19-Dec-91 17:32:08-GMT,20052;000000000401 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03415; Thu, 19 Dec 91 12:19:26 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06947; Thu, 19 Dec 91 12:19:23 EST Date: Thu, 19 Dec 91 12:19:23 EST Message-Id: <9112191719.AA06947@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #88 ecto, Number 88 Thursday, 19 December 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Disenrollment in ecto Inky Bloaters On Happyvangelism, or: We're building a church? On Being A Prophet Before One's Time Will the fourth time be the charm? (was:Will the third time be the cha Favorite Female Vocals 1991 Hellos, Goodbyes & Assorted Other Ramblings Stuff (tm) High/Low voice counterpoint ======================================================================== From: Kent Wooldridge Subject: Disenrollment in ecto Date: Wed, 18 Dec 91 10:37:43 PST Please disenroll me from ecto. I have been a gaffaa-lurker for a while, and trying to keep up with ecto as well is more than I can handle. I have only so much time. I am usually busy day-dreaming. Kent Wooldridge ======================================================================== Date: 18-DEC-1991 14:05:41.56 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Inky Bloaters Hi! Well, I think I survived finals. If not, I'm here, I'm Ecto, and Happy was right. :) Vickie, have you ever heard the whole _Inky Bloaters_ album? It's great. Besides that song, there's also "Where The Flies Are", which I put on during my show a while back not knowing what it was. It reached out, grabbed me, invaded my brain, and didn't go away for a week. I love songs like that. Klaus called me from Boston last night. It was nice to be able to attach a voice to the name! He mentioned getting together with Greg, and he was on Chapter 4 of _A Wrinkle In Time_, which, as I'm sure Jessica will also be glad to hear, he is enjoying immensely. :) Do any of you do the SF-Con circuit? If so, is anyone planning on going to Boskone in Springfield, MA President's Day weekend? We should have a get-together if that's the case... e-mail me, I'm off Ecto until January. I'm headed South for the holidays. To echo Vickie's sentiment, Merry whatever, and happy new year to all! May our lives be enriched by a Happy tour and new KaTe-album in '92. :) *---------------------------------------------------------* | Meredith Tarr | | *** | | "I want to be a scholar, but I really can't be bothered | | Ooh just gimme it quick, gimme gimme gimme"- Kate Bush | | *** | | mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu | *---------------------------------------------------------* ========================================================================= Date: 18 December 1991 15:49:46 CST From: Subject: Will the fourth time be the charm? (was:Will the third time be the cha Having finally found out what was causing the problem the first two times (the down arrow becomes another send key when the shift is depressed), I started to finish what I started, when I hit another wrong key and froze my terminal. The operator couldn't extricate me without everything typed in _de novo_ being lost . SO: All that you have received heretofore is now inoperative, and the hopefully complete text follows: ========================================================================= Date: 18 December 1991 15:13:38 CST From: To: Subject: On Being A Prophet Before One's Time The posting from me that went out a minute ago was inadvertently sent out through hitting the wrong key, long before I was even close to finishing it. It is therefore, as Haldeman and Ehrlichman used to say at the Watergate hearin gs (who besides me remembers them? :-) ), inoperative. The complete text follo ws below: ========================================================================= Date: 18 December 1991 14:28:58 CST From: To: Subject: On Happyvangelism, or: We're building a church? In the episode of _China Beach_ where McMurphy visits Dodger in Montana after the war, there is a bit of business where she arrives at his home (which is in a sylvan setting), to find him working on an old school bus. We ultimate ly learn that he will operate a ministry aimed at other Vietnam veterans out of the vehicle, complete with a cross on the roof. When McMurphy asks Dodger's young son what is going on, the boy replies, "He's building a church." In recognition of the theologic connotations that some people attach to Christmas, I had been meaning to write this essay for some time (not necessaril y even during the Christmas season, for the two are not inextricably linked). What finally gave mwe the impetus to do it today, rather than tomorrow or the next day, was the receipt of Meredith's posting, in which she observes: >Happyvangelism. It's not just an adventure, it's a calling. :) Anyway, it occurred to me at least a month or two ago that in a sense, we too are building a church, insofar as the Ecto world bears some apparent structural resemblances to such belief systems. Interestingly, it has as much in common with the polytheistic universes of Greco-Roman mythology as with the later, monotheistic religions of European origin. It seems to me that the seve ral motley crews of Zeus, Hera, Apollo, Moses, Jesus, Judas, and the rest may be mirrored in the Ectoist dogma somewhat as follows: SUPREME, ULTIMATE DEITY K A T E (and linked figures) |_ |_ |_Del SECOND-LEVEL DEITIES Happy Jane (and linked figures) |_ |_ |_Kevin THIRD-LEVEL DEITIES Lisa Laurie Mouth Music many others APOSTLES, PROPHETS, Vickie Jessica who'd I miss? VICARS-ON-EARTH, ETC. EVANGELISTS Meredith :-) PSEUDO-QUASI-TALMUDIC COMMENTATORS Me? INFIDELS Cynthia Richard Jon HOLY BOOK ecto (You get the general idea.) It also occurs to me that just as many real religions started throug h schsm from others, so did ecto start through schism from gaffa/love-hou nds. (It it too pretentious to speak of the Ecto Reformation?) Tune in tomorrow for something completely different, not for more half- finished versions of this. (I hope this gets out before Meredith skips town, or in the alternate, that it will still be in her incoming email when she returns. In the spirit of the epigraph in her .sig, I want to point out the relevance of the old scholar's adage that "when you steal from one source it's plagiarism, when you steal from many it's research." I myself am unsure whether I've just plagiarized or researched from her. :-) Mitch _______________________________ "Sidewalk and Pigeon/You look like a city/But you feel like religion/To me" --Laura Nyro, "New York Tendaberry" "I believe in the church of baseball" --Susan Sarandon in _Bull Durham_ "I guess I'm a pagan too." --Bryan Brown in _Breaker Morant_ ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 18 Dec 91 15:06 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Favorite Female Vocals 1991 Vickie here. I was going to post this in rec.music.misc, but our news feed went bye-o. I *HATE* "Best of" lists, because they only reflect the writer's own favorites. This is not a "best of" list. It's a "some of my favorites" list. So many good albums came out in the past year. I only got a tiny fraction of them (so much music, so little money!) but of the ones I did get, here are my favorites featuring female vocals. Happy's definitely #1, but after that they are in no particular order. I love them all. Happy Rhodes Warpaint Grace Darling Grace Darling Single Gun Theory Millions, Like Stars in my Hand... The Innocence Mission Umbrella Kirsty MacColl Electric Ladyland Lisa Germano On the Way Down from the Moon Palace Toni Childs House of Hope Sarah McLachlan Solace Moon Seven Times Moon Seven Times Texas Mother's Heaven Honorable mention (i.e. ONLY *10*???? AhhhhNoooo!) Mouth Music Mouth Music Various Nordisk Sang Laurie Freelove Smells Like Truth Siouxsie & the Banshees Superstition Sonya Hunter Favorite Short Stories Honorable mention Jr. (i.e. a bit uneven to me, but still recommended) The Banderas Ripe Sam Phillips Cruel Inventions Johanna's House of Glamour Farewell Street Brenda Khan Goldfish Don't Talk Back Throwing Muses The Real Ramona Edie Brickell & TNB Ghost of a Dog The Millions The Millions Heidi Berry Love Rickie Lee Jones Pop Pop Psychowelders Psychowelders EP note-some that would be on here, like Enya, Wendy MaHarry, DCD, Tribe and Stewart/Gaskin, I haven't got yet. I will, I will, I really, really will. There's probably a bunch I still need to get. *sigh* Misc. Songs: Kate Bush "Rocket Man" Kate Bush "Candle in the Wind" Virginia Astley "Second Chance" Jane Siberry & k.d. lang "Calling All Angels" Miranda Sex Garden "Gush Forth My Tears" (12" version) Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us ps, if Eleftheria's album came out in 1991 (Angelos?) then consider that added to the Honerable Mentions. ======================================================================== From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Hellos, Goodbyes & Assorted Other Ramblings Date: Thu, 19 Dec 91 3:32:58 CST Vickie here. Big FUZZY BLUE WELCOMES to Gray Abbot and Steve Veeneman (a long-lost gaffa lurker, Twin Peaks fan, Indian expert and all around nice guy!) What's your birthdays and addresses? Bye to Kent and the mysterious alaska.bitnet person. :-( I got more addresses added to the list. Chris Bone, John Relph, Geoff Carre, gail Wauford and Laura Clifford, you've all been added. David K., you mentioned you lived in Toronto, but didn't give your address. Strange, I didn't get Ecto #85 either. Even stranger, the "locations" list I posted was shorter in the Digest than what I actually posted and which appeared full-length in the loose mail. How odd. I'll have to re-post it when I get a few more addresses. The party is a no-go for the 28th of Dec. mainly because poor Kiri is having her wisdom teeth out the day before. :-( :-( :-( Possibly the next weekend, Kiri will let me know. Steve Fagg, Martin and Jeff Burka, I received your packages today. Everything looks fine. Today was a cool day for snail mail. Besides your packages, I got a video from Andy Marvick (IED) with Kate's infamous Japanese videos and Les Dogs, which we didn't have. For the clueless curious, Les Dogs is an episode of an English series called The Comic Strip, and Kate is in this episode. It's her first real acting job, not counting the video to "Cloud- busting" where she plays a little boy. Chris and I have one of the biggest Kate video collections in the world, yet we didn't have these things so we're pretty darn happy campers. Speaking of..., the other package I got was the WXPN interview and songs *finally* yay! Doug, you do a very good job of keeping your enthusiasm in check. I was fighting to keep from doing cartwheels down the aisle of the bus while listening to the tape! The songs are absolutely *****WONDERFUL!!!!!!****** and I had a grin on that must have looked totally goofy to everyone else on the bus, had they been paying attention to the likes of me. Now I can complete the Ecto Sig. I'm toying with the idea of taking the songs out of the interview and putting them elsewhere, and sticking the actual interview on the end. Anyone who wants to can restore the whole thing on another tape. The interview is pretty silly, though I agree with Doug that the BEST part is when Happy um,er,ums when talking about us. It's great! The songs are recorded at a much lower level than the interview. I actually had to fiddle with the volume everytime they switched between the two. I turned up the songs and the hiss was noticeable. It's worth putting up with, but I wanted to warn people in advance. Ooooohhh, these songs are so cool! Martin and David Blank-Edelman, I haven't talked to Kevin to be able to ask for details about his work on Sesame Street. I will, I promise. Meredith, I do have the album _Inky Bloaters_. All the songs from that album except "Born To Be Bad" are on the compilation _Dark Adapted Eye_. DAE is available domestically in the United States, but Inky Bloaters is an import. Mitch, your Diety chart was great! I'm proud to be an apostle for Happy. :-) Infidels..HA!HA! I mailed off a Pulse to H&K today. Maybe once they see the entire magazine, Kevin will send a Warpaint to them. I also mailed off extra cassette promo copies of the Innocence Mission and Sarah McLachlan, so Happy will finally get to hear what Sarah sounds like (since they're going to get compared... I should send a Warpaint to Sarah). Doug, my music budget is nil at this time. I haven't been inside a record store for months. I had it lucky when I worked at Rose Records because I got lots of promo copies. It really came in handy with the radio show. Now I don't have that perk anymore. I keep up with a lot of things through my friend Sue in Kansas City. She sends me things all the time, such as the Toni Childs and the Nordisk Sang and Heidi Berry. I feel a little guilty, but not much. First, I *need* things for my radio show. If I'm broke, I can't buy anything and getting them through Sue is better than not getting them at all. Second, if I really like something, I'll buy it on CD when I have the money. That's always my highest recommendation, if I'm willing to pay for something I already have and got for free. Sue is sending me a tape of Enya, but I know that once I have a job, I'll go buy the CD, so I just don't feel too guilty about it. Single Gun Theory is another recent example, I got a promo cassette (without artwork or credits) while still at Rose. I haven't yet bought it on CD but I intend to. It is so much fun to go record shopping, when I have money. Down in KC I would go on a spree every couple of months. I'd go to stores and start at the A section and work my way through to Z. By the time I was done I'd have 5-10 Lps and 3-5 CDs, generally. That's how I found A.C.Marias and Zebra Stripes (a veird, veird voman, sort of a cross between Morticia and Betty Boop) but I haven't been able to do that for a year and a half :-(. It is strange that I'd recommend lots of things that I didn't even buy myself, but, at least the spirit of consumerism is there, if not the actuality :-) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 19 Dec 91 10:02:19 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Stuff (tm) Greetings, Mitch wrote: It is therefore, as Haldeman and Ehrlichman used to say at the Watergate hearings (who besides me remembers them? :-) ), inoperative. I remember. What an odd family event it was, everyone curled up around the TV set hanging on every word, eighteen and a half minute gaps, "What did the president know and when did he know it", and John Dean's wife. An odd note is that you can find Haldeman and Ehrlichman's names on a plaque on Pauley Pavilion at Ucla. They were members of the student government when it was built. Few of today's students would even recognize them. "Those were the days my friends/We thought they'd never end/..." :) Amid one of her Vickies (pat. pend.), Vickie wrote: the other package I got was the WXPN interview and songs *finally* yay! Doug, you do a very good job of keeping your enthusiasm in check. I was fighting to keep from doing cartwheels down the aisle of the bus while listening to the tape! The songs are absolutely *****WONDERFUL!!!!!!****** I leave the enthusiastic gushing to others in this group better at it than I.:) Actually, I knew it was great at the time, but somehow the fact that it was performed _live_ never really sunk in. The quality is so incredible both as a performance and engineering, it's hard to believe it's live! I've also recently played the interview and album versions of the songs back to back and while the feel of the songs are the same, they are much more different than I originally thought. I'm toying with the idea of taking the songs out of the interview and putting them elsewhere, and sticking the actual interview on the end. I disagree somewhat, since the interview before each song describes it, but I won't argue vociferously. After all, I do have the original if I want it that way. though I agree with Doug that the BEST part is when Happy um,er,ums when talking about us. It's great! I still die laughing listening to Happy trying to find the right word for something she doesn't quite understand. The songs are recorded at a much lower level than the interview. I actually had to fiddle with the volume everytime they switched between the two. Odd. I didn't notice this particularly. I'll have to watch my VU meter the next time. By the way, since I'd rather correct my own errors than have others do it, I will post a corrected (just minor stuff) transcript of the interview tomorrow. Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 19 Dec 91 12:14:05 EST From: David N. Blank-Edelman Subject: High/Low voice counterpoint Howdy- I have a new topic for y'all. I find that I'm a sucker for artists who use a high voice and low voice counterpoint. I was just lent the Laurie Freelove tape (which I am suprised Vickie didn't rave about more) which has several examples of this. The Kate song "Them Heavy People" comes to mind as another example. Can anyone else suggest artists/groups who do this occaisionally, or better yet, often in their music? Peace, dNb ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! Your "humble pseudo-moderator" -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)