7-Aug-91 6:10:42-GMT,1084;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14164; Wed, 7 Aug 91 02:09:48 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA22548; Wed, 7 Aug 91 01:57:53 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 7 Aug 91 00:45:40 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA14205; Wed, 7 Aug 91 00:45:38 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Tue, 6 Aug 91 20:15 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 91 20:15 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Kirstin's weirdness I can't wait to hear Kiri's music, One Alien sounds so cool already and I haven't even heard her version. I have no idea why her mail is coming with our header. I mailed the sysop at our site and hopefully he'll fix it soon. In the meantime, maybe she should write "Kiri here." at the beginning of her letters :-) Weird. Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 7-Aug-91 6:11:38-GMT,577;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14440; Wed, 7 Aug 91 02:11:10 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03333; Wed, 7 Aug 91 02:11:08 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 02:11:08 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9108070611.AA03333@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: .gaffa? lots of you read gaffa or on the love-hounds mailing list.. i haven't seen *anything* in over 24 hours on it! Is it just me? Or is something wrong? Or have there really not been any posts? jessica 7-Aug-91 6:13:38-GMT,1929;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14579; Wed, 7 Aug 91 02:13:11 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA22549; Wed, 7 Aug 91 01:57:54 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 7 Aug 91 00:46:30 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA14219; Wed, 7 Aug 91 00:46:29 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Tue, 6 Aug 91 20:23 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 91 20:23 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Promotional musings... Vickie here. I had had this idea for a while but never followed through on it. Now that the ectozine is close to becoming a reality, it sounds even better because we have something to offer. I was thinking of putting an ad in Goldmine. I had originally thought about doing it to ask for articles, reviews, mentions etc., and that's still important, but now we can offer the zine as well. Goldmine is great because it is about collecting and collectables. Obscurity-wise, who's more collectable than Happy? It will get her name out there and will interest people who are always looking for interesting female artists, plus interest people who are looking for artists to "collect". Whuups, I didn't say that very well, but does everyonge know what I mean? I'll start checking into costs and things (I was going to do it anyway) but now I can ask for help with copy. What should I say in a short Goldmine ad? This was my first thought as a "headline" to get people's attention, but now I don't know about it... England? Kate Bush. Canada? Jane Siberry. America? Happy Rhodes. OK, so that's as far as I got, my mind is fairly blank as to what to say. Ideas? Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 7-Aug-91 7:31:41-GMT,1455;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20909; Wed, 7 Aug 91 03:30:59 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA24099; Wed, 7 Aug 91 09:27:51 +0200 From: Klaus Kluge Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 09:29:31 +0200 Message-Id: <9108070729.AA02482@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: .gaffa > lots of you read gaffa or on the love-hounds mailing list.. > i haven't seen *anything* in over 24 hours on it! Is it > just me? Or is something wrong? Or have there really not been > any posts? > > jessica Nothing from .gaffa in the last 2 days over here. I've posted a message on monday but haven't seen it. And I didn't get it back as undeliverable. So when the mailing list people don't get them as well it must be eddie who is munching them. Arrgh, I have to go to munich for another week. Can't they leave me alone to read ecto and gaffa? But I am thinking about taking the Happy lyrics and a dictionary with me. _________________________________________________________ | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | | --- Happy Rhodes --- | | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | 7-Aug-91 20:14:51-GMT,1332;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14226; Wed, 7 Aug 91 16:14:21 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA10454; Wed, 7 Aug 91 16:14:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 16:14:14 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108072014.AA10454@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Promotional musings... Vickie there, i like the Goldmine idea. What about Option? it seems to be similarly focused... cost is obviously the major issue, though it is also a perfect use of the vast ecto(club) monetary resources... (once we have some, that is...;-} ) copy-wise, i dunno. i have grown wary of overstating the KaTe reference. mentioning KaTe, Jane, etc. in the body of the add wouldn't hurt -- but it seems to me that any description of Happy and her music (as opposed to ecto(zine) and ecto(club)) should come from or be cleared by H&K... i forget what it says in the AG flyer - could we use that? plus, newspaper quotes can be good. a brief blurb on Happy, a list of albums, an address for AG, an address for ecto(all), and a request for ecto-input -- that ought to fill a small add. tack on the amazing yet somehow nonexistent ectologo, and there ya go! BTW, i *still* haven't heard a peep from .gaffa! 8-( footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com 7-Aug-91 20:40:58-GMT,2407;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16660; Wed, 7 Aug 91 16:40:46 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA11971; Wed, 7 Aug 91 16:40:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 16:40:39 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108072040.AA11971@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto(band) the ecto(band) tape proceeds, but i probably won't get it into the mail until the weekend. if you want to get a copy, *please* let me know (and send me your usmail address). here's what you'll get in return: a genuine nifty sheet of recording instructions/suggestions way coolest instructions on returning tapes to me a whizzer Audio Cassette Tape, containing: One Alien (H.R. arrangement) One Alien (super-simple arrangement) Many Nights (H.R. arrangement) Many Nights (super-simple arrangement) original song #1 (super-simple arrangement) original song #2 (more complex arrangement) the idea is: you record yourself playing along with the tape, send your tape back to me, and i mix all the performances into two or three stunning versions. the "super-simple" arrangements are just droning chords and a metronome-type rhythm -- that way, y'all have the flexibility to add bizarre new parts. the full arrangement are provided for reference -- it's probably easier to play over these complete tracks, but i didn't want to influence your ideas by forcing a particular arrangement on you... the original songs are going to be simple rhythms/chord progressions. i leave it up to the singers to find a melody and words, and up to all of us to add interesting bass/keys/guitar/viol/sheet metal/etc. there will probably be a lot of flexibility in creating the final mix (and i can add any missing instruments here) -- i thought i would do multiple mixes of each song, just to see what different styles and 'feels' can be assembled out of the group's ideas... i'm working on getting a disk-based multi-track digital audio setup, but in the meanwhile i'll be assembling with "home-studio" level tape, so don't expect CD quality results. this first tape is really a test of the process, so don't spend too much time on it -- until we prove that the system actually works... if anyone wants to discuss the process further, email or call me! meanwhile, i'm going home and play in the studio! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com 7-Aug-91 22:11:23-GMT,872;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28574; Wed, 7 Aug 91 18:10:55 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA03184; Wed, 7 Aug 91 17:10:50 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.RUTGERS.EDU) id AA16300; Wed, 7 Aug 91 17:01:24 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA04347; Wed, 7 Aug 91 17:01:22 CDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 17:01:22 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108072201.AA04347@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ECTO_BAND Cc: stern@chem.nwu.edu Hey, Greg, please add me to the list of tape-receivees. I am Mike Mendelson Mail to me at 100 Lexington Drive, Suite 201, Buffalo Grove, IL 60089 Thanks. -mjm (mike) 8-Aug-91 1:06:21-GMT,798;000000000001 Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19070; Wed, 7 Aug 91 21:06:05 EDT Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa22021; 7 Aug 91 19:41 EDT Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA27829; Wed, 7 Aug 91 19:41:00 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 19:41:00 EDT From: "Kirstin A. Hargie" Message-Id: <9108072341.AA27829@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: owwww chinet is really messed up so Im writing tfrom my other account it's a pain but at least im getting mail here! greag an ()sorry))( anxiously awaiting tapes! sent address in other well gotta run later krii wow hargie@shit hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu sorry about the swear it slipped out :) (yeah right :)) 8-Aug-91 6:27:54-GMT,2043;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29099; Thu, 8 Aug 91 02:27:41 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA12400; Thu, 8 Aug 91 02:17:16 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 8 Aug 91 00:45:29 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA02496; Thu, 8 Aug 91 00:45:27 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Wed, 7 Aug 91 23:38 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 23:38 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-band-only Kiri Here: Well i've spent the last two hours quite literally in my closet with my fingers glued to the keyboard perfecting my interpretation of the main theme in One ALien....geez I had better look at the other Happy song before these tapes come out. Who else is playing keyboards on _O_A_ etc.??? Im going tomorrow to get new strings for the viol....then I will really start cooking (i think). Now I have a few questions. I have been practicing and perfecting OA by listening to the real song simultaneously. Greg, are you enclosing details as to how exactly we are to record etc. I know I can only record my part....I can't record over the song unless my experimental trip to Vickies works out. Or are you just going to mix together all these parts hopefully in time...:) Yes, I think this should be interesting. As for singing well...I don't know....I guess I could harmonize in the low parts if Jessica can't get as low as Happy...I almost can, but I will be the first admit my voice isn't that great. Oh well who said we had to be perfect. Anyone up for doing a Kate cover...i've always wanted to mess around with Suspended in Gaffa or The Dreaming??? I guess we should see how the first batch turn out....im hopelessly optimistic though! over and under KiRi hargie@chinet.chi.il.us hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu 8-Aug-91 9:49:10-GMT,773;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17491; Thu, 8 Aug 91 05:48:52 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA19979; Thu, 8 Aug 91 05:20:40 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 8 Aug 91 02:30:18 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03413; Thu, 8 Aug 91 02:30:17 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 01:32 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 91 01:32 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: oh yeah, and... Doug, *Loved* what you said in gaffa! :-) Vickie 8-Aug-91 9:52:52-GMT,3217;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17971; Thu, 8 Aug 91 05:52:37 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA19978; Thu, 8 Aug 91 05:20:40 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 8 Aug 91 02:30:15 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03406; Thu, 8 Aug 91 02:30:13 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 01:31 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 91 01:31 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Good news! Vickie here. I talked to Kevin today and he said that someone from WXPN in Philadelphia called him to let him know that "Feed The Fire" was the #1 most requested song on the station!!!!!!!! That's not even the uh...single. :-) Yeah!!!!!!!! 21st Century (Record Store) in Bryn Mawr (NJ? I didn't ask, but it's right outside of Philly, and I just assumed) is selling Warpaints like crazy. Other news... H&K put up the money to place ads in the October, November and December issues of _CD Review_ and hopefully _Warpaint_ will be getting review at some point soon here. Little by little...bit by bit...it's growing.... I called the publisher of _Other Voices_ in Kansas City today and he's sending me copies of the June issue, with the Happy review. If anyone's interested, his name is Steve Vorbeck and the number is (816) 356-9589. He actually may be out of back issues, but if you call to request any, be sure to mention why you want it, how you heard about it and send thanks to Gary Guffey, who wrote the review. He'll pass it on to Gary. For the files: Kevin's birthday is Nov. 21. Via e-mail, I received this nice bit of news from Dallas: > First, some good news. I was at Sound Future (local CD chain) this > weekend, and noticed several copies of _Warpaint_ in the "special > goodies" rack next to the register. I asked the guy who was working > there (who is a Kate fan) if they'd sold many of them. He said, yes, > they're selling like crazy, probably because it's on KERA's playlist. > Then he offered (with no prompting from me), "doesn't she remind you of > Kate Bush?" %) I kid you not. I believe KERA is still reporting Happy to CMJ. Great! Happy mailed me a package today that includes a bunch of stuff including "the complete story of The Issue Is" so I can't wait! Have a good time in Mexico Jessica and Joseph! We'll miss you... My money order is in the mail. Klaus, of course the ectozine will be international...you'll be our European connection. Woj, have you given Klaus Meredith's phone number?????? Tell Klaus about her. They should meet (or at least talk on the phone) while she's still in Munich. Especially since she's coming back in a couple of weeks. Kate fans, Happy fans, Love-Hounds, and all-around nice people...they've got lots in common. We met her in London at the Konvention and she's just so wonderful!! Chinet will be off-line for the weekend. I hope they save the mail so Kiri & I don't miss anything. Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 8-Aug-91 17:24:51-GMT,2659;000000000001 Received: from ccncsu.ColoState.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11366; Thu, 8 Aug 91 13:24:09 EDT Received: from olympic.ATMOS.ColoState.EDU by ccncsu.ColoState.EDU (5.59/Ultrix2.0-B) id AA02925; Thu, 8 Aug 91 11:24:38 MDT Received: by olympic.atmos.coloState.edu (4.1/GENERIC HACK Sendmail.cf 5/24/89) id AA13311; Thu, 8 Aug 91 11:20:52 MDT Date: Thu, 8 Aug 91 11:20:52 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Message-Id: <9108081720.AA13311@olympic.atmos.coloState.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Hi, there Greetings, Thanks for the thanks, Vickie, though I haven't seen my posts on Gaffa yet. I haven't seen any on r.m.gaffa for three days now! It's nice to know they at least got out of Colorado! Since Vickie dragged my name into things (I assume it was me! What a huge ego I have :-)), I thought I'd at least let everyone know I've been listening. It's been fun, (and I don't mind the band talk at all). Heck, I've been surprised and quite pleased that this list has taken off like it has, even if I struggle some days to keep up, as things have been hectic at work and home this summer. Shortly after 'ecto' was launched, I left for a two-week vacation. I found a huge backlog on my return to work, and when I've just about caught up, I am now preparing for a two-and-a-half week vacation. When I get back the students will have returned, making my catching up even tougher! (Tough life, ain't it!? I love the 24 days paid vacation I get with this job!) In case some were wondering about Vickie's reference, in one of my posts to gaffa, I mentioned celebrating KaTemas by listening to all of her albums and described my fresh appreciations of them. I ended by mentioned that I would celebrate Happy-mas (or whatever we decide to call it) by doing the same with Happy's albums. (I added a snide remark about kill files, which Vickie apparently referred to). Anyway, when I finish listening to all five, I post my impressions here. It'll be my second or third time through her albums. Don't hold your breath. At my current pace, that post won't be until after my vacation, early September. (Gee, given the volume of this list, I hope it won't fill up the mail partition of Olympic while I'm on vacation!!) I hope to participate a little more frequently after that, when things calm down. Finally, I will include my heartfelt thanks to Vickie for starting this ball rolling in this first place and Jessica for pushing it along even faster. Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! 8-Aug-91 18:09:04-GMT,1531;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17219; Thu, 8 Aug 91 14:08:32 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14996; Thu, 8 Aug 91 14:08:30 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Aug 91 14:08:30 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9108081808.AA14996@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: good news!! One of our lurkers here on ecto came to visit me today, and he made an incredibly generous donation to the "ecto" fund!!! Thanks Barry!!! Anyway, the donation was plenty to cover getting a box, so, we now have a real address!!! It's: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 yay!! Now, I'm leaving in a few hours for Mexico for a week and a half. So, while i'm away, can you all get together things you'd like to have included in the first issue? Send me all and everything you like, it'll certainly be better to have more than enough than not enough.. Dave (dnb), i've got something pretty reasonable for volume 2, but i haven't had a chance to move it around on the page so that i could print the second side on the back of the first side and have it line up. But that won't take much effort. I haven't completed ecto and rearmament though, so pleas,e feel free to do whatever you like for them.. I must run, before i can go to mexico, i have to take a database class final, finish my project, demo it, meet with my boss about what needs to be done (by him) while i'm away :) funfun! See you all on the 21st! Enjoy! jessica 9-Aug-91 3:53:02-GMT,1180;000000000001 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21402; Thu, 8 Aug 91 23:52:23 EDT Message-Id: <9108090352.AA21402@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5570; Thu, 08 Aug 91 15:40:09 EDT Received: from NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9127; Thu, 08 Aug 91 15:40:08 EDT Received: from NUACVM (JLUECK) by NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2774; Thu, 08 Aug 91 14:38:22 CDT Date: Thu, 08 Aug 91 14:36:39 CDT From: Jeff Lueck Organization: NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY Subject: False Alarm :( To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu X-Acknowledge-To: Sorry all. I got too anxious and should have called WXRT FIRST! I called them and they said they haven't heard of any new Kate albums. Oh well. It would have been a nice surprise... :-( :-( :-( | JEFF "CHIP" LUECK | OFFICE PHONE: (708) 467-1897 | |HUMAN RESOURCES, NORTHWESTERN UNIV.| EMAIL: JLUECK@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU| |720 UNIV. PL, EVANSTON, IL 60208 | | 9-Aug-91 4:04:40-GMT,1482;000000000001 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22665; Fri, 9 Aug 91 00:02:05 EDT Message-Id: <9108090402.AA22665@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5567; Thu, 08 Aug 91 15:28:53 EDT Received: from NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9104; Thu, 08 Aug 91 15:28:53 EDT Received: from NUACVM (JLUECK) by NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2745; Thu, 08 Aug 91 14:27:43 CDT Date: Thu, 08 Aug 91 14:24:00 CDT From: Jeff Lueck Organization: NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY Subject: Kate rumor To: Ecto X-Acknowledge-To: I heard something today and I can't confirm it on .GAFFA 'cuz it's dead: My friend emailed me and said that she heard a song from Kate's new album. It was played on WXRT (in Chicago) because today is "New Releases Thursday". I turned on XRT immediately and haven't heard anything yet. Could this be true? Could she have heard a song she never heard before and assumed it was a new one? I don't think so - she knows Kate's stuff pretty well. Oh when will .GAFFA be back? AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! | JEFF "CHIP" LUECK | OFFICE PHONE: (708) 467-1897 | |HUMAN RESOURCES, NORTHWESTERN UNIV.| EMAIL: JLUECK@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU| |720 UNIV. PL, EVANSTON, IL 60208 | | 9-Aug-91 4:05:36-GMT,1721;000000000011 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23075; Fri, 9 Aug 91 00:04:27 EDT Message-Id: <9108090404.AA23075@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5701; Thu, 08 Aug 91 20:18:11 EDT Received: from NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0606; Thu, 08 Aug 91 20:18:10 EDT Received: from NUACVM (JLUECK) by NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3316; Thu, 08 Aug 91 19:17:00 CDT Date: Thu, 08 Aug 91 19:09:58 CDT From: Jeff Lueck Organization: NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY Subject: Addiction To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu X-Acknowledge-To: Hi. My name is Jeff Lueck and I'm an addict. I didn't want to admit it at first, but now I have to. It all started a couple of months ago when I bought _Warpaint_. The first week or so I'd only play it a couple times a day. Then I started to play it more frequently. Then I got _Ecto_ and _Rearmament_ and I found that I was playing them all the time. It's gotten to the point that I play Happy everywhere. In the car, at work, at home. Hell, I'll borrow tape players just to hear it. I just hope this sharing of tape players doesn't cause that dreaded disease ADS (Audio Deficiency Syndrome). I need my HAPPY! Yes, I'm a Happyholic. I'm just glad this support group was formed. I'm glad I'm not alone. Happyholics Anonymous? :-) | JEFF "CHIP" LUECK | OFFICE PHONE: (708) 467-1897 | |HUMAN RESOURCES, NORTHWESTERN UNIV.| EMAIL: JLUECK@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU| |720 UNIV. PL, EVANSTON, IL 60208 | | 9-Aug-91 5:32:36-GMT,2196;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07863; Fri, 9 Aug 91 01:32:20 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24928; Fri, 9 Aug 91 01:32:14 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 91 01:32:14 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9108090532.AA24928@remus.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: vol.2 finally have gotten around to listening to the three other happy tapes that i hadn't heard yet (vol.2, rearmament, and ecto) and have been concentrating on vol.2 for teh past few nights. initial reactions are that it is a little bit less consistant, but the high points are *brilliant*. so far, i've only gotten as far as a "melody-listening", which is not heavy on lyrics, but rather is just reactions to sounds. the songs that reach out and wrecnh hearts are "under and over the brink" and "beat it out" (which sounds something ike peter hammill, if anyone out there knows who he is). i *love* the up and down rolling on "brink": "what's here in the night, maybe gone by day" sends chills coursing the spine. mmmmmmmhhhhhh... i picked up on the mewing in "noone here" and thought it was a cat outside my window at first. i even mewed back outside to start up a conversation. then i figured out it was the tape and i felt a little shamed... :8) many of the other songs here though seem flat somehow. they don't grab the listener at all. they make you dig to get to them. a different tack for an artist to take. i like it, but i've not yet worked up a sweat to do so... um, a comment on the ad idea that was bandied about. i agree most emphatically with the greg and whomever else it was who suggested that you keep KaTe and jane out of it. that only raises expectations, and as one whose initial expectations were not met when i finally did get to hear happy, i don't think that would be that keen of an idea. one last thing before na-na land...i just finished a group compilation tape (a bunch of people each contribute a coupe songs and then some- one - me in this case - assmebles the tape for everyone else to copy from). had a little space at the end, so i stuck "warpaint" on there. cha cha cha... +w 9-Aug-91 13:40:46-GMT,2096;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25253; Fri, 9 Aug 91 09:40:15 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA03787; Fri, 9 Aug 91 09:21:31 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 9 Aug 91 05:54:26 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA13260; Fri, 9 Aug 91 05:54:24 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 23:56 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 91 23:56 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Bounce bounce weirdness Vickie here. In today's mail I got 3 bounced messages, articles that I'd posted (one about WXPN in Philly and the other to Doug). So I don't know what's going on, but here are portions of the headers. Does this mean that Bob and David didn't get my posts? David, I only got one bounce from you. Did you get at least one of my posts? ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 cec1.wustl.edu.tcp... 550 Host unknown 550 rjk5984@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer)... Host unknown 421 csd4.csd.uwm.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user open with uwm.edu ================================================================ ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 cec1.wustl.edu.tcp... 550 Host unknown 550 rjk5984@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer)... Host unknown 421 csd4.csd.uwm.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user open with uwm.edu ================================================================= ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 qfAA02053: line 5: ... User unknown: No such file or directory ================================================================== Weird huh? Chinet will be off-line over the weekend (to they tell us) so I may not be posting again until next week. We'll see. Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 9-Aug-91 16:51:04-GMT,602;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20089; Fri, 9 Aug 91 12:50:33 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA19674; Fri, 9 Aug 91 11:50:29 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9108091650.AA19674@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Last Night To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 91 11:50:28 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Last night I introduced another person I know to Happy's music. He was amazed at her range, etc.. (the good stuff) so I think I can sucessfully say, we've got another convert :) Jeanne 9-Aug-91 17:38:36-GMT,1486;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28466; Fri, 9 Aug 91 13:37:43 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA04673; Fri, 9 Aug 91 13:37:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 91 13:37:35 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108091737.AA04673@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Last Night i've been playing Happy for whoever will listen, but i may have gotten my toughest convert accidently: i've been working on 'transcribing' _One Alien_ and _Many Nights_ into synthesizer sequences -- which means playing the tape and my sequences over and over again. last night John (my long-suffering non-musical housemate, who was amazingly patient about KaTemas) was wandering around humming the bass part to _OA_! i doubt he'll admit to it, but i think he's hooked... (after KaTemas, i caught him watching some of the KaTe videos -- he said he was going to tape them for a friend... sure, John ;-) ) BTW, anyone who wants MIDI sequences (Performer 3.61 or MIDIfile on Mac disks) for those songs, just let me know... i'm experimenting with posting/emailing MIDI files, and if that works i'll do a bunch of KaTe and Happy songs... the ecto(band) tape is mastered -- but i fear i won't finish the dups in time to get to the post office by noon (at least, not if i sleep as late as i plan to! ;-] ), so they may not arrive until the next week some time... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "if so..." 11-Aug-91 21:50:18-GMT,1047;000000000001 Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13435; Sun, 11 Aug 91 17:49:30 EDT Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa15036; 11 Aug 91 17:48 EDT Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA13102; Sun, 11 Aug 91 17:48:51 EDT Date: Sun, 11 Aug 91 17:48:51 EDT From: "Kirstin A. Hargie" Message-Id: <9108112148.AA13102@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: is it my imagination or is everything going crazzzzzy around here....haven't heard hide nor hair from .gaffa or ecto....whazzz going on!?! :) Ecto-Band: Vickie, Patrick and I had a productive weekend finally getting _OA_ down (pretty well) after a cazillion tries. The final mix from us will have keyboards/violin (me) guitar/recorder (patrick), and the famous Sakamoto box (vickie) Waiting anxiously for the tape :) Rearmament side II reviews are coming...been busy goofing! kIrI "guess we'll just have to jump in Happy's mind..." "geez im scared." :) 12-Aug-91 2:45:27-GMT,3704;000000000011 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09848; Sun, 11 Aug 91 22:44:56 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA09400; Sun, 11 Aug 91 22:42:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 91 22:42:07 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108120242.AA09400@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re:is it my imagination kIRi queries: > haven't heard hide nor hair from .gaffa or ecto....whazzz going > on!?! :) yah, i'm going through serious .gaffa withdrawal. ;-/ any of you mailing list types heard anything recently? ecto's been a bit slow, but with jessica out of town that's not suprising... hopefully people are working on ecto(newsletter) info -- to be honest, i can't think of anything much to contribute myself... Vickie, what's the status of the Homeground interview/article. ditto the Goldmine advert? [from here on, it's all ecto(band) stuff...] well, i haven't mailed the ecto(band) tapes yet -- the Happy bits are done, but i got bogged down a bit with the extra songs. i've decided to keep it simple this time around, just simple chord progresions for people to jam on, but i didn't want to use a cliched folk or rock progression. i've settled on two basic proto-songs, and the synth parts are arranged, so it's still just a matter of making and mailing the tapes. soon as i can, i promise... KirI et all, my _OA_ backing track is pretty simple (and of course will not appear in the final mix), but if you want to record a completely different version (like in a different key, etc.) just toss it on the tape and i'll put it onto the final tape. *if* i can scrape up the (remarkably large) sum of money required, i'll assemble all this with the digidesign ProTools package on the Mac, in which case i can do magical transformations and combine any version -- otherwise, it'll take some luck to get it all to line up. hmmm, i might throw on an extra song -- just because i love it and always wanted to record a version with female lead vocals, some nice harmonies, and some stringed/bowed instrument or another... the song is called _She Floated Away_, from the album "warehouse: songs and stories" by Husker Du. (?!) it's a folk waltz, only punked up a bit by the Huskers -- lyrics: with her grandmother's face and her father's brown eyes her own force of will to her mother's suprise a whole look about her that says that she may she lifted her arms and she floated away she floated away she floated away she lifted her arms and she floated away she don't give a damn what the other girls say she lifted her arms and she floated away "let me talk to you mother" she tried to confess "go ahead honey and wear the white dress don't let traditions go stand in your way" she lifted her arms and she floated away [chorus] well a man has two reasons for the things that he does the first one is pride and the second one is love all understanding must come in this way [but] she lifted her arms and she floated away [chorus] the "but" in the last chorus is my addition, though i think the distinctions between the 'male' reasons and the woman's actions is clear in the sung version... sorry for using the bandwidth, (my goodness, posting another musician's lyrics in this newsgroup!) 8-} but it's a beautiful song, and i think we could do an amazing version of it... whew, econ-family-sized post, this! hey, i do my part to keep y'all's mailboxes filled! 8-] footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 12-Aug-91 6:19:43-GMT,1015;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01658; Mon, 12 Aug 91 02:19:30 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA05423; Mon, 12 Aug 91 01:28:55 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 9 Aug 91 20:57:33 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA27111; Fri, 9 Aug 91 20:57:31 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Fri, 9 Aug 91 20:56 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 91 20:56 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: WXRT Jeff! Maybe your friend actually heard Happy! Could it be? More than one person has heard Happy and, not being familiar with Kate's full discography, thought it was a new Kate song. WXRT playing Happy? Stranger things have happened..... Merry Happyness everybody! Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 12-Aug-91 6:28:31-GMT,3158;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01870; Mon, 12 Aug 91 02:28:26 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA05551; Mon, 12 Aug 91 01:30:59 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Sun, 11 Aug 91 15:56:34 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA18181; Sun, 11 Aug 91 15:56:32 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Sun, 11 Aug 91 08:10 CDT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 91 08:10 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: What have we been missing? Vickie here. Yikes! Gaffa's down. Chinet's weirded out. Nothing's coming in and I don't know if anything's going out. I feel almost as cut off as if we didn't have a phone again. I finally put all my Ecto into order and numbered them and it seems as if I'm missing at least 16 posts from June and July. That's what I gather from comparing Jessica's list that she posted part of. We have no ftp capabilities, so would some kind soul please, oh please could you, send me via e-mail a complete list like the one Jessica posted? This is what she posted as an example of how her files are kept in order: #: Date: Name of Sender: Subject: -- ----- --------------- -------- 1) 10-Jun jessica Happy Rhodes List #1 :) (1963 chars) 2) 11-Jun David N. Blank Happy Rhodes List #1 :) (1211 chars) 3) 11-Jun jessica pre-list Happy Rhodes messag (1213 chars) 4) 13-Jun Kirstin Hargie happy (1705 chars) . . . . . . 256) 31-Jul Charlotte Stern out of hand? (979 chars) 257) 31-Jul Gregory Bossert Re: out of hand? (2579 chars) 258) 31-Jul Steve VanDevend rest of vol2 stuff (1591 chars) 259) 31-Jul jessica Re: lyricists? (961 chars) 260) 31-Jul Jorn Barger Re: lyricists? (752 chars) 261) 31-Jul jessica killable subject line (519 chars) 262) 31-Jul jessica Re: out of hand? (ecto band (1775 chars) #: Date: Name of Sender: Subject: What I need is all of them to date. Then I can check to see which ones I'm missing and request them either from the kind soul who sent them to me in the first place, or wait for Jessica to come back. Having the ones I'm missing for my files is important, but also I'm sending a disk floppy disk to Happy and want the files to be as complete as possible. I thought I'd ask before either sending the disk to H&K incomplete, or just waiting 'till Jessica gets back. I would like to send the disk asap because I've only just recently learned that Happy hasn't read a word of Ecto! I've read her things over the phone, but not everything, and it's not the same anyway. According to Jessica's Subject Line numbers, there were 262 articles as of 31-Jul. According to my Subject Line numbers, I have 246. Arrrgh! I don't know what happened, but some got lost somewhere. Help? Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 12-Aug-91 6:28:42-GMT,3745;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01878; Mon, 12 Aug 91 02:28:36 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA05422; Mon, 12 Aug 91 01:28:55 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 9 Aug 91 20:57:30 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA27108; Fri, 9 Aug 91 20:57:28 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Fri, 9 Aug 91 20:53 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 91 20:53 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Happy addiction Vickie here. Jeff, welcome to the wonderful world of hHappyness :-) ! The past three years I've gone through phases where I'd listen to nothing but Happy and others where I'd go for at least a few weeks without listening to her. Never more than a few weeks though. She stays with me constantly because her music is timeless and powerful. The past few months I've been on a major Happy binge. Ever since Warpaint was released I've hardly listened to anything else, except Kate. I *have* to listen to other things to do my radio shows so it's not as if I'm completely excluding everything else, but nothing else has grabbed me and persuaded me to listen over and over and over again for weeks at a time. When the new Innocence Mission album came out (which I love, by the way) I listened to it exclusively for, oh 2 or 3 days. Same with kirsty MacColl. Same with Sam Phillips and the Banderas. Most recently with Laurie Freelove. These are all albums which I love and respect. Albums I would highly reccommend. Proudly. But...none of them has gotten to me on a level that Happy has. None of them would I listen to every day for weeks at a time. I do with Happy and still am not tired of any of the albums. Remember too, I've been a fan for 3 years! All the albums just keep getting better and better. The strange thing is that I've even "re-discovered" albums I loved but still didn't pay that much attention to. I've always been a major Ecto and Vol. I freak and though I would reccommend the middle two, I seemed to think of them as "second-class". I don't know why. Well, ever since the lyrics were revealed, I've become a major Vol. II and especially, Rearmament, fanatic. It's been like discovering new albums. Rearmament has at times threatened to dislodge Ecto as my favorite Happy album. It won't, mainly because Ecto was the first Happy album I got, I lived with it for months before I got the others. So anyway, it will at least always be a sentimental favorite. Having other people discover something you truly love and enjoy is just such a major upper. Better than drugs! :-) Whenever someone would post something about an album, I'd get it out and listen to it and try to hear it with their ears, as for the first or second time. Jeff Abbott, you did that with your raves about Vol. I, Jeff Burka, you did that with your raves about Rearmament. It kept happening over and over again. I was astonished at how much I'd hear that sounded fresh and just as interesting as the first or second time I actually *did* hear it. I've gained so much from you people. You made me rediscover and relove albums I'd already discovered and loved. Oh, woe is inarticulate me, trying to express deep-felt feelings on-line. Suffice it to say that I think you're all super-swell. Jeff, don't sweat the addiction, it's just too much fun :-) Woj, give it time. Greg, Vol I will hit you and when it does, it will be like Happy had just released a new album especially for you to enjoy. Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 12-Aug-91 6:28:47-GMT,3645;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01883; Mon, 12 Aug 91 02:28:40 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA05550; Mon, 12 Aug 91 01:31:00 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Sun, 11 Aug 91 15:46:54 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA18049; Sun, 11 Aug 91 15:46:52 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Sat, 10 Aug 91 01:30 CDT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 91 01:30 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: We're having fun! Vickie here. Kirstin, Patrick & I have been playing around with Happy songs. They've been practising "One Alien" and "Many Nights" all evening. Kiri brought her synth and hooked it up to my system. I have a reel-to-reel and mixer board and microphone. She tried to sing but didn't think she did very well. She says it's all Jessica's. I haven't been contributing much except for moral support, though I did find a lone maraca and a Ryuichi Sakamoto special box set with shaker thingys in the bottom. So I guess I can be billed for the Sakamoto Shaker Thingys. Here's Kiri: hi...well I tried to sing...and well I guess I did ok..but I will defer to the better singer!!! I guess I could harmonize if absolutely positively necessary??!!?? We are having a blast here on Happy(mas)(kah)(nasa)(ness) -- I even got to Happy herself...she's SOOOO COOL! (whoops that's I got to TALK to Happy) Guess that's it...we are going to have a regular potpourri of instruments here by the time we've figured out everything so GREG beware - the Sakamoto weeenies are coming! Patrick here: Yahaaa! We figured out a total of 2 places where she absolutely MUST use a sequencer (We think, maybe), but we can get by with me playing two notes of the bass line and the obligato & Kiri playing the hard part of the bass. Unfortunately, this leaves me with no free hands to play the recorder.... Listen for us soon!!!! Vickie again. Patrick also plays the soprano recorder and guitar so we'll be getting together again tomorrow to work some more. This is all so much fun! Greg, you're going to have a wild time putting everything together!! :-) Talked to Happy twice today. First I called her today at work and we discussed the zine. Again, she's overwhelmed and pleased that we'd want to take the time and trouble to do it. She gives her full support and blessing. I gave her the PO Box address so she can tell anyone who might be interested. Jessica might come back from Mexico and have a full box already :-) I hope. She and Kevin went to Woodstock for dinner and to look at property. They're really thinking about moving to Woodstock. She told Kiri that she's getting fed up with the conservatism of Albany. I don't know anything about Albany except that Happy is virtually ignored there. Pooh on them! From what I know, Woodstock would seem to be a bit more open to her creativity. Happy told me that Kevin gave her a TRULY WONDERFUL!!! birthday present. A 12-string guitar! because a) she really wanted one b) she really needed one c) because he knew that she's been writing some very interesting guitar parts in songs for HR6! Oh yeah! A radio station in Las Vegas called them today and asked for a copy of Warpaint. Happy couldn't remember the call letters but I'll find out soon here. That's it for now, I think. Back to "One Alien"...... Vickie Kiri Patrick we're@my.house.and.having.fun 12-Aug-91 6:45:58-GMT,4572;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03130; Mon, 12 Aug 91 02:45:40 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA05552; Mon, 12 Aug 91 01:31:00 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Sun, 11 Aug 91 15:56:39 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA18187; Sun, 11 Aug 91 15:56:37 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Sun, 11 Aug 91 09:37 CDT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 91 09:37 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: HappyEc Update post to Love-Hounds Vickie here. Jorn has encouraged me to post an update of what's going on with Happy and Ecto in rec.music.gaffa/Love-Hounds. I won't post it until gaffa is up and running again. In the meantime, this is what I've written up. If anyone has any additions, corrections or comments, please let me know. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Vickie here. I don't want to make anyone mad or start another flame war, but a few people had expressed interest in keeping up with what was going on with Happy Rhodes. This is for those who can't, for some reason, get Ecto, the mailing list. I do hope those not interested will be patient with this post. It won't be long, I promise. Happy news: Nothing truly major. Still no record contract. _Warpaint_ is doing very well in small pockets of the country. She's still getting airplay in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Dallas (KERA is listing her in their CMJ Report) and Philadelphia (the song "Feed The Fire" is now the #1 most requested song on WXPN--nice that it's that song, because it's the one written for Kate, Peter Gabriel and Bach) and a few others here and there are playing cuts sporadically. A few stations are starting to call Aural Gratification now to request _Warpaint_. No distribution deal yet. Everything keeps falling through. She's working on her 6th album, writing songs already. There should be ads in the Oct. Nov. and Dec. issues of _CD Review_ and a review in one of those months. Ecto news: Due to the unfairly (we realized) enormous volume of Happy Rhodes posts in Gaffa, Jessica Dembski created a mailing list dedicated to her. Contrary to some expectations, the mailing list has been successful beyond our wildest dreams. Jessica's creation has yeilded over 300 messages in barely 2 months of operation. They're not all mine either! :-) Topics in Ecto have of course mainly focused on Happy (all aspects of her career and music) but other artists are also discussed (Kate and Jane Siberry for example) and other topics are welcomed. We have direct access to Happy in a way that no other mailing list has of their artist, that I know about. Urgent questions can be answered and news concerning Happy can be posted within hours. We're very proud of that. Peter at Homeground has asked me to write an article about and interview with Happy. I've turned it into a group project and the mailing list will be credited. Ecto is in the process of starting a monthly print fan club/fanzine called Ectozine. Jessica will be the editor-in-chief and has already gotten a Post Office Box. The address is: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 The first few issues will consist of items and ideas from people on the mailing list. After that we hope we will have reached enough people who have no net access that they can start contributing. We will be putting ads in Goldmine and Option to let people know that it exists. The cost is $5.00 a year. Ecto (the band) is now cooking. Tapes are being sent all over the America and people are adding their parts to original songs and Rhodes covers. Greg Bossert is going to have the fun task of mixing everything together and making a coherent whole out of it. Yikes+!!! Instruments include synths, guitar, percussion, sheet metal, bells, Sakamoto Shaker Thingy and who knows what all else by time it ends. The mailing list address is: To be added......ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To contribute....ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Please, unless you absolutely cannot e-mail, direct any inquiries or comments to the mailing list or to me. Jessica is on vacation until the 21st, so you might not be added until she gets back. However, I'd be happy to send you messages until she does. Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 12-Aug-91 14:31:57-GMT,2305;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11453; Mon, 12 Aug 91 10:31:31 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA29327; Mon, 12 Aug 91 10:31:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 10:31:23 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108121431.AA29327@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: We're having fun! Patrick ponders (via Vickie): > We figured out a total of 2 places where she absolutely MUST > use a sequencer (We think, maybe) yah, that's another interview question: do you sequence parts or play them 'live'? i concur, there are many parts that seem to have been sequenced. let me add (in my quite biased opinion, since i used to design music sequencing software myself...) that i think the sequencer is one of the most important advances in musical technology ever (up there with the piano), and that people who feel that using a sequencer is somehow "cheating" have never tried to use one. to be sure, it can take a bit less coordination to enter notes into a sequencer than it does to play them at full tempo, but if anything the process focusses your attention on the music instead of the technicalities of the performance... it can be frustrating building a song on a computer or Fairlight, etc. (and KaTe, Jane, and others have recently been returning to piano) but the thrill of hearing all the pieces you've labored over sync together into a whole is worth the trouble... IMHO. hmm, but i'm sure we'd all rather hear Happy's and Kevin's opinion... ;-} Vickie reports: > Happy told me that Kevin gave her a TRULY WONDERFUL!!! birthday present. > > A 12-string guitar! > > because a) she really wanted one b) she really needed one > c) because he knew that she's been writing some very interesting > guitar parts in songs for HR6! i cannot think of a nobler action than to give such a wonderful musician a new instrument -- particularly one that will enhance her future work. (sheesh, if Kevin ever gets on to the list, i'm gonna start feeling kinda silly 8-} ) footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 12-Aug-91 16:44:59-GMT,620;000000000001 Received: from Chip.CS.UCLA.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29047; Mon, 12 Aug 91 12:44:35 EDT Message-Id: <9108121644.AA29047@aramis.rutgers.edu> Date: 12 Aug 91 09:43:29 U From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Re: is it my imagination To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Reply to: RE>is it my imagination Kirstin-- >The final mix from us will have keyboards/violin (me) >guitar/recorder (patrick), and the famous Sakamoto box >(vickie) Waiting anxiously for the tape :) My co-worker Steve Sakamoto is intensely curious about one thing---What is famous box was named after him? 12-Aug-91 17:04:02-GMT,1297;000000000001 Received: from Chip.CS.UCLA.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01598; Mon, 12 Aug 91 13:03:38 EDT Message-Id: <9108121703.AA01598@aramis.rutgers.edu> Date: 12 Aug 91 10:03:11 U From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Re: Re- We're having fun! To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Reply to: RE>Re: We're having fun! >> We figured out a total of 2 places where she absolutely MUST >> use a sequencer (We think, maybe) >yah, that's another interview question: do you sequence parts or >play them 'live'? I asked Happy about this in my letter to her, and her response (paraphrased, of course) was that she and Kevin split the keyboard stuff about 60/40% and that almost everything was recorded into a sequencer before going on to tape. She would record the parts to the sequencer, and then Kevin would go through and clean things up, or add parts of his own. Here's yet another question for the list-- I'm very impressed with the production quality of the album--it does stand heads and shoulders over the tape qualtiy (though the songs on the first four albums are certainly every bit as impressive, of course, and in some cases I do prefer the simpler sound). Has Happy ever considered re-recording her favorite songs, perhaps with additional orchestration? Tom 12-Aug-91 18:03:02-GMT,1624;000000000001 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10057; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:02:18 EDT Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA21796; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:02:14 -0400 Received: from xstor.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 140122.4234; Mon, 12 Aug 1991 14:01:22 EDT Received: from stdim by xstor.xstor.COM id aa29324; Mon, 12 Aug 91 10:35:27 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by stdim.xstor.com (2.0/Outmail) id Message-ID: <571@stdim.xstor.com>; Mon, 12 Aug 91 10:36:29 PST Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 10:36:29 PST From: Daniel Segel Message-Id: <571@stdim.xstor.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: No Subject Given Well, I was going to say "Hey, me too! I'm on the gaffa mailing list and haven't recieved anything for about a week now!!!", but by now everyone seems to know there's something going on (or not going on, as the case may be) with gaffa, so I won't say anything about that 8). Anyway, if it's not too late, I have one question I would like to ask (have asked of?) Happy: Which of your releases is the best selling, and (more importantly) how many purchasers of the "Warpaint" CD go on to order the tapes later on? Daniel S. ________________________________________________________________________________ Daniel A. Segel | Storage Dimensions, Inc. | "Few things in life daniels@xstor.com | 408/879-0300 | are fatal..." ________________________________________________________________________________ 12-Aug-91 18:38:41-GMT,2664;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14283; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:38:20 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA11841; Mon, 12 Aug 91 13:44:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 13:44:53 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108121744.AA11841@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re- We're having fun! Tom answers with authority: > I asked Happy about [sequencing] in my letter to her, and her response > (paraphrased, of course) was that she and Kevin split the keyboard > stuff about 60/40% and that almost everything was recorded into a > sequencer before going on to tape. She would record the parts to > the sequencer, and then Kevin would go through and clean things up, > or add parts of his own. yip, that is certainly the best way to use the current technology. for those who are interested, the advantages to sequencing before taping are: sequences can be edited more easily than tape -- in fact, most computer sequencers act a lot like musical word-processors. sequences can be played over and over again without damage -- tape is relatively fragile stuff. sequencers store *performances*, not sounds. this means you can switch instruments to test different arrangements. (i made a nifty string quartet arrangement of One Alien the other day...). it is interesting to hear about the way Happy and Kevin work together. collaboration can be a difficult process, particularly when the initial creative concepts are coming from one person -- it can be hard to let go and allow other people to mess with your ideas... but i am convinced that such collaboration is essential to producing good recordings, for two reasons: it is difficult, even impractical, to produce a professional recording oneself. the collaborative process itself generates ideas that the individuals involved may never have come up with independently. no suprises there, really, though it is rare to see it work so well as it has for Happy's music. (note the grumblings from love-hounds about Del Palmer's work on _The Sensual World_...) as Tom says, _Warpaint_ is a very well recorded/produced album -- easily comparable to CDs produced by major labels on budgets many orders of magnitude larger... a question for ecto list members: now that _Warpaint_ has been out for a while, and no doubt listened to repeatedly, what do people think of it? personally, my initial doubts (that the songs were not quite as good, basically) have entirely disappeared with time, and i just love listening to the album on headphones and picking up all the little details... 12-Aug-91 18:58:32-GMT,1653;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17000; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:58:16 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA12195; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:58:08 EDT Message-Id: <9108121858.AA12195@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Re- We're having fun! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Aug 91 13:44:53 -0400 ." <9108121744.AA11841@bunny.gte.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:58:08 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu >a question for ecto list members: now that _Warpaint_ has been >out for a while, and no doubt listened to repeatedly, what do >people think of it? I've been listening to _Warpaint_ since April 1st, and it still hasn't latched on to me in quite the same way as the first four albums. That's not to say it doesn't have some great songs, or that I don't play it much. That's also not to say that this won't occur sometime...there was a long period when I simply didn't appreciate _The Sensual World_ nearly as much as I do now; I had a couple of favorite songs, and those would keep switching around (first it was TWW, then Deeper Understanding, then L&A, then The Fog, then TSW, then Rocket's Tail, then Never Be Mine (get the picture? ;-)) Now I listen to TSW more than TKI or LH. This may still happen with _Warpaint_ but I'm not sure. (hmm, come to think of it, I hated Tracy Chapman's _Crossroads_ at first; now I listen to it easily 10x more often than her eponymous album). Jeff (who listened to _Rearmament_ and HoL this morning, but has opted for Bruce Hornsby's _scenes from the southside_ this afternoon) 12-Aug-91 18:59:42-GMT,2192;000000000001 Received: from ccncsu.ColoState.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17154; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:59:29 EDT Received: from olympic.ATMOS.ColoState.EDU by ccncsu.ColoState.EDU (5.59/Ultrix2.0-B) id AA24440; Mon, 12 Aug 91 13:00:05 MDT Received: by olympic.atmos.coloState.edu (4.1/GENERIC HACK Sendmail.cf 5/24/89) id AA00801; Mon, 12 Aug 91 12:56:09 MDT Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 12:56:09 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Message-Id: <9108121856.AA00801@olympic.atmos.coloState.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Who is E Mortal Greetings, The question must be asked. Inquiring minds want to know. Just who is this E. Mortal that Happy wants to be. Happy's lyrics give no clues!! Is it Ernest J. Mortal, that Depression Era tiddly-wink tycoon, who built that strange tower in Los Angeles to look like a stack of tiddly-winks only to be forced to sell it to Capitol Records when the tiddly-wink fad crashed and who eventually died in tiddly-wink-less poverty? Or is it Edward F. Mortal, that famous high-flying stock broker who amassed a fortune in the Reagan Eighties, only to lose it all in the Great Crash of 1987, eventually dying tragically by drowning in a tub of water while being the target of a "Dunk a Yuppie" booth at the Podunk (Iowa) County Fair? Or is the song title actually "Ode to Bea E. Mortal", who married Edward F., only to divorce him, sickened by the excess of high society, and joined the Security and Exchange Commission as a lawyer to track down the trash who unleashed the savings and loan scandal? Or is it the E. Mortal that Elvis occasionally uses as a pseudonym, while he secretly edits the _World Weekly News_? Or ... :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) Sorry! Just suffering from a Happy high and Gaffa withdrawal. (Has Alaska seceded from the universe or something? Sigh!! I guess I'll just have to subscribe to the alt.sex.bondage.particle.physics newsgroup just created this morning. (It was! Really!!)) Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! 12-Aug-91 19:51:41-GMT,2197;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22729; Mon, 12 Aug 91 15:51:20 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA21659; Mon, 12 Aug 91 15:51:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 15:51:10 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108121951.AA21659@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Who is E Mortal Doug is tragically wrong: > The question must be asked. [...] Just who is this E. Mortal that Happy > wants to be. [...] Is it Ernest J. Mortal [...] or is it Edward F. Mortal > [...] Or is the song title actually "Ode to Bea E. Mortal" well, Doug, don't feel bad; many people make this mistake. actually, if you rearrange the letters in E. Mortal, they spell "More Tal". few people realize that Happy is actually shorter than KaTe (who is, as we all know, actually only 4"1')(another little known fact -- KaTe *has* been touring almost yearly, but due to the extreme height of the K.T.Bush Band (Del himself is over 7 feet tall), KaTe herself has been overlooked, and the band mistakenly reviewed as Sven Olson and his Punk Polka review...) -- so, this haunting song is Happy's lament to her inability to reach the top shelf, pull down the dictionary, and look up how to spell the word "tall"... > Sorry! Just suffering from a Happy high and Gaffa withdrawal. tell me about it. out of desperation, i just read over 500 posts to rec.music.misc. *sheesh*, you know you're desperate when the weekly austrian alternative dance charts look interesting (of course, compared to most of the dreck in r.m.m., the weekly austrian alternative dance charts *are* interesting... Vickie, i dunno, the Bush/ Benatar thread looked pretty feeble to me...) i gather there were two digests of material that didn't make it to .gaffa, and then nada. what gives??!! > I guess I'll just have to subscribe to the > alt.sex.bondage.particle.physics newsgroup just created this morning. > (It was! Really!!)) hey, i know somebody who posted there (or said he did; gte doesn't get the alt.sex.* hierarchy...) so what is it, er, how does, er, never mind, i don't want to know... oh foat. -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- *sigh* 12-Aug-91 20:11:50-GMT,941;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25517; Mon, 12 Aug 91 16:11:04 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA00395; Mon, 12 Aug 91 15:10:54 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA19822; Mon, 12 Aug 91 13:27:28 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA02226; Mon, 12 Aug 91 13:27:28 CDT Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 13:27:28 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108121827.AA02226@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: recording session Hey, next time you guys get together for a recording session, give me a holler... I have some songs you might want to hear and I could also help with the happy songs (and it would be fun to see what you are doing (and hear, of course)). Thanks. -mjm 13-Aug-91 20:25:19-GMT,2736;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27691; Tue, 13 Aug 91 16:24:33 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA03465; Tue, 13 Aug 91 14:22:01 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Mon, 12 Aug 91 23:48:13 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA13490; Mon, 12 Aug 91 23:48:11 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Mon, 12 Aug 91 22:49 CDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 23:45 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: re: re: re: lots of things Someone queasked about the Sakamoto thingy...better ask Vickie.. It's some sort of box set with shaker beads in the bottom, it makes a beautiful noise that is used in the landing portion of Ecto-band's OA (or it will be - optimistic here). Mike: send me your phone number privy and ill give ya a call when patrick, vickie and i get together to do the music thing. Sometime this week....if Greg has sent out the tapes yet :) Someone asks for impressions or thoughts about _Warpaint_. Well I've had mine for about as long as Jeff B. and I feel very much the same way. It is the album I listen to the least. I would say that it is my least favorite except for the fact that I love it :). I could never live without such wonderful songs as _lay me down_, _wrong century_, and _phobos_. I think the primary reason I listen to it the least is the lack of the rawness of the earlier albums, and of course the lack of guitars, but these are minor things. I agree that each listen brings something new. It is really amazing that I can listen to Happy's songs (kates and janes too) and never tire of them. I have listened to OA about a thousand times (seriously), and im still not tired of it. The music is really timeless....they could be popular in any year. _Warpaint_ is no exception. It's hard to put a finger on the exact reason why it's the least listened to of any of the other H albums. It is brilliant just like the others, but it's more of a phase album for me. I have to be in a particular mood to listen to it, and when that happens it's _Warpaint_ for a couple weeks constantly. nothing to do with Happy.....im still reveling in Janes _The Walking_...it's truly wonderful, and wickedly weird!! nothing to do with Jane......does anyone have all of the friday the 13th (the series) episodes on vhs - im looking for some episodes that i am missing??? KiRi hargie@chinet.chi.il.us hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu "You know there is something wrong when Ron Reagan has his own t.v. show." 13-Aug-91 21:11:57-GMT,1565;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04273; Tue, 13 Aug 91 17:11:02 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04051; Tue, 13 Aug 91 17:10:57 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 91 17:10:57 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9108132110.AA04051@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: warpaint this album and vol.1 were my first exposure to happy, courtesy of vickie. my initial reaction after listened to both at least two times was that warpaint's higher production values was more appealing to me. vol.1 seemed sparse, empty, unintriguing in comparison to the (also sparse, but much fuller) arrangements on warpaint. then, a few weeks later, the balance had shifted. vol.1 was the preferred tape. warpaint suffered, but not severely so. the sparseness of vol.1 became an asset. nowadays, warpaint and vol.1 are balanced out. the two are dras- tically different and each fits at times that the other would not. however, i will add that about half of the songs on warpaint seem pretty flat. especially the first three or four on side two. i usually don't even notice that i'm listening to it until "words weren't made for cowards" bips its way into the speakers. kiri: of course the walking is wonderful. a friend of mine who loves it as much as i often describes listening to it like looking over someone's shoulder as she writes in her diary. still holding out on ecto and rearmament. will get to them eventually... woj 13-Aug-91 21:40:54-GMT,1531;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08218; Tue, 13 Aug 91 17:40:29 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA21074; Tue, 13 Aug 91 17:40:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 91 17:40:23 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108132140.AA21074@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: no, no, she's a table my friend Dan, who will join us here in ecto any day now, and who came out to help at KaTemas, has a couple of great Jane tee-shirts (i didn't actually rip the "everything reminds me of my dog" shirt from his back and keep it -- but maybe i should have done...) so, anyway, i *had* to go back and listen to _tW_ and _BbtB_. over and over again. for two days straight. let's see, how do i put this? KaTe makes me feel the world is wider and wilder; Happy makes me feel i'm not alone in it; and Jane makes me feel that the couch (the big comfy one in the living room) has been painting landscapes in its free time, and may soon get that big break and move to new york. hmm, well, it made sense to me. kirI already said (so i don't have to): > I have listened to OA about a thousand times (seriously), and > im still not tired of it. yip. woj: > still holding out on ecto and rearmament. will get to them eventually... i'm not sure i can express how much i like _ecto_. oh, maybe i just did. i've been listening to _rearmament_ a lot recently -- i keep forgetting songs off of it and being re-suprised... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com 13-Aug-91 22:27:20-GMT,5242;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15110; Tue, 13 Aug 91 18:26:55 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA03467; Tue, 13 Aug 91 14:22:01 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 13 Aug 91 00:57:19 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA14115; Tue, 13 Aug 91 00:57:18 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.67) id ; Tue, 13 Aug 91 00:54 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 91 00:54 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: big chunks 'o mail! Vickie here. We just got home from a Twin Peaks Fan Club meeting and I get on line and find 25 mail messages waiting! I guess everything had just been held over the weekend while Chinet was being worked on. I guess I'm all caught up now. I wonder what's happened to .gaffa? Gregory sent me the list of subject lines. Thanks Greg! I'll be busy with my radio shows the next few days so I probably won't post anything, but near the end of the week I'll get caught up. I have a bunch of things to post. Happy sent me a package today! There are all kinds of cool things in there. Reviews of I & II & Rearmament, little tidbits from Albany papers, the whole story of "The Issue Is" which is quite amazing, sorry I have to make you wait for it, but the radio shows come first. She also sent her Desert Island Discs and the mailing list. Plus a breakdown of how many cassettes and CDs she's sold to date. The absolute, most coolest, most truly wonderful thing of all was a photo of herself!!! It's.......oh my GOD.....it's wonderfulfantasticterrificbeautiful! It's a color photo of her sitting sideways on a bench in front of her synths. It's from 1987 so the equipment is old. I called her to thank her and she said that her equipment is musch updated now and there's more of it, especially since she and Kevin have combined their equipment. Basically, I said, this is the Ecto Happy? Yes. Ecto Happy, Ecto equipment. This is the photo we need for the ectozine! Anyway, she's got her legs pulled up onto the bench, her arms crossed and resting on her knees. She's looking into the camera and SMILING!! You absolutely would not _*believe*_ what a difference a smile makes. Jessica was right, Happy looks *nothing* like the Warpaint shot. The smile simply lights up her face and she looks truly beautiful. I'm going to have it made into a a) poster, b) T-shirt c)whatever else I can think of. The next time Chris is in Kansas City on business, he's going to scan it and YES, it will become a gif. Don't know when, but never fear, it will happen. I'm so knocked out by this photo, I can't even tell you. I asked Happy and Kevin to make up a list of their equipment, and they both said they would. Happy said thanks for all the birthday wishes and gifts! She personally liked the term "Merry Happyness", but maybe she was just humoring me :-) H&K can't wait to hear the finished Ectoband tape. They are very enthusiastic and think it sounds like a lot of fun. Chris just got back from Kansas City. He's been gone for 2 weeks (he left the day after the Katemas party) and he brought back the Goldmine with the article about Kate in it. I haven;t yet sat down to figure out the price for an ad, that will happen. Happy doesn't mind at all that we're doing it. She said it was a good idea, beacause Warpaints are selling in various parts of the country and those people have no idea that there's an electronic mailing list going on. She thought we might very well get a few responses. Maybe. Personally, it would be great if we do, but it's also a tool to get her name "out there" and that's good enough for me. Chris brought me a great birthday present! A double-record cassette deck! Our cassette deck is on its last legs and the pitch tends to waver. I kind of shudder when I think of the Happy tapes I made Jon Drukman and other people. I know they must have sounded weird, I even warned Jon not to judge the quality of sound, that it wads my cassette deck, not Happy's tapes. Chris worked 2 days labor at an audio-video store he used to work at full-time when we lived there. Instead of getting paid cash, he picked out this cassette deck for me. He's so so sweet! Now I can make decent-sounding compilation tapes, plus I can use it for my show. It can be hooked up to my mixer board and I can fade from one cassette to another, since they both record AND play. How cool! I've always had to finish a Happy song , stop the tape, then put in another cassette and start recording again. This is going to make a major difference to me and the radio show, mainly where it concerns Happy! Gee, I'll have to do another few Happy specials just so I can use my new deck feature. Any old excuse....:-) Oh boy, I'm getting tired, better go bed. As usual, I just got on to say hi and ended up typing a whole bunch. I'll be back with you in a few days. I wish I could get a grant or something so I sould quit my job and work on radio shows all the time. Wishful thinking :-) See ya... Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 14-Aug-91 8:02:49-GMT,791;000000000001 Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22308; Wed, 14 Aug 91 04:02:17 EDT Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa18338; 14 Aug 91 2:04 EDT Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA23184; Wed, 14 Aug 91 02:04:18 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 02:04:18 EDT From: kIrI Message-Id: <9108140604.AA23184@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: rearmament woj - just wait til you get rearmament...it takes a while to get into but once you're hooked that's it might as well pack up the bagas and head to antartica (shiasasa vi is going scrazy on me!) I love rear...it is the coolest ablbum...i listen to it constantly...yippie ya hoo evenough waxing KiRi 14-Aug-91 10:35:57-GMT,1716;000000000011 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02886; Wed, 14 Aug 91 06:35:21 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA29362; Wed, 14 Aug 91 10:31:59 GMT From: Klaus Kluge Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:33:17 +0200 Message-Id: <9108141033.AA29607@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Warpaint lyrics available? Hi Ectos, I just popped in to read some mail before I am going to munich again when I remembered something I forgot to ask. Is there somebody who has the lyrics of _Warpaint_ in computer readable form? I have noticed that they are not in the archive. I would like to have them because I am planning to extend my music database to lyric files. Also I have taken the lyrics of the first four releases Vickie posted way back in .gaffa and put a header in front of every song (something like: Date: (album title) From: Happy Rhodes Subject: (song title) ) so that I can use a comfy mail reader to browse through them. I will start to type them in myself if nobody has them available, but would like to save the time and effort in case somebody already did it. Please let me know. Thanks, Klaus Kluge - kkluge@Materna.DE _______________________________________________________________ In the desert, in a distance, Is a man who prays. ) Real He is finished with the image. He has changed his face. ( Rainbirds Bows his head down to the ground. He is waiting unconcerned. ) (91) Lifts his head up to the sky. And so he will remain. (______________ 14-Aug-91 16:53:48-GMT,1658;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14998; Wed, 14 Aug 91 12:53:15 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA19514; Wed, 14 Aug 91 09:52:56 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA00385; Wed, 14 Aug 91 09:50:54 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 09:50:54 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9108141650.AA00385@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9108140604.AA23184@clutx.clarkson.edu> Subject: rearmament kIrI writes: > > woj - just wait til you get rearmament...it takes a while to > get into but once you're hooked that's it might as well pack > up the bags and head to antartica Takes a while to get into? When I got _Rearmament_ and _Ecto_ in the mail (with a really cool autographed "Warpaint" postcard) I popped _Rearmament_ in the tape player and I was hooked. With the one-two punch of "The Perfect Irony" and "For We Believe" as the first songs, Happy just about could have recorded disco and country music on the rest of the album and I still would have loved it. Fortunately, she recorded great stuff like "Friend You'll Be", "Crystal Orbs", "Because I Learn", and "Ally Ally Oxenfree" instead. I tried _Ecto_ but couldn't get into it quite as much, so I ended up listening to _Rearmament_ over and over again for a week or so. I now appreciate more of _Ecto_ but its best songs don't grab me as well as the best songs on _Rearmament_. Does anyone have any thoughts on "Crystal Orbs"? Great song, but I can't figure out quite what's going on in it. 14-Aug-91 18:12:00-GMT,1335;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25283; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:10:58 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA12115; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:10:51 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA21362; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:26:50 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA05051; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:26:49 CDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:26:49 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108141626.AA05051@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: TO KIRSTEN Cc: stern@chem.nwu.edu I have no idea if this will ever get to you through email, so: >From stern Wed Aug 14 11:10 CDT 1991 Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for stern) id AA04653; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:10:27 CDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:10:27 CDT From: stern (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108141610.AA04653@chem.nwu.edu> To: @uunet.uu.net:hargie@chinet.chi.il.us, hargie@clutx.clarkson.edu Subject: My phone number Cc: stern@chem.nwu.edu Status: RO Mike here. My phone numbers are: at work (best chance of reaching me in the flesh) 708-459-8000 at play (best chance of reaching my answering machine) 708-332-1821 -mjm (hope you get this...) 14-Aug-91 18:12:02-GMT,1415;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25286; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:11:00 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA12120; Wed, 14 Aug 91 13:10:56 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA21346; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:14:58 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA04733; Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:14:57 CDT Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 11:14:57 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108141614.AA04733@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: hearing happy in a store Cc: stern@chem.nwu.edu I wandered into the Record Exchange (??) on Dempster in Evanston (chicago area) while I was waiting for my clothes to dry yesterday... the dude there was at the kate party last year, but I forget his name. Anyways, he was playing warpaint on the store's system... pretty cool! First time I've ever heard that. So I said hi and all. The neat thing was, though, that for the 5-10 min.'s I was in there, there seemed to be a constant flurry at the counter with people either asking about or buying warpaint! He might have even said that they were going like hotcakes. I wonder if this is happening across the world, or only in Evanston (man, what a hip place to live!). -mjm (mike mendelson) 14-Aug-91 18:34:35-GMT,2692;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27720; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:34:23 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA06620; Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:34:19 EDT Message-Id: <9108141834.AA06620@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: rearmament In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Aug 91 09:50:54 PDT ." <9108141650.AA00385@greylady.uoregon.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 14:34:18 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu Steve VanDevender sez: >I nowow appreciate more of _Ecto_ but its >best songs don't grab me as well as the best songs on >_Rearmament_. You must not have heard "Would That I Could," "Project 499," "Ode," or "To Be E. Mortal" just to name some of the better songs. I had a weird getting-into-_Ecto_ experience when I first got all the tapes. I'm not sure how many of y'all did this, but I ordered all 4 tapes at one time; I knew what Happy sounded like, had a sampling of all the albums, and decided to go for broke since I had the money. This make for a great big 'which do I listen to NOW" kind of confusion for a while. I listened to _Ecto_ a lot at first; I loved "Would That I Could" and already loved the B-side (I had every song but one on my compilation (for those curious, "I Cannot Go On")). I think I was already looking toward the other albums, though, and _Ecto_ fell by the wayside fairly quickly. I didn't get *truly* back into (as in, "This is currently my favorite HR album) for several months. Now I absolutely love it, and it may even rank slightly above _Volume II_. >Does anyone have any thoughts on "Crystal Orbs"? Great song, but >Ican't figure out quite what's going on in it. I'm not exactly positive of what's going on in it either, but when I hear it I get this wonderful image of Happy sitting out on her porch on a beautiful late-summer evening, watching the stars and being carried away. It's much the same painful beauty of "No One Here" where she's watching a glorious sunrise all alone. But in "Crystal Orbs" there *is* someone there; the question is: is it "Kevin" or, like so many of her songs, another aspect of the narrator's own mind? Whatever the answer, it's an awe-inspiring song that gives me chills; it was possibly my first "favorite," almost a year ago! I shudder to think about how many times I've heard it, and I'm amazed that it still produces the same reactions, sometimes even stronger! "I'm here and will be Adressing you, only. Now answer me." Jeff (who barely managed to abort his "send" after he realized that he'd forgotten to change the header so this would be sent to the mailing list. ;-) 14-Aug-91 20:41:54-GMT,1512;000000000011 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12553; Wed, 14 Aug 91 16:41:32 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA08055; Wed, 14 Aug 91 16:41:27 EDT Message-Id: <9108142041.AA08055@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: another one? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 91 16:41:26 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu I'd been telling a close net.friend about Happy for a long time, and he finally bought _Volume II_ a month or two ago. We ended up having a rather heavy arguement because he didn't care for it and thanks to the vagaries of net.communication, we were getting mixed signals about what he didn't like about the album, why I was a bit upset because the way he phrased his dislikes seemed like a put-down to me, etc., etc. All in all, it lead to some rather emotionally charged e-mail. Anyway. Today, said friend commented: >I have been listening to the album a bit these days and am liking it >more and more. I'm not sure why I reacted the way I did, but I suspect >I *wanted* to dislike it for some sub-conscious reason. Perhaps it was >a little oversold, but that's not your fault, you're just enthusiastic. I'm pleased that he's been listening to (and enjoying) the album; obviously what he wrote carries strong echoes of what happened in r.m.g. Now I can't help but wonder if Drukman, Richard Caldwell, etc., will ever change *their* minds. ;-) "Because music's the way, the only way I know..." Jeff