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                            ecto, Number 701

                         Friday, 13 August 1993

                             Today's Topics:
                           *-----------------*
                               FWD>picture
                        Re: Covers and Producers
                              Re: your mail
                                monsters
                         "More"--Samuel Gompers

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Date: 13 Aug 1993 13:52:21 U
From: "Christine Waite" <waite@axon.rutgers.edu>
Subject: FWD>picture

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                      FWD>picture
   MEMO FROM
   JAVED HUQ                                                1:31 PM    8/13/93
Hi all...Here's a scanned in picture of me...from two years ago, but its still
me... :)

Christine :)

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From: jk101920@ee.tut.fi (Kannisto Juha)
Subject: Re: Covers and Producers
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 21:56:47 EET DST

Dirk writes:

> Hi,
>
> phew, I'm up-to-date with the digests, again.
> I like to throw in my opinion about covers and producers:
>
> COVERS: I'm convinced that the monsters are responsible for the
> commercial failure of Happy's albums, esp. =P. An album is a product
> and the cover is the packing of the product. The packing is the
> optical representation of the product and shall stimulate the
> customer to buy the product.

Dirk,
I'm sure Happy doesn't feel about her own monster-art as an
'optical representation of the product', and yes, we're talking about
art here. I used to make very abstract paintings myself and although
most of the people didn't really like them, for me they were pretty
precious in a way. I also feel very dearly about my poetry, and I'm
sure it doesn't appeal to a whole lot of people :) What I'm trying
to say is this, Happy is a multi-talented artist and even if all of
us appreciate her for her skills in music rather than those in drawing,
it's still a part of her and probably the only way to get her drawings
published is to have them as album covers. I really appreciate the
fact that she has shown us those drawings. I like the covers of
Ecto, Rhodes I and II, but I must say that the cover of Equipoise
is a bit 'ugly'. Still, how many of us go and buy cds by totally
unfamiliar musicians just because they have neat covers?
I don't believe the covers have THAT much to do with the commercial
failure of the albums. I just had to write about this again as I
feel that so many of you seem to completely forget that this is HER
art and it must be important to her, precious to her. I for one would
love to see more of her monsters in the future instead of some
pictures that try to 'optimize' the sales and have no real meaning at all.
To me there are no products, there's just art.

> Imagine yourself entering a perfumery and standing in front of a long
> shelf full of small scent-bottles. You will first grab the most
> interesting looking bottle and try the scent of the perfume. You'll
> never try a bottle with a monster on it, will you? I'm often entering
> a record store without any idea what to buy. Then I'm cluelessly
> searching through the bins and my only lead are the covers.
> (I love most of the 4AD or David Sylvian's covers)
> It's very annoying that the cover of Y Kant Tori Read prevented me from
> buying it a few years ago :-( I held it in my hands but I thought
> "No, this can't be good, it looks cheap."
> We all know the concept behind Happy's covers but monsters are definitely
> allied to heavy metal and will mislead customers and clerks.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> || \\\\\       ||  /////        | dkastens@dosuni1.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE
> ||  ))))) IRK  || ((((( ASTENS  | "Music's the way, the only way I know"
> || /////       ||  \\\\\        |             Happy Rhodes
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

It's sad that monsters are 'allied' to heavy metal and the like,
all the more so when you consider that very few metal bands nowadays
have monsters in their album covers. Somebody whose opinion I respect
a whole lot said: 'You must fight for your right to have monsters!'
Yes, I believe Tori was right :) I hope I remembered the words right.
I feel like hitting someone in the head with a bible now, haha.
Monsters are nice! Think positively. I think I've now finally said
all I have to say on this particular subject, it's a bit worn out.
Happy writes lovely lyrics, that's probably something we can all agree
upon! :) I promise to give up on this subject now, ok?

Love to all,
Juha
--
Juha Kannisto    O jk101920@cc.tut.fi O I have a friend in Phobos          O
Savikukonkatu 21 O jk101920@ee.tut.fi O At times I think I'm almost there  O
33530 Tampere    O jk101920@cs.tut.fi O                   * Happy Rhodes * O
Finland          O +358-31-560941     O                     ~~~~~~~~~~~~   O


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 12:51:17 PDT
From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon)
Subject: Re: your mail

Steve exclaimed:

>Prague is the capital of the Czech Republic.  I've no idea which city
>is capital of Slovakia.

Bratislava.

D^2

Or should I say, "What is Bratislava?"  :)


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 16:17:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: RIDLEY@zasu.sprl.umich.edu
Subject: monsters

Well, hello.

Here are my thoughts on the monsters...

It seems to me that the covers represent the inner turmoil that is expressed
on the albums. She has half of herself that she veiws as very beautiful and
presious (and is the hight pitched voice on the album) and the other side of
herself is scary. It is hatred and pain and anger. This is the lower pitched
voice on the albums.

The covers are easily understood once the album is listened to.

But people wouldn't bye the album just for the covers, I think. I like them,
though.

Aaron Ridley
ridley@zasu.sprl.umich.edu


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 15:03:04 CDT
From: <U15289@uicvm.bitnet>
Subject: "More"--Samuel Gompers

Jessica falafels:

>You know, I can't find my Equipoise..  and while I do think I like
>Warpaint better overall, it is driving nuts that I can't find
>Equipoise. I keep wanting to listen to it.

I know the feeling.  I haven't been able to locate my copy since a week or two
after I got it, when I put it on tape so as to be able to listen on my walkman.
I later needed that tape for other purposes, and recorded over most of it; so
it may be just as well that I'm not too severely addicted to EQP. :-)

While we're on the subject, the storewide sale at Rose Records is on through
the 22nd of this month.  For all I know, they could even get _Rhodes Songs_ in
before it's over, enabling Chicago ectophiles to pick it up for less.

WRT the ruminations on what numerous call letters mean:  What can be read into
them _sui generis_ can sometimes be more fun than what they really mean, esp-
ecially if they don't mean anything in the first place.  Case in point:  after
KGO in San Francisco became notorious for its sensationalist approach to the
news, the wags of Northern California achieved a consensus that the call really
stood for "Kickers, Guts and Orgasms." :-)  Go figure.

Jessica should probably steer clear of joining the live audiences for the
Garrison Keillor show, lest she be sighted and cited as an object lesson in
their running gag about Bad Haircuts :-).

Anthony Horan quotes somebody:

> }* On one single song, Jane manages to sound like herself, Happy,
> }Ingrid, Kate, and the woman who sang for Black Box. Versatility
> }rules. :)

Depends on whether the reference is to Katrin, who sang for BB ostensibly, or
to Martha Wash, who did so in actuality.

Dirk wrote:

>It's very annoying that the cover of Y Kant Tori Read prevented me from
>buying it a few years ago :-( I held it in my hands but I thought
>"No, this can't be good, it looks cheap."

Apparently some people disagreed initially, because they bought it, but soon
came around in their thinking and unloaded the product on used shops far and
wide; so that when I finally got my copy, it _was_ cheap :-).  And while it
isn't as bad as many people think it is, neither is it anywhere near as good,
in an absolute sense, as what Tori's come up since.  Wonder, too, how many
sales were lost because she was mistaken for one more Prince protege.

>We all know the concept behind Happy's covers but monsters are
>definitely
>allied to heavy metal and will mislead customers and clerks.

More worrisome, IMHO WIVH, is that heavy metal is now allied to Beavis
and Butt-Head :-) (cf. the current _Rolling Stone_, which also has a good
feature on PJ Harvey).

Christine Waite has shared the folllowing with us all:

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>
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>
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>
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Makes what I write in these pages seem easy to follow by comparison :-).
The double-spacing does make it more legible :-).  The last line-plus
reminds me of the great words of John Goodman in _Barton Fink_:  "Sounds like
you feel pretty strongly about it." :-).  Or was the unexpurgated version too
explicit for a family mailing list? :-)  (Not being able to crunch uu code on
this system, all this was the only use I could think of to put it to :-).)

WRT Steve Fagg's latest exegesis of the time situation at his end:  Sounds like
Britain is the Indiana of Europe, time-wise.  At least the status quo is sim-
pler than during the war years, when the operative form of summer time was two
hours ahead of standard.  On the other hand, a uniform European time standard,
had it been in efect then, would have made impossible the episode of _The Pris-
oner_ in which #6 first thinks he's escaped successfully to London, then
figures out he's been had by the fact that Big Ben rang in synch with the watch
given him by an ostensible confederate in Eastern Europe, whereas the true
London time was an hour earlier.

Be seeing you :-).

                                                   Mitch

--------------------------------
In memory of James Jordan

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an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things
you'd like to have added.
		    -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)