leave a message on the answering machine? Stephen Thomas is off the net for a few more days. I have the song he wanted to play (Scarlet by All About Eve) but he has a message on his tape too. HmmmDarn. I might just go ahead without it. Obviously this tape is not going to be a Christmas present :-) but I know it will be appreciated whenever it's received, which is why I'm willing to wait a few more days before finishing it. This whole HGP is a *great* idea and I'd like to make it a yearly tradition. Since this year saw a 100 minute tape be too short, next year I'll most likely ask for 2 100 minute tapes (from those who will want copies for themselves) and also we will start earlier. It's very much my fault that this didn't get done in time for Christmas. I kept spacing off giving Klaus feedback and he postponed posting the idea to Ecto while waiting for me to respond. Next year we should start discussing the idea in October, and start sending tapes in November. I should have all the tapes by December 1st, so I can finish it and get it in the mail to Happy by December 15th at the latest. For the first year, this went pretty well, but mailing tapes from all over world right before Christmas just was not such a good idea. One of the reasons I delayed Klaus was my seesawing back and forth in trying to decide if I actually wanted to take charge and put the whole thing together or not. In the end, I decided I wanted control of it. Well, I tell you, I had a fantastic time putting this together (and I even have more to look forward to!) and I think everyone who participated will have a great time listening to all these songs when (umerum, whenever) they get their tapes back. Those who didn't participate can most certainly get dubs but that's something to be discussed later. I was taping the HGP directly onto a cassette when my cassette player blew up! I have two cassette decks, a double play/record deck and a single play/ record deck. I was taping onto the single deck when it completely broke down at the end of side one. I ended up recording what I already had onto videotape, then recording side 2 directly onto that videotape. There will be a difference, hopefully not too noticeable, between side 1 and side 2. That's all the HGP news for now. Vickie ps, Vishal, what *is* that piece of music? ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Dec 91 10:55:22 CST From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) Subject: HGP Vickie asks about my contribution to the HGP. Sorry, I forgot to explain what it was!! It is the song "Amba" off the CD "The Mahabharata", the soundtrack for the movie by Peter Brook. It is a great CD!! Highly recommended for aficiandos of, hum, alternative music. Released on Peter Gabriel's "Realworld" label. - Vish PS: I got my Happy card too!! ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! Your "humble pseudo-moderator" -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)