Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #322 ecto, Number 322 Monday, 31 August 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* hi guys Re: New Peter Gabriel single "Digging In The Dirt" Happyvangelizing et al. assorted nonsense pleasant! Laurie Freelove and The Psychowelders transfixed by Tori Re: ecto #321 The Wind Crys Mary ooh! ======================================================================== From: sae@cmpsci.suffolk.edu (Alan Ezust) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:34:05 EDT Subject: hi guys First post to Ecto from my new flat in Montreal... I've had next-to-no time for mailing lists lately... You might say I've been feeling listless... However, I'm almost finished unpacking my life from all these blasted boxes... Here is my new address: Alan Ezust 3474 Rue Hutchison Apt 105 Montreal H2X 2G7 (514) 848-0493 Welcome back Angelos! Sorry we missed each other! We'll complete the CD transaction somehow though... Please say hi To Klaus and Claudia! I really regret missing them in Boston, but there are things happening in mtl that I just have to be here for... i'll be here... i'll be ecto... -- S. Alan Ezust sae@cmpsci.suffolk.edu McGill University Department of Computer Science Montreal, Quebec - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "No kindness when there's lack of dignity, politeness has to join simplicity, no caution without pure sincerety, compliance has to join with bravery." - BC ======================================================================== Subject: Re: New Peter Gabriel single Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 17:32:54 -0400 From: Ken Latta >If all these come true, then I will be transported to musical >heaven by the time all these album releases are over, if all four >of my favorite female artists and one of my favorite male artists >release albums at quite nearly the same time. I'll either be in heaven or the poor house. CD prices are bad enough, but now that I feel compelled to buy the videos of all these artists too..... Well, poor in purse but rich in music; must be the way to be. ======================================================================== Subject: "Digging In The Dirt" Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:51:03 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Not to offend (at least too much... ;-) those who've previously reported on the new PG single, all I can say is that I can't imagine not recognizing it as PG virtually instantly. This morning I was working on my car (blech) and wondering if I should call the radio station and request the song. I went into the house to collect some tools, came back outside, sat down about 20 feet from the car to assemble some parts and almost instantly looked up toward the car because I knew exactly who and what I was hearing. What a *superb* song. I can almost imagine it getting popular. Not nearly as world beat as I expected from reports on the album. His voice is as good as always. Ooh, I can't wait to find the single! Anyone seen it yet? BTW, regarding the albums I mentioned the night before last: _Victorialand_ is superb but way too short; _Home Is In Your Head_ is mostly great but has some weak songs; _Wings of Joy_ is pretty good but the way the vocals are placed in the production annoys me; the Skinner Box stuff is really not overly exciting but it may grow on me. ObHappy: The friend who loaned 'em to me commented upon hearing _Warpaint_ that it reminded him of Skinner Box. Musically I agree; Skinner Box is a one-woman band and it's very percussivey like _Warpaint_. Unfortunately her voice isn't in the same league as Happy's. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Subject: Happyvangelizing et al. Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 22:00:40 EDT From: mc b. happy Hi all, There we were driving to Rockport on a beautiful New England summer day, and I slipped my mix '92 vol. 3 tape in the tape-player of the car we had rented. It happened to be at the point where 'Head like a hole' by NIN was playing. Cries of pain came from my sister, my nephew and my niece who are visiting me from Ecuador... Then came 'I am a legend' by you-know-who. Instant reaction, hey she has a wonderful voice! (well my niece didn;t like it, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad :) ). Roman kept singing along, it was *SO* funny!! My sister who didn't appreciate Dead can Dance *that* much and insisted on Rolling Stones and Dylan on the way to Maine yesterday, asked to listen to more Happy!! I guess I have to buy her the Warpaint that is still for sale at the Cambridge Tower, so Happy can be heard in South America too!! More later, Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 23:14:12 PDT From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu Hi All If anyone sights Klaus, please let me know. Barry ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 00:02:04 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: assorted nonsense i picked up pamela golden's _happens all the time_ in an used cd shop over the weekend and am listening to it for a second time even as i type. it's rather nice too. mellow, melodic, light pop really. a few songs i really like and the rest is also good. one thumb up out of two on the woj scale. i should note that the two songs that grab me the most also feature tony levin on bass and jerry narotta on drums. hmmm. (which reminds me incidentially that the rumored king crimson reformation is looking more and more possible - expect the band members to be fripp, levin, belew and probably marotta). my only real complaint about the pamela golden is that it's too damn short! 32 minutes! eeek! i'm glad that i paid only $5 for it... also found the millions' _m is for millions_, which is a nice guitar pop band featuring female vox. this reminds me a bit of grace pool or the katy- dids. good, non-offensive pop with decent lyrics. one half a thumb up. kiri sez: >The campus radio station is fairly decent, are you going to get a show there if you can? i imagine that the ms campus could use a little whazoo cafe to wake them up... :) Michael Peskura sez: >Wow, Woj, i'm impressed (are there some cool people in this list or what?!) (hey, what can i say? :) >that you've managed to even hear these obscurities ... ! well, the only things i've heard is one song by couch of sound and one by fred. the entropics are still a mystery to me - as is how to get these recordings (oh, i've got the tone dogs stuff). i'd really appreciate you asking her if you get the chance. if you can get an address to contact her at, i'd really appreciate that as well... vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) sez: >Also, to whoever said Patti Smith is inconsistent, >what do you mean inconsistent? what do i mean? well, i guess that i find some songs absolutely brilliant while others just don't seem to go anywhere or do anything. inconsistant in impressing me is what i mean, i guess. Vickie Mapes sez: >Could it be? Am I the first person to have heard a song from the new >Peter album? i finally heard "digging..." saturday afternoon on some upstate ny classic rock station. i wasn't really paying attention too much, but i did recog- nize it immediately as peter's voice. i liked it, but i'm not sure if i'd describe it all that different from anything else he's done (then again, this is supposed to be one of the songs that is like _so_, so who am i to say? :) jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu sez regarding cranes: >Anybody know anything about 'em, other than that they're english? they've been around for a while and used to be a lot noisier than _wings of joy_ would make one think. they have a number of releases that are only available on british labels but i can't recall any of the names. sorry. i do have one other track of theirs which appeared on the gigantic 2 melody maker/rough trade compilation entitled "untitled" (heh). like i said, it is a lot noisier than _wings..._. the name comes from the earlier memories that vocalist alison shaw has of growing up near the docks: the huge cargo cranes which were readily seen from her family's apartment window. and regarding the cocteau twins: >(I'm particularly interested in _Victorialand_; all I've heard by >CT to date are _Blue Bell Knoll_ and _Heaven or Las Vegas_) mmmmmm..._victorialand_ is probably my fave twins album. it is their "acoustic" effort (all that means is that robin gutherie nixed the guitar effects). it's a beautiful, lazy, languid album which is great to fall asleep to on cool autumn nights. which reminds me, does anyone have any opinions on the swallow album _blow_? i heard snippets of it in a record store today...been meaning to pick it up, but just haven't gotten to it yet. should i? or are they just a cocteau twins ripoff as others claim? woj ======================================================================== Subject: pleasant! Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:39:30 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Two treats on MTV's 120 Minutes tonight: a) premier of "Digging In the Dirt" This is a _weird_ video and frankly I found it to be rather disturbing. It uses a lot of the stop-motion photography, animation, and claymation found in "Sledgehammer" and "Big Time" to great effect and there are some truly spectacular moments. But parts of it were just, well, disturbing! I'm not sure what put me off about it but it's definitely got a dark side. b) the premier of Sinead O'Connor's new single, "Success." I was all set not to like this (I'm not really sure why) but enjoyed it quite a bit anyway. It's a bit of a departure from her earlier stuff. For most of the the song she sounds less like Sinead than Sarah McLachlan does on "I Will Not Forget You"! The arrangement is quite different from anything I've heard her do before; strings are old hat, but the horns! Where did they come from? Over all, quite nice and I'm wondering how the rest of the album will be. I'm nervous at the thought of an album of covers, but who knows? The video was also rather different. Most of it involved Sinead, still mostly bald, standing at a podium as if giving a press conference. What's neat about it is that for the entire first verse she stands with her mouth closed and signs the lyrics! For the rest of the song, she signs about, oh 3/4 of the stuff whilst lip synching, but for most of the video there is also a signer present. She seemed pretty comfortable and dare I say fluent, so I can't help but wonder if Sinead does in fact sign or if she learned the motions for the video. (on a side note, last night I went to a birthday party for a woman who works as a translator in ASL in Congress. It's very interesting being at a party where at least 1/3 of the people are speaking in sign language. It seems far too quiet for the number of people crowded into just a few rooms) Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 22:58:54 CST From: kiri Subject: Laurie Freelove and The Psychowelders Firstly thanks to vickie I received a copy of Psychowelders Inertia - I LOVE IT!!!!!! I am so depressed I missed them in concert....work gotta hate it. SO far Syntax of the SKin is my favi song...but they are all equally wonderful. I'll have to write Rhonnda (is that how she spells it, i ferget) or is it two d's aww well....ya get the idea :) to tell her that I did have as much listening to it as they did recording it...hehehe well Ok they probably had much more fun...but I really love the album.... Also this weekend Court introduced me to Laurie Freelove. It took me all of 5 seconds to fall completely in love with the album Smells like Truth. Fortunately we went to a store and found a copy for a mere $7 too just an hour after I heard the album.... On the drive back to Oxford I must've listened to the album at least 7 times not to mention the 800 or so times I listened to the song Heaven on Earth - wonderful wonderful wonderful song!!!! Has she done any other albums or is this the only one....and where is she from - you Laurie Freelove guru's - if there are any out there :) :) ??? time to get some sleep....phew kIrI ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 02:01:08 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: transfixed by Tori A three-word review of Tori Amos's concert in Eugene: I was transfixed. Ecto word for the day (found while making sure "transfixed" was the right word): tri|the|ism (tri'thee'iz*m), n. the belief in three Gods, especially the doctrine that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost of the Christian Trinity are three distinct Gods. [ < tri- + Greek theos (god) + English -ism ] A more detailed review: I met Portlanders John Zimmer and Michael Bowman (members of Love-Hounds, Ecto, and really-deep-thoughts, as it turns out) at a local science fiction bookstore about 4:30. We had dinner at a nearby Thai restaurant, then headed to the WOW Hall at about 6:00. John and Michael had wanted to be there early to get in line for the show that was supposed to start at 8:00. We were more than early enough since we were apparently the first there. We soon met someone who was hoping to buy a ticket for the sold-out show; he shortly met someone who had an extra ticket. Ticket scalping in Eugene goes like this: Desperate would-be concertgoer: You have an extra ticket?! Extra ticket holder: Yeah. DWBC: How much do you want for it? ETH: I paid ten bucks for it. DWBC: OK. [hands over ten bucks] ETH: [hands over ticket] Michael Bowman (humorously): But wait. You're supposed to ask more for it :-) Now you know why I like it so much here. I was sort of worried about whether I'd be able to get a good place to see the concert since the main entrance to the building isn't accessible, and the ramp providing wheelchair access is in back. As it turns out everything went great--I had John make sure to mention I was out back when he went in, and I went around back when they appeared to be about ready to open the doors, so I got in quite early and got an excellent second-row seat just a little right of center stage. There were a lot of seat vultures prowling the front rows. A couple of women decided that they would carry some chairs from back up front and move a row a little farther down while the occupants of the row were out. The original occupants were rather annoyed to discover this when they got back and eventually shamed the vultures into moving. I met a truly surprising person at about this time--someone named Sean (or Shawn or Shaun) who is one of the few people I know who, when I mentioned the name Jane Sibbery, did not go "Jane who?" His favorite Jane album is _The Walking_. His favorite Kate album is _Hounds of Love_. My impresson that A Man Called E might be better overall at stand-up comedy than at songwriting. I did find it unusual that he got called back for an encore. As for Tori, I'm not sure how much more I can say about her concert performance but that I was transfixed. Several times I got the Tori Stare, where she picks you as a random member of the crowd and looks very intently at you--it's much like staring at a cobra, only without a feeling of dread. Musically it was wonderful. I'm actually glad that I haven't bought the album yet--now when I get the album I will have wonderful memories of the concert versions of the songs to think about when listening to the songs on the album. This is one of the more draining concerts I've been to--I remember being very sharp on most of the first set, but towards the end and during the encores I began to feel almost overwhelmed by her intensity and having trouble focusing. When Tori came out for the second encore, Sean (or Shawn or Shaun) stood up and yelled "Neil says hi!" Tori smiled and launched into "Tear in Your Hand". I've heard many reports of impolite audiences during some of Tori's other appearances. In what seemed to be typical Eugene fashion, our audience was very polite--applauding wildly between songs, and almost perfectly silent during them. Tori seemed very pleased; early on she remarked "It's like I've been invited over to play after dinner." This probably also had to do with the small venue--not more than 200 people could have been there. After the show was over we hung around back to meet Tori. We also got to watch the rental piano get loaded into its truck. Tori was as nice as everyone has said she is--greeting everyone individually and giving out lots of hugs. I didn't ask her for an autograph (I'm not much for collecting them; two of the three autographed Happy items I have were unsolicited) but did get a hug. I was wearing my Ecto t-shirt but she made no remark about it (half :-(). I basically told her I hadn't heard that much of her stuff before the concert but had been told how great her concerts are, and that I was definitely a fan now. ======================================================================== Date: 31 Aug 92 10:02:58 EDT From: MJM Subject: Re: ecto #321 Yes, Martin, I heard Blood Makes Noise (Vega's new single) on the radio a while ago... sounded pretty good. Hope she tours again. The last time I saw her was 2 years ago and she was quite good (though the venue wasn't). One guy yelled out he would inflict bodily harm on himself if she didn't sing Queen and Soldier, and so she did -- that was doubtless the hilite of the show. Ah well, lots of new music coming out *soon*! -mjm ======================================================================== From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Subject: The Wind Crys Mary Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 9:18:15 CDT Hi, Who among you recall the Jimmy Hendrix song "The Wind Crys Mary"? Hey, when I was a wee little lad, I listened to all kinds of stuff. Come to think of it, I haven't changed much over the years. Anyway, I was listening to the Tori Amos song "Mary" (from the import) and noticed the lines: Like Jimmy said ... Mary Don't be afraid cause even the wind crys your name. Ain't life grand! Harry (Getting ready to leave for a Provincetown vacation!) -- Harry Foster foster@convex.com "The test of courage comes when we are in the minority; the test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority." -Ralph W. Sockman ======================================================================== Subject: ooh! Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 11:59:46 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu I, too, just heard "Blood Makes Noise," the new Suzanne Vega single. I hereby appologize to whomever I may or may not have insulted by my "I can't imagine not instantly recognizing 'Digging in the Dirt' as PG" comment--I spent the entire song trying to figure out who "BMN" might be sung by and was shocked when the DJ said Suzanne Vega. I should note that I've been a huge fan of hers for at least 5 years... It's quite a departure from her earlier stuff. Someone (here? alt-r'n'r?) had said something about it being "Vega goes techno" and I almost agree. but to put it in more Ecto-y terms, it's to _Suzanne Vega_ what _Warpaint_ is to _Rhodes Volume I_. Very cool... Hmmm. I wonder if SV listens to Happy... Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)