Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #720 ecto, Number 720 Wednesday, 25 August 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Translations from the Neile + suggestions I want Tribe CD's The City of Wind rex. Re: I want Tribe CD's Neile, Neile and other stories Re: Great Thunderstorms Tachyon mail tachyons, Once and for All... ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Translations from the Neile + > Mitch, re: yclept. Hey, I love a man you know Old English :) Neile translation: Hey, I love a man who knows old English (smiley untranslatable) > From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) > Hi Neile! Hi, Robert! > I got into Sandy Denny years ago; it was the 60's, I was in college... > Bands like Fotheringay, Stone the Crows, and the Strawbs had a great sound. > It's interesting that you can't hear this music on the "classic rock" > format. Too good for classic rock, I guess. And never popular enough in the U.S. :( > While driving Chris Boek up to Casa de Footah last saturday we were > listening to WXPN. They played "Tam Lin", which Chris had never heard. > What a voice! !!! > Just wanted to say there's another major S.D. fan out there! > Bob the folky rocker Thank you! I knew you had to be out there, Robert! And I knew there had to be more Sandy Denny fans on ecto because folks here have great taste. We all know enough to love Happy's music, don't we? Welcome to the returnees, Michael and Yngve. Now we only need brni back and Martin to regain net access, and, and, I can't think right now. > As the subject says - I'm going to order some albums and therefore > I need some recommendations of albums by some artists/groups - > > Throwing Muses Either _Hunkpapa_ or _The Real Ramona_ > Diamanda Galas _The Singer_ is you're nervous or _The Plague Mass_ if you're brave. I hear that _You Must Be Certain of the Devil_ is out of print. > Danielle Dax _Dark Adapted Eye_ > Dead Can Dance _A Passage in Time_ (a compilation) > All About Eve _Scarlet and Other Stories_ (which I heard about through the Ectophiles Guide, thanks to Anthony's entry on them) > Lene Lovich Stateless (her first, a classic) See? Once we get the ectophiles guide up and running, you could just go to the archives (or email a query) and see what we've all said about these folks, including first album to try. It will be ready Very Soon Now. > From: Mike Mendelson > Subject: San-dy Den-ny > Neile, could you suggest ONE CD (available in U.S. > or Canada) that I should buy to start off, blank slate? > I'd appreciate it. _Best of Sandy Denny_, available from Ryko/Hannibal, has most of the essential tracks. _Leige and Lief_ from Fairport Convention is the second one you should get, and then for the third you'll be addicted and buy the box set. > Neile also wrote: > >_Liege and Lief_ in first the vinyl that I worse out and now the disc > have > >probably had more plays on my stereo than any other music I've owned, > and > >not only because I've owned it so long. > > This qualifies hands down as one of the most cryptic and intriguing > sentences I've ever read!! Did anybody understand it? I'm sure > it's of some grave importance. :-) Definitively. > From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk > > Perhaps you were being distracted while typing, eh Neile? Well, it was almost 2:00 in the morning when I wrote it. > From: "Michael Blackmore" > > Well, I plugged the sentence into my copy of Neile-Speak (software for > translating Neile's comments). The first go through it came up with > insufficient memory errors. Hey, just like Neile herself! > So I installed more memory. Damn I wish I could do this. > I ran it > again and got: "Drop your trousers Sir William". I went back to the > drawing board! This has a certain je ne sais quoi. > After some tinkering and installing the latest copy of Neile-Speak (V. > 6.1, which also includes a demo copy of Nirvana-Speak the new software > for figuring out the lyrics to Nirvana songs!); I got this result: > > "Liege and Lief_ is the first vinyl that I wore out and now the > (compact) disc has probably had more plays on my stereo than any > other music (albums/discs) that I've owned. This is not only because > I've owned it so long, but because I play it so much! I highly > endorse this album!" Very, very, close. The points I was trying to jam together in one sentence were: I have owned _L&L_ a long time, first on vinyl (which I wore out) then on disc; I have played it continually for the approx 15 years I have owned it; I have probably played it more than any other disc/vinyl/tape I have owned; the cause of the previous statement is not just length of ownership but has to do with the fact that it's Damn Good and hasn't gotten stale for me in all that time. Now don't you prefer the Sir William version?? ;) > I hope this helps you Mike (and Ecto). Neile-Speak (and Nirvana- > Speak) are available for $29.95 (each) from the We-Say-So Corporation > (c/o Dinosaurs). Michael, please send me a copy immediately! I want to give Jim one! ======================================================================== Date: 25 Aug 93 16:39:05 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: suggestions Yngve asks for advice: > Throwing Muses The one with Dizzy is their best, IMO. > Cocteau Twins All very good. My faves are Victorialand which is more subdued and moody, then there's a CD with two CD-5's on it including the song Red-Orange-Yellow or something like that (man, I can't remember these titles because they are so devoid of meaning) which I love to pieces. Really, you can't go wrong, but they do take a bit of getting used to. If you've never heard anything by them, I'd start the Pink Opaque which is sort of a best of. This is where I started and then I used that to get other stuff. Treasure is good but I think some of their other stuff is deeper and more sublime. I haven't listened to treasure in eons. > Concrete Blonde They're all good, you really can't go wrong, but, I would definitely get their first one; and my particular fave of their stuff is the Caroline CD-5. Indispensible. > Danielle Dax Dark Adapted Eye CD pretty much covers everything worth hearing. If you *really* love it, there's all Blast the Human Flower... or something like that. > Dead Can Dance My hands down favorite is Aion. I would highly recommend this to all ectophiles. It grew on me to the point that for about 2 months it is the only disc I listened to right before I went to sleep every night. If you ever get a chance to see them live, don't pass it up. > Lene Lovich I got the 2-CD anthology of her work on recommendation from people on gaffa (this was before ecto existed!), and to be honest, I've hardly listened to it. When I did listen to it, I was disappointed. It's too synth-poppy for me. There are couple of decent tracks, but I've never gotten into her. She also had a more recent release (a one word title: Touch? I dunno. It was the same as the title of someone else's CD) which was a little more tolerable but not amazing or anything. Happy spending! -mjm ======================================================================== Subject: I want Tribe CD's From: Tim Breitkreutz Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 14:54:06 -0600 Well, the title says it all. Is there anybody out there in the ecto-sphere who is near a good cheap source of Tribe CD's that would be willing to get them for me? I checked today for them at the best store in town and they'd have to special order them for me for CDN$30 a piece! I have a dub of Liz's copy of abort (Thanks liz!) but I want hardcopy now.. Thanks in advance! Tim ======================================================================== Date: 25 Aug 93 16:57:07 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: The City of Wind Cathy G. storms: >Even more notable if one was sitting in the upper deck at Comiskey Park >which is where I got to witness the whole thing. The sky turned all sorts >of weird colors like the sky in _Ghostbusters_ and the lightning put on >quite a light show! Hey, no kidding! I was at my home in Evanston and the sky sured turned an eerie shade of YELLOW. Rather scary. I've seen this color before and usually it means Tornadoes aren't far away. Sure enough a funnel cloud was spotted west of the city (never touched down though). That was some wild-looking storm though. I hope Vickie got a good look. >I was in Chicago on a boon-doggle, errrr, business trip -- drove down on >Monday and back to Mpls on Tuesday. Funny, I have a friend who just went to Mpls from Chicago (for about a week though). Maybe not that funny... >I don't think I want to go back to Chicago again. Ever. Now, now, you don't really mean that. How about those super views of the skyline in The Fugitive, ay? -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 14:15:22 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: rex. Yngve wants recommendations, Yngve gets recommendations: >> Cocteau Twins - My favorites of what I have is Treasure, although I like PinK Opaque a lot too. (People have claimed that since that is from many of their albums, it lacks the cohesiveness of the original albums, but I like it just fine anyway.) I also enjoy Heaven and Las Vegas a lot, but not quite as much as the others. I don't have stuff older then Treasure. >> Concrete Blonde - I've got Bloodletting and Walking in London, and Bloodletting is the hands down winner. WiL is pretty good, but ^^^^^^^^^^^^ is wonderful. I've heard scattered songs off older albums that intrigue me, but for me, if it was one disc, the choice is clear. >> Danielle Dax - I have one disc, Dark Adapted Eye, that I think is a compilation. I thought it was full of really cool music. Maybe someone can recommend others to me. I saw a more recent one, but the song I heard wasn't that good, and I saw her open for someone a few years ago and was really disappointed. >> All About Eve - I've got a tape of Scarlet and Other Stories and think it's pretty good. I don't listen to it very much, but each time I do, I think I should listen to it more. It doesn't stick with me, but is always a pleasent surprise when I return to it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I like how the world language thread has mutated to tennis = rugby = Australian rules football. I'd be in for a mighty big surprise if I tried to play tennis anywhere else in the world. Neal (who suddenly feels shallow and (what's the opposite of sublime) blatant, obvious for liking Treasure so, but it was the first one I got, and still my favorite) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 15:54:44 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: I want Tribe CD's Tim pleads: > > Well, the title says it all. Is there anybody out there in the > ecto-sphere who is near a good cheap source of Tribe CD's that > would be willing to get them for me? I checked today for them > at the best store in town and they'd have to special order them > for me for CDN$30 a piece! > I saw a copy of _Sleeper_ for $5 here in town. Interested? D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 19:12:38 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (proud to be your spud) Neile Graham sez: >woj, re: Bighat. Could you post the address & price and stuff for the Big >Hat disc? let's see..._inamorata_ is $10 plus $2 postage. the address to mail to is: big hat c/o mad millinery 5602 n. ridge chicago, il 60660 they also have _shimmer_ on cd for $15 (the full lengther on c'est la mort), the _hathead_ cassette for $10, t-shirts (long sleeve: $25; short: $15) and "mandala-esque" posters at 3/$10. postage is a flat $2 no matter what you order. Joe Zitt sez: >This strikes me as obvious enough that someone's probably already >discovered a good reason why not, but: Would it be possible to put the >Newsletter up for ftp, with textfiles of the text and GIFs of the >graphics? $2/year isn't *that* bad, now, is it? ;) yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) sez: >As the subject says - I'm going to order some albums and therefore >I need some recommendations of albums by some artists/groups - >Throwing Muses either their self-titled first release, _house tornado_ or _the real ramona_. the first release is pure goddesshead. >Cocteau Twins _victorialand_ or _garlands_. there's no other possibility. >Danielle Dax _dark adapted eye_ is a good one to find - has all the tracks from _inky bloaters_ plus a few extras too. _blast the human flower_ is half great and half trash. the japanese releases are too hard to find. >Dead Can Dance _the serpent's egg_ is my fave. stark and forbidding. _aion_ and its medi- evality (new word alert!) is keen too. if you can find the self-titled first release, that's good too if only for the brilliant tracks that orig- inally came from the _garden of arcane delights_ ep. >Lene Lovich _flex_ or _stateless_, both of which have lots of keen extra tracks. consid sez: >Wondering if I'll EVER get to see the Cool Thing at O'Hare, i've seen it! i've seen it! it's cool. (i saw chris' pictures of it). +woj ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 17:32:33 CDT From: "Translatable without software :-)" Subject: Neile, Neile and other stories WRT Steve Fagg's post yesterday on the stumbling blocks to listening to the 1993 HBP tapes: Seems to me that anyone in Steve's predicament should arrange in advance to keep the 1991 HGP tapes, the ones that started it all, easily at hand, in order to be able to cue up the most appropriate track of all for these situations: Greg and Jessica's cover of "Moving." :-) Vickie klauses, _inter alia_: >[...] I used to be a Sinead-basher, but I started liking her when she >tore up that photo of the Pope. [...] Perhaps just as well she's not employed as the music director of _World News Now_. To play "Wrong Century" under footage of JP2 in Denver would certainly have gained Happy a lot of listeners, but might also have gotten the network a bunch of irate letters :-). Neile neiles: >Mitch, re: yclept. Hey, I love a man you know Old English :) (Which she translates further down.) In the original form, it seems to have a kind of West Indian lilt to it. So do the real lyrics to "Louie, Louie," whose decryption was also a matter of mass concern at one time. Deja vu all over again :-). Steve Fagg takes a break from offloading to observe: >P.S. I like "acolyte" much better than "sycophant" (never did like >figs). Do we get to wear long robes, with cowls? I've always wanted a >cowl! I'd like to suggest that they should be coloured the lovely deep >blue of the Ecto T-shirt. I could really get into that! :-) Anyone on this list have a Ph.D. from Yale? Maybe they could get us a deal on those trademark blue robes :-). (Columbia robes are a much lighter blue, but I suppose if nothing else is available....) Sue trowbridges: >Wondering if I'll EVER get to see the Cool Thing at O'Hare, In another couple of months she should be able to do it cheaper, albeit more circuitously: Catch the $39 flight on Southwest from BWI to Midway, than catch the elevated from Midway downtown (hopefully it will finally open by then), and change at the Clark and Lake station to the subway to O'Hare. As far as I know all the direct flights to the Cool Thing cost much more :-). WRT Cathy's misadventures in the Windy and Rainy City: If a Chicagoan visited Mipple City (cf. _Omaha The Cat Dancer_--if my cat could read, is that what he'd read? :-) ) in the winter, and it got cold that day, would she attribute the thermal downturn to the visitor? Perhaps one of ecto's scientific commun- ity could chime in with a discourse on the nature of causality, spurious and otherwise. In any event, try coming back some time when it isn't raining-- it'll impart a whole new perspective on these matters. Happy birthday to Leonard Bernstein, wherever you are. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 7:13 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Re: Great Thunderstorms > I remember reading a bit on thunderstorms in here recently, and was it > Vickie who said that she hadn't seen a good one since she moved to > Chicago? I would say the storm that ripped through here yesterday > was notable, wasn't it?! > > It was pretty neat because I had turned on Rearmament and by the time > 'Til Dawn Breaks came on, the storm was in full force and it was > wonderful -- live thunder and lightning all through her heavenly > voice. It was haunting, but yummy! > > See ya! > > -chip You know, when Chris Boek was here we had a humdinger of a ThunderStorm rip through, and I put on Til The Dawn Breaks and it was great but all of a sudden a bolt of lightning struck nearby and power went out for a second, shutting off the CD player and amp. Oh well! I guess Mother Nature was jealous of Happy's voice... Bob L. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 20:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Tachyon mail Hi! I would like to point out that there is a Tachyon mail service already: the Internet, at least via the gateway Delphi uses. I get most mail backwards, so that #1 in my box is the most recent one to be sent to me and #37 is the first to reach me after the last time I logged off. Henceforth, I get the replies to posts before the actual posts being replied to. Makes net.life quite interesting, believe me! Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 20:36 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: tachyons, Once and for All... Tachyons, simply stated, are things used a lot in Star Trek, The Next Generation. Quite often, Geordi has to create a tachyon field, or. in some cases, have himself bombarded by tachyons in order to resolve the plot, whatever it may be. There. Nothing to it, really. Actually, that is a bit simplistic. Tachyons were invented in 1957 by General Foods. They were to be a breakthrough in breakfast cereals. However, it was quickly discovered that boxes of Tachyons would simply disappear after a short time, and I mean literally disappear. Not the kind of inventory a major food manufacturer wamts! Recently researchers in Egypt, while searching for the Lost Ark, uncovered ancient ruins which were basically warehouses full of boxes of Tachyons. Apparently the disappearing boxes had travelled backwards through time and space, winding up in ancient Egypt. It has been speculated that Tachyons were used to feed the slaves, thus giving them the power to build the pyramids, but this has no basis in scientific fact. All these facts you will find in no book. They wouldn't let me print a book like this; it would revolutionize Humanity. And that begs the question: Where do people come from? Professor Hoople of the Hoople School says they come from all over. They come from Toronto, from Chicago, and so forth. This has a sound scientific basis. Professor Whipple of the Whipple Academy says that they come from other people. This too has a sound scientific basis. Now there are two types of people. There are single people and there are double people. Single people are not married. Double people have two heads and four arms; then again everybody's got forearms... Some people think there's a man in the moon. I disagree. I claim there must also be a woman in the moon; otherwise, how could there be a sun? I know this is true, because I just came back from a small town. It was so small the mice were stoop-shouldered. When I plugged in my razor to shave, the trolley stopped! And there is still no sign of RhodeSongs in the local record boutique! Happy tachyon emmissions! Bob the quite mad and, loving it! ======================================================================== From: robert@lemuria@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 22:09 EDT Hmmm. Very strange. I sent this message out an hour ago and apparently it bounced on the entire net! I had 94 separate "Returned Mail" of this (so far). Could this be Divine Retribution for my previous post? Anyway, I'll try again: > I remember reading a bit on thunderstorms in here recently, and was it > Vickie who said that she hadn't seen a good one since she moved to > Chicago? I would say the storm that ripped through here yesterday > was notable, wasn't it?! > > It was pretty neat because I had turned on Rearmament and by the time > 'Til Dawn Breaks came on, the storm was in full force and it was > wonderful -- live thunder and lightning all through her heavenly > voice. It was haunting, but yummy! > > See ya! > > -chip You know, when Chris Boek was here we had a humdinger of a ThunderStorm rip through, and I put on Til The Dawn Breaks and it was great but all of a sudden a bolt of lightning struck nearby and power went out for a second, shutting off the CD player and amp. Oh well! I guess Mother Nature was jealous of Happy's voice... Bob L. ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)