Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #688 ecto, Number 688 Friday, 6 August 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* my two sense... sampler for bel canto fan Re: Jane (is Jesus) Re: Champagne Jam, 8/3/93 Re: Happy covers 10,000 Maniacs: requiescat in pace Anything to avoid working ADD TALBOTJ@RFERL.ORG Jane Siberry Re: Lookie what I found! A new fan Tribe, J. Siberry, H. Berry Re: as Klaus as Klaus can be ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 04:13:00 BST Subject: my two sense... Yes, Much talk these daze of covers and monsters. Over here on the Genie HR topic, someone was decrying the covers as well. He is a DJ at a San Luis Obispo station, and commented on how the staff was repulsed by the covers. But when they listened to the music...!!! My take is that Happy will be who she is and do what she does, and that's how it should be. I have never met a more fiercly independent soul, undoubtedly the result of a difficult life. I would take nothing from her, and she will be the master of her fate. Knowing her as I do, and being lucky enough to know other great talents, I find the sweetest music comes from those whose lives have been tested, and have stood up to the test. Happy's depth comes from experience beyond what most of us would want to endure, and by golly if she wants monsters on her albums, so let it be written, so let it be done! Yet I do understand the commercial inviability of it all. Perhaps this is a way of keeping her edge. Whatever she does, I count myself lucky to have heard this music. Yesterday I sat down with my bass and played along with the entire Ecto album, then HR5. That music is genius. Last night I dreamed I was in a band with Kevin. I may be over the edge, but I am having a good time! Hello you crazy monsters! Stephen in Nottingham, UK (say hello to the Merry Men!), Susanne asked me to tell you that the albums had been sent but I see you have them so never mind! Glad you're enjoying them. Vickie, I wish your show was available in this area. Is there a way to be syndicated within the realm of college radio? Better yet, could you get a job as one of those Radio Consultants who tell stations what to play? Guess I'm dreaming again. Doug, I'm sorry I have not yet sent the tapes for my HBP copy. I promise to send them next Monday. And Jeff, don't feel bad about the mail. We all do as well as we can, and life throws curve balls now and then. I for one am really looking forward to the HBP tapes. Are those GIFs recently sent special unix Gifs? I could not get them to read on my clone... Well, see you all soon. Thanks for lending an ear - er, eye. Take care all! Bob the prolix ======================================================================== Subject: sampler for bel canto fan Date: Fri, 06 Aug 93 00:57:44 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu I worked out a trade with a fellow for the Unicorn CD single (promo?) in which I'm sending him a tape, primarily of Tsunematsu Matsui's _Song of Joy_ and the "I'll Strangle You" single, both of which feature Anneli Drecker of Bel Canto on lead vox. In exchange for the CD, this fellow wanted at least 60 minutes of music, so I filled the other half of a 90 minute tape with Happy Rhodes. I was trying to pick tunes for a Bel Canto fan and this is the track list I came up with: I'm Going Back Lay Me Down He Will Come/The Flight Out LIke a Lamb Words Weren't Made for Cowards Warpaint To Be E. Mortal (cuts off after 5 minutes...) Tomorrow I'll probably listen to it at work and see how they go together. 'Twas a tough choice (I only actually had about 39 minutes available...) I'm listening to WIWaB for the 2nd or 3rd time tonight. I *love* it. I dig the hell out of "Temple," amongst others. Eno's touch is very noticeable in a subtle sort of way. ;-) Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1993 21:06:59 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Jane (is Jesus) Vickie sighs: > WOW! Oh, um....wow...mmmmmm.....WOW........ahhhhh...wow....huh?.... > .......uh....YOWIE.......ooooooohhh........ > ..WOW........mmmmmmm....meow.....wow, oh....WOW!!! Sounds like "When Harry Met Sally II" to me... :-) (Sorry Vickie, I couldn't resist :-) Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 06 Aug 93 01:37:43 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: Champagne Jam, 8/3/93 By the way, did I say "Nice show"? Dennis Parslow "I'm glad I not here over satellite, because Troy, NY 12180 that seems to really weird you out!" p00421@psilink.com Kate Bush (referring to Gary Numan) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 06 Aug 93 01:37:21 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: Champagne Jam, 8/3/93 >DATE: Thu, 05 Aug 1993 22:34:39 -0400 (EDT) >FROM: Suspended In Duct Tape > >Hi! > >CHAMPAGNE JAM >88.1FM, WESU-Middletown >Wesleyan University >Middletown, CT >Tuesday, August 3, 1993 >7-9PM >{stuff} >SIOUXSIE AND THE BANSHEES: "Kiss Them For Me" (Superstition) The one S&B album that I like the least-I think they sold out and went pop, but have been unable to convince anyone else of this as of yet. I prefer the older stuff from The Scream, etc. ("Metal Postcard", "Suburban Relapse", and, of course, the charming cover of "Helter Skelter" >JANE SIBERRY: "Temple" (When I Was A Boy) >HEIDI BERRY: "Distant Thunder" (Heidi Berry) >THE STORY: "So Much Mine" (The Angel In The House) Hmmm....and I still haven't gotten any of these yet...I'm getting slow... >KRISTEN HALL: "I Should Know" (Fact And Fiction) >HAPPY RHODES: "Ashes To Ashes" (HR5) > >AIMEE MANN: "Way Back When" (Whatever) >TIL TUESDAY: "Why Must I" (Everything's Different Now) >BOW WOW WOW: "I Want Candy" (I Want Candy) Now we're talking!!! >{much more stuff} >THE JULIANA HATFIELD THREE: "My Sister" (My Sister CD5) I really like this song...this album, the Story and Jane albums, and Curve's UK Radio Sessions are my next purchase along with... >LISA GERMANO: "Energy" (Happiness) >ARSON GARDEN: "This Chemical Draws" (Impossible Space CD5) >SUDDENLY, TAMMY!: "Plant Me" (Suddenly, Tammy!) ...woj had this kicking around, and put a song off the album on a tape he sent me, filling the list (please, no more...I just started a 401k plan, and I'm seeding it so I can get the good accounts, as well as paying out $500 on stupid tax (car repair for my hitting a pole while it wasn't looking). >JANE SIBERRY: "The Gospel According To Darkness" (When I Was A Boy) >KATE BUSH: "Jig of Life" (Hounds of Love) *sigh* Later folkses Dennis Parslow "I'm glad I not here over satellite, because Troy, NY 12180 that seems to really weird you out!" p00421@psilink.com Kate Bush (referring to Gary Numan) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1993 21:04:43 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Happy covers Juha writes: > is important too since she has used it in so many of the covers. Ok, so > I used to be a fan of Napalm Death and the like and I'm supposedly > used to these godawful speedmetal covers :) Nowadays I'm selling the > godawful records to get money for this music. Napalm Death is > still respectable in my book though. I'm sorry, but this gave me a good laugh at a distant memory... I borrowed a friend's compilation video a few years back, and it contained a lot of good independant British music, and a bit of crud. Anyway, there was a Napalm Death song on there, called "Dead". It ran for a grand total of seven seconds. It was live, and the band basically count the song in, play a deathly loud chord, while the singer screams "DEEEEEAAAAADDDDDDDDDD!!!!" and that's it. I still smile when I think about it... :) > All in all, I think the people who don't buy the stuff because of > the cover-art are wrong and should change, she should keep doing > what she does. And I realize I'm an idealist. But I still hate this > 'I want to sell more so I have to change this and that' -mentality. > It has no end once you take that road. The next thing to change is > the music. Maybe I'm not a realist, but I believe in these things :) Call me a cynic, but she's already doing that, with acoustic versions of Bowie songs et al... Kevin and Susanne have both admitted as much, too... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: 10,000 Maniacs: requiescat in pace Date: Thu, 05 Aug 93 22:25:42 -0700 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com Just saw on eMpTyV News that the Maniacs have broken up, apparently Natalie's decision. She mentioned the usual desire for creative freedom and independence, as well as a desire to possibly finish her college education and other personal reasons. I look forward to her future solo efforts, as I'm sure we all do, but it still feels like the end of an era. John Zimmer johnz@eaglet.rain.com ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 3:06:55 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Anything to avoid working Neal, I know what you mean :-). I keep looking around at the stacks of CDs, newspapers, magazines, cat hair, floppys, LPs, and various and sundry flotsam and jetsam and I keep singing (to the tune of If I Were A Rich Man) "If I were June Cleaver..." (though the lyrics really haven't gotten too much further than that...the thought is so horrifying--can anyone imagine me with an apron on? I haven't even set foot in the kitchen for about 6 months, except to feed the cats and get drinks--that my brain freezes up and I just start over again...though Overseasophiles probably don't even know who June Cleaver is unless they were "lucky" enough to get feeds of _Leave It To Beaver_ at some point in their life in which case I should say that June Cleaver was a mythic creature who uttered pleasantries and platitudes and wore an apron and had perfect hair and whose house was always as spotless as could be, even though she didn't really have to clean it up being as how they had prop guys and janitors to do that sort of thing ("If I were a prop guy, yadda yadda yadda") since it was only a set, after all, and didn't even have walls on all sides because they had to have a place for the camera and director and hairy grips to be, and June was always in a good mood and never acted like she wanted to smack the Beav even when he was being a real dork and I never sensed that she was the sort of person who would go nuts and poison the whole lot of them though I wonder if she took a nip every now and then, but if she did, the camera was never on at the time and it certainly was never written into the script because I guess the writers figured that all of America would be shocked if there was even a hint that June was less than perfect but I bet they really wanted to write a script where June was a closet Anne Sexton reader and dreamed of running away with Jack Kerouac, who looked like Nick Nolte (or was it John Heard?) and smoked pot, which she really wanted to try but was still freaked out by _Reefer Madness_ which had been shown at her High School, followed by a stern talk by the principal and the sherriff deputy who once arrested this guy who was high on pot and the guy kept laughing at a private joke and couldn't explain why he was laughing and it totally freaked out the deputy who believed that things like getting arrested was serious business and shouldn't be laughed at and ever since had believed that pot rots the brain and causes innappropriate laughter and so was evil and he liked to go around to high schools and even junior highs to rant about the evils of pot because it beat writing traffic tickets and scraping bodies off the pavement, and that school assembly had kind of scared June, but she still secretly wondered what pot was like and she was fascinated by the Beat Generation who actually seemed to like pot, but June knew, alas, that she would never have any fun at all and was destined to spend her life spouting pleasantries and minimal wisdoms and wearing an apron and living a black & white life while all the fun people got to live in color, so she quietly went crazy until one day she couldn't stand it anymore and she smashed the camera to bits with a cast iron skillet and started chasing the director and hairy grips with a huge knife in her hand, though it was only a prop knife and would have bounced harmlessly off their bodies, and she went screaming off into the Hollywood night, never to be seen again...well... years later a fan tracked down an old woman living in a commune in the Cascade Mountains and he was convinced that it was June Cleaver but she didn't deny or confirm it, as a matter of fact, all she would say was "my heart is going boom boom boom" (which Anne Sexton said in a letter and which later, Peter Gabriel put in a song, but it was never confirmed that June was a Peter Gabriel fan, while it was by then commom knowledge that June had been a closet Anne Sexton reader) and "don't bogart that joint, my friend" and would laugh and laugh and laugh and say "take *that* Mr. Deputy" and the fan couldn't figure out who Mr. Deputy might be because he wasn't aware of that particular bit of her past, then she would ask if he'd brought any potato chips and wander off mumbling pleasantries, and go skinny dipping, and the fan had to leave, believing in his heart that the woman was, in fact, June Cleaver, but not having any definitive proof. Needless to say, this episode was never aired. Scott, I have no idea how many cassettes Kevin has sold. I'll try and remember to ask him. I'm loving all the Jane comments!! Bob Lovejoy: I wish! I'm confused....Lynne and Paula are both from Ann Arbor? I knew about Lucky Lynn, but Paula, for some reason I thought you lived in Albany. Sorry. So Ann Arbor has a Tower, and it's *that* Tower that has the Happy display...ok. (I bet the whole of Ann Arbor was awash in the grief of Jessica DeBoers' leaving on Monday :-(. I was so depressed that whole day, and only getting Jane's album helped me to get my mind off Jessica and the poor DeBoers) I talked to Chris tonight, and he didn't get a chance to get together with Christo, Tom & Jeanne. He's sure having a lot of fun at SIGGRAPH. Last night he was able to get into an ILM (Industrial Light & Magic) party, held at, get this...the Nixon Library! _Jurassic Park_ was being shown in the Library's theater, there were fire eaters and huge video screens everywhere and great food and *tons* of people. He's going to Disneyland tomorrow. *pout*, I say, *POUT*. I'm supposed to sweep while he's out there having fun???? :-) Dunno what the cover of Rhodes Songs is going to be like. We already know that photos from the Philly show will be included, care of Bob Brown and Joe Dembski. Hi Brent, welcome to Ecto! Welcome also to other new Ectophiles out there. Christo's coming....I'd better sweep or something similar that's really domestic-like. Bye! Vickie (I know I have an apron around here somewhere....) "So poohoohoo on housework" HTR (paraphrased) ======================================================================== From: jk101920@ee.tut.fi (Kannisto Juha) Subject: Re: Happy covers Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 11:27:55 EET DST > Juha writes: > > > is important too since she has used it in so many of the covers. Ok, so > > I used to be a fan of Napalm Death and the like and I'm supposedly > > used to these godawful speedmetal covers :) Nowadays I'm selling the > > godawful records to get money for this music. Napalm Death is > > still respectable in my book though. > Anthony writes: > I'm sorry, but this gave me a good laugh at a distant memory... > > I borrowed a friend's compilation video a few years back, and it contained a > lot of good independant British music, and a bit of crud. Anyway, there was a > Napalm Death song on there, called "Dead". It ran for a grand total of seven > seconds. It was live, and the band basically count the song in, play a > deathly loud chord, while the singer screams "DEEEEEAAAAADDDDDDDDDD!!!!" and > that's it. I still smile when I think about it... :) Sounds like ND allright :) I can't but admire the spontaneity, haha. Like someone doing their own thing no matter what, right? Anyway, they have really meaningful lyrics in their later releases. Still, I like Equipoise more :) Me again: > > All in all, I think the people who don't buy the stuff because of > > the cover-art are wrong and should change, she should keep doing > > what she does. And I realize I'm an idealist. But I still hate this > > 'I want to sell more so I have to change this and that' -mentality. > > It has no end once you take that road. The next thing to change is > > the music. Maybe I'm not a realist, but I believe in these things :) Him again: > Call me a cynic, but she's already doing that, with acoustic versions of > Bowie songs et al... Kevin and Susanne have both admitted as much, too... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au > "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." > - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The thought has crossed my mind... But I think I'll like the acoustic versions a lot (haven't heard them yet). It's funny how the changes only seem to matter if it makes the music less appealing or something. I still wouldn't want to see here go acoustic for good... Juha -- Juha Kannisto O jk101920@cc.tut.fi O I have a friend in Phobos O Savikukonkatu 21 O jk101920@ee.tut.fi O At times I think I'm almost there O 33530 Tampere O jk101920@cs.tut.fi O * Happy Rhodes * O Finland O +358-31-560941 O ~~~~~~~~~~~~ O ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 4:41:30 EDT From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Anything to avoid working i logged in to read something boring, cuz i'm much too awake with thoughts of this and that and how i'm not depressed for the first time in weeks but that means i actually have to think about work and cleaning the apt and the fact that my temporary housemate and bass player is moving back to texas which means the apartment will be much calmer and much cleaner and much less interesting and that only one person in the world seems to agree with me about this one particular utterly-most-important-issue-in-my-life and the fact that she does just makes it more confusing and so i am WIDE AWAKE but reading some scholarly discussions of the effectiveness of kerberos ought to help, only before i do anything i of course check my mail and all there is is one message from Vickie to ecto so i figure i might as well read it and i hope i didn't wake everyone up laughing but i really couldn't help it could i? i have a feeling that *not* thining about June Cleaver for the rest of the night will be impossible, so i am going to om "if i were a prop guy" like a mantra and hope for at least a dream-smeared doze, though that leads to questions about a physiopsychological theory recently discussed here 'bouts which leads back to that one person in the world, which might be depressing but isn't because i am happy for the first time in weeks (did i mention that? i am... kinda goofy, really :), so i guess being awake isn't that bad because i am having fun ;) anyway, it's barely my bed-time... ANYway, thanks, Vickie -- if my snickering does wake woj and chris up, i'll show 'em your post and we'll chortle together :) fffn! -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== Subject: Re: my two sense... Date: Fri, 06 Aug 93 10:00:59 +0100 From: Stephen Thomas > Stephen in Nottingham, UK (say hello to the Merry Men!), Susanne asked >me to tell you that the albums had been sent but I see you have them so >never mind! Glad you're enjoying them. Yep, and I am indeed enjoying 'em. Great stuff. Funny what you say about the Merry Men, though. It looks as though we (Jane and I) will be moving house again very shortly, as Jane may have a new job in a village which (according to the map) is smack in the middle of Sherwood Forest... Keep well, Stephen ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1993 12:52:01 +0000 (U) From: TalbotJ Subject: ADD TALBOTJ@RFERL.ORG Please add me to this mailing list... ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Anything to avoid working Date: Fri, 06 Aug 93 07:14:31 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu [Vickie's immense discussion of why cleaning up for the Chicago Katetcmas has her thinking of June Cleaver smoking dope on a commune in pacifica whilst scaring a fan] She's BAAAAaaaaaack. Run for cover! I gotta say, Vickie, that was your best post in a long, long time. Thanks. Jeff (who would probably be laughing hysterically if he weren't so tired from getting less than 6 hours of sleep after finishing a new drogue (read: stabilising windsock for use in high winds) for the EctoForm, having been totally unsatisfied with the first drogue I made and then finishing getting the flying instructions together (thanks, Mike) and then accomplishing all sorts of other things I needed to accomplish in my life and now feeling really exhausted with watering eyes and wondering if a shower will really wake me up enough to get to work and behave like Working Boy Wonder With the Magic Fingers (is it really such amazing fact that I can type 100 words a minute? Mike types a hell of a lot faster than I do) and stopping on the way to work to pick up Doug's package and at the ATM to deposit paychecks and at the mailbox outside the post office to pay some bills and send some thankyou letters to the professors who wrote the recommendations that got me into school and sometime between the shower and the postoffice I have to pick the tapes to take to work with me but that'll just make me mad that I was too busy taping other stuff last night to have time to tape WIWaB which I *really* want to hear again but won't because it's too much of a pain to take my CD player to work even though it's a portable so I'll have to settle for tapes but I've heard all my good tapes and don't want to sort through the huge Shopping Bag of Doom which contains almost but not quite my entire tape collection and which collection is currently a disaster. But I'll make it through.) ======================================================================== From: Mike Matthews Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 08:21:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Anything to avoid working I'd just like to take a moment and say THANK GOD for Word Wrap. [y'know, there's a Kemp Mill right next to Linens 'n Things and I need some sheets because my bedroom furniture is going to be delivered today and it's only one CD and.... ] Mike ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 06 Aug 93 11:14:31 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: Jane Siberry Hi there, one question: yesterday I got "Summer in the Yukon" by Jane Siberry. It was actually a mistake, as the one I wanted was "When I was a Boy". Anyway, I liked the music straight away! As I gathered from yesterday's digest, SITY is actually a compilation. Would somebody please be so kind and let me have a discography of Jane? Thanks a lot! Ilka = ) ======================================================================== From: heath@iceblink.cs.jhu.edu (Dave Heath) Subject: Re: Lookie what I found! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 13:44:07 GMT Vickie sent this to me and asked me to post it: Dave Heath (hi!) mailed me this, but I'm going to post this portion: > Anyway, I was wondering, is there someone at Mammoth that we can write > to in order to convince them that there are people out there waiting for > her first album to be re-released? Maybe if they received a bunch of > letters, it would carry more weight. This guy had posted in rec.music.misc (or maybe alt.music.alternative, I can't remember which) saying that he just started working at Mammoth. I jumped at the chance to write him :-). From: jpooton@mermaid.micro.umn.edu (James Robert Pooton) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 11:24:35 EDT From: Liz%Eng%Banyan@magnolia.banyan.com Subject: A new fan Hi all, I'm not likely to say anything anyone else hasn't already said, but I'm new to this, so I hope you'll forgive my enthusiasm. :-) Happy had been on my list for a while, but I hadn't found anything in the Boston area until last Sunday, when I saw "Rearmament" and "Warpaint" at Tower Records. I picked up "Rearmament" (don't ask me why I chose one over the other - I don't know!) and took it home to see what I thought. Two days later I went back and got "Ecto", "Rhodes I", "Rhodes II", and "Warpaint" - the only other discs they had. Needless to say, I'd been hooked. I can understand the people who compare her voice to Kate's - on some of the high stuff, they sound uncannily alike. But the musical style is completely different - in fact, most of the time Happy doesn't make me think of any other artist at all. In those brief moments when hints of other folks come to mind, I tend to think of Bel Canto and Phillip Glass more than anyone else. I still like "Rearmament" best, probably because due to the 48-hour lead time, I've listened to it about nine times more than the others. But I'm slowly becoming acquainted with the rest. What a wonderful, dark mind she has! Happy to be on the list (;-)), Liz lizb@banyan.com ======================================================================== Subject: Tribe, J. Siberry, H. Berry Date: Fri, 06 Aug 93 12:33:22 -0400 From: "Dr. Dan" lynnk68685@aol.com writes: > After all of the rave reviews on Ecto about Jane Siberry's new disc, I >couldn't resist:) This is, without a doubt, one of the best discs I've >purchased over the past few months!! I also splurged on a few other Ecto >recommendations....Heidi Berry and Bjork (both get very high ratings:) >Thanks to all who recommended these!!! Tee hee. I bopped into ReBop two days ago to buy When I was a Boy, and picked up Heidi Berry and Sleeper (Tribe) while I was there. Would have bought Bjork if they had it. ecto-recommendations strike again! Heidi Berry is nice, but probably the weakest of three. Sleeper is *incredibly* catchy--it has been occupying the CD player at work full time since I bought it. New Jane is an amazing album, but a little too intense for work--I can tell it will take a lot of close listening before I fully appreciate this album. -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 12:24 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: as Klaus as Klaus can be > > About 400 km. But maybe Perttu can be persuaded to visit Klaus (only about > > 200 km, more or less exactly in the middle between us) when he gives his > > Ectofete. Perttu? Saanko pyyt"a"a sinut kutsuille? (Sorry if that's too > > wrong...) > > Kiitos! I have to visit D"usseldorf every now and then, so I can take the > tape with me when I'll next time come here. Then we can make copies either > in Klaus or your place. Of if you happen to visit Holland you can drop at > my place in The Hague too. I've never been to the Netherlands, and it's a bit unlikely that this will change soon (one day...) but D"usseldorf is not that far away from Wuppertal. Sounds like a good idea! Klaus? Perttu? MEET! ;-) > PS. I did't know you were fluent in Finnish too :) Well - it does not go beyond a dozen words... Since I visited Finnland a few weeks ago the interest in the language slowly arose. Then (actually after the visit) I went into a bookstore and bought a small German-Finnish dictionary and a language guide. The above sentence is almost directly from the guide. Finnish is actually quite a wierd language, not only its vocabulary is completely different from any other European language (except maybe Sami and Hungarian), but also the grammar is. I did know that of course, but I just got interested in HOW the grammar is different. Now I at least know that you have 15 different cases (sounds like a world record) and why you have these LONG words. BTW: how is one supposed to speak the double consonants, especially those that are difficult to pronounce long (like 'PerTTu' for example). Bye, Uli ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)