Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #715 ecto, Number 715 Tuesday, 24 August 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Getting on AG's mailing list Sandy Denny Re: *** MESSAGE FROM HAPPY *** Re: My habit of criticizing music Re: Sandy Denny Re: Street festival, cool music store folks, and German broadcasting Re: Getting on AG's mailing list Sinead English Schools Re: HAPPY songs, part 17 ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 01:41:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Getting on AG's mailing list Please note that if you want to continue receiving newsletters from the Ville de Bears they need a check for $2 to help them cover mailing costs. It's the first time I've had to pay for a subscription to a commercial newsletter, but hey, I understand the need for it. I work for a non-profit literary magazine and the mail really adds up, especially as I pay for it myself. BTW, I'm listening to _The Lion and the Cobra_ for the first time in ages. I know it's fashionable to dislike Sinead, but this is still a *fantastic* album. "Troy" "I Want Your Hands On Me", etc. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 01:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Sandy Denny I've been meaning to write this for a couple of weeks, ever since Vickie posted about buying Sandy Denny's _Rendezvous_ and not liking it much. I am a big Sandy Denny fan, and have been since the 70s and I still don't own a copy of either _Rendezvous_ or _Like An Old Fashioned Waltz_, but the rest of her stuff I wouldn't be without. Those are the only two albums that are produced that cheesily and make it hard for even Sandy's stupendous voice to shine through. It's too bad that they are the only two albums that have been readily available in the U.S. in the last few years. Luckily, some of her other work can be found now, like _The Raven and the North Star Grassmen_ and _Sandy_ and Fotheringay's self-titled collection and Fairport Convention's _Liege and Lief_ which is the best electric folk album of the century, I swear it. There are even two discs of her early work available, _The Original Sandy Denny_ and _Sandy Denny and the Strawbs_, any of which I'd recommend before _Rendezvous_ and _Waltz_. And of course there's the box, _Who Knows Where the Time Goes_. Anyway, the point of all this is that if _Rendezvous_ and/or _Waltz_ are the only Sandy Denny someone's ever heard, s/he would have a much different view of her work than someone who has had the opportunity to hear the other work. "Tam Lin" is a song I first heard in about 1977 and I haven't stopped playing it since. Sandy Denny's voice is something not to be missed, even for those who don't much like folk music, and I'd hate for someone who has only heard her over-produced material from those two albums to judge her on those. If you are at all interested and if you get a chance, take a listen to her other discs. There's even a _Best of_ selection from the cuts from the boxed sets available from Ryko. There's even a used copy coming up at a local disc store that I finally sold (sob) when Jim assured me that with the box set I didn't need it. But what if, I said, and he said you can just play the 3 discs instead of 1, Neile. So I let it go. _Liege and Lief_ in first the vinyl that I worse out and now the disc have probably had more plays on my stereo than any other music I've owned, and not only because I've owned it so long. She's a goddess, too, though she did play a lot of covers. In the pantheon I'd say she's Persephone, because though she's dead her voice is *alive*. --End of passionate plea-- --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 23 Aug 93 10:19 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: *** MESSAGE FROM HAPPY *** > So if any of you can post/mail me a list of > songs that have "happy" in the lyrics somewhere, > I'd appreciate it! So far I have: And I find: "Standing Stones" (Parallel Dreams, Loreena McKennitt) "Wexford Carol" (To Drive the Cold Winter Away, Loreena McKennitt) "Kashka From Baghdad" (Lionheart, Kate Bush) "Pull Out The Pin" (The Dreaming, Kate Bush) "Sat In Your Lap" (The Dreaming, Kate Bush) "Between A Man And A Woman" (The Sensual World, Kate Bush) "Never Be Mine" (The Sensual World, Kate Bush) "Games Without Frontiers" (III, Peter Gabriel) "Auf'm Friedhof" (Nina Hagen Band, Nina Hagen) "Happy Phantoms" (Little Earthquakes, Tori Amos) "Happy Birthday" (anywhere, anyone) Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 23 Aug 93 15:57 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: My habit of criticizing music > Uli wrote: > >See? German 'Meer' is Englih 'sea', German 'See' is English 'lake'. Well... > > German 'der See' means 'lake', but 'die See' means 'sea'. I knew that I forgot something... At least 'deN See' is accusative of 'der See', and so it's really 'lake', not 'sea'. ;-) Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 5:29:59 EDT From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Sandy Denny i (as usual) utterly and completely agree with Neile: >Fairport Convention's _Liege and Lief_ which is the best electric >folk album of the century, I swear it. yup. no doubt at all. none. >BTW, I'm listening to _The Lion and the Cobra_ for the first time in >ages. I know it's fashionable to dislike Sinead, but this is still a >*fantastic* album. "Troy" "I Want Your Hands On Me", etc. yup. yup yup. i was just quoting Neile, just minutes ago, to the Tribe mailing list: >I have to confess. Your post on Tribe made me force the people I was >out with tonight to stop at Tower. I just happened to find Sleeper >there and just happened to walk up to the cashier credit cards in >hand, you know the old story...I've played the disc 4 times already >tonight. Luckily Jim's already gone to bed. > >This is the stuff of obsession. yup yup yup. to lessen the wear on my computer's key, i will agree in advance to the next three things Neile says... now, what *i* say three times MUST be footah! -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Street festival, cool music store folks, and German broadcasting Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 10:24:18 +0100 From: Stephen Thomas Vickie does her thang: >That is so bizarre, I've never been able to figure that out. For instance, >in the UK (or is it just England that does this) they call private >schools "Public" schools (as in, the boys from Genesis, sans Phil, went >to Charterhouse, a "Public" school, This has always confused me, too. And I live here. >which in America (& Canada?) would >be called a "Private" school because it's mainly for monied upper-crusters, >while poor and most middle class folk goes to "Public" schools which I >don't know what are called in the Land'o'Kate.) Generally "State schools". There are many shades of these. I went to what was called a "Comprehensive" (because it provided a comprehensive education). In general I've always thought of "Public schools" as privately run schools where the kids lived, as well as attended classes. >Never mind...I'm confused. Me too. >Vickie >********************************************************************** > Add to this list (and feel free to correct mistakes) >********************************************************************** >America Canada UK Europe Australia >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Private Public > schools schools >Erasers Rubbers >Elevators Lifts >Apartments Flats >Cookies Biscuits >Biscuits Cookies >Jelly Jam >Jello Jelly Why not? Sidewalk Pavement Pavement Road (I think) Keep well Stephen -- | "I am here to drive you to the | Stephen Thomas------------------------| | border of insanity and take notes" | Computing Dept, Univ. of Nottingham | | -- Happy Rhodes, "Cohabitation" | University Park, Nottingham, UK. | | | Tel: +44 (0)602 514217 | ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Street festival, cool music store folks, and German broadcasting Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 10:24:18 +0100 From: Stephen Thomas Vickie does her thang: >That is so bizarre, I've never been able to figure that out. For instance, >in the UK (or is it just England that does this) they call private >schools "Public" schools (as in, the boys from Genesis, sans Phil, went >to Charterhouse, a "Public" school, This has always confused me, too. And I live here. >which in America (& Canada?) would >be called a "Private" school because it's mainly for monied upper-crusters, >while poor and most middle class folk goes to "Public" schools which I >don't know what are called in the Land'o'Kate.) Generally "State schools". There are many shades of these. I went to what was called a "Comprehensive" (because it provided a comprehensive education). In general I've always thought of "Public schools" as privately run schools where the kids lived, as well as attended classes. >Never mind...I'm confused. Me too. >Vickie >********************************************************************** > Add to this list (and feel free to correct mistakes) >********************************************************************** >America Canada UK Europe Australia >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Private Public > schools schools >Erasers Rubbers >Elevators Lifts >Apartments Flats >Cookies Biscuits >Biscuits Cookies >Jelly Jam >Jello Jelly Why not? Sidewalk Pavement Pavement Road (I think) Keep well Stephen -- | "I am here to drive you to the | Stephen Thomas------------------------| | border of insanity and take notes" | Computing Dept, Univ. of Nottingham | | -- Happy Rhodes, "Cohabitation" | University Park, Nottingham, UK. | | | Tel: +44 (0)602 514217 | ======================================================================== From: Mike Matthews Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 08:02:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Getting on AG's mailing list Neile writes: >BTW, I'm listening to _The Lion and the Cobra_ for the first time in ages. >I know it's fashionable to dislike Sinead, but this is still a *fantastic* >album. "Troy" "I Want Your Hands On Me", etc. Fashionable? Pah. That's an amazing album, and so is her other stuff (although I'm not that crazy about .... oh, what's the latest one called, "Am I Not Your Girl?"? That one). I for one am not into fashions. Come to think of it, this list by its very nature seems to be not into "fashions" -- just unbiased appraisals of great music. :-) >--Neile >neile@u.washington.edu Mike ======================================================================== Subject: Sinead Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 08:34:59 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >>BTW, I'm listening to _The Lion and the Cobra_ for the first time in ages. >>I know it's fashionable to dislike Sinead, but this is still a *fantastic* >>album. "Troy" "I Want Your Hands On Me", etc. > >Fashionable? Pah. Yeah. What he said. I remember hearing something vague about how I wasn't supposed to like Sinead anymore or somesuch nonsense, but I ignored it. "LatC" is one of the best albums of the '80s. Period. No question. >I for one am not into fashions. That's for sure. Mike's the one who has a tape with _Lion and the Cobra_ on one side and _Wilson Phillips_ on the other. A sick combination if ever *I* heard! "Come on baby, come on baby, lay your hands on me..." Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 14:02:54 BST From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Subject: English Schools Vickie said: > That is so bizarre, I've never been able to figure that out. For instance, > in the UK (or is it just England that does this) they call private > schools "Public" schools (as in, the boys from Genesis, sans Phil, went > to Charterhouse, a "Public" school, which in America (& Canada?) would > be called a "Private" school because it's mainly for monied upper-crusters, > while poor and most middle class folk goes to "Public" schools which I > don't know what are called in the Land'o'Kate.) A "public" school in the US = A "state" school in England & Wales. The education system in Scotland is rather different and they might have different nomenclature there (I don't know for sure). Geoff Parks (who received an AG newsletter a couple of days ago despite being previously unaware of their existence - not that he's complaining!) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 24 Aug 93 09:05:03 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: HAPPY songs, part 17 >DATE: Tue, 24 Aug 93 3:17:26 EDT >FROM: WretchAwry > >Neal orgs: >> Vickie - A true author in everyone's mind but her own. What was that you >> said about self-esteem, hmmmmm. I guess we're probably all sycophants >> here (or is that just nice people), so I don't know if our opinions are >> worth too much (except for dirk of course). Maybe we should form a sycophant >> support group? > >I looked up that word! (Though it was after I was past this post and I kept >trying to find "syncophant" and it wasn't in the dictionary and I couldn't >figure it out and Chris looked it up in his CD-Rom dictionary and he couldn't >find it either and we thought you just made it up but it sounded so familar >and we thought we'd heard the word before and we just didn't know what to do >but then Chris realized that it was syc instead of syn and so he looked it >up in his thingy and there it was and I looked it up in my thiny and there it >was and so we were relieved that you hadn't made it up and Chris was deligt- >ing in his spiffy new dictionary program which is a talking dictionary and >when you look up a word a voice actually says the word so we were listening >to this voice saying "sycophant" and we looked up other words to see how >they were pronounced and were having fun hearing the voice say all kinds of >naughty words and getting our cheap thrills for the evening and by the time >that bit of entertainment played itself out I plumb forgot what sycophant >meant. I'll look it up later. In the meantime, you're *all* nice people!) > >Vickie "Suddenly your sycophant is chanting slogans at your door" Bangles ("The Hero Takes a Fall") Dennis Parslow "I'm glad I not here over satellite, because Troy, NY 12180 that seems to really weird you out!" p00421@psilink.com Kate Bush (referring to Gary Numan) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)