Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #725 ecto, Number 725 Saturday, 28 August 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* The start of the Ectilliad FTF added in Chicago! Vickie's finnish tonight at Mike's and other stories Re: Self-sufficiency Re: Warning, Stephen King talk Congratulations!! From Bjork to Jane Lisa Germano on ABC's In Concert Re: Come Closer To The Goddess Re: Monica Seles' Ranking Lisa Germano Miranda PJ O'Connor Laura San Giacomo ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 18:04:47 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: The start of the Ectilliad >>Hey, what if I don't *want* to share the ecto-goddess-deejay-lady >>honors, huh? What if I want to be Sole Deity in that department? >>Methinks there's not room in the studio for the three of us. ;) > >Who said anything about doing it all from one studio? As I envisioned it, >the polytheistic airwaves I envisioned would have given each exclusive juris- >diction within their respective regions, as currently defined by the U.S. >Census Bureau :-). Well, as I remember my mythology, the gods didn't generaly *want* to share anything, and were always engaged in power struggles and petty disputes. If we wanted a real pantheon, we would probably have to start all kinds of petty squables, not to mention the wild sleeping around and hints of bestiality that pops up in these myths. (Don't you love how people say not to mention just before mentioning something.) Not like I was encouraging that kind of thing, just musing aloud ... but I do have this golden apple with the inscription "To she with the best taste in music" that has mysteriously rolled out onto the cybertable. Quick, take cover, Neal ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 23:45:31 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: FTF added in Chicago! I just got home and there was a message on the answering machine from my friend Nathaniel (we worked together at Stirling Ventures/ Rose Records and he still works there) telling me that WCBR's playlist flier lists "Feed the Fire" as *Added*!! Yay. Finally, a station in Chicago is playing Happy (besides my show, of course) which will make it easier to persuade her to come here whenever they do tour. Right off the top of my head, I can't remember where WCBR ("The Bear") is. Something like 99.3? It's a hair away from WXRT. I also don't have their phone number (big help, huh?) but we Chicagophiles need to start requesting it. Btw, I don't know which version they're playing. I'm *so* pleased! Vickie ======================================================================== From: shark@cs.ucla.edu (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Subject: Vickie's finnish Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 22:28:52 -0700 (PDT) That was finnish wasn't it? Or did I misread that? ======================================================================== Subject: tonight at Mike's and other stories Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 02:38:59 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu A funny story that probably shouldn't be repeated on rec.music.gaffa: Mike recently moved into a new apartment and had a housewarming party tonight. Amidst the festivities, the music ended and someone went over to the CD collection to pick another disc. To my pleasant surprise, he chose Kate Bush's _Hounds of Love_. Sometime during the second track, one of Mike's coworker's turned to him and asked, "Is this the same woman who did _Equipoise_?" I don't think I've ever heard of someone mistaking KaTe for Happy before. I was moe than a little tickled. BTW, Doug, Beth's and my copies of the HBP arrived today. Splendid! Thanks for all your work (and yours, Mitch). Many thanks to all the folks who contributed their own music. There's some fantastic stuff in there. Dirk, your medley is *wild*! Beth has asked me to pass along the tidbit that we should all be giving a round of applause to the Newly Doctored Jeff Carre. Congratulations! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 2:45:01 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Self-sufficiency A musician, soon to be on Jeopardy (asks) > I was just wondering about this today. Do H&K make a living off of their > music, or do they hold day jobs like the rest of us (well, *some* of the > rest of us)? If they still work, what do they do? Somehow I can't > picture Happy doing data entry or bussing tables. :-) close! Happy doesn't have a job at the moment, but she's done various things in the past. When I first got ahold of her, in 1988, she was a waitress at an Italian restaurant. (I used to love saying that on my show..."listen to this woman, she's brilliant, and she's a waitress at an Italian restaurant!") In mid-1989 she was a clerk at a gift shop, selling knick-knacks. Shortly after Warpaint was released she was part-timing at a Houseware store "selling spatulas" (as she put it). I'm sure she's had many other jobs, but those particular ones are what she was doing the only 3 times the subject has come up in our conversations. I guess they pretty much live off what Kevin makes as a free-lance "bits" musician (writing short pieces for commercials, Sesame Street, MTV, VH1, and other things) because I know that they don't live off their album sales. Every cent that comes in from them goes right back to the bank to keep their credit up so they can do the Next Project (such as RhodeSongs). I suppose that if for some reason their bank closed that would be It. No more anything from Happy Rhodes until/unless they found a new bank who would give them credit. (That might be hard, since neither has a regular job). I think we all owe their current bank a big round of applause, because they've been willing to finance...oh, for instance, the 1st4 on CD. Can you imagine what that session with the bank officer must have been like? At that time, Happy had *extremely* limited distribution, virtually no airplay anywhere (except Kansas City, Chicago, and of course, most importantly at that time, Philly) and her fan base mainly consisted of us and the Philly listeners. Since the Philly listeners didn't even know about her earlier albums, *we're* the ones who got Happy encouraged enough to released them on CD. Imagine saying to a bank officer "I have this group of fans who want them on CD. ...computer... internet...international, yes...this mailing list....Kate Bush group... flame war...flame war? well uh..." (Please note that I've never asked H or K about their banking officer, and that conversation was my own imagination at work) Hooray Hooray Hooray for Kevin's bank and the power of good credit!!! > By the by, Angelos arrived safe and semi-sound here yesterday. We > had Thai for dinner, and he gave me a present from Greece.. _Rhapsodies_, > by Vangelis and Irene Papas (VERY hard to find in America!) > He lives about five minutes from my place by scooter. Yay! Say hi!!! Vickie ps, Who is David "Dan" Dixon? ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 3:11:57 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Warning, Stephen King talk MichaelB from Haavaaad writes: > Steve, > > Actually, Corky (also Corin) Nemec was the star of the > > much-beloved and now defunct _Parker Lewis Can't Lose_ (well, > > Beyond Parker Lewis (which I loved and will miss). Corin "Corky" > Nemec won an Emmy for is portrayal of Stephen in the TV movie, "I > Know my First Name is Stephen". So he's hardly unknown. Thanks to SteveVanD, D2, Michael & Jeffy for the info on Cor(ky)(in). I hadn't recognized the name. Unfortunately I missed out on PLCL and the Ricky Schroeder movie, but this post went *boing* in my head, because I saw the first part of the Stephen movie (we were gone the second night and I had forgotten to set the VCR. Now I know exactly who he is. He was *great* in that! (Arliss "Cowboy" Howard was in it too. Cowboy from Full Metal Jacket. Arliss was also in Men Don't Leave.) I wonder how Corin got the part of Harold Lauder, and how he will play him. Harold is a sleezy, nasty fuck up suck up, drawn to evil and with delusions of grandeur, petty and spiteful and mean. The more I think about (and learn about) this cast, and the characters each is playing, the more excited I get. At least a few actors are playing against stereotype. Rob Lowe could have played Larry, the pretty boy rock star. Instead he's playing Nick Andros, a shy, resourceful deaf/mute orphan drifter nice nice nice guy. I'm sure Corbin would have been pegged to play Nick, yet he's playing one of the bad guys. Very interesting. As far as I know, I only know Laura San Giacomo from photos, because she was supposed to play Freida Kahlo in a movie, which I was looking forward to, but that project fell through. Anybody know what else she's been in? Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 3:16:36 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Congratulations!! *CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP* Hooray for Geoff Carre!!!!!!!! (Jeffy, it is Geoff, and thank Beth for me.) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 00:38:56 PDT From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Re: Warning, Stephen King talk If you have cable, you have another chance to see _Parker Lewis Can't Lose_. A Flamingo mailing list subscriber managed to get ahold of Clyde Phillps (executive producer of PLCL) who said that PLCL has been bought for syndication by the USA network. In particular catch the first-season episodes, which many PLCL fans consider to be the absolute best. I didn't come in until the second season which was still excellent; the first-season episodes I saw were completely off-the-wall by comparison, though. The thing that makes the fans love the show and other people hate it is the highly surreal atmosphere combined with some very well-drawn characters and an almost unbelievable ability to treat serious themes in humorous but not demeaning ways. Interestingly enough, Jon Drukman is also a member of the Flamingo mailing list. He isn't much different there than he is on Love-Hounds. The Flamingo mailing list got its name from the mascot of Santo Domingo High School, the fictional setting of PLCL. It turns out one of the producers subscribed to the list and after that notable list members had their names used for characters in the show, and the SDHS newspaper got named the "Flamingo Digest". The producers were also extremely gracious to list members who visited the LA area and who expressed interest in visiting the PLCL set; many people got to meet the producers and actors. I'm still kicking myself for not having taken advantage of the group-buy offer where the producers gathered up a mass order of various PLCL paraphenalia from the Columbia Pictures company store for list members. So I guess now you know one of the other mailing lists I hang out on. Unfortunately activity on Flamingo dropped quite a bit after the cancellation of PLCL was announced and many people were disappointed with the third season. I think Corin Nemec would play an evil character well. Although in PLCL he was very clean-cut and nice, he also had a Machiavellian side. ======================================================================== From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) Subject: From Bjork to Jane Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 02:42:17 -0700 (PDT) -> Hi Ron, it's good to see you back! -> *HUG* Awwww.... -> > I don't suppose I need to tell everybody that "When I Was a Boy" is pure -> > pop heaven, do I? -> Nope! It's a wonderful thing! It is, isn't it? Steve mentioned something about the backbeats... I have to admit that the first time I listened to the disc, they really caught me offguard, partly because I had been listening to some 70s soul, including Barry White, just before I bought Jane. But the more I listened, the more I really appreciate the grooves at the bottom of "Temple". I never thought I would say that a Jane Siberry album could be funky, but there it is, on the player as we speak. Ron ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 03:20:31 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Lisa Germano on ABC's In Concert Hello Ectophiles! I have been on and off of rec.music.gaffa for a long time and was recently inspired by, of course, Vickie (thanks!), to get back on Ecto. I was once here way back when Warpaint first came out but couldn't keep up with the list at the time. I hope I can now since I think I fit in Ecto, altough I do feel a little lost in Ectospace at the moment. It's really cool to see all the things being discussed here, I'm just not yet sure what they all are! :) Vickie told me that no one here knew that Lisa Germano hosted ABC In Concert. I guess I was just lucky to have caught it! (tachyons?) I have to admit I don't even have _Happiness_ yet but will. I hope people are interested (I know Vickie is) in seeing a transcript of her appearance since here it is! Lisa Germano hosting ABC's In Concert on August 6th --------------------------------------------------- The show also had stuff from Elton John and Glenn Frey and is heavily edited. Although some places sound strange, I tried to quote *exactly* what was said and preserve the flow of speach. "" = Lisa Germano, unless otherwise noted. () = My comments (Show opens with a short clip from Lisa's "You Make Me Want to Wear Dresses" video. She has straight hair and is wearing a fairy-tale princess dress with one of those long, pointed, cone hats [what's it called!]. She's standing on a stump with a frog sitting in her hand.) Announcer: "Here's tonight's special guest host: Lisa Germano." (Lisa is sitting on a couch with a violin in her lap.) "Elton John, one of the legendary performers...." (She goes on to introduce his video... obviously reading. Next she intros Glenn Frey. Later...) "This is the ABC In Concert new artist profile, where we will take a look at my new album, _Happiness_." (A very similar clip of the same video is shown and then the interview begins over the music. She is seated at a table and is very relaxed, open, and often smiling. I think she looks rather different here than in the video. If anyone cares, she has a ring on her left ring finger but doesn't in the close-ups in the video. In the distant shots it is there.) "When you play the violin, for one people all of a suddden say you're blue-grass or you're country. And so they are going to put you in kind of a folky... nitche there anyway, and then sometime... and I've got a really soft voice... but the stuff that I write about is nothing that you would put into country or like... (As she talks, it shows a little more of the video with her braiding her hair and lacing up a cowgirl top.) I was just always afraid that by playing the violin and having a really soft voice that people would just put me right in there, without listening to it first." (A little more of the video is shown, with her in the cowgirl outfit and strumming a guitar.) "I think of the violin just as a colored (as in colorful) instrument; I don't think of it as you have to play it a certain way. ("Sick of Them" begins playing under her voice as she remains on-screen) And like there are certain songs on the record where I just.. I get the bow and just... it's like EEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR (she grins)... you know and, you don't even know it's a violin, but it's like that was a feeling that that song evoked and, uh, that particular song is called "Sick of Them." It's just like I hate, you know, these people, and I hate this and so you just use the violin as, as a color and... or I hit it. I don't do it on purpose to try to, you know... 'what can I do to the violin to make it sound different' ...it's just like this is what it's coming out as, and I'm angry and I'm going to hit it or... it's a cool instrument for that reason is you can play real beautifully or you can just make it sound awful." (Clip of her in John Mellencamp's "Paper & Fire". [Is that the name?]) "I did this song with John and it just worked out really good where all of a sudden I think he felt that there was another instrument that he could express what he wanted to express." (More of the Mellencamp video clip.) "Anyway when he met me I think that he thought he had a new person to do that with, and he like immediately asked me to join the tour that they were going on, the Scarecrow tour, and I was just kind of like... complete, total... nothing I was, you know, prepared for." (Back to the "You Make Me Want to Wear Dresses" video. She has curly/wavy hair and is wearing a wedding gown and holding a bouquet. It alternates between her standing on a huge cake and her sitting on it playing the violin.) "'You Make We Want to Wear Dresses', right... umm that was a poem in my diary where, it, it didn't mean much right, you know it's just like, free thinking of how I was feeling, kind of feminine and vulnerable. And, but actually I was feeling sad, it was like, I felt so in love that it was like 'I gotta... god, I want this guy to take care of me! I don't like me. It's like finally I found somebody that can make me an interesting person, by him liking me,' you know it's like... and, but it was maybe a year later that I put that into a song. It was a song I wrote on the violin. It was a finger excercise (chuckles) that I use to practice and then it was like 'Oh, I'll put these words to that.'" (Short clip of the video. Nothing new. Why couldn't we just see the whole thing, please?) "With my music I would like to reach people emotionally, I mean... I don't want them to cry but I'd like them to laugh. I'd like them to laugh at themselves if they can relate to what I'm talking to. But if you don't connect with them, and really try to connect with them on that level, they're not going to feel it." (This is the end of the interview. They cut back to her on the couch, with violin on lap.) "This is Lisa Germano, and ABC In Concert will be right back." (Before breaking they cut to her on the couch playing the violin... but only long enough to hear 2 notes!!!!!! After the break she's got the violin at her chin.) "This is Lisa Germano, and you're watching ABC In Concert." (Then it goes off to promo stuff for the show and ends! But wait, she *played* something!!! They *cut* it!!?? ARGH!!!!!) [Transcribed by Alex Gibbs, arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu] --- Lisa Germano really reminds me of an acquaintence (I need an on-line dictionary) of mine.... it's really weird.... her looks and manerisms and that they both play violin and write poetry. Yes, well, anyway, reality... About this American/English thing... how can you have forgotten this first one! (Or is it not really called that in UK???????????) > ********************************************************************** > Add to this list (and feel free to correct mistakes) > ********************************************************************** > America Canada UK Europe Australia > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Duct tape Gaffer's tape Line Line-up Queue (as in form a line) Truck Lorry Car Auto Auto TV Tele Bar Pub Pharmacist Chemist Can (of tuna) Tin Can Loo ?? loop? Round-about(?) I might be horribly wrong on some of these so please correct them! Oh, that big thunderstorm that hit in Chicago the other day hit at the same time we got pounded by one of our bigger monsoons... it shut down my net access for the night... but I lived. Goodnight! --- Alex R. Gibbs |\| | (~, ]-[ ~|~ ]-[ /-\ \/\/ ]< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 16:32:13 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Come Closer To The Goddess In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <01H27UE9MPNM8ZDZMP@delphi.com>, you wrote: > }Biscuits Cookies Buns? * > > Erm, sorry, but what we Yanks call "biscuits" bear little > resemblance to what the Brits call cookies and the Aussies buns > (maybe :). Biscuits are a Southern concoction of flour, > buttermilk, and not much else that are either rolled out and > cut with a round cutter or dolloped onto a cookie sheet and > baked. The result is a light, fluffy, slightly sweet bread > thing that is out of this world, especially when still hot > from the oven and slathered in melting butter. Yum. :d Yep. A bun. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 16:45:49 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Warning, Stephen King talk In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article , you wrote: > As long as I'm on the subject of SK movies, here's a cast list for > _The Stand_. Are you Stand fans ready for this? I don't think so, but... > Gary Sinise as Stu Redman Bland casting if ever there was some... > Molly Ringwald as Franny Goldsmith Oh, please, no!!!! No!!! No!!!!!! She's too... *pert and pouty* to be Fran! > Rob Lowe as Nick Andros WHAT??? :) > Diane Lane as Julie Lawry That's more like it. As long as she stays away from the "KnightMoves" school of emotional overacting. > Laura San Giacomo as Nadine Ditto; Laura's a rather under-rated actress. > Ruby Dee as Mother Abigail Oh for heaven's sake... > Matt Frewer as Trashcan Man Best of the bunch. He'll be perfect. > I think is a good sign. I wish an unknown were playing Nick too, though > Rob Lowe *is* a good actor and I have faith he'll do a good job. It's Rob tends to overdo his parts, I think. He can turn in a good performance, but it seems to be the exception rather than the rule... > _The Stand_ is my favorite Stephen King book, and I've been waiting for > this movie for a long, long time. It *better* be good! I wonder if they're filming the long version of the book... :) Incidentally, I'm in two minds about watching it when it makes the inevitable trek to edited-down home video over here, like all ABC mini-series seem to. The book played out like a movie in my mind, so rich in imagery it was almost like a Clive Barker novel... :-) I don't know if I need it illustrated for me, particularly if the result is going to turn out like the truly awful TV production of "It". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 13:10:41 -0400 (EDT) From: ROBNPAM@delphi.com Subject: Re: Monica Seles' Ranking Tennis rankings are an odd thing...it actually makes perfect, if unfortunate, sense that she is no longer #1. I'm not sure of the circumstances surrounding the other players' vote to not let her retain the ranking, but here's a basic explanation of how tennis rankings work: each player's ranking is based on a composite of their performance for the last 52 weeks. As each week passes, your performance for the most recent week is added to your ranking and the oldest is removed. To retain your ranking, therefore, (assuming no other players do anything dramatic) you have to perform in the most recent week at least as well as you did during the same week one year ago. For instance, if you reached the Wimbledon finals in 1992, but in 1993 you only reached the round of 16, your ranking has been damaged. Now, if everyone else did at least as badly (which really can't happen, but just for the sake of argument...) you won't actually suffer...but if someone else had only gotten to the quarters in 1992 and this year they won the tournament, and they're only one ranking behind you, they're going to overtake you. Hoping that made at least some small bit of sense... cOpZ$| Pamela Albany, N{ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 19:16:18 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Lisa Germano I bought Lisa Germano's "Happiness" album today and I just love it. Listened to it the whole afternoon...........I really would love to get her first one which is not available here in Norway :( -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Subject: Miranda PJ O'Connor Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 14:58:41 CDT From: Joe Zitt Neile Graham writes: > While I like a lot of _Suspiria_ there are parts of it that ring too > familiarly of the gothic sounds of mid 70s Renaissance, and the kind of > passion isn't anguished in the same way Sinead is. PJ Harvey is closer, > though I guess I would say she's past of the anguish of love that Sinead > expresses in _The Lion and the Cobra_ into the anger of sex. That may well be true -- but I've never heard PJ Harvey (though I've read a lot about her). I'm a major Renaissance nut (I drive people berserk by singing along in falsetto to "Prologue"), so that would be a plus for me. > P.S. Joe, since you write poetry too I'd much rather argue with you about > what a line of poetry is or isn't. ;) I like Leonard Cohen's statement that "Poetry isn't a form, it's a verdict": he says that it's more of a quality, rather that a form on writing in which lines don't reach the left margin. I have a feeling that almost any line can serve as poetry or not, but then I like reading Jackson MacLow, so I can swallow random word dissociation fairly easily. ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 13:49:56 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Laura San Giacomo Vickie vicked: > > As far as I know, I only know Laura San Giacomo from photos, because she > was supposed to play Freida Kahlo in a movie, which I was looking forward > to, but that project fell through. Anybody know what else she's been in? Her most famous role was her first one, as the steamy younger sister in "sex, lies and videotape" (one of my favorite movies, I might add). She was also in a movie whose title escapes me at the moment... she played an independent-minded settler in Australia, and the movie costarred Tom Selleck. D^2 ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)