21-Aug-91 9:15:34-GMT,2162;000000000001 Received: from [146.101.100.10] by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17542; Wed, 21 Aug 91 05:14:55 EDT Received: from ash.stl.stc.co.uk by hedera.stl.stc.co.uk with Internal SMTP (PP) id <19910821091317-0@hedera.stl.stc.co.uk>; Wed, 21 Aug 1991 10:13:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 10:13:02 +0100 Message-Id: <0094d72816c1c0ac@ash.stl.stc.co.uk> From: Steve Fagg Subject: Getting into Jane To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu X-Vms-Mail-To: ECTO Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 10:10:41 BST Hey Klaus! Don't be tempted to give up on Jane after just two listenings to "The Speckless Sky". If my experience with "Bound by the Beauty" is anything to go by Jane is very much an artist who grows slowly on one, and takes a while to do so too. I bought "Bound by the Beauty" because I'd heard Vickie recommending Jane, and BbtB seems to be the only Siberry CD readily available in the UK. At first I was quite disappointed too, several of the songs seemed pleasant enough in their own way but nothing to get excited about. The phrase "second-rate Joni Mitchell" just about sums up my first reaction. Anyway, I played the CD from time to time over the next few weeks without much change of heart, but then gradually I found little bits of songs really firmly embedded in my brain and little by little I came to appreciate the album a great deal more. Now I really love it (apart from "Everyone Reminds Me of my Dog" which I still think is just plain silly), but it took an awfully long time! So, stick with it Klaus, you too may find that Jane insinuates her way into your affections after a while... You mentioned that two of Jane's albums are out in Germany, if the other one is "Bound by the Beauty" then I'd certainly recommend that, and if it's "The Walk" then I've heard good things about that too. Unfortunately nothing other than "Bound by the Beauty" seems to be available in the UK, does anybody know of a mail order source? -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** Vita? Nole me vitae dicere! *** 21-Aug-91 10:06:35-GMT,8870;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22966; Wed, 21 Aug 91 06:06:11 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA22004; Wed, 21 Aug 91 05:51:35 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 20 Aug 91 23:52:50 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA17048; Tue, 20 Aug 91 23:52:47 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Tue, 20 Aug 91 22:09 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 91 22:09 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: plasm? Vickie here. I'm taking tim of taping my shows to sneak a peak at the mail. First, Klaus, so very sorry, but [ aaak.chinet's flaking out again. as I was saying, my boss would kill me if I faxed to many. What's your home address, I'll mail you a photocopy. Ugh, sorry once again, but I don't like "plasm" at all. I didn't want to say anything, but if this involves something that will be printed on the fanzine, I have to speak up and cast my vote for a resounding and loud "no" to Ectoplas As for us, Ectotians or Ectophiles, both sound great. I just found out today that _Factsheet Five_ (I just posted a review from it) is a really cool thg. It's a zine that reviews other zines, all kinds (comix, music, misc) and music. They have a bbs and an internet address. I called the bbs and left a message in the sysop's mailbox, telling about Ecto. I hope he writes me back, I *think* he'll be interested because FactSheet Five is published out of.....Albany! The bbs # is (518) 479-3879. This guy's address (I missed his name) is 72271.275@compuserve.com Wait, I just found his name...Mike Gunderloy. I can't call the bbs very often, if I'm going to run up our phone bill with calls to Albany, I'd rather talk to Happy :-) but hopefully we can get some e-mail correspondence going. Even if he's not into Happy, surely he must realize how unusual and unique it is to have an unknown, unsigned *local-to-him* artist having their own musical mailing list. I hope he responds, and maybe it will lead to our being written up (thereby getting Happy written up too, this is not an ego thing) and if nothing else, we can send him a copy of Ecto and get reviewed, certainly he would mention her as a local artist. Does the first issue have to have the Homeground article in it? I ask because it's not *anywhere near* done yet on my end, let alone sending it to Happy, her taking time to answer the quetions and sending it back, and typing it in and sending it to Jessica and her getting it printed up and and and and it might be a while :-) I certainly think there is more than enough material to include in the first issue that we don't need it for filler. Homeground probably won't publish that particular issue until the end of the year, so they're not in a big hurry. I'd say, I'll keep working on it, plus culling through for Ecto material and that we should try to get the first issue out within a month. Maybe. Heaping ever more pressure on Jessica, you must have thought of this....that first issue will become a major collector's item. We all know that don't we? Hmmmmmm? I already know that there are record stores that will carry it. Record Exchange in Evanston (thanks for the story about Bill, Mike) and Autographs in Kansas City and Dirt Cheap in Kansas City and I know we could line up many more. I guess what I'm getting at (spit it out Vickie!) is that the first issue especially, should be very nice looking, to compliment Happy's classy act. I can't wait to see the graphics of the logo. I'm not suggesting it be typeset and bound :-) but better than the acverage fanzines floating around. We have a distinct advantage of Jessica's being able to use a laserprinter (uh, *can* you use it for Ecto, Jessica? I don't want to get you in trouble with your boss--Hi Dave! :-) ) to print stuff directly from computer. No hand-typing or hand-writing. Anyway, Jessica, what did you have in mind for layout? I trust you, so I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious. There should be an editorial from Jessica about how it all came about. Mention me, sure, but *don't* downplay your own role in all of this, Jessica. Maybe a FAQ page. A quick "Who is this Happy Rhodes person anyway?" write up for those who just happen to pick up a copy to browse and have never heard of Happy. That comes from knowing in advance it will be carried in record stores. There should be a section on other artists so people can see what other Happy fans are into. Yeah, a great way to promote Kate :-) A first impressions section? Definitely a letters page. I'd *LOVE* to use the photo Happy sent me for the cover. I'll ask Happy if that would be OK. I know that the more complicated this gets the more daunting it seems, but we also (IMHO) should think of the future and think about how this first issue will be cherished by future fans. By current fans, for that matter, but I'm in a "collector's" mindset now for some reason (probably because I just finished reading the Goldmine featuring Kate, and how things that noone ever thought would be inportant are now collector's items) Since the only collector's items (and I really mean in terms of fan cherishability, not monetary value) we have now are the cassettes, Ectozine will be regarded as a truly awesome thing 10 ars from now and beyond.... Jessica, are you sure you're up to this? :-) You're the one, and your name will go down in history!! You offered, and since Happy can't start a fan club, I don't have the resources you do and you've already gotten the PO Box and everything, it all falls on your shoulders. If we can help out as much as humanly possible (typing, gathering, moral support and financial support) that will be great, but still the pressure is on you. I know you're excited, but I just want to know if it's getting to be too much. Please tell us your feelings and thoughts about all this. We care about you and don't want to see Ecto or Ectozine become a burden on you. Since its all only just begun, there's a long way to go and many more people tojoin, you should think seriously about what's to come. Seriously, how can we help? How can we divvy responsibilities? Hoe can we make sure that all this grows and prospers, without collapsing under its own weight? Without *you* collapsing under its weight? I guess I'm just worried that you're OK. I truly want the mailing list and Ectozine to grow and become recognizable forces for promoting Happy, but not at the expense of your health, mental stability (tearing you hair out kind-of-thing :-), marriage, job, friends, family, whatever, everything that should come before a mailing list and fanzine. Jessica, ponder, meditategather your thoughts....and tell us honestly what's on your mind. Oh dear, I should get back to my shows. I don't even know what I'm going to record yet I have a tour itiniary (sp?) for Mouth Music. They'll be in NYC the 12th of Sept. at the Bottom Line. Boston area the 14th & 15th, There's lots of time yet for yu East Coast folks. I'll post the entire thing (unless Greg has one too and gets to it before I do) in a few days. The upcoming-too-soon-to-wait concerts are: 8-22 Minneapolis @Cedar Performing Arts Center 8-24 Chicago@Schubas 8-25 Nashville@328 Performing Hall Greg! Are Muzika's on tour too???? Everyone should go see them too!!! Do you have a date for Chicago? They are *WONDERFUL*, Chris & I saw them last year here in Chicago, when we flew up to see the Bulgarian Chorus and Jane Siberry. (Flew up from Kansas City, where we lived at the time) I got the "New Times" issues I ordered, the one where Happy was reviewed along with Blackgirls. Looking at the actual page and what was on the opposite page I noticed a syncronicity that Jon Drukman would certainly enjoy. Opposite the Happy review is an ad for an upcoming concert of... tada....The Legendary Pink Dots! Life, it is so strange :-) Mitch, there really isn't a "deluxe" edition of I & II. Long ago, they decided to record *all* of the tapes in real time. They were offered then as a set for $17.00. Prices have gone up a bit, but you're still getting the same thing. I guess they used to have some dubbed at high speed, back when they sold more than just one or two at a time and those were offered at a lower pice. I would imagine (I haven't asked) that they got complaints about the quality and so just decided to record in real time all the time. Anyway, you're not "missing" out on anything, and don't have to worry about it. That's it, see you later... Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us ps: Klaus, um...don't give it away or trade it or anything. Have it around handy for when....:-) 21-Aug-91 16:45:51-GMT,1200;000000000001 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16883; Wed, 21 Aug 91 12:44:56 EDT Received: from E40-008-10.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00416; Wed, 21 Aug 91 12:45:16 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-10.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02961; Wed, 21 Aug 91 12:44:42 -0400 Message-Id: <9108211644.AA02961@e40-008-10.MIT.EDU> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: WOW! Unbelievable! Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 12:44:39 EDT Hi everyone, I am back! I just browsed through the messages in Ecto that appeared while I was away... An Ectophile tape, an Ecto-zine, an Ecto-T-shirt, WOW!!! Happy #1 on a playlist!!! WOW again!!! I must confess that I listened to three tapes while in Greece. My Happy Hits, Greg's TWW tape, and REM's OOT, all the time. I turned 3 of my friends into Happy-philes, and I will send them Happy Hits tapes so they can spread the word. No Radio-Play though... The DJ was on vacation, but my friend promised she will play Happy for him. More when I recover from my jet lag. Angelos ------- 'All those nights with my eyes on your face and your words in my dreams Now I know, what the value of ignorance means'- Sinead 21-Aug-91 19:08:37-GMT,5222;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07834; Wed, 21 Aug 91 15:08:09 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28996; Wed, 21 Aug 91 15:07:54 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 15:07:50 EDT From: jessica To: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: plasm? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 20 Aug 91 22:09 CDT Message-Id: I have to admit i don't really like "ectoplasm" and I tihnk we have plenty of other words.. :) I've sent mail to Mike Gunderloy inquiring about subscriptions.. hopefully they mail Factsheet Five out? The first ectozine issue can certainly go out before the Homeground article is ready! I didn't realize that owuld be so much longer! I agree that the first issue should be particularly as nice as we can make it. It going to depend how many copies i make - whether i can laserprint it here at work.. I'm sure it's not appropriate for me to use the resources like that - althought certainly i can make a laserprinted original for the copiers to use - and kinkos (and/or this new copy place here at the university) does have laser printers - at the worst, i'll have it some mac-format and i'm pretty sure they can laser print from that. it'll probably cost more, but especially if i digitize and include the picture (that is a *very* good idea, i had been intending to ask if you'd ask happy if she'd mind! I think that every issue should have at *least* one, if not two or three, photos of her.. People like that kind of thing a *lot* :):):) it'll be worth it. For layout - well, the logo on top of the first page, of course, and well, i'll have to work out the exact layout when i have all the material :) I definitely like the idea of a "first impressions section". We have enough right here in ecto for one full page if not more, of that. Definitly a letters page. Klaus' offer to german subscribers. I think obviously the best place for a "who is Happy Rhodes anyway?" is of course, the front page. That could be dedicated to: a short biography/backgroupnd info; old reviews (we'll need to make sure we get permission for anything we use); maybe the stuff from the AG catalog; I'd certinaly like to ask Happy to be involved a little in that part - to make sure we write the sort of intro she'd like people to get - I definitely don't want to make *any* mistakes on the background info!! I'm thniking it could look like this. printed on one large sheet sideways, then folded in half, like this: -------+------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | -------+------- So that would be pages 2 and 3 showing. it would come folded, thus like this: -------- | Ecto | |------| Only of course, to better scale. The logo isn't gonna | | take up the whole top third of the first page :) | | | | -------- If the picture is on the cover, the only problem is it might distract from the logo - or vice versa - i'm thinking, on the cover, we could have the "Warpaint" cover. It woudl go along with background info leading up to the notice of her latest release "Warpaint" on cd/cassette. Page 2 could be "first impressions". Page 3 could be Picture at the top, and "letters" under and continuing to the backside, page 4. On page 4 will be AG ordering info, (with the AG logo if Kevin and Happy like, i'm sure we could scan it in nicely) and Klaus' info, and anything else people come up with. With a folded design we get 4 full pages without having to worry abotu binding and it ought to look good. What color/type paper do people like? I'd certainly like the photo to be on whatever color background it will look best on. Is it a color photo or b/w? I'd love to have colored paper, i tihnk it will make the zine stand out a little better. But a b/w photo should be on white background probably - I have an idea that could work out pretty well, so i tihnk we could still go with colored paper - what do people tihnk about that? Don't worry about me being up to this. I certainly am! There's no question i've been overwhelmed with stuff at work and life in general for a while, but things are definitely looking better, and i've organized myself and my priorities much better. And i've made ecto (and ectozine) a priority. I thnik it's not just a fun and exciting thing to do, it's *important*. it's really going to (I hope!) make a difference to a lot of people, and I really want to help be a part of that. One of the things I'm definitely learning how to do is to not take *everything* on myself, but to be realistic about what i can and can't do, and to get other people's help whenever I can.. And with the bunch of supportive people like we have here i am honestly not one bit worried :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 21-Aug-91 20:20:58-GMT,725;000000000001 Received: from Chip.CS.UCLA.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16548; Wed, 21 Aug 91 16:20:33 EDT Message-Id: <9108212020.AA16548@aramis.rutgers.edu> Date: 21 Aug 91 13:17:48 U From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Ectozine printing (was- Re- To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply to: Ectozine printing (was: Re: plasm?) I'm willing to donate some laser printing. All I need is a Mac file, and I can print it out and send the pages back right away. No trouble at all, and I'd love a chance to be able to contribute in some small way to the 'zine. I may also have access to a b/w flat bed scanner, if we need it. Just let me know, and I'll see if I can borrow it for awhile. Tom 21-Aug-91 21:16:23-GMT,2317;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23105; Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:15:53 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08426; Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:15:45 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:15:45 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9108212115.AA08426@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: plasm? jessica sez: >I have to admit i don't really like "ectoplasm" and I tihnk we have >plenty of other words.. :) don't worry about it. it's a bit of a joke actually - when jesssica first was fishing for suggestions for names for the mailing list, i thought ectoplasm would be a neat name. she used it initially, but then at the suggestion of others, it was changed to ecto. i wasn't hurt...really... (grin) >I've sent mail to Mike Gunderloy inquiring about subscriptions.. >hopefully they mail Factsheet Five out? yes. for a while, i was subscribed to it, but then i overloaded. it's definitly worth it though - some very strange and wonderful things can be found between its pages. and i highly suggest that you folks send a copy of the ecto 'zine to mike. make it pretty too... ;) for some happy content, i listened to side one of _rearmament_ as i dozed off to sleep last night. only recall the first two songs though. i did like the way that she mixed both guitars and synths on the first track (was it the first one? i don't remember now). after two tapes where she segregated the two styles, it was nice to see the first time that she mixed the two - and it was fairly good. i still don't particularly like that flat sound that characterizes her work. i don't know if it's production (or lack there of) or not, but it certainly detracts from its appeal. and i think that happy's "true" voice (recall the discussion about her multiple pitches) has got to be the voice she uses on the verses for "the wretches gone awry". least that's the song that i think most closely characterizes her voice. also, probably, the song of hers that i like the most so far. followed closely by "under and over the brink" (which seems to be, to me, almost like KaTe's "suspended in gaffa" in its melodic playfulness). woj@remus.rutgers.edu -- smou/dj-for-hire -- mentally alert (try reading) 21-Aug-91 22:20:05-GMT,1276;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29562; Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:19:50 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac35.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA01881; Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:19:50 CDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:19:50 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9108212219.AA01881@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Zine-stuff Factsheet Five is a very cool resource indeed. It comes out 6 times a year I think, and is totally packed with tiny little reviews of everything under the sun, primarily self-published stuff-- especially zines and tapes. I'll try to remember to bring the subscription info tomorrow. Its frequency and packed-ness do make it hard to keep thoroughly up-to-date with. I could never imagine that many tapes got sold thru it, coz the reviews are so minimal. Secondly, this stray idea occurred to me: I'm starting to get requests from individuals to subscribe to my Gaffa newsbriefs service. I really want to avoid this, so... would a couple of pages of "the best of love-hounds" fit with the ecto philosophy? coz then i could refer individuals there, they could get katenews for a very modest price, and hooked on happy at the same time...? 21-Aug-91 22:20:05-GMT,1276;000000000011 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29562; Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:19:50 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac35.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA01881; Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:19:50 CDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:19:50 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9108212219.AA01881@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Zine-stuff Factsheet Five is a very cool resource indeed. It comes out 6 times a year I think, and is totally packed with tiny little reviews of everything under the sun, primarily self-published stuff-- especially zines and tapes. I'll try to remember to bring the subscription info tomorrow. Its frequency and packed-ness do make it hard to keep thoroughly up-to-date with. I could never imagine that many tapes got sold thru it, coz the reviews are so minimal. Secondly, this stray idea occurred to me: I'm starting to get requests from individuals to subscribe to my Gaffa newsbriefs service. I really want to avoid this, so... would a couple of pages of "the best of love-hounds" fit with the ecto philosophy? coz then i could refer individuals there, they could get katenews for a very modest price, and hooked on happy at the same time...? 22-Aug-91 0:09:55-GMT,904;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10856; Wed, 21 Aug 91 20:09:46 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA12369; Wed, 21 Aug 91 19:09:41 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA28964; Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:41:39 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA01136; Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:41:37 CDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:41:37 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108212241.AA01136@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ectophiles Hmmm.... now I'm confused, but I'd like to suggest that the fanzine (ECTOZINE till now, I believe) actually be called ectophiles! (I like the play on words and it has a nicer ring to it than ectozine). Any seconds? -mjm 22-Aug-91 0:45:56-GMT,764;000000000001 Received: from hermes.intel.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13515; Wed, 21 Aug 91 20:45:47 EDT Received: by hermes.intel.com (5.57/10.0i); Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:46:15 -0700 Received: by gaffa (4.1/10.0i); Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:45:40 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:45:40 PDT From: gsady@gaffa.intel.com (Gene Sady ~) Message-Id: <9108220045.AA16776@gaffa> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Happy music samples Reply-To: gsady@mcd.intel.com X-Mailer: RMAIL/mail [GNU Emacs 18.55.3] Greetings, Please excuse this rather basic question, but I just joined the mail list today. How can I get some tapes/CD's of Happy's music. I understand that she does not have a record contract. Thanks, Gene Sady Intel Corparation Folsom, CA gsady@gaffa.intel.com 22-Aug-91 1:31:42-GMT,3003;000000000001 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17493; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:31:24 EDT Message-Id: <9108220131.AA17493@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3205; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:31:44 EDT Received: from NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 6237; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:31:43 EDT Received: from NUACVM (JLUECK) by NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1238; Wed, 21 Aug 91 20:30:11 CDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 20:28:43 CDT From: Jeff Lueck Organization: NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY Subject: Happy Lyrics To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu X-Acknowledge-To: 1) Waking Up We're waking up Yes; it's good We're waking up I knew we would There's a breath of hope for everyone to share. There's a growing force of people who care. In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way. I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world. We're waking up Yes, it's clear We're waking up Dawn is here Feel the seering heat of heightened consciousness. Feel the yearning for peace and happiness. For all the times I'd wished that we would finally come around, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world. TYPISTS NOTE: "FEEL THE SEERING HEAT OF..." was typed exactly as appeared in the CD booklet, but I think it is a typo that should be "SEARING HEAT". According to Uncle Webster: SEAR - TO BURN, SCORCH, OR INJURE WITH OR AS IF WITH SUDDEN APPLICATION OF INTENSE HEAT. SEER - ONE THAT SEES, ETC.... ANY OF VARIOUS INDICAN UNITS OF WEIGHT.... 2) Feed the Fire So many powerful beings, So many in tune with life. Imagination abounds here. There's wisdom and great insight. My ears are luck to hear these glorious songs of inspiration. And voices crafted from thunder, the power of life. I want to go back to the trees where my art was born, and I was duly sworn to be alive. A live burning force forever more and evermore. I feed the fire. There is a road straight to my heart, traveled by those with fire. I hope to follow their patterns. There's many more to inspire. I live to see my fondest dreams realized, of living under the sights and sounds of the gifted, who gave so much to me. I want to go back to the trees where my art was born, and I was duly sworn to be alive. A live burning force forever more and evermore. I feed the fire. Allow me someday to touch you, the way that you've all touched me. I thank you for your expressions. You music has set me free. I want to go back to the trees where my art was born, and I was duly sworn to be alive. A live burning force forever more and evermore. I feed the fire. | JEFF "CHIP" LUECK | OFFICE PHONE: (708) 467-1897 | |HUMAN RESOURCES, NORTHWESTERN UNIV.| EMAIL: JLUECK@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU| |720 UNIV. PL, EVANSTON, IL 60208 | | 22-Aug-91 1:56:45-GMT,853;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19885; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:56:31 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA06123; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:02:50 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:00:34 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA02838; Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:00:32 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:31 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:31 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: To Greg and Jessica Chris here, Vickie asked me to post that she is faxing you something right now. If you are still at work, go check... 22-Aug-91 1:56:45-GMT,853;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19885; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:56:31 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA06123; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:02:50 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:00:34 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA02838; Wed, 21 Aug 91 18:00:32 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:31 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:31 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: To Greg and Jessica Chris here, Vickie asked me to post that she is faxing you something right now. If you are still at work, go check... 22-Aug-91 1:58:56-GMT,1940;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20199; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:58:34 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA06129; Wed, 21 Aug 91 21:02:54 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 21 Aug 91 19:41:25 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03740; Wed, 21 Aug 91 19:41:24 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Wed, 21 Aug 91 19:08 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 19:08 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: happless `Happy Happy take me away!' being stuck as a good citizen in jury duty for the past three days i haven't had one chance to read ecto - though i did skim my 48 post backlog yesturday - your right Vickie you did go post crazy :) I also havent had one chance to listen to happy i forgot my walkman today....but had my headphones and tapes....brain is frazzled! Anyway good to see Jessica is back...ill be sending you something soon for Ectozine - and something I forgot to put in the painting pack...speaking of paintings.... I saw a place today down in Chicago that would make a t-shirt from any photo...im thinking that tomorrow when i go back down to the corrupted government that I might bring the vol1 pick and see if they can make me a t-shirt....unfortunately it's kind of expensive - and it would be slightly `not very nice' to do without Happy's permission --- but i can just see myself coming home with vol1 monster staring out at all those yuppie businessmen/women on the train home! :) welll enough gibberish tatoodles from a very tired kIrI - who is now excited to see Mouth Music on Sat. even though she has no idea what they/them/it sounds like. Vickie: I WILL listen to your show tonight. :) 22-Aug-91 2:32:05-GMT,1705;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23271; Wed, 21 Aug 91 22:31:49 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA14108; Wed, 21 Aug 91 22:31:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 91 22:31:51 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108220231.AA14108@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Phobos PHOBOS ====== copyright 1991 Happy Rhodes published by Hovering Slab Music (BMI) Who is by my immortal side, Who's the cloak when i need to hide? Who confirms my reality, harbors my individuality? I carry hopes and dreams from the stars above to guide me. I have a friend in Phobos, at times i think I'm almost there. When I look back on all the years I was warm in my coat of drears. Never once lacking company, through cloads I could feel a symphony I had the notes and themes of the stars above to guide me. I have a friend in Phobos, at times i think I'm almost there. It's you and me, my moon. It's you and me. There's a place representative of the land where my creatures live. It embodies my will to be. This has nothing to do with destiny. I carry skill and schemes from the stars above to guide me. I have a friend in Phobos, at times i think I'm almost there. It's you and me, my moon. It's you and me. It's you and me, my moon. It's you and me. My moon. My friend, my moon. Who is king over my domain, what's the force that has kept me sane? Making certain I'm not alone, making certain my heart will not be prone. I had the hopes and dreams of the stars above to guide me. I have a friend in Phobos, at times I think I'm almost there. I have a friend in Phobos, at times I think I'm almost... -greg -- gb10@gte.com 22-Aug-91 7:09:07-GMT,1865;000000000001 Received: from portal.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25288; Thu, 22 Aug 91 03:08:36 EDT Return-Path: Received: by nova.unix.portal.com (5.65b/4.1 1.39) id AA05179; Thu, 22 Aug 91 00:11:12 -0700 Received: by portal.unix.portal.com (1.70) id AA28773; Thu, 22 Aug 91 00:10:43 -0700 Received: by hobo.corp.portal.com (4.1/4.0.3 1.7) id AA25517; Thu, 22 Aug 91 00:10:43 PDT To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: L-H@cup.portal.com Subject: Re: ectophiles Lines: 26 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 00:10:42 PDT Message-Id: <9108220010.1.119@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) Hi everyone! This is first of all, a test to see if this, my first post to ecto, actually posts, and second, to reply to mjm's idea: Hmm, I prefer Ectozine, myself, for just the opposite reasons that you like Ectophiles! I'll explain: Sure, it (Ectophile) is a play on words, but I like the play on words of Ectozine, namely, to me, a play on the term "fanzine." "Ectophiles," used as a magazine title, reminds me too much of the world pedophile (in other words, a negative connotation, something I wholly disassociate with Happy Rhodes. If I saw a magazine on the stand called "ectophiles," I probably wouldn't be curious to look at it.). What's curious about this is that I feel totally different about this word (ectophiles) whe it is used to describe a person who loves Happy's music. I hope that made some sense :-). Also, IMHO, I think that "ectozine" has a "nicer ring" to it than "ectophiles." Maybe I just said the same thing over again, huh? :-) Boy, what a way to come into the Happy group, disagreeing with someone! As a fan from "way back" :-), I'm so, well, happy to be here! I've got lots of things to say about how much I LOVE Happy's music!! Larry (L-H@cup.portal.COM) "...children it's your turn..." 22-Aug-91 9:07:19-GMT,2794;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03995; Thu, 22 Aug 91 05:06:18 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA21663; Thu, 22 Aug 91 11:02:53 +0200 From: Klaus Kluge Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 11:04:14 +0200 Message-Id: <9108220904.AA12468@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: stuff Steve (Hi!) wrote: > Hey Klaus! Don't be tempted to give up on Jane after just two listenings > to "The Speckless Sky". If my experience with "Bound by the Beauty" is Oh no, I don't give up that easily. So many ectophiles love Janes music, so I have to find out why. :) and: > You mentioned that two of Jane's albums are out in Germany, if the other > one is "Bound by the Beauty" then I'd certainly recommend that, and if > it's "The Walk" then I've heard good things about that too. Actually I have no idea what the two albums available in Germany are. I got TSS by swapping discs with Derek, who is in the States, and he told me that there are two available. I have to ask him what they are. Vickie (Hi!) wrote: > as I was saying, my boss would kill me if I faxed to many. > What's your home address, I'll mail you a photocopy. You won't believe it, but I wasn't asking for a fax of the photo. I was using a signature with the fax-number before I got your fax-offer. What a coincidence. I think I can wait until the picture is available as a gif. and: > ps: Klaus, um...don't give it away or trade it or anything. Have it > around handy for when....:-) ??? are refering to 'The speckless sky' ??? Angelos wrote: > Hi everyone, I write: Hi Angelos, welcome back. Jessica wrote what possibly many thought: > the chorus with "i am a peaceful man" has always made me feel that the > character had been a man in the previous world. Can't it be man as a neuter member of mankind? So like "I am a peaceful person", just that 'man' sounds better. (I have to confess that's not my idea but Claudia's) After just finishing a book which used reincarnation quite interestingly ("Nothing sacred" by Elizabeth Ann Scarborough), this interpretation sounds very reasonable for that song. I have just noticed that we have completed the Warpaint lyrics. Great. Thanks you all very much. Bye, Klaus. Klaus Kluge - kkluge@Materna.DE _______________________________________________________________ In the desert, in a distance, Is a man who prays. ) Real He is finished with the image. He has changed his face. ( Rainbirds Bows his head down to the ground. He is waiting unconcerned. ) (91) Lifts his head up to the sky. And so he will remain. (______________ 22-Aug-91 9:07:44-GMT,1415;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04138; Thu, 22 Aug 91 05:07:06 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA21695; Thu, 22 Aug 91 11:03:45 +0200 From: Klaus Kluge Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 11:05:05 +0200 Message-Id: <9108220905.AA12493@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Fast Forward After praising Happys work for quite a while, let's put praise aside for some days and talk about the not so brilliant songs. Some days ago Vickie mentioned that she used to fast forward "Box H.A.P" in her early Happy-years. Now I am curious to know if other ectophiles have Happy-songs where they also use(d) that button. In my case it is "He's Alive". About half of the time I use the FF button on that song. The other half I manage to go through it. It's the only song of all 5 tapes where I have to do it. I'm not sure about the reasons, but somehow it hurts my ears. _________________________________________________________ | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | | --- Happy Rhodes --- | | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | 22-Aug-91 13:21:20-GMT,710;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24083; Thu, 22 Aug 91 09:21:03 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac35.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA04282; Thu, 22 Aug 91 08:20:59 CDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 08:20:59 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9108221320.AA04282@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Zine-stuff More Factsheet Five stuff: you can email Mike Gunderloy at either: 72271.275@compuserve.com or ffmike@well.sf.ca.us Subscriptions are $23 for 8 issues (one year) (first class is $33) Outside US $27 or $50 (surface or air) Next deadlines: Sept 5 for #45, Oct 17 for #46 22-Aug-91 13:21:20-GMT,710;000000000011 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24083; Thu, 22 Aug 91 09:21:03 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac35.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA04282; Thu, 22 Aug 91 08:20:59 CDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 08:20:59 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9108221320.AA04282@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Zine-stuff More Factsheet Five stuff: you can email Mike Gunderloy at either: 72271.275@compuserve.com or ffmike@well.sf.ca.us Subscriptions are $23 for 8 issues (one year) (first class is $33) Outside US $27 or $50 (surface or air) Next deadlines: Sept 5 for #45, Oct 17 for #46 22-Aug-91 16:29:56-GMT,934;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21015; Thu, 22 Aug 91 12:29:29 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA01589; Thu, 22 Aug 91 09:29:11 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA00380; Thu, 22 Aug 91 09:27:04 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 09:27:04 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9108221627.AA00380@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: Klaus Kluge Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9108220905.AA12493@elwood.Materna.DE> Subject: Fast Forward I'd always have to fast-forward through "Beat It Out" on Vol. II. Often I'd just skip everything after "To the FunnyFarm" and rewind the tape to the first side. Now, though, I've started liking "The Chase" more so I'm willing to sit through "Beat It Out" although I tend not to listen too closely to it. 22-Aug-91 18:09:43-GMT,818;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04016; Thu, 22 Aug 91 14:09:22 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA28257; Thu, 22 Aug 91 13:09:17 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA29746; Thu, 22 Aug 91 13:07:18 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA04491; Thu, 22 Aug 91 13:07:16 CDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 13:07:16 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108221807.AA04491@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Mouth Music I called Schuba's in Chicago... Mouth Music is not playing there this Sat.... so, did you you say the 24th or the 25th (Sunday)? -mjm 22-Aug-91 21:29:59-GMT,1406;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26496; Thu, 22 Aug 91 17:29:36 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28480; Thu, 22 Aug 91 17:29:34 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 17:29:34 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9108222129.AA28480@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: stuff I don't have time to write a lot, i just wanted to mention that Warpaint was the first of happy's music i heard, and I too was hooked from the very first few moments of "waking up" i was listening to warpaint on the way home two nights ago, and i still think it's all brilliant. I'm paying more attention (oops) to the details of the music, and much if it is really much simpler than it sounds, though it comes across with a complex feel... and yet, simple as it is.. it's by no means repetitive, boring, ,.. the music is really brilliantly conceived, i think. well, it makes me feel good anyway, what more can i ask? And today listening to ecto and volume 1. Well waht can i say? I tihnk it's all brilliant.. I must admit i used to FF over "he's alive" . i appreciate it more now knowing what it expresses. it expresses that so *well* that it's excellent. I just don't always like to hear it ;) it's a bit scary i guess ;) i listen to it now.. there are parts of it i really like. well, back to programming.. jessica 22-Aug-91 22:09:28-GMT,853;000000000011 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02128; Thu, 22 Aug 91 18:09:17 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA02524; Thu, 22 Aug 91 17:09:12 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA29828; Thu, 22 Aug 91 15:17:42 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA07453; Thu, 22 Aug 91 15:17:40 CDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 15:17:40 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108222017.AA07453@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: dave@mars.njit.edu Everytime I mail something to ecto, I get a note from the rutgers postmaster that this address does not exist. Whatever gives oh humble pseudo-moderatress? -mjm 23-Aug-91 3:22:36-GMT,1166;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04670; Thu, 22 Aug 91 23:22:12 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA00682; Thu, 22 Aug 91 22:22:08 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9108230322.AA00682@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Kate To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 22:22:07 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] On the way home from a white water rafting trip tonight, well, to make things short I found an old tape given to me from a friend. One side held Peter Gabriel's "Security" while the other held Kate Bush..can't remember the title, but it had "Love Hounds" on it. Although I'm still listening to it. (and it was dark outside so I haven't the faintest of real titles here) Something like "Howard's Grove" impressed me enough to find the urge to go out to buy the cd tomorrow, possibly rerecord it onto tape before I take off again for the wkend. I figure, I'll have been Bush'ed and Happy-ophiled before long. And then I'll leave my opnions, but first time through, I'd have to say, I still prefer Happy. Mjm: Have more lyrics, soon to come. Jeanne 23-Aug-91 4:03:55-GMT,877;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08373; Fri, 23 Aug 91 00:03:25 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA08814; Thu, 22 Aug 91 21:03:21 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA02050; Thu, 22 Aug 91 21:01:16 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 21:01:16 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9108230401.AA02050@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9108230322.AA00682@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Kate Wow, did you ever have me puzzled for a while. "Howard's Grove"? "Now Howard's Grove are hunting I've always been a coward And I don't know what's good for me" :-) At least I assume that's the song you are talking about. "Hounds of Love" sounds the most like "Howard's Grove", anyway. 23-Aug-91 9:02:06-GMT,1246;000000000001 Received: from [146.101.100.10] by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08099; Fri, 23 Aug 91 05:01:28 EDT Received: from indigo.stl.stc.co.uk by hedera.stl.stc.co.uk with Internal SMTP (PP) id <19910823090001-0@hedera.stl.stc.co.uk>; Fri, 23 Aug 1991 10:00:04 +0100 Received: from ash.stl.stc.co.uk on indigo.stl.stc.co.uk over SMTP id AA01446; Fri, 23 Aug 91 09:59:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 09:59:39 +0100 Message-Id: <0094d8b6ecdacc81@ash.stl.stc.co.uk> From: Steve Fagg Subject: Names of things... To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu X-Vms-Mail-To: ECTO Just my 2p worth: I agree with keeping "Ectozine" for the 'zine, seems to me that "Ectophiles" ought to mean us, the people, and "Ecto" is this, the email list. Might save some confusion in the future, and I think sorting out confusion, making sense of things, and gaining & communicating understanding is what a lot of Happy's music is about so it's maybe inappropriate to deliberatly court confusion. But then what do *I* know? :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** Vita? Nole me vitae dicere! *** 23-Aug-91 9:57:41-GMT,1339;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13519; Fri, 23 Aug 91 05:57:10 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA02772; Fri, 23 Aug 91 11:53:47 +0200 From: Klaus Kluge Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 11:54:52 +0200 Message-Id: <9108230954.AA22870@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Names of things... Steve wrote: > I agree with keeping "Ectozine" for the 'zine, seems to me that "Ectophiles" > ought to mean us, the people, and "Ecto" is this, the email list. Might save Oh, and I thought "Ecto" was the name of the album ;-) . Just my 2 Pf worth: Maybe we should put a small glossary into Ectozine to avoid confusion. Didn't somebody come up with a name for the mailing list? Ectolist or Ectomail? I can't remember. Klaus Kluge - kkluge@Materna.DE ______________________________________________________________ Yeah, mama never falters. As long as mama's her name. \ Big fat cat And no matter what I did. You were there to take the blame. \ Rainbirds But now I found, you're a cat. And you live seven different lives.\ (91) It gets too confusing... you confuse me - you confuse me. \________ 23-Aug-91 11:01:34-GMT,1752;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18995; Fri, 23 Aug 91 07:01:03 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA07229; Fri, 23 Aug 91 06:16:48 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 22 Aug 91 22:10:31 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA23553; Thu, 22 Aug 91 22:10:28 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Thu, 22 Aug 91 21:35 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 91 21:35 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: braindead I like Ectozine or just plain Ecto for fanzine name if that thread is still going....uggh geez how come i feel like im in outerspace - maybe on phobos i won't have rearII rx etc. until i am fully back at school. To go off on another thread that has nothing to do with Happy... I just found Sarah McLachlan's Touch CD after extensive search. I think I finally realize why it didnt become very popular in the states. The CD version of Touch is organized sloppily compared to the album (nice english eh? :) ). I got the CD listened and actually was disappointed compared to the album. The versions of some of the songs were really different, and the CD's progression just didnt have the impact that the album had. Did anyone else find this to be so?? I mean I love both recordings but the album is far superior - more powerful. I remember when I first heard Happy I thought it was Sarah, not! :) So this discussion is not entirely unrelated to Happy :) kIrI hargie@chinet.chi.il.us "DOES IT BOTHER YOU, IT BOTHERS ME!!!" jane 23-Aug-91 11:32:44-GMT,3840;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21786; Fri, 23 Aug 91 07:32:10 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA07495; Fri, 23 Aug 91 06:20:42 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 23 Aug 91 03:08:15 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA28301; Fri, 23 Aug 91 03:08:12 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Fri, 23 Aug 91 02:14 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 02:14 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Welcomes & info Vickie here. First, a great big **HI** to Steve. I just realized I never said that, though I meant to. I thought I'd already posted a welcome, but going back over past posts I saw I didn't. It was great to meet you at the Konvention in London, I just wished I'd gotten to spend more time with you. Welcome to Happyland! Another big **HI** to Larry, who was the first Love-Hound to buy Happy's tapes, over a year ago. I just sent him August-to-date Ecto posts. I sent it all in one big chunk and it bounced, but someone along the path separated it into smaller chunks and sent it on to Larry. Thanks to that unknown person, for doing what I should have done to begin with. Gee, maybe he'll do June and July Ecto too :-) Also, welcomes to Gene (I tried to e-mail you once a *long* time ago and it bounced), it's great to see you here. Welcomes also to anyone else new to Ecto. Jessica, can we have an updated list of who we all are? I didn't see an answer to this by Gene: > Please excuse this rather basic question, but I just joined the > mail list today. How can I get some tapes/CD's of Happy's music. I > understand that she does not have a record contract. Hello! The address to order Happy's music is: Aural Gratification P.O. Box 8658 Albany, NY 12208 The discography: 1) Rhodes Vol. I 2) Rhodes Vol. II 3) Rearmament 4) Ecto 5) Warpaint 1-4 are only available on cassette 5 available on CD and cassette The CD is $13.99 The tapes are $9.99 each. Postage for one CD is $2.00 Postage for one tape is $1.50 Each additional tape is $ .35 apiece. If you were to buy just the 4 tapes, the total postage would be $2.55. For the CD and all 4 tapes, postage would be $3.40. As to which one to get? That's a toughie, because I love them all. There's a huge difference between 1 and 5, and the progression is evident in the middle three. If you asked (I know you didn't) the people here, you'd get lots of different answers. My suggestion would be 1 and 5, and if you like them, you should almost certainly maybe IMHO (see, I've learned my lesson from gaffa) like the middle three. It's just about impossible to know what different people will like, but those 2 will let you hear where Happy started and where she's at now. No, I take that back. Her 6th album will (from hints we've gotten) probably be very different from Warpaint. Anyway, let us know what you decide. I'd love to hear your reactions to what ever you get. FYI, if you ask Happy to autograph the tapes and/or CD, she will! We need a FAQ for new people. I've got one partially worked up. The info above came from it. I'll post the finished version for additions, corrections or comments when I finish. I should have had one done a long time ago, but it just occured to me to do one a few days ago. I'm glad people read and reacted to my "Update" post in gaffa. I've had 2 e-mail queries. I'll probably post some kind of Update every few weeks or so. Again, welcome all newcomers. Angelos, it's great to have you back!! Was your mailbox stuffed or did you just go through the archives? Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 23-Aug-91 11:36:06-GMT,5093;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22111; Fri, 23 Aug 91 07:35:48 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA07501; Fri, 23 Aug 91 06:20:45 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 23 Aug 91 03:08:21 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA28314; Fri, 23 Aug 91 03:08:18 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Fri, 23 Aug 91 02:16 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 02:16 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Bits & pieces Vickie here. Just a few thoughts... I always used to ff through "He's Alive" too, because it separated two of my favorite songs, "Given In" and "Possessed", but after Happy told me that it was based on one of her monster paintings I started hearing it in an entirely different way. Until the Lyrics Project, I never could understand the "Alice arise" part, which is vital in understanding what the song is about. Well, I guess not, unless you know that "Alice" is a monster she's summoning to life. "Roam the streets...invade their dreams" Wow! Now the song conjures up a mind movie every time I hear it. It's creepy and eerie and atmospheric, and I just love it now. Kevin told me that when she'd perform the song live, she'd walk out into the audience and sit on the floor at someone's feet and sing it up to them. Double wow! btw, "Alice" should soon become a gif. Greg? Jessica? Thanks to Klaus, Jeff A., Jeff L, and Greg for the Warpaint lyrics! Wednesday night Warpaint was played at an art gallery show that the president of Sire records was supposed to attend. I talked to Happy Wed. day and I'll call her again this weekend to see if she knows how things went. It all started when the gallery owner heard "Feed The Fire" on WXPN in Philly, bought Warpaint, fell in love with it and wrote Happy to tell her. He mentioned that one of his customers was the president of Sire. He offered to be sort of a middleman. H&K got together a "press pack" (including the two recent reviews from Kansas City) and sent it to the president's assistant. I don't know exact details (I had to keep putting Happy on hold, then finally got too busy to continue the conversation) but the art gallery fellow was putting on the show and knew that the Sire fellow was going to come. He promised to have Warpaint cranked up while Sire guy was there. The above details are sketchy and I'll try to get the story again when I talk to Happy. Accurate details will be vital if indeed this turns into a record contract with Sire. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but she's been turned down by so many record companies so far, that I'm also not holding my breath. The most exciting thing is that someone heard Happy on the radio and it led him to buy the album, then spread the word about Happy. That's great! There's more to type, but I have to go to bed. Tomorrow we're going to see "Barton Fink" and I'm really excited. I'll be typing more this weekend. OH! Mike, whoever you talked to at Schuba's is nuts. Mouth Music will *definitely* be playing Saturday night. Jorn, I for one like your idea of a "best of gaffa" page. I'm a bit wary, because I agree that Happy is her own artist and comparisons with Kate are somewhat unfair to Happy, but this is slightly different. Ecto (and, by extension, Ectozine) owes its very existance to rec.music.gaffa (Love- Hounds) and nearly every person here would never have heard of Happy if it hadn't been for the Kate group. The time will come I'm sure when those who came to this mailing list from gaffa will be in a minority but right now we are almost all from there. We owe some sort of thanks to gaffa. A BoG page would attract Kate fans, who might then get into Happy, and it might get Happy fans to check out Kate. I don't know. No one else has reacted to this. What do other people think? I don't want to be unfair to Happy, who has a hard enough time trying to get away from the Kate connection, but Happy is a Kate Bush fan, as are most of us. I don't see it as being a problem, especially if it's presented as a "thank you" to gaffa. Jessica, I loved your long post about the layout plans. Colored paper would be great. Oh, Happy said she didn't mind if the Ecto-era photo were used for the cover. The original is in color. Happy said she'd hunt around and try to dig up the negative. I'll write more about your ideas in another post. I'm also glad you're up to the pressures of Ecto and Ectozine. I was pleased to see what you wrote. We talked a bit about T-shirts, Kevin wants to talk a bit more in depth about the subject. He's thinking about doing t-shirts too, and we don't want to clash with each other. Greag, a question answered...Happy became a Kate Bush fan when she was 16, in 1981. TKI was the first Kate album she bought. I'm not suprised to see it on her list. Later... Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 23-Aug-91 14:29:57-GMT,1147;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04778; Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:29:22 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17787; Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:29:20 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:29:20 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9108231429.AA17787@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: ectozine Oh yes, there will definitely be an article in "Ecto" the fanzine, explaining who and what "ecto" the electronic mailing list is. Both are called ecto - all lowercase for the mailing list, and Ecto for the zine. we'll probably _refer_ to them as the ectozine and ecto list, just to avoid confusion. but they will both have the same name - i tihnk it helps tie them together, which is important - they will be very intertwined. Which makes me think - those of you with *any* kind of info on getting access to the net publically, could you send it to me for this purpose? I've got some scraps of info in various places but it would be hard to gather together - and i don't know any of it offhand. I'd like to be able to include as much info as possible.. jessica 23-Aug-91 14:48:03-GMT,1837;000000000011 Received: from [146.101.100.10] by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06776; Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:47:47 EDT Received: from indigo.stl.stc.co.uk by hedera.stl.stc.co.uk with Internal SMTP (PP) id <19910823144635-0@hedera.stl.stc.co.uk>; Fri, 23 Aug 1991 15:46:35 +0100 Received: from ash.stl.stc.co.uk on indigo.stl.stc.co.uk over SMTP id AA03825; Fri, 23 Aug 91 15:46:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 15:46:18 +0100 Message-Id: <0094d8e8e98e6b05@ash.stl.stc.co.uk> From: Steve Fagg Subject: .gaffa in the 'zine (Gaffering the 'zine?????) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu X-Vms-Mail-To: ECTO I think Vickie has raised an important point that we should be sensitive to the possible controversy of making too strong an association between Happy and KaTe in the 'zine. Perhaps a reasonable compromise would be to have interesting bits & pieces from .gaffa & elsewhere about a whole range of artists on a page in the 'zine dedicated to "other cool people". If there's things there about Peter Gabriel, Sara McWhatsit, Jane, Sinead, &c., as well as KaTe then it might help to get away from the suggestion that "you have to like Kate to like Happy" or "Happy's just an American Kate" or whatever. We do certainly owe a tremendous debt to rec.music.gaffa (aka Love-Hounds) for bringing us together in Happy-ness on the net(!), so I'm certainly not suggesting we exclude all Kate/.gaffa stuff from the 'zine, and it's always possible (strange though that may seem from my point of view in the UK where KaTe is such a *HUGE* star by comparison) that somebody might get turned on to KaTe via Happy... -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** Vita? Nole me vitae dicere! *** 23-Aug-91 17:38:21-GMT,791;000000000001 Received: from presto.ig.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23170; Fri, 23 Aug 91 13:38:04 EDT Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07177; Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:38:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 10:37:58 PDT From: "John M. Relph" To: Happy Talk Subject: Re: Names of things Message-Id: My less than 2cents worth: We could call the 'zine _Ectopia Times_ and we ourselves would then be Ectopians! I prefer that over Ectotians in any case. I actually don't like the 'zine part of Ectozine, because it should be obvious that it's a 'zine, and thus it shouldn't appear as part of the title. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to come up with anything any better. -- John 23-Aug-91 17:43:21-GMT,1800;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23814; Fri, 23 Aug 91 13:43:03 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20189; Fri, 23 Aug 91 13:42:14 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 13:42:10 EDT From: jessica To: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Zine-stuff In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 21 Aug 91 17:19:50 CDT Message-Id: Hmmm, this is a very interesting idea. It has good points, and it has .. well not neccessarily bad points.. lets see. I like the idea, because it could help get katefans into happy, and happy fans into kate.. So many happy fans are also kate fans, that non-net happy fans who might also be kate fans might really like getting a snippet of waht's going on in love-hounds/gaffa. More impetus for people to get net access - really nice for those that can't. But.. I'm not sure we should have too much if anything on other artists - kate has plenty of "fanzines" about her.. if there's an appropriate place for the "best of love-hounds" it belongs in one of those. I certianly don't mean we shouldn't have mentions and discussions of other related or potentially interesting artists - i just don't thnk it shoudl be a feature of Ecto, because there's a more appropriate place for it, and it could detract from what Ecto is. Still something to think about though. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 23-Aug-91 18:25:59-GMT,3538;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28351; Fri, 23 Aug 91 14:25:51 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20671; Fri, 23 Aug 91 14:25:45 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 14:25:43 EDT From: jessica To: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Zine-stuff In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 22 Aug 91 08:20:59 CDT Message-Id: Hmm, Jorn's info about factsheet five brings up once again the issue of "how many issues/year?" which i've been tihnking a lot baout. Factsheet Five is 8 issues/year. that's 45 days between issues. I tihnk i prefer that to 30 days between issues. And i prefeer it to 60. two months seems too long. one month is too short (for me... I want this to be as high quality and informative as possible.. ) so 45 days which means 8 issues a year, sounds perfect! What do other people think?? I also think I'm going to provide postcards for important "can't wait for the next issue" information - like tour date announcements, etc.. Anyone who is on the subscription list will of course also recieve and postcard mailings. So, finally to the best news of the day, i stopped by the PO Box this morning, and there were two letters inside!!!!!! One is from Doug Burks, a truly wonderful donation and truly wonderfully supportive letter! Thankyou SOOOOOOO much Doug!!! The other was from a guy in Texas who heard of us through Kevin! This is so great!! He write "Dear Ecto," and i'm pretty sure he won't mind me sharing his letter with all of you - he says: Dear Ecto, Recently I bought Happy Rhodes' _Warpaint_ CD from a local Sound Future store in Dallas, after a member of its staff treated me to some cuts from it. After listening to it for about the third time, I began to realize that something was happening. Then I realized that something was happening to _me_. What was happening was that I was becoming aware of what was in the music. To be given the priveledge of being able to listen to _Warpaint_ whenever I want, as many times as I want, is supremely gratifying. I hope that it is not presumptious for me to speculate that Ms. Rhodes has learned to tap into ancient and primal forces which are as modern today as they were thousands of years ago. She is at once a poet, seeress, adn sage. Her music evokes awe, and makes my neck hairs stand on end. She is a treasure to be revered. Kevin Bartlett has written to me that a tour is in the works, for perhaps as early as late fall. I would very much appreciate it if you would keep me posted on developments, especially for any stop in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I'm enclosing a self-addressed envelope for your convenience. Sincerely, Mark E. Farley Garland, TX Neato, eh!? I'll send him a note and ask if he'd mind if we included his letter in the fanzine.. or do you tihnk it would be ok, since it *is* addressed to it :) Anyway, hopefully in about 5 minutes, I'm on my way to the bank to open up an account for "Ecto" so that checks can be made out directly to it, and it'll be easier to keep track of. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 23-Aug-91 18:38:04-GMT,1300;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29155; Fri, 23 Aug 91 14:37:58 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21488; Fri, 23 Aug 91 14:37:53 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 14:37:52 EDT From: jessica To: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: braindead In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 22 Aug 91 21:35 CDT Message-Id: Eeep!! I *LOVE* Touch (on CD). In waht ways is it different from the album??/ i had *no* idea there was such a thing! (A differently organized album)> I've always thought touch was excellent in all respects - i tihnk it flows perfectly, powerfully - it is absolutely *perfect* to listen to (IMHO :) So.. i want to know waht could possible be better!? (and darnit, when is her new album gonna be out already!!!!?????) (Sorry for the totally happy-less post :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 23-Aug-91 20:49:52-GMT,541;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12864; Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:41 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23039; Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:39 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:39 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9108232049.AA23039@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: well pooh I went to the bank, and had to wait 30 minutes, only to be told i'll need paper work from the town hall! Oh well, i'll have to go next week again. jessica 23-Aug-91 21:03:41-GMT,2712;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00257; Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:03:31 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23141; Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:03:25 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:03:10 EDT From: jessica To: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Bits & pieces In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Aug 91 02:16 CDT Message-Id: in response to vickie: I would *love* to hear "he's alive" live!! Wow, i think i'd prefer it live, actually. Alice can become a GIF in a few moments... (if the scanner's hooked up yet! We've just moved into a new building and i'm not sure what is and isn't owrking, i'm awfully lucky to have found a machine to use at all!) BTW: This means yes, i did finally get the fax - it's great! I love both "Alice" and the ecto-era picture, though it doesn't come out very well on a fax - I *really* want to include it, in color, and i dont' tihnk the cost of doing so will be prohibitive - it'll almost definitely be least expensive if I have 6 copies of the photo. I know that soudns strange, but this is why: The color copier is some amount of money per page of use - i can get 6 copies (It's a VERY high quality color copier, my friend Jeff uses it for his business stuff and the prints come out very impressive) per page if i have 6 originals. copies of copies wouldn't look half as good as copies of copies, so i'll ask Happy about that if she can find the negative. I'm very excited to hear abotu the Sire records thing!!!!! That's generally the way the best things get started - not by the hard work of drudging along trying to get something, but by that piece of luck that just makes things work perfectly!! I hardley know anyone who got the job they have and love by the usual application process - almost every "good" job i've even heard of was gotten through some peice of being in the right place at the right time kind of thing - Wow, i really hope it works out that the Sire guy hears the music and says "Ooh, who is this, i like it" and the art gallery guy can say "It's Happy Rhodes, it's too bad she doesn't have a recording contract" and the sire guy just might say "well, let me see waht i can do to change that" :) hehe, it would be fantastic! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 23-Aug-91 21:03:42-GMT,620;000000000011 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00241; Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:03:27 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA13863; Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:03:21 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9108232103.AA13863@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Ok, I went out and bought it.. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:03:20 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] went out and bought "love Hounds"..so Jessica don't send me any tape of it. So far...as far as I figure. I love most of it. (be patient, diehards, this is listening #1 through) 23-Aug-91 21:04:09-GMT,918;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12864; Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:41 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23039; Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:39 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:39 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9108232049.AA23039@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: well pooh Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12864; Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:41 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23039; Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:39 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 16:49:39 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9108232049.AA23039@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: well pooh I went to the bank, and had to wait 30 minutes, only to be told i'll need paper work from the town hall! Oh well, i'll have to go next week again. jessica 23-Aug-91 21:09:06-GMT,1691;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00381; Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:08:51 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23409; Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:07:22 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:07:12 EDT From: jessica To: Steve Fagg Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: .gaffa in the 'zine (Gaffering the 'zine?????) In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Aug 91 15:46:18 +0100 Message-Id: About the best of gaffa stuff - I definitely think and intend to have mention of gaffa/love-hounds in the first issue. It will be in the article that explains what "ecto" the mailing list is, and how the "Ecto" the fanzine came about. We can include any amount of info - even to the point of including snippets of the discussions that went on there - and i suppose i wouldn't mind including on that page the current "BoG" since we'd have been tlaking about gaffa, it wouldn't seem too odd - but i'm not sure if i'd want it to be a regular feature... I need to tihnk more about that. I just don't tihnk it's completely appropriate. Yes Happy is a Kate fan, and yes, Kate has been a great influence on Happy, and i *don't* want to downplay that or anything.. I'm just very wary of having it be a regular feature... jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 23-Aug-91 21:35:42-GMT,964;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01970; Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:35:25 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17262; Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:35:21 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 17:35:21 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9108232135.AA17262@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: sarah mclachlan incidentially, i have heard the new album, _solace_. it's a bit different thatn _touch_. while the lushness is still spottable in her music, there is a barren starkness there as well. i've only heard it twice, so i can't comment fully, but i think she managed that by getting sparser with the sound, while retaining it. hmm. that didn't make much sense. but in any event, i liked it. it should be available soon (and it has been out in canada for some time). woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - ignore the sexy interface 23-Aug-91 22:11:23-GMT,1284;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07066; Fri, 23 Aug 91 18:10:51 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18463; Fri, 23 Aug 91 18:10:46 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 91 18:10:46 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9108232210.AA18463@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: jorn's gaffa thing just my two pence: i think that it is important to have a variety of artists discussed as well, but i don't think that combining the love-hound update with the ectozine would be a good thing (tm). doing so could just recreate the problem that spawned off ecto in the first place: KaTefans not wanting to hear about happy. how would you like to be a KaTefreak who asks jorn to include him in the love-hounds outreach, only to find that to be a section in a magazine devoted to another artist? a bit annoying, even if the person decides to get some of happy's tapes and falls in love with them. i think it best to keep the two separate. with that in mind, jorn, if you need any help with the outreach thing, let me know - i should be able to give you some time if you need it. woj@remus.rutgers.edu - smou/dj-for-hire - ignore the sexy interface 24-Aug-91 21:53:45-GMT,1567;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16258; Sat, 24 Aug 91 17:52:53 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16126; Sat, 24 Aug 91 17:52:51 EDT Date: Sat, 24 Aug 91 17:52:50 EDT From: jessica To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: [Mike Gunderloy <72271.275@compuserve.com>: Hello!] Message-Id: This is the response from the guy at (used to be) factsheet five: jessica --------------- Received: from klinzhai.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03428; Fri, 23 Aug 91 22:08:26 EDT Received: from ihc.compuserve.com by klinzhai.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27023; Fri, 23 Aug 91 22:08:22 EDT Received: by ihc.compuserve.com (5.65/5.910516) id AA07387; Fri, 23 Aug 91 22:08:22 -0400 Date: 23 Aug 91 21:28:40 EDT From: Mike Gunderloy <72271.275@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Hello! Message-Id: <910824012840_72271.275_EHJ85-1@CompuServe.COM> Factsheet Five has been sold. All inquiries should be directed to Hudson Luce, PO Box 1163, Cincinnati, OH 45201. His internet address is hluce@well.sf.ca.us. || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes ||