Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #315 ecto, Number 315 Monday, 17 August 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* in comes a digest... Re: Tori single Gyan Um, Hello? Thanks! Re: in comes a digest... psychoberries Re: P J Harvey roches, where is your head? ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:34:44 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: in comes a digest... ...and out goes a reply... Vickie Mapes sez: >I can verify that the Psychowelder's T-shirts are *really* nice! They had >them at the show. The "psychic hand" T is *the* *absolute* *most* >*wonderful* T-shirt ever made by/for any band, anywhere, anytime! If there is this the "ocultum fiat manifestum" shirt? i hope so. that's the one i ordered. :) >4) Snakes and Ladders (the "witch-revenge" song woj quoted) i asked her about that in the last letter i wrote her. she basically con- firmed my suspicions about it - except that she was much more vehement about it than i expected. she's got quite a bone to pick with christians waiting for the "rapture" apparantly. >6) Arcosanti-by-the-Sea (my personal *all-time* favorite Psychowelder's song) i liked this one too. it's got a beautiful sing-song feel to it. normally, this kind of song doesn't do much for me, but this one is also a favorite. and i can't explain it... ksilver@startek.com (Keith Silver) sez: >From the one song that I heard on the tapes, >Cindy Lee Berryhill seems to have a very distinctive style, i don't know about that. she's part of something that evolved in nyc a few years ago the eventually got dubbed the anti-folk scene. people like roger manning and kirk kelly and john s hall (of king missile fame) also got tossed in this "movement" (if you can call it that). there are not too many women who got involced this as i recall. jennifer blowdryer is the only person i can think of off the top of my head, though there are more. brenda kahn, to a degree, would qualify based on sound and themes. there is an excellent compilation album of artists from this scene which came out in 1988 or 1989 on 109 records. gee, i wish i could find a copy of it now... dunno about this pj harvey band, though the name sounds familiar for some reason or another. woj ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:10:22 EDT From: justin@crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: Re: Tori single please forgive me for yet another not very interesting posting, but the affair of the dreaded US Tori single ought to be cleared up once and for all. The thing that Gary Nichols has is the Evil Dreaded US "EP" thing that most people in the US already know about but that is mercifully unknown elsewhere: the CD single sold in a longbox for double the price of a CD single, just because it has five tracks (and not even a lyric sheet). It is *not* the Crucify live box, which is a proper non-parasitic UK release. In my message to Steve Fagg I described it as follows: > There [is] also ... a US "EP" which, rather > confusingly, combines the artwork and the remix of the song Crucify > from the Crucify CD single with the contents of the Winter "limited > edition" [i.e., Winter + three covers]. The part of my message that he quoted here dealt only with *proper* CD singles, i.e., the UK/European ones. justin ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Gyan Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 13:10:47 WST Dirk writes : > I came across some very beautiful songs on volume one: > Black Wedding Ring by Gyan > Cry For The Desert by Twila Paris > World On A Wing by The Telling > I haven't heard of them before and my effort to gain further > information was unsuccessful. > Who has chosen these songs or can tell me more about these groups? Vickie writes: > Martin sent me the Gyan tape, so he'll have to give you the information. Black Wedding Ring is from Gyan's only album released to date, a self-titled release from a few years ago. I don't actually own the album myself, so I can't give you full ordering information, but I can find it out if you wish. Gyan lives and works in Australia. The more I hear the album, the more I like it... at first I probably liked about half of the songs, with 3 real favourites, but now I like all of it. Beth has also heard this album... Care to make a few comments at this point, Beth? Funnily enough, only yesterday I was browsing through a CD shop (for the first time in *months*... maybe I AM controlling my music habit :) and found a new CD single from Gyan with two new songs on it. On the back it read "from the forthcoming album to be released in January 1993". I think the album was called "Red Red" or something like that. I'll keep you up to date. Only two weeks to the Cure concert, yay! Martin ,-----------------------------+-------------------------------. _ . | "The shallow drowned lose | Martin Dougiamas. | ~ _r' Ll\ ~ | less than we", you breathe, | martin@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au |~ | \ ~ | the strangest twist upon | Curtin University | ~ \ ._ / ~ | your lips. - The Cure | Perth, Western Australia ----+--> x~ `-' ~ `=============================+===============================' ~ V ======================================================================== Subject: Um, Hello? From: rhill@netrun.cts.com (ronald hill) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:50:22 PDT Um, lets see if this works. Uh... This is my first ECTO posting. First off, I'd like to thank everyone for the birthday wishes. Ironically, I've had sooooo much happen the past three weeks, but virtually nothing on the day itself! My best present was that the day before my neice and nephew (oh, yeah.. and my brother ;-) finally moved back after being in Italy for FIVE years (during which I only saw them three times). Also, the big San Diego bash last night, which only had three people but so what?! We gotta meet new San Diego Love-Hound Susan, so it was coool. Not to mention seeing the British Wuthering Heights (apparently the one Kate saw when she was a child) and _The Cruel_Sea. Apparenly The Innocents and Nosferatu aren't available on video. :-( "Ecto-related stuff": Looks like I'm going to see Tori Amos on Wensday, the 26th of this month. Jackie and Susan should also be there so it's going to be a virtual Love-Hounds concert. I've always like _Seeing_ and hearing Tori better then simply listening to her, so it should be fun. The woman I'm going with was funny cause I didn't expect she would know about Tori when I originally asked her (for the _last_ time Tori was in San Diego). She said something like "of course I know who she is, do you think I'm out of it or something?" :-) Since the BOston party I've started to like her a bit more (Tori) cause I saw the tape where she explained that _Crusify_ is about relationships. I had though it was just about how we all hurt ourselves, rather then how we hurt ourselves in bad relasionships. That extra info makes me like it alot better, as it seems more focused. Happy B.D. to Vickie! Later. --- rhill@netrun.cts.com (ronald hill) NetRunner's Paradise BBS, San Diego CA ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 2:41:22 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Thanks! Hi everybody! Thanks for all the birthday wishes...they were great! I had to work (overtime is a Good Thing, no matter what day it is) and so did Chris. I got home and taped MST3k and Ren & Stimpy (it was the new one and Frank Zappa's voice was in a part of it) and then got on-line to read mail. Ran into Tim (hi Tim!) and we went to the icb. I set up an "Ecto" group and the Topic was "Birthday Party" and we were hoping other Ectophiles would find us, but I guess no one else was in an icb mood. We had a spirited, somewhat surreal, conversation anyway, especially after Tim's friend Chris joined us. We talked about MST (Mystery Science Theater 3000) and Ren & Stimpy (a very bizarre animated series on Nickelo- dian channel) and Chicago style Pizza (my Chris came home during the conversation and we ordered a pizza) and Twin Peaks and Happy and gansters and all sorts of things. It was great fun! Sarah is tomorrow night...yay! Thanks for the thanks...you're *very* welcome. My absolute pleasure! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 4:13:10 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: in comes a digest... Woj, you asked about the T-shirt for the Psychowelders, and yes, I think that the "Occultum Fiat Manifesto" shirt you ordered is the same one I was talking about. If it's not the Intertia shirt, then it's definitely the same one. You'll know right away when you get it. The letters and graphics are raised. On the front is a circle with *lots* of details (and if you can describe what all's in there, be my guest) and on the back is the name Psychowdelders going down the back, sideways. There's more, but that's enought to tell you if it's the same as ours. Rhondda is practically a student of the witch trials (not, I don't think, witchcraft itself, just the extermination of women believed to be witches in Europe and New England) and yes, she's right royally pissed off at the sexism that led to the "weeding out" of strong, independent women via the witch trials. That theme is in a few songs. Intense? You bet! Here are the lyrics to "Inquisition" (I know you don't need them woj, but just so that other people can know what I'm talking about) Inquisition by Psychowelders (lyrics by Rhondda Francis) Guilty by your birth Guilty by your sex Deny it or confess You will die nonetheless When you feel your body burning You've made your choice Rend your flesh and they rip your eyes out and Brand with irons and rip your tongue out and Rape and rack all in the name of god And if you live through this you're Surely devil spawn When you feel your body burning You've made your choice The priest blesses his toys of torture He has his Hexenhammer and the Pure bright pyre When you feel your body burning You'll rejoice. ........................................ Told'ya she's mad...! She can talk for hours on this subject (and she is a very interesting person to talk to about any subject) and you can tell that she feels that if she had lived back then she surely would have been burned at the stake. Again, not because she's into witchcraft, but because whe's a strong, intelligent, opinionated, independent, woman who wouldn't have put up with their nonsense, and who would have been killed for her outspokenness. Fascinating subject, fascinating woman! And btw, it's a *great* song too! Here's the full text of the lyrics for "Snakes and Ladders" which could almost be a sequel to Inquisition, even though S&L came first. Snakes and Ladders by Psychowelders (lyrics by Rhondda Francis) The streets are empty now Their god has fallen I see streaked faces Peering throught the Hawthorn trees We'll burn their buildings and their books As they once burned ours They'll die on their crosses As we once burned at stake Not so long ago We do not forget... .................................................. (maybe I should add that "Inquisition" is (c) 1992 Psychowdelders and "Snakes and Ladderss" is (c) 1988 Psychowelders) Heavy stuff! Actually, I haven't the faintest idea what a lot of Rhondda's songs mean (including "Arcosanti0by-the-Sea" which I love for the music and, as woj said, beautiful sing-song melody. The lyrics are meaningless to me though) I did get e-mail requests for the address again, so, in case others are interested, here it is again... Psychowdelders c/o Rhondda Francis 3815 Walnut, #1S Kansas City, MO 64111 She said that if I kept it to Ecto, I could post her phone number, so here it is. (They always leave the answering machine on, even if they're home, so she might end up picking it up on you.) (816) 931-4648 The CD of _Inertia_ is $10.00. (postage, woj?) and the cassette of "Orphic Egg" is $6.00. I don't know what the postage for that is, and I don't know how much she's charging for the cassette of _Intertia_, sorry. Woj, thanks for the info about the music scene that spawned Cindy Lee Berryhill. Keith, I don't know P.J Harvey either. Sounds interesting. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:27:53 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: psychoberries Vickie Mapes sez: >Here's the full text of the lyrics for "Snakes and Ladders" which could >almost be a sequel to Inquisition, even though S&L came first. i asked about this song specifically in the first letter i wrote to her. she describes it essentially as a fantasy wherein the "quiet gentle pagans, adorned with mud and tattoed with blue woad, will leap out of the trees and, in the act of ultimate irony, cricify all the christians." yow. she also mentions an additional verse that didn't make it into the final version of the song on _ophic egg" that goes thus: "we would not profane our mother earth with the bodies of their dead." ouch. the title of the song refers to the duality between the earth and the sky: the basic conflict between cthonic earth mother goddess and thunderbolting father sky god. a good discussion of this topic can be found in a book by claude levi-strauss called _the raw and the cooked_ (for those of you into this sort of thing). >The CD of _Inertia_ is $10.00. (postage, woj?) and the cassette of >"Orphic Egg" is $6.00. I don't know what the postage for that is, >and I don't know how much she's charging for the cassette of _Intertia_, >sorry. all the prices are postage paid, but tossing in a few dollars for stamps and the like can never hurt. the _inertia_ cassette is $10 as well. >Woj, thanks for the info about the music scene that spawned Cindy Lee >Berryhill. i was listening to _naked movie star_ was i was writing that last post to ecto. afterwards, i realized that i should have added that cindy lee berryhill in many ways transcends the anti-folk thing. her music is more than the simple acoustic guitar and screamed vocals that characterize the work of others in that scene. woj ps. thanks for rhondda's phone number - i think i'm going to have to give her a call as it appears that we have many interests in common. ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 09:49:26 BST Subject: Re: P J Harvey Polly Jane Harvey (to give her full title!) is a British singer. I've got her latest album (very good BTW) but other than that I don't know much about her. tim ======================================================================== Date: 17 Aug 92 14:15:29 EDT From: MJM Subject: roches, where is your head? Mitch hits home with two consecutive posts: "The Roches themselves have never quite reached the level of fame they deserve. While each album built itself musically above the one previous [...] no one is ever sick of us. People are still discovering us." I discovered them last year when I finally bought their debut album, which one critic said was the only one to accurately capture their great stage show. I fell in love with it. This year, I bought the next two: 'nurds' and 'keep on doing'. Though some songs are a bit annoying (really, just "want not" and "keep on doing"), the rest are super. A month or two ago I saw them live for the first time and they were smashing. I was most impressed that the show featured no extra musicians: just the 3 sisters, playing all the instruments and singing all the notes (albeit with a bit of help from a programmed synth on not too many songs). Plus the interplay among them is *so* interesting. So I went out and bought their latest album (with only a bit of hesitation) "A Dove" and now I love it too. In particular "Too Tough Hide" is my fave. Now this is not ethereal music nor would I call it alternative or progressive. Just seriously inspired songwriting, witty lyrics, cool arrangements usually for 3 voices, some urban wisdom, some whimsy. I guess on all the 4 albums I own, the songwriting is the standout (lyrics and music). There are even a couple of somgs on their latest that evoke 10,000 Maniacs, who I know have a big following on this group. I would highly recommend their music, and moreover, if you want to be won over, go see'm live. As always, I dozed through k.d. lang's appearance on Arsenio Hall last night. Was anything of interest or import said? Along with "A Dove" I also picked up "Ingenue", k.d.lang's latest sensation. To state it simply, I am in love with this woman. Her music is subtle and altogether transcending. It gnaws away at you slowly. In particular, seeing her perform the songs on TV was tremendous. She has one of the most expressive, out-reaching voices I've ever *seen*. And I stress seen, not heard. Some voices, probably including HR's must be seen to be fully heard, whereas I would claim others (like Kate's) need only be heard to be heard. My favorite song on Ingenue (which people insist on pronouncing "On-ge-new" -- Yikes!) is The Mind of Love. And to my absolute glee she not only performed this on the AH show, but I captured it on video. Yay! This performance is so deep-digging and personal... ahhhh you just have to see it. So I ask, has anyone else fallen in love with katherine dawn >?< Also, to make a long post longer, I must put in a good word for the psychowelders. I saw them with some chicago lovehounds and was very impressed. Having never heard their stuff before, I cannot say too much about them, but I liked what I heard in concert, and I bought the gorgeous CD and will listen to it more and report back any extreme or not so extreme reactions. Till then. ______________________________________________________________________ |--------------------------------.------------------------------------ | || mjm@zylab.mhs. /\/\ / /\/\ "No pinky ring hustlers, || || compuserve.com / / /_/ / / / No sabre-tooth neighbours" || |\_____________________________________________________________________/ \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. 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