Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #722 ecto, Number 722 Thursday, 26 August 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* happiness is a warm storm HBP -- got my copy (yay) ooivletce!! Stuff Re: ooivletce!! No tachyon content, or maybe no content Bjork Day 3, or thereabouts, of the revolution :-) Re: ecto #721 greetings from boston stuff Come Closer To The Goddess beach report ======================================================================== Date: 26 Aug 93 14:04:20 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: happiness is a warm storm >> Oh well! I guess Mother Nature was jealous of Happy's voice... Self-envy? -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 26 Aug 93 14:13:55 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: HBP -- got my copy (yay) Thanks Doug. No sooner had I sent a message wondering when I'd get it... it came in the mail. It's really a great package of tapes. I've only listened to about half of it so far (including my contribution, of course, to see if it sounded reasonable). And I had to check out Dirk's medley to see what all the fuss was about. I must admit it is great. Not just in the collaging of all those familiar themes, but in the pseudo-orchestration of it all. I almost agree with those that were complaining about happy's stark instrumentation some months ago. It is fascinating to get a glimpse of what an orchestra could do with Happy's music. wow. Unfortunately, this is probably as close as we'll ever come to hearing what it could sound like. I hope I'm wrong. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 15:52:05 CDT From: lusky@sol.hc.ti.com (Steve Lusky) Subject: ooivletce!! spoiler, perhaps... just having fun with adjusting the rabbit ears :-) I hope I'm not embarrassing myself in that all of you may have found this all too obvious... ooivletce!! I love ecto!! Siht sitl si os nrtngieetis nad fedulwnor!! This list is so interesting and wonderful!! !!Lal uyo vleo i I love you all!! And of course, Eivcik Vickie No pattern matching for this one. Thanks, Vickie, for not similarly arranging one of your epics! Cheers to all, and a "hi fep to that" to Ecto-Ma, S+eve ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 13:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Stuff Tim, yes, please send the discography. I can drool over it and check the exchange rate ;) Yes, Richard Thompson plays in _Liege and Lief_. He also plays on Sandy Denny's solo albums,_Sandy_ and _The North Star Grassmen and the Ravens_. I don't know about her other two solo albums, though Linda Peters (later Thompson) sang backup on Fotheringay. Liege = entitled to receive feudal service, as in he was his liege lord Lief = Gladly or willingly in the sense of I'd rather, as in I would as lief read ecto as work. I'm not too clear on how they go together in the context of the album title, though. We could probably start a "What does gaffa mean" type discussion on it, though. If you like Richard Thompson, the combination of Sandy's voice and Richard's guitar on _L and L_ will blow you away. I promise. --Neile ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 15:44:58 -0600 (MDT) From: KELLY BAKER Subject: Re: ooivletce!! > ooivletce!! > I love ecto!! yes but can anyone explain why the address ended up so strangely in my mail box Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 23:38:51 EDT From: WretchAwry To: ecto.@u.cc.utah.edu Subject: ooivletce!! ecto.@u.cc.utah.edu but i'm kb9171@u.cc.utah.edu and ecto is ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu that's what it says on all my other ecto messages how'd she do that is she magic and what does acolyte mean anyway i can't find a dictionary around here i have a dictionary but it's packed in a box somewhere in washington or maybe it's somewhere between washington and new jersey that's where i am now even though my address would imply that i'm in utah mitch are you in utah do you go to u of u and there might be a dictionary on this computer but i don't really know how to use it yet and of course i don't know where a library is around here so someone please take pity on me and tell me what an acolyte is and what it has to do with white cowls i know what a sycophant is cause my ap american history teacher in high school used to call us a bunch of sycophants if we were being bad and tell us we deserved french kisses in the eyeballs if we were being good i believe that liege und liefe means love and lies but i'm not really sure since my german dictionary is in the same box as my american one but i bet meredith could tell you vickie have you heard christine lavin's good thing he can't read my mind because it kind of sounds like you going camping and speaking of music i saw les mis last night and i didn't need tissues woj just cause well i just never seem to get very drippy in public but i did cry oh wow powerofdynamicdramasplenidiferouscenicness oh how do i get a happy birthday tape or did there end up being a few of them because they or it or whatever it was sounded really good kelly ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 15:17:14 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: No tachyon content, or maybe no content Vickie VAMPS or maybe SIEVES; >> Nighty night, Juha > > Wow! I thought my mom and I were the only people in the universe who > said that...how wonderful! I just have to wonder why your family says "Nighty night, Juha"? JimG, you could guarantee that the Neile-Speak System 7 were bug free by claiming the results of it's translations were precisely what Neile meant! Maybe you could then work from the code backwards and attempt to convince Neile to mistype precisely in that manner. Or perhaps she could use the NSS as a spell checker to parse her messages ans ensure the translated content was what she intended. Or maybe you could export it as a cryptosystem to countries around the world. The possibilities are limitless. Christo: Wow, I'd love to see a picture of the painting of the picture of the Orangutang from our trip to the zoo. It was a pleasure having you visit too. Eivcik, we vleo you too. (Eivcik sounds like a much more imposing name. I don't think I'd ever mess with an Eivcik, not like I'd mess with a Vickie either, but you get the drift.) Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 18:18:14 -0400 (EDT) From: King o' Pain Subject: Bjork I just got my new issue of _Rolling Stone_ in the mail today and was surprised to see Bjork in the "Fall Fashion" section. Along with some nice pictures of Bjork in designer clothes, there is a pretty good (albeit short) article. There isn't a whole lot of info., but they did mention that she is rehearsing "for her upcoming tour"! I hope this will include stops in America. Anyway, thought you all would be interested... Stuart ______________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg "I want to be a lawyer, I want to be a Emory Univ. Law School scholar. But I really can't be bothered." labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu -Kate Bush _o_ |< ______________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 17:47:33 CDT From: "The Bradyon Bunch :-)" Subject: Day 3, or thereabouts, of the revolution :-) This is about the third day in a row that the traffic on comp-academic-freedom- talk has been lighter than usual, and that on ecto seemingly heavier. This is an enjoyable development; it gives me more time to ponder the great fuzzy blue issues of our time, as opposed to the more important matters of keeping the net free and open :-). WRT Holly's email to me: I don't know whether the Cool Thing that resides at O'Hare is the people mover, or the United terminal writ large. I also don't know if the former term, in practice, refers to the conveyor belt--sort of a flat escalator--between parts of the premises, or the trainlike conveyance between the terminal and certain peripheral parking lots. At any rate, Vickie is the only person I've ever known to use this term. Should any pilgrimage of out-of-town ectophiles to the Cool Thing be organized, might I suggest that as long as the airport is on the Blue Line, y'all make a stopover at the Damen station on the same line and have a look at the Guyville Historic District (there really isn't one, but the latest _Billboard_ could easliy make one think there was). You could stage marches on Wax Trax and on Earwax records, to persuade them to start carrying Happy's music. The WNN list says ABC is looking for a managing director for _World News Now_. If any ectophiles have some notion of what a managing director does, and feel competent to do it, this may be the golden opportunity to get Happy's music into the weather segments (they have taken music out of the sports segments; I mean to write them an indignant letter about that). Yesterday on _The Midnight Special_, it was noted that WFMT was the first station in Chicago to carry Bob Dylan, and the first one to carry the Beatles. Between _TMS_ and Studs Terkel's interview show, methinks that FMT could be the first or second to carry Happy. Susanne and the others who worry about Happy's airplay should keep this in mind, IMHO WIVH. I am now firmly convinced that Kelly could easily beat out Vickie for the Hubert Selby Award for the longest single-clause sentence I've read today :-); but WRT her specific questions, at least the ones I can remember finding in there :-) : 1) no, I'm not at the University of Utah and thus don't know if there's an online dictionary there; I suggest exploring the system's online documentation. 2) an acolyte is more or less the same thing as an altar boy, based on what little I know about those religions that have one or the other. 3) a sycophant (literally derived from the Greek for "Fig taster") is sort of like Anne Baxter in _All About Eve_; for a clearer explanation, try the online dictionary once you find it. 4) write to Doug Burks (dbx@olympic.atmos.colosta te.edu) about ordering a set of HBP tapes; you'll be glad you did once you hear what we managed to cobble together :-). Mitch ------------------------- "S'mores can make anything right" --not William Graham Sumner ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 16:09:02 -0700 (PDT) From: the butcher Subject: Re: ecto #721 1. Philip Glass's first name is spelled with only one L, Jimbo. 2. Momus is splendid. One of the music world's adorable creeps. The three CDs I have are _Circus Maximus_, _Don't Stop The Night_, and _Voyager_. So far, my fave is the middle one, tho' the newest is growing on me. 3. If Michael gets dibs for the nicest guy on earth, then I'm glad. I nominate myself for the crankiest. 4. I want to place an advance order for NeileSpeak 7. I'm sure it's compatible with all my hard- and software. 5. I spotted _Equipoise_ in the Seattle Silver Platters listening binder. Also, when I was visiting Syracuse recently, I spotted *all* her albums in the record store bins. Good distribution, but is the Syracuse public buying it? 6. Back to Philip Glass. The new disc is wonderful -- his _Concerto for Violin and Orchestra_. "Accessible", I'd say, even for those who don't care for the more truly minimalist stuff. Paired with Alfred Schnittke's _Concerto Grosso No. 5_, which couldn't be more unlike the Glass, but still awesome. 7. I also recommend a new Point Music release by Gavin Bryars called _Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet_ -- a worthy response to all the Gorecki, Tavener, and Part Xian mania. In other words, if you like that stuff, but you wish the religious overtones weren't so fascist, listen to Bryars. Peace. - Bo ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 21:43:23 EDT Subject: greetings from boston I'm in boston now.. .Just got back from Tower, HMV and Newbury where I browsed and shopped. I got Jarboe's solo album, haven't heard it yet, but I like so much of the stuff she's done with Swans and Skin that I am quite sure I'll like this one... In Tower, Cambridge, they had lots of copies of Ecto, Rearmament, Warpaint and Equipoise. Any of you boston-area ectophiles who arel ooking for these, check the palce out. please excuse the typos as I am suffering with net.delay. Anyway, I am flying off to gold rush country, southern california, and I won't be e-mail accessible for the next 9 days or so, as my primary e-mail machine at McGill will be down for some major software and hardware upgrades upon my return. I subsubscribed to ecto for this time, so if there are messages of particulare interest to me, feel free to send carbon copies to me. (I don't anticipate having time to catch up on the messages I missed). cheerios, -- | Alan Ezust ezust@{binkley.}cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| Non-determinism means never having to say you are wrong. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 21:58:43 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (proud to be your spud) Subject: stuff WretchAwry sez: >> >Some info for woy: KLM stands for Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij, >> I meant woj, of course. Sorry... >I just thought that that was the Dutch spelling. I like it! klaus and claudia used to pronounce it "voy" (which is, of course, proper german for "woj"). i think i'm going to have to one of those baseball caps and write "voy toy" on the bottom of the flap. :) >Shimmer is glorious, Inamorata is patchy, with >those 4 songs (IMHO) being the only ones worth having from that CD. i dunno. the live drunken cover of the violent femme's "country death song" is pretty amusing. the other tracks are either remixes or oops tracks that didn't make it to _shimmer_. yeah, i'd have to agree that _shimmer_ is the place to start, but i wouldn't write _inamorata_ off entirely. the early version of _inamorata_ (with the non-black lighted cover) doesn't have the extra tracks. this is the copy that wesu has anyways. >Besides, as woy and I are in complete agreement about, Shimmer has the song >"Garden of Edith" which no Ethereal-loving Ectophile should be without. oh yes! mmmmmmmhhh! >Or a whole pile of those necklace thingies that glow in the dark when you >break the chemical whatchimacallit inside? (Does anyone know what I'm talking >about?) yup. i always get a bunch of them at halloween from work. instead of giving them to the kids as i'm supposed to, i use them for lights in my room. i love the eerie gren light they cast! Mike Mendelson sez: >What do Liege and Lief mean anyways? a liege is like a lord. if i'm your vassal, then you're my liege. lief is old english for the verb to like (well, maybe middle english, i forget). happiness is... - the release of a soft boys two disc compilation of tracks taken from their five years of existence. culled from the albums, various demos, unreleased live material and so it. yow! i've been waiting for this since last year sometime and it's finally here! yay! the soft boys were robyn hitchcock's band before the egyptians - their album _underwater moonlight_ nas been called the "best pop album that only seven people ever heard." this compilation on rykodisc is probably the best place to start if you're interested in this band at all. - the first varttina album. i'd mentioned them a few months back when their fourth album, _seleniko_ was re-released on green linnet in amer- ica. for those who've forgotten, varttina is a finnish ensemble fea- turing lots of traditional instruments, lots of women singing and lots of naughty lyrics. i'd been meaning to pick this up and finally found a copy for relatively cheap ($14 imported). yippee! haven't listened to it yet, but i know it's great. - the latest effort by band of susans. i know this is not typical ecto fare, but those of you with a taste for harsher guitar-based stuff will probably like this. it's called _veil_ and is possibly the best thing that band of susans has ever done. stacatto, buzzsaw guitar bursts, melody by the rhythm section, occasional female vocals. what more could you want? fans of throwing muses first album will probably get into this easily. - jeff kellem brought up helium a few weeks back. their new single is out now on pop narcotic records. you can contact pop narcotic's owner, bill peregoy, at peregoyb@roadtrunner.pictel.com for ordering info. just make sure you leave one for me. +woj ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 22:36:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Come Closer To The Goddess Hi! I'm hopelessly behind on my playlists, especially since I did two shows last week, but I'm too zonked to type in all three of them right now... tomorrow. Or maybe this weekend. Or whatever. %) Before I slide into oblivion, a couple notes: Bob, it was great to finally meet you too. Hopefully next time we'll have more time to hang out! Mitch wonders: }Anyone on this list have a Ph.D. from Yale? Maybe they could }get us a deal on those trademark blue robes :-). Well, my sister has one, and sprung for the robes when she graduated. (She passed on the mushroom hat, though, for which we were all thankful.) Though I must say they're not exactly Yale Blue (TM) at the moment... when she pulled them out of the closet for Wesleyan graduation last year, she discovered that in the intervening four years since she bought them they had turned a rather spectacular shade of purple. Beautiful, but not on Yale robes that cost as much as those did! After graduation (people were asking her where she went ;), she sent them back to the company in Chicago (Mitch take note!) that manufactured them asking for an exchange, since this was obviously a bad dye job. They sent her some new robes, but it turns out that also in the intervening four years the company had decided to cut costs, and are now making the robes out of fabric resembling that of most high-school graduation gowns (or Wesleyan undergrad gowns, Do Not Expose To Water :P) and not the nice cotton blend they had used before. The only thing that can be said for them is that they're not as hot in the heat of June, but they're vastly inferior to what my sister had originally. Incensed, she sent those back and demanded her old ones back. Not sure if she succeeded... I think she did, now that I think of it. I guess the moral of this tangent is, if we do want some Yale Blue attire, it'll be cheaper now than it was then! }Simply anoint Meredith as ecto-goddess-deejay-lady-northeast, }Kiri as ecto-goddess-deejay-lady-south, Vickie as ecto-goddess }deejay-lady-midwest, and hang loose on the ecto-goddess-deejay }lady-west. Hey, what if I don't *want* to share the ecto-goddess-deejay-lady honors, huh? What if I want to be Sole Deity in that department? Methinks there's not room in the studio for the three of us. ;) }Biscuits Cookies Buns? * Erm, sorry, but what we Yanks call "biscuits" bear little resemblance to what the Brits call cookies and the Aussies buns (maybe :). Biscuits are a Southern concoction of flour, buttermilk, and not much else that are either rolled out and cut with a round cutter or dolloped onto a cookie sheet and baked. The result is a light, fluffy, slightly sweet bread thing that is out of this world, especially when still hot from the oven and slathered in melting butter. Yum. :d Meredith meth@delphi.com "Do you know Carolina/Where the biscuits are soft and sweet..." - Tori Amos ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 19:59:16 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: beach report Yesterday I went surfing! Well, is it really called surfing if you don't stand up for more than .326 seconds. I never really got the hang of standing up, but I did perfect one cool trick, the surf board vault. It's pretty simple, but looks great. Start paddling when a wave comes at you, then, after you are moving well along, spring up onto the surfboard for .326 seconds, then vault into the air, trying to look like that was your intention all along. This was the first time I've ever tried that, and I'm not really sure it's my cup of tea (or perhaps noseful of saltwater would be more appropriate), but somehow I still ended up going home much poorer and with a really big surfboard to show for my day. It was fun watching the sun set from the ocean though, and it does make a much better boogie board than my boogie board. In other beach news, we had a special work lunch down at the beach today, and it turned out they were filming an episode of Silk Stockings, some TV show I've never heard of. They had extras strolling in front of a beach house for rent. I guess they were supposed to simulate foot traffic, but they stood out like martians. The beach area is full of women in pretty small bikinis, and if they weren't wearing bikinis, they were wearing one pieces or comfortable shorts. The extras were decked out to go to a nightclub. They had on 3 inch high heals and skin tight short short dressed in fluorescent orange and green. One had tight tight short shorts on. It all seemed pretty silly, since they obviously had absolutely nothing in common with the real beach crowd. I'll have to be sure to wear my spiked heels next time I go for a walk along the beach. Surfer neal ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)