Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #695 ecto, Number 695 Tuesday, 10 August 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* ecto #689 Re: brni project Siouxsee STORY dates whee Re: Tribe SGT, used singles, etc. Paradise postponed for prolixity Rainbirds, "In A Different Light" Bowie tapes unhinged Victoria Williams fans (fwd) Re: HR^5 Re: Production (was Re: Happy Rhodes!) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:19:07 EDT From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: ecto #689 >...wandering around the airport and he was real nice and has a cute >accent, so I ingratiated myself, showed him the Cool Thing at the >airport and brough him home with me. Turns out he likes Kate and >Peter and Happy too! Isn't that great?! He's very polite and I >can play any kind of music I want to. I've already played both >Victoria Williams albums, and now he's blowing up balloons and >listening to Ashley Maher. Airports are wonderful things! (SteveF, >I also made him ride on the People Mover with me :-)) > Does that mean I have another order for a tape to pass on when Chris is in Philly? I had a recent scare when Ilka reported that Virgin had deleted Ashley Maher's albums in the UK. Fortunately it seems to be a false alarm, and they were just changing numbers or somesuch, though it seems that there still difficult to find even in the UK. Tim found a copy of Pomegranate, shich he's bringing over for me. I think I'll pass that one on to Meredith so she can play it on her show. I'd really like to get one of the albums to give to Mike Morrison and WXPN, so as to get her played on World Cafe. If that happened then someone would probably start importing the albums. I liked your post on June Cleaver btw, though I must admit to being rather tv-illiterate (i-tv-erate?), and never having seen her. Occasionally I think I should get a tv, just so I can see Northern Exposure or the other various programs that people talk about and I've never seen. Then I think of how many cds I can get for the price of a tv, and decide it's not worth it. back to ecto-catch-up-mode... bye for now, -Anthony ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:54:49 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: brni project > Say, I live near brni and expect to see him next week, when Christo > arrives in our neck of the woods. And I have a printer, so if you want, > why not send your greetings and condolences to me? Makes sense to me... Good idea! > Jessica, I did indeed get digest 691 the first time around. weird. > And while I have your attention: > Someone a few messages ago was looking for a great voice... yes.. but I did sing with him once, and I guess he wasn't as impressed as brni :) Also my personal life might be a little too messed up to make it worthwhile. > Sorry to hear your bassist moved to Texas. What type of band are you in? Hmm, i hate trying to describe our music :) greg writes it so maybe he could do a better job of describing it. If we sounded a lot like tribe, we'd be happy, I'll just say that :) my voice is rather different from janet's though. I'm getting better at singing lower, but i prefer to sing more like sarah mclachlan. No, i shouldn't say tha.t I *love* singing low, it feels nice. But i've more experience singing high. > Frequent gigs or play for the fun of it? right now, not much at all. when we get a new bass player, and then (or before, i suppose!) a drummer, we'd like very much to start playing live as often as possible. I'd also really like to record an album within a year of really getting the band together. > Thanks everyone, and remember: Call those stations and support Happy! > Bob L. I heard "ashes to ashes" on WXPN this afternoon. The DJ said "I like that version better, becuase I can understand the words". jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:34:15 EDT From: Laura Frank Clifford Subject: Siouxsee Dennis Parslow says: >>SIOUXSIE AND THE BANSHEES: "Kiss Them For Me" (Superstition) > >The one S&B album that I like the least-I think they sold out and went >pop, but have been unable to convince anyone else of this as of yet. I >prefer the older stuff from The Scream, etc. ("Metal Postcard", >"Suburban Relapse", and, of course, the charming cover of "Helter Skelter" Well you've found someone that agrees with you, even if you didn't convince me. The last Siouxsie album I liked was the live one (Hyaena?). I just recently got the video collection 'Twice ...' and only liked the first 3 videos (the older ones)! Recent CD shopping - picked up the 'This Mortal Coil' box set which I love! The Proclaimers' first album -- also great stuff. And Bjork's 'Debut' which I'm not immediately grabbed by, although I really like 'There's Gotta Be More To Life Than This'. I've only given it one listen so far, though. Somehow this album almost struck me as a bit pretentious, but I'm not quite sure what I mean by that :-) Laura P.S. to Liz Bonesteel - i hate Banyan's mail system - still trying to get through to you... ======================================================================== Date: 10 Aug 93 16:08:33 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: STORY dates Thanks to Jeff Kellem for posting Story Tour Info. I take it they are not appearing Chicago 8/11 but I will still call Tower and ask them. > 8/14: Mt. Vernon, OH Memorial Theatre Does anyone know exactly where in OH this is? > o _Grace in Gravity_ is the title of the first albume and is w i d e l y > available Vickie had the original Green Linnet CD and it was GORGEOUS, booklet and all. Hope I can find one used somewhere. > o Patty Larkin has a gorgeous new album called _Angels Running_. Just > released on Windham Hill, it features wonderful new songs by Patty with > arrangements and production by Ben Wisch and John Leventhal and > background vocals by _the story_ Wow! Cool! I love Patty Larkin, though her last CD was a little bit disappointing. I will definitely be on the lookout for this one, though. Lot's of talent in Boston, ay? Maybe I'll move there. -mjm ======================================================================== Subject: whee Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 16:18:01 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Welp, Beth and I are definitely going to Aimee Mann on Friday. I'm sure Mike will be pleased about that. ;-) Unfortunately, going to that show precludes going to see not only Tribe open for the Odds on Sunday, but *also* Suddenly, Tammy! Wow! What a double bill (we're not *really* counting the Odds as part of the show, are we?) However, having only heard the S,T! album once and having never heard Tribe, I'm not too heartbroken about picking the one show over the other. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ======================================================================== From: Ethan Douglas Straffin Subject: Re: Tribe Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Neile writes: > At a local used disc store I found a Tribe disc I'd never heard of. It's > called _Here at the Home_ and was put out by Rutabaga Records in 1990. > About half of the songs also appear on _Abort_. > > I'm wondering if this is a rarity or not (maybe I should just email them). You DID pick it up, right? I'd kill for this disc...it's been out of print since '91 or so and is supposedly difficult to find even in Boston. The songs are NOT the same as the versions on _Abort_; the _HatH_ versions are supposedly more raw, less produced, and (many have said) better. ObHappy: I'm currently trying to put Happy's best stuff on a single tape for a friend. (Of course I made her promise to buy some of the discs if she likes the music!) It's not easy...so many wonderful choices... Ethan ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 13:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: SGT, used singles, etc. Oops--sorry about the Single Gun Theory inclusion on the Canadian sampler. I did indeed assume that since they had recorded in Vancouver they were Canadian. I should know better than that because Mecca Normal is from Vancouver, B.C. (there's another Vancouver in Washington State which is why I specify this) and as far as I know they've been exclusively released on U.S. indie labels and there are lots of similar examples. Anyway, The Single Gun Theory inclusion will be erased--thanks for the pointer about it. Oh, and FYI, Neile is she--I mean sheesh, didn't you notice the "e" on the end of my name? (Don't worry I get this all the time--either that or people think I just can't spell my own name and it's really Nellie). An offer for anyone interested: Today I spotted 3 copies of a The Story CD single and now of course I forgot to write down the name of it, but it is just a radio edit of what is supposed to be their first single from the new album. That's the only cut on it, and the discs are $.98. Does anyone want me to pick it up for them? They also had Tribe's "Red Rover" for the same price. Again, that's the only cut on the disc. Does anyone want that? If you do, email me at neile@u.washington.edu and I'll get 'em for you. It sounds like Mitch could add a couple of songs to the Canadian sampler. Anyone else want to pick up on a couple? Beth? Tim? --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:11:54 CDT From: Subject: Paradise postponed for prolixity Late this morning, as I read through the daily posts up to that time, I got the impression that there was enough there to respond to with _Bon mots_ to create a lengthy post rivalling those of my glory days of lengthy posts mostly cobbled together from responses to fragments of other people's posts. It was not to be, however, inasmuch as a system crash caused the file in which I had saved all the posts since yesterday to be lost. _Ergo_, this will be shorter than I had planned. It was indeed a good interview that _All Things Considered_ did with Liz Phair yesterday. Unfortunately, my tape has all the multipath that comes with listening on certain portions of the #37 bus route, and it diverts my concent- ration from parts of the interview itself. Oh well... This afternoon's _Fresh Air_ had an interview with Dave Marsh on his new book on the real history of "Louie, Louie." Some of the covers done of that song have been truly Kafkaesque. I went to Tower yesterday to try to get my hands on the _Homeground_ with the Happy interview, but the latest thgey had was Winter '92. They said they expected the new one in next week. Go figure. I was able to pick up the new Jane Siberry CD, plus another whose title I can't for the life of me remember at the moment, so it wasn't a total waste. Wishing Brni an expeditious recovery. Retroactive (to last Sunday) birthday greetings to Linda Ellerbee. Mitch ======================================================================== Subject: Rainbirds, "In A Different Light" From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 23:23:23 GMT Jens and I already mentioned the new Rainbirds album, so here is some more information about it. The title is "In A Different Light" (13 songs, 53 minutes). The name of the current single is "Devil's Dance", my favourite song on the album, and probably as close to "Cohabitants" as Rainbirds will ever get. Rainbirds today are again Katharina Franck and Ulrike Haage, like on the previous release "Two Faces", and the arrangements are similar, they haven't returned to their guitarband times. Because of that, and as "Two Faces" is my favourite album by them, my expectations for their 4th album were high. Unfortunately they were not able to live up to them, and although it is a pretty good album, it is probably my least favourite by them. So what is different? There are some changes I like. They aren't only singing in English. There's a song in Portugese (our first guess was Swedish, probably because there are a lot of similarities to a couple of Marie Fredriksons songs) and one in French. For the first time, I think, they are not only playing their own songs, but two covers. "Ain't It Strange" byt Patti Smith and "In Heaven" by David Lynch. There is also an instrumental, "Sommernachtstraum". What I don't like that much is that they seem to concentrate more on the music. Katharina's voice is as good as ever, but it is my impression that they put it more in the background. It also shows they have been doing a lot of theatre music recently. The feeling of the whole album has a more serious touch than the playfulness they showed before. But as I said, it's still a good album, but I wouldn't recommend it for first listening. "Einstuerzende Neubauten"s drummer FM Einheit is also supporting the Rainbirds with his stones, and like on "Two Faces" there are a lot more musicians to support them. The CD comes with an extensive booklet, well actually not in booklet form but one multiply folded piece of paper, with all the lyrics and lots of nice pictures. Katharina and Ulrike dress up in several costumes with elaborate/exotic/detailed backgrounds. Full details are available in the updated Rainbirds discography. If you haven't seen it on rec.music.info, or can't FTP it from the music archive, let me know and I'll mail you a copy. Let me finish this review with the lyrics from "Devil's Dance", as a kind of extended signature. ;) Devil's Dance (Haage/Franck) the girl would lay awake all night until she finds that she just might flip the coin so to decide which way she was to turn dead and gone and free from sin free from sin and dead and gone or up and go and here to stay with nowhere to remain I come a long way, come a long way come a long way just to say that this heart of mine is torn and it's bleeding I come a long way, come a long way come a long way just to say that this heart of mine is torn but it's still beating boom boom ain't it a shame how everytime the world comes rushing in on you comes squeezing through your open mind starts pushing you around 'round and 'round the giant wheel keeps turning in your memory just when you were about to know the words that could explain I come a long way, come a long way come a long way just to say that I miss you, I miss you I wanna kiss you I come a long way, come a long way come a long way just to say hey hey, beep beep, hough! I'm moving in boom boom chica boom boom chica boom boom there's a devil singing in the yard of my heart sounds like treason boom boom chica boom boom chica boom boom there's a devil dancing in the yard of my heart and I forget the reason ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 16:56:44 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: Bowie tapes unhinged Klaus > I've got the CD of Ziggy Stardust that is not on Ryko. They were sort of rare for a while when no Bowie was being produced, and I kept it in the face of Ryko's kind offer to supply new Rykodiscs of whatever old Bowie discs were sent in. I don't know if that makes it more rare and valuable or if it just makes me stupid, but I don't see them in used stores, just the Ryko versions. I've been meaining to buy them (Ryko) myself, because they sound phenomenal, hundreds of times better. I listened to Ryko's Changes and could tell, even without having listened to the other discs in months, how vastly superior it is. Ryko did a stupendous job packaging and cleaning up the Bowie stuff, and if the non-Ryko stuff has no collector value, I'd say stick to Ryko. (Maybe they'd be a good home for Happy.) I've been meaning to mention this great tape offer I had been noticing in my local record store. 3 packs of TDK 110 minute metal tapes were selling for $9.50, with a 5 dollar off coupon inside. This store is willing to open it up and take the 5 bucks off right there, which is $1.50 for long metal tapes. Actually, I've kind of wondered if these will be ok in the long run. The old 120s were awful, but I figured they must have worked out the bugs in the last 10 years, so I'm hoping the 110s will hold out. How do these prices compare to the bulk buying? If they can be beat, can someone post some good places to order tapes from. I was insulting Nathalie Archangel the other week, but one good thing came out of me buying that disc. I took it home, disliked it, and promptly broke one of the hinges off the case, thus losing a buck in the trade in process (or at least that was the standard some number of years ago. I am very sticky fingered and rarely trade in anything.) Anyway, superglue fixed it up but good. It's held for a week and seems as good as used. Now I'm kicking myself for All those other times when I've chucked the hinge in disgust. I was unhinged, but now I'm rehinged, Neal chucked the hinge in disgust ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 01:12 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Victoria Williams fans (fwd) I just thought I should forward what I found on alt.music.alternative: In alt.music.alternative article Jamie wrote: > Just a little note for you... She sings backup on the upcomming 'Joe Henery' > Mammoth release. Just got the advance copy today so I haven't had a chance > to check it out.. > > Jamie Pooton > Mammoth Records Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 21:16 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: HR^5 BTW: Since I'm working on my Kate discography again: Should I include HR^5's acoustic Feed The Fire to the 'cover versions' list? Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 21:11 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: HR^5 Br?an answered: > Uli asked: > > Seems like noone here has looked through all the credits on HR^5. What has > > Kate Bush Music ltd. to do with the acoustic version of Feed The Fire?!?!? > > I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly sure that it's due to the > line from RUTH that was used (and sounding hauntingly like KaTe herself!) OKOKOK - I admit it - I am DEAF! It just slipped through. Sorry... > Okay, what to I have to do to get Happy to do a 'Don't Give Up' cover, > dammit? :) How about making a deal with god? Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 21:21 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Production (was Re: Happy Rhodes!) > Hm... excuse my ignorance but what is AOR? I've heard the term but I don't > think we use it up here in Canada. Anyway, that's why I put the > caveat in, for a label that respects their artists. Granted, that may be > an oxymoron. AOR? That's (if you're questioning an IBM painframe person) an Application Only Region... Sorry, Uli ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)