30-Jul-91 4:05:54-GMT,1407;000000000011 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18764; Tue, 30 Jul 91 00:05:32 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA11856; Tue, 30 Jul 91 00:05:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 00:05:25 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107300405.AA11856@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: oops... Kirstin says: > Hey i play violin, viola, keyboards, bass guitar, and guitar ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > if we can't play for Happy (hahaha wishful thinking) we could > always start up a band... woj and i were just agreeing that real strings are tres cool in pop [sic] music... my current dream band would be me on guitar, female lead vocals, violin/viola/cello, fretless bass, electronic percussion, and synths. lots of BVs, hopefully. if we can't call ourselves Ecto, how about "Happy Rhodes Volume1"? ;-} durn this living-somewhere-else-thing. if someone figures out how to jam over the net, let me know! the speakerphone transmission of drukman's San Jose performance just didn't work... (everyone at the boston KaTemas party huddled around the phone, which made whispery rhythmic noises -- figure it *was* hi-fi...) uh oh, kids, i'm getting pretty obscure -- and i gotta go to work tomorrow. g'night! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- if love is a game, can i call a timeout and peak at the rules book?! 30-Jul-91 6:21:41-GMT,971;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08059; Tue, 30 Jul 91 02:21:27 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21216; Tue, 30 Jul 91 02:21:26 EDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 02:21:26 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9107300621.AA21216@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: they came!! all five of them, in one nice big package. ooooo...but i think i got about ten tapes in today's mail and with a backlog of about ten more to wade through, i'll be lucky if i get to them by the weekend...sigh...maybe it's time to bring a tape deck to work so i can be distracted by music as well as the net... :) anyways...the ht rhodes band? will we have to start capitalizing the h and the p? do we have to say "she almost is!"? should i go to sleep now? a resounding yes! thoughts and noodlings on the tapes as i get to them... woj 30-Jul-91 11:17:22-GMT,5606;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01784; Tue, 30 Jul 91 07:16:47 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA15776; Tue, 30 Jul 91 06:13:08 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 30 Jul 91 03:25:59 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA10274; Tue, 30 Jul 91 03:25:57 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Tue, 30 Jul 91 03:15 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 03:15 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Stuff & such Vickie here. Lots of bits & pieces... Jessica, it was GREAT to hear your voice! Greg, I'm glad I got to talk to you again. Thanks so much for calling. We called Happy to wish her Merry Katemas. She had really wanted to go to a Katemas party. Some of you might remember Derek L. from Albany posting awhile back that it would be great to have a Katemas party and invite Happy. To him it was wishful thinking but Happy loved the idea! She would definitely have gone. Unfortunately I think Derek's off the net for the summer because no one's heard from him since school let out. Won't he be disappointed when he finds out that he missed a great opportunity! Anyway, we called Happy but she wasn't home, so we passed the phone around and all said hi to Happy & Kevin on the answering machine. I talked to Happy tonight and she said that she loved it!!! She was sorry she missed the call, but she dubbed our messages (when we passed the phone around we all said our names) onto another tape to keep. Kevin said jokingly that it might appear on an album someday :-) Jessica, Kevin said that he's been trying to get through via his account that you gave him, but keeps getting the message "Telnet currently under repair" or something like that. Any idea when things might be working? Happy said that she hasn't yet gotten any print-outs of Ecto yet, and I thought that, if you hadn't had a chance to print posts out, I could just send her a disc of what's appeared so far. They have an Amiga too so there would be no problem with compatibility, and they have access to a printer for whenever they need hardcopy. Let me know. Can you e-mail me your phone number? KQPT in Sacremento called H&K and requested a copy of Warpaint! That's a wonderful change from them having to send out CDs and then call and bug the stations to play it. Kevin will be faxing me an updated list of radio stations soon. Happy might be painting the cover of Mike Weaver's next book. Mike called his agent and requested it. Happy has already been in contact with Mike's publisher (Avon) and sent them some slides (that's why she was taking photos of her paintings) but isn't sure if anything will come of it. We'll see. Angel Weaver sent a compilation tape to another science-fiction writer named Charles De Lindt (sp?) and he fell head-over-heels in love and, who knows? Maybe she could do a cover for him too. That's my own wishful thinking, Happy hasn't heard from him yet, though Angel said to be expecting his letter. Mitch, I asked Happy about Happy Hotpoint, Mary Tyler Moore and Happy Rockefeller and one out of three ain't bad! Her middle name is from Mary Tyler Moore, but she was named Happy because, before she was born, her brother Mark (then 3 years old) couldn't pronounce the girl-name originally chosen (Kimberly) and just kept saying "happy baby" instead. He was looking forward to the birth but not the name :-) So when she was born, her parents just named her Happy. Peter Fitzgerald-Morris of Homeground (Jeanne, that's a Kate Bush fanzine from England) and his wife Krys and their partner David Cross absolutely love Happy (Peter called me the other day and said "we've been playing her all the time") and want me to interview her for the next (after this one coming within weeks) issue! I'm going to need help! Anybody willing to help write an article/interview that will be read by thousands of people all over the world???? It should be ready by Sept. at the latest because they hope to have the next issue out by October. I'm not a writer (just a gusher and a rambler :-) and I'd like this to be really good. The *very* first song Happy ever recorded was called "Prey of the Strange" and Happy assures me that it will never see the light of day :-( but she said she found the original version of "Under and Over the Brink" that she had forgotten about and it very well might appear on one of the CDs of the 1st4 as a bonus track. I can't wait. Happy said that it's very different from the album version and has voices soaring all over the place. Cool! The second song she recorded was "The Chase" and it was so long because she was just fascinated with the recording process and kept going on and on. Pat Tessitore just let her go and got it all on tape. The third song she ever recorded was "To The Funnyfarm". Jeff, your second intrepretation of "Baby Don't Go" was right on. It's a struggle within. "Baby" is herself. Happy is going to sit down and write out the explanation of "The Issue Is" and "Dreams Are".....she promised :-) Jessica at the Boston Katemas party: > And we played some of Happy's music for people in the basement, and > just about everyone who hadn't heard it before responded with "what's > the address? I need to order all of it.." Ohhh, I'm so curious. Who seemed interested and what did you play? Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 30-Jul-91 14:48:10-GMT,2526;000000000011 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18496; Tue, 30 Jul 91 10:47:42 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA26208; Tue, 30 Jul 91 10:47:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 10:47:36 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107301447.AA26208@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Stuff & such Happy KaTemas, everyone! Vickie says: > [Happy] had really wanted to go to a Katemas party. argh! i would have driven to albany and picked Happy and Kevin up, if i had known (or dared)! i mean, we had people from new jersey (hi woj, hi jessica!) and ottowa -- albany is practically next door! > KQPT in Sacremento called H&K and requested a copy of Warpaint! yah! > Happy might be painting the cover of Mike Weaver's next book. > [...] > Angel Weaver sent a compilation tape to another science-fiction > writer named Charles De Lindt (sp?) and he fell head-over-heels in love double yah! ya know, i think i've read a book by Mike Weaver, but i've run out of shelf space and it's hard to find some of my books... > Peter Fitzgerald-Morris[,] Krys[,] and David Cross absolutely love Happy > [...] and want me to interview her for the next issue! triple yah! Vickie, i'd be delighted to assist in preparing an article (old english major habits die hard 8-} ), but it might be easier to find someone closer to chi-town. if no simpler solution presents itself, though, let me know... >> And we played some of Happy's music for people in the basement, and >> just about everyone who hadn't heard it before responded with "what's >> the address? I need to order all of it.." > >Ohhh, I'm so curious. Who seemed interested and what did you play? we played my Happy propaganda tape (made to persuade Dan Riley and other love-hounds that they should forget about the .gaffa debate and just buy the tapes already!) -- i forget the exact track list, but it includes: Would That I Could Ecto I am a Legend The Perfect Irony The Wretches Gone Awry Phobos Wrong Century etc... (there's at least two songs from each tape, but i'm still kinda flooby-brained from the weekend's excitement -- did you here about the car-key adventure? well, maybe later...) "who" was just about everyone at the party, including |>oug. except for woj, jessica, and i, most people had not heard Happy, and just about everyone asked "how do i get these?" before the second song was finished... gotta go work. *sheesh* footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com 30-Jul-91 15:48:59-GMT,724;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24123; Tue, 30 Jul 91 11:48:26 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac34.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA03701; Tue, 30 Jul 91 10:48:16 CDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 10:48:14 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9107301548.AA03701@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Happy article for Homeground Just a thought: could we compose and submit it as a group? That would be different, and futuristic! =============================================================== "...a lifetime of pure listening enjoyment." =============================================================== 30-Jul-91 16:22:39-GMT,1056;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27804; Tue, 30 Jul 91 12:22:25 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA15957; Tue, 30 Jul 91 11:22:18 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9107301622.AA15957@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Happy's brand of Wrigley's Chewing Gum To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 11:22:17 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] "..a lifetime of pure listening enjoyment." Too Much Too Wrigley. :) But it says a lot about Chicago :) ---- Vickie, which radio station do you work for and what band wave? ---- I was just thinking of your HT band and I've got a single line for you. It has not passed any further than this single line, but maybe...just maybe... "She sings, I dance, you play and we cried." She in reference to Happy, I, well, I, you play (many of you mentioned you did one various instrument or another, and I/maybe others cry when they hear beautiful music. I/dance is in response so how I view writing.) Jeanne 30-Jul-91 16:34:23-GMT,1442;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29203; Tue, 30 Jul 91 12:34:12 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA01328; Tue, 30 Jul 91 12:34:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 12:34:06 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107301634.AA01328@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Happy article for Homeground Jorn makes a breakthrough in workgroup techniques: > Just a thought: could we compose and submit it as a group? That would be > different, and futuristic! yah. for example: 1) we all submit questions 2) Vickie (as editor-in-chief) selects the best 3) V. interviews Happy 4) V. posts raw interview 5) we all vote on editing decisions (i.e. which Q/As to keep...) 6) some volunteer drafts an intro/bio 7) we all check facts and offer critiques 8) another volunteer types the final draft, taking care to ensure a cohesive style (important in group writing projects...) 9) off it goes to Homeground, from Vickie and Ecto, with a blurb on how to access the mailing list (and .gaffa and love-hounds...) 10) we win a pulitzer prize and finance the CD reissue of the tapes! except for the last step, this is the process i use for helping produce journal articles here at gte -- i usually do steps 5 and 8, 'cuz the scientists sometimes have trouble with these organization and grammer thingies... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com 30-Jul-91 16:45:37-GMT,733;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01075; Tue, 30 Jul 91 12:45:10 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac34.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA04592; Tue, 30 Jul 91 11:44:57 CDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 11:44:56 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9107301644.AA04592@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Happy article for Homeground i assume that greg is serious, though it's hard to be sure with him... i think it sounds do-able, anyway? =============================================================== "...a lifetime of pure listening enjoyment." =============================================================== 30-Jul-91 17:05:35-GMT,861;000000000011 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04275; Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:05:18 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA03064; Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:05:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:05:09 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107301705.AA03064@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Happy article for Homeground Jorn says: > i assume that greg is serious, though it's hard to be sure with him... i > think it sounds do-able, anyway? hey, *moi* not serious?! well, ok, not serious, but devastatingly sincere! it is surely do-able -- but i think the decision is Vickie's... i'd certainly like to give it a try! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- well, it's 1:06, and i still haven't made it through _The Kick Inside_... P.S. *i* was serious about the H.T.Rhodes Band, too! 30-Jul-91 17:35:54-GMT,1008;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08960; Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:35:21 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28026; Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:35:14 EDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:35:13 EDT From: jessica To: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Re: oops... In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:04 CDT Message-Id: Hey, i actually think "ecto" is a fantastic name for a band. fantastic enough that i *would* want to name a band ecto. :) greg wants to have a "radio zero" though :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 30-Jul-91 17:52:50-GMT,966;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11469; Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:52:13 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac34.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA05358; Tue, 30 Jul 91 12:51:54 CDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 12:51:54 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9107301751.AA05358@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Happy article for Homeground Vickie likes Greg's plan, fine! Let's get going! My question for the interview: Happy, your melodies and harmonies so often seem to have come straight down from heaven. Do you hear music in your head all the time? How do you keep from losing your best ideas, if you don't read music? Have you gotten any of your melodies from dreams? =============================================================== "...a lifetime of pure listening enjoyment." =============================================================== 30-Jul-91 17:54:57-GMT,3714;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11756; Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:54:22 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28244; Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:54:14 EDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:54:12 EDT From: jessica To: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Stuff & such In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 30 Jul 91 03:15 CDT Message-Id: vickie says: "Ohhh, I'm so curious. Who seemed interested and what did you play?" hmm, greg should say exactly what it was that was played. goodness, i can't remember who all was listening!! I have a pretty bad memory for names.. i am sure there was Mark Semich (who's already also been added to ecto, HI Mark :) and Dave Torok, who, speaking of which, would probably like being added. I'll do that now. Hi Dave! ) but there were lots of other people down there. The tape was a compilation that greg had made of his favorite songs. I tihnk the first song was "would that i could", the second was "ecto", hmm, my memory is terrible, the last three songs were Phobos, Wrong Century, and Lay Me Down. In the middle.. hmm, i'm pretty sure "wretches gone awry", oh i dunno. greg, will you type in the list of what was played? Hmm, i thnk i'll post the list of who we are. Anyone who notices anything wrong about their name, or you in alaska with no name, let me know who you are ;) (if you want), let me know! There's 39 of us now. steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner) jessica@athos.rutgers.edu (jessica) dembski@remus.rutgers.edu (Joseph Dembski) jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu (Jeff Burka) dnb@meshugge.media.mit.edu (David N. Blank) art@cs.sfu.ca (art) U15289@uicvm.bitnet (Mitch Pravatiner) Jeff.Abbott@hub.dsg.ti.com (Jeff Abbott) awphili@cs.vu.nl (Albert Philipsen) lcliffor@cc7.bbn.com (Laura Clifford) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie) hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) stern@chem.nwu.edu (mike mendelson) tara@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu (Tara Madhyastha) tj@cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) danielse@stdim.xstor.com (Daniel Segel) kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) rjk5984@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) kkluge@Materna.DE (Klaus Kluge) dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) cole0001@dukemc.mc.duke.edu (Robert Cole) jlueck@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Lueck) py64725@cc.tut.fi (Perttu Yli-Krekola) dave@mars.njit.edu (Dave Michaels) sofmac@athos.rutgers.edu (Sofus Macskassy) cmfb@lotus.cray.com (Chris Bone) relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph) gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) shark@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jeanne B Schreiter) wong1@rpi.edu (Barry Wong) sean@s.ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) woj@remus.rutgers.edu (Rob Woiccak) jsjea2@alaska.bitnet beez@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Bartlett) mas@bucsf.bu.edu (Mark A. Semich) dtorok@nynexst.com (Dave Torok) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 30-Jul-91 18:00:11-GMT,1004;000000000001 Received: from meshugge.media.mit.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12539; Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:59:47 EDT Received: by meshugge.media.mit.edu (4.1/DA1.0.2) id AA00779; Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:00:43 EDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:00:43 EDT From: David N. Blank Message-Id: <9107301800.AA00779@meshugge.media.mit.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Jorn Barger's message of Tue, 30 Jul 91 12:51:54 CDT <9107301751.AA05358@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> Subject: Happy article for Homeground Here's my questions. SOme have been answered before here and in L-H, but having it in the article would be a big win: 1) Influences? 2) Favorite artists (dare I say DID's?) 3) Any desire to work with a full band? Interesting instrumentation? 4) Plans to tour? 5) When did Kevin first notice his talent for heavy breathing? 6) Any duets forseen in the near future? 7) What were your SAT scores? (an L-H in-joke, sorry) Peace, dNb 30-Jul-91 18:07:03-GMT,1019;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13594; Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:06:34 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28652; Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:06:26 EDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:06:24 EDT From: jessica To: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Happy article for Homeground In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 30 Jul 91 13:05:09 -0400 Message-Id: I like greg's idea too!! I don't suppose there's anything wrong with using Q/A's we've already had gone by, eh? I'll go through ecto and create a file of these... jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 30-Jul-91 18:14:16-GMT,1597;000000000001 Received: from nynex-ms.nynexst.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14831; Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:13:53 EDT Received: from mailer.nynexst.com ([128.209.1.79]) by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26238; Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:13:13 EDT Received: from texas.nynexst.com (texas-gw) by mailer.nynexst.com (3.2/SMI-DDN) id AA22555; Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:12:20 EDT Received: from budapest.nynexst.com by texas.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12856; Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:13:09 EDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 14:13:09 EDT From: dtorok@nynexst.com Message-Id: <9107301813.AA12856@texas.nynexst.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Hello 'n all... At first I was going "Huh? Where's this mail coming from" and then I got Jessica's note. Oh, I get it: a Happy mailing list. Thanks, Jessica! I heard Happy for the first time at the Boston KaTemas. Thanks to Greg B. for a great party (and great pizza). Tomorrow morning my order goes out for Rhodes Vol. 1, Ecto, and Warpaint. Anyone have any support / criticism for these choices to start with? When my budget comes back in order I'll complete my collection. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many tapes / CDs Happy has sold? Has she seen a surge since her music first got mentioned in rec.music.gaffa? And could someone email me the list of the albums with years of release? Many thanks, and pleased to be part of this group.... -=$>Dave<$=- torok@nynexst.com (p.s. Jessica - change my email to "torok@nynexst.com" instead of "dtorok...". Although they both work, torok is real login whereas dtorok may dissappear at any moment Thanks!) 30-Jul-91 21:20:34-GMT,1206;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10548; Tue, 30 Jul 91 17:19:59 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29421; Tue, 30 Jul 91 17:19:57 EDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 17:19:57 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9107302119.AA29421@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Stuff & such Vickie sez: >Jessica, Kevin said that he's been trying to get through via his >account that you gave him, but keeps getting the message "Telnet >currently under repair" or something like that. Any idea when things >might be working? from what i have been told about rpi is that the old passthru account that people could use to get to the internet was disabled. however, i did not think that the dialup was disabled as well. but at least it sounds temporary. tell 'em to be patient... >Angel Weaver sent a compilation tape to another science-fiction >writer named Charles De Lindt (sp?) and he fell head-over-heels in love charles de lint. and he writes *great* mythic modern fantasy. um, does that make any sense? greg? ;) woj (yet another happy-less posting...) 31-Jul-91 3:37:14-GMT,7412;000000000001 Received: from rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20542; Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:36:52 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04673; Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:14:12 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 30 Jul 91 21:27:02 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA24802; Tue, 30 Jul 91 21:27:00 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Tue, 30 Jul 91 16:22 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 16:22 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: rest of vol2 stuff Here are the rest of "what I think Vol. 2 is about" reactions. Having the lyrics next to me in solid form while trying to listen is soooo much easier :) NOONE HERE: WARNING - I cannot review this song objectively because I positively adore it. It starts with a simple guitar melody and low 'Happy' voice then transfers to guitar background with keyboards and higher "Happy" voice in the chorus. Seems to be the story of a lonely person locked inside an empty shell with a heavy heart and a heavy mind. Deep inside the body is whole, but outside the added stimuli normally persent are missing. You can see the reality of conciousness 'rising' in the distance, but you are trapped inside. In this case she's lost the comfort of something concrete - a cat -. Im sure cat lovers know what it's like not having a fuzzy to cuddle. However, there seems to be hope in the end, maybe the sun has cleared the horizon, and taken a big enough bite out of the thunder clouds to let a meowing friend inside. A cat is featured in this tune. Happy will not disclose the name of this cat as it "worked on this album without permission," so the mystery will remain --- except how many people think it's Happy that meows?? TO THE FUNNYFARM: Simple guitar melody with medium - high voices. I assume this song is autobiographical in a sense if not completely. It's a serious, despairing, and extremely interesting look into the psyche of someone who thinks they are going insane. The frightening thing is they know it. Reality has almost completely been pushed aside, and the brain now survives in a natural/elemental, physical reality only. They can touch, feel, see, laugh, but reality is a delusion, and those in the 'real' world can never understand what's on the other side. A 'normal' person cannot see the beauty or gain amusement from the childlike things because they are trapped in their brains - are too firmly entrenched in 'thinking.' This song makes you wonder if being a little out of the ordinary isn't just a little more fun! Anyone else find themselves on the way with Happy and her bro's?? ASYLUM MASTER: Mostly guitars with some keyboards - a prime candidate for some serious orchestration --- deep "happy" voices. Totally confused on the meaning of this one. Seems like she is talking about a ghost of someone she loves. Lines like "cold yard of broken stones" (a cemetary ?), "you're not mine to touch" (cause your dead and gone), and of course "be you dead or alive." The line mentioning the father loving the mother is completely confusing. Any ideas anyone?? Aside from not understanding it, it is a great song. It gives me the chills, and always reminds me of Anne Rice's book "The Witching Hour" (yes shameless plug), and the immortal evil spirit Lasher who constantly plagues a family throughout the families existence. BEAT IT OUT: Spooky keyboards introduce vocals - the music is almost disturbing - extremely low vocals - wild! The question is what is she beating out. I have several ideas...is she exorcising her soul, coming out of the shell that protects? Is she beating out anger, sadness, depression, insanity, frustration?? I would say your guess is as good as mine! One other idea related more to the lyrics. Maybe it is kind of a daily exorcism of the horrors of reality...when the sun sets you kind of beat all the frustrations of the day out, and relax...hmmmmm THE CHASE: Guitar intro to vocals...great song. I guess The Chase could mean a lot of different things to different people. There is the atypical "chase" or boy goes after girl phenomenon. But the lyrics are ambiguous, and her tone in the song is not easily decipherable. It is more mournful than whimsical which of course somewhat dispells the boy/girl thing. I would like to know who "HE" is. It's like she is running from something she both loves and hates. She realizes it is catching her, but there is nothing she can do. In the end she asks us if we would like to come along...but she's losing. Hmmm cryptic! Are the 'Drears' after her? WHERE DO I GO?: Skipping keyboards - medium vocals make up this fantastic song. Starts off with a plea to take back something she did that had hurt some man she loved. She stepped on a strand that was possibly a tie of trust and doesn't know how to fix it. She's asking for the strength back, the strength of the child who was immature, and maybe didn't realize the consequences of something she thought was innocent play. Now that she has realized the mistake she doesn't want to hurt those "precious few" any more. However, she's scared that she will be taken away (die) before she has the chance to make amends, and to retie the trust that was severed. She asks her lord that if she cannot live without mistrust then she prefers to die. It is a morbid but fascinating song. NOT FOR ME: Keyboards - spooky, dark, mystical, astrological...what a bizarre song! It's the kind of song you could listen to over and over and never know exactly what she is saying. I can't figure if it's just a mismosh of emotions/feelings or if it is truly a concrete study of what she wants in "the man of my dreams." Maybe she's saying that nothing is ever simple when dealing with love. Maybe she is saying that she will never have the man in her dreams <--- somewhat silly. OR Maybe she's saying that it is silly to dwell on dreaming about something that only exists in the 'perfect world' of your dreams. Again I would have to say that each person could really have their own interpretation of this song. ONE ALIEN: One of my all time favorite Happy driving songs. Kinda in moderate swing - a fusion of guitars and keyboards. It's a real bounce around the room in a total spaced out condition song - simply WONDERFUL! Contains one of my favorite keyboard progressions - ewww ahhh! It's a fun song that is also quite serious. I think she's maybe saying that she's an alien to everyone else - alien in the sense of being outside the norm, and whomever is a true alien she shares the same fate with them. Someday maybe all those 'aliens' will be free, and as prominant as the regular boring earthlings. That's all for now....coming soon to a person in ecto nearest you....Rearmament..... oh Vickie...do you think you could send me the lyrics as 4 different files....I accidently lumped all the lyrics (revised) together and my dumb thing won't print it out I have the nonrevised lyrics printed out...but there are major mistakes...thanks! Kiri hargie@chinet.chi.il.us ----------------------------- "And I've been quite an alien too." --Happy -------------------------------------------- 31-Jul-91 6:30:39-GMT,1352;000000000001 Received: from rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13311; Wed, 31 Jul 91 02:30:00 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA14155; Wed, 31 Jul 91 02:16:48 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:49:14 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA26574; Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:49:13 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Tue, 30 Jul 91 22:16 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 22:16 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: wow our numbers go It's good to see we have 39 people here now...I think we should be able to come up with some pretty wild questions...Ill have to think of something really wild. Jessica says Greg wants the name of the band to be 'radio zero' hmmmmm what does that mean?? I still have to go with Ecto though...:) What do you think...if someone writes a bit of music and sends it to everyone....then each person records on their specific instrument...find someone with a mixer and make a brilliant/bizarre piece of weirdness...think it might work?? It definitely would be a first in the music world!! in EcTo kIrI hargie@chinet.chi.il.us 31-Jul-91 7:05:58-GMT,619;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17045; Wed, 31 Jul 91 03:05:51 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18151; Wed, 31 Jul 91 03:05:49 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 03:05:49 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107310705.AA18151@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: radio zero nono, greg wants his own band to be called radio zero. but ifwe formed *this* band, it would have to be ecto :) I could handle the idea - we could make a "demo tape" and send it to happy. it would at the very least be fun!! jessica 31-Jul-91 7:06:32-GMT,507;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17118; Wed, 31 Jul 91 03:06:24 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18155; Wed, 31 Jul 91 03:06:23 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 03:06:23 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107310706.AA18155@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: ps ps, greg has a four track mixer, and I do too. he probably knows how to use his, and i don't, but i coudl figure it out :) jessica 31-Jul-91 8:33:38-GMT,2995;000000000001 Received: from rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23534; Wed, 31 Jul 91 04:33:19 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA14156; Wed, 31 Jul 91 02:16:43 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:49:28 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA26599; Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:49:27 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:40 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:40 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Lets do it! I do love the idea of the interview being a group effort. We will all get credit and the mailing list will get publicity. Yeah! Happy's all ready for it and likes the idea too. Questions that have been asked before are fine, because we have to have an article/interview that will make sense to people who've never heard the music (that would include 98% of Homeground's readers) as well as interest people who are familiar with it. Peter didn't specify how long it should be, or contents, but it doesn't matter. He can edit it anyway he wants, and the entire thing would be posted in Ecto, and be available to anyone who wants it in the future. Hi Mark Semich! He was the other person I played Happy for in England, outside the restaurant, besides Gregory. Any more thoughts on starting a alt. newsgroup? Jeanne, my show is called "Suspended In Gaffa" (it's a long story) and it airs Saturday nights 10:00pm-11:00pm on KKFI (90.1) in Kansas City, MO and Wednesday nights 7:00pm-8:00pm on WZRD (88.3-I think, my brain's fried) in Chicago. It's not a sexist or feminist-oriented show, but I do focus on female vocals (playing the occasional duet here and there) just to balance out the scales of male-dominated airplay. Not that I don't like male voices! But my show is geared to people (like myself) who don't mind listening to an hour of nothing but female vocals. I focus on alternative music, but run the gamut of musical styles and eras. I used to post my playlists but got flamed for taking up the space (I'm always getting in trouble for being long-winded :-) when most people couldn't hear the show anyw anyway. I've been doing the show in Kansas City for over 3 years and the Chicago show for 1 year. I have a home studio (mixer board, reel-to-reel, microphone, & audio equipment) and tape the shows. I mail the KC show every week. Starting in the fall, thanks to Kiri (THANKS KIRI!!) I'll be played on her station in Potsdam, NY (I'm continually forgetting the call letters, I'd better learn them!) so that's cool. I don't get paid for the show, it's what I do for fun. Well, I better go tape my Chicago show before I get too tired. I always wait until the last minute, because I'm used to doing the show at night Later... Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 31-Jul-91 13:47:41-GMT,910;000000000001 Received: from meshugge.media.mit.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20751; Wed, 31 Jul 91 09:47:21 EDT Received: by meshugge.media.mit.edu (4.1/DA1.0.2) id AA02601; Wed, 31 Jul 91 09:48:08 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 09:48:08 EDT From: David N. Blank Message-Id: <9107311348.AA02601@meshugge.media.mit.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Chris Williams's message of Tue, 30 Jul 91 23:40 CDT Subject: Lets do it! > Questions that have been asked before are fine, because we have to > have an article/interview that will make sense to people who've never > heard the music (that would include 98% of Homeground's readers) as > well as interest people who are familiar with it. Given that, it is crucial that Homeground include A.G's address and international ordering instructions. Peace, dNb 31-Jul-91 14:40:06-GMT,948;000000000011 Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26162; Wed, 31 Jul 91 10:39:46 EDT Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@cs.rutgers.edu) id AA09253; Wed, 31 Jul 91 09:40:03 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:jessica@cs.rutgers.edu) id AA00926; Wed, 31 Jul 91 09:40:02 CDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 09:40:02 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107311440.AA00926@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu, jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: radio zero Hey there. RE: the Ecto Band Idea... I'd love to jump in and help with the composing side of things... I have written some songs already which I perform (if you wish to call it that ) on piano but it would be great to collaborate with a *whole band*! [P.S. I'm more into the music writing than the lyrics... any great lyricists out there?!] -mjm 31-Jul-91 14:56:07-GMT,1990;000000000011 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27950; Wed, 31 Jul 91 10:55:33 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA12594; Wed, 31 Jul 91 10:55:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 10:55:24 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107311455.AA12594@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-play-some Kiri hmmmmms: > Jessica says Greg wants the name of the band to be 'radio zero' and jessica clarifies: > nono, greg wants his own band to be called radio zero. > but if we formed *this* band, it would have to be ecto :) hey, no 'if's. this band *is* Ecto. Kiri brainstorms: > What do you think...if someone writes a bit of > music and sends it to everyone....then each person records on > their specific instrument...find someone with a mixer and make > a brilliant/bizarre piece of weirdness...think it might work?? > It definitely would be a first in the music world!! and jessica points out: > ps, greg has a four track mixer, and I do too. > he probably knows how to use his, and i don't, but > i coudl figure it out :) well, i've got a four-track tape deck, and a sixteen track mixer, and better yet, i've got access to 8-track and digital editing equipment... so, i could probably assemble the music here without much problem. well, it wouldn't be *easy*, but it would definitely be fun! i suppose the first step is to find out who wants to contribute. so far it's: woj -- drums jessica -- vocals kiri -- lots o' stuff but violoid for sure me -- guitar so who else?? i think we should write new songs -- but we could start with a Happy cover 8-} (if Happy doesn't object. we certainly won't be selling this! ;-) ) hmmm, i dunno which song i'd pick... gotta think on it... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 31-Jul-91 15:09:12-GMT,621;000000000001 Received: from meshugge.media.mit.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29659; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:08:51 EDT Received: by meshugge.media.mit.edu (4.1/DA1.0.2) id AA02787; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:09:44 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:09:44 EDT From: David N. Blank Message-Id: <9107311509.AA02787@meshugge.media.mit.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Gregory Bossert's message of Wed, 31 Jul 91 10:55:24 -0400 <9107311455.AA12594@bunny.gte.com> Subject: ecto-play-some I'm a percussionist, albeit amateur and a bit rusty, but glad to help out. Peace, dNb 31-Jul-91 15:24:24-GMT,937;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01599; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:24:07 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25922; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:23:44 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:23:39 EDT From: jessica To: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: radio zero In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 31 Jul 91 09:40:02 CDT Message-Id: Well, I dunno what she'd think of the idea, but everything Jeaane write is *really* beautiful..... jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 15:37:57-GMT,1377;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03109; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:37:27 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26245; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:37:11 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:37:07 EDT From: jessica To: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ecto-play-some In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 31 Jul 91 10:55:24 -0400 Message-Id: HHmmmm, i should clarify (i think?). From what greg said, then i think i have a four track tape deck, and if i have a mixer, i'm not sure. (it's all in the lab, you see? :) The video editing equiptment is fantastic, but i'll have to ask about what sort os sound editing there is (they don't *do* a whole lot with sound.. so i'm not sure anyone is even going to know any better than i) But anyway, i shoudl say i can also offer keybaord parts - i'm not a great pianist or anything, but i do have a synthesizer, and i can play a little.. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 15:39:05-GMT,793;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03298; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:38:45 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26271; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:38:37 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:38:35 EDT From: jessica To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: lyricists? Message-Id: And i shoudl also say, kiri writes fantastic stuff too! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 16:18:16-GMT,897;000000000001 Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07968; Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:17:24 EDT Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@cs.rutgers.edu) id AA09315; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:17:40 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:jessica@cs.rutgers.edu) id AA02618; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:17:39 CDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:17:39 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107311617.AA02618@chem.nwu.edu> To: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: radio zero Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Yes, I'm already working on one of Jeanne's creations.... maybe, Jeanne, you could send me/write some others... also, how are you at writing words to music.... I usually find it easier to create the music with some rough theme (or maybe a chorus) in mind, and then fill in the words later. -mjm 31-Jul-91 16:21:28-GMT,1166;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08325; Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:20:58 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28310; Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:20:44 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:20:37 EDT From: jessica To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Hmmmmm Message-Id: We've just lost a person from the list, and while i don't know why, it occurred to me that some people may not be so interested in hearing us making plans for making music. Perhaps we could take that elsewhere? Would people who are intersted in continuing that discussion (and/or being involved in the project) please send me mail? I can make up a mailing list seperate for us. (suggestions for waht to call it? ecto is taken! :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 16:43:26-GMT,1162;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10723; Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:42:53 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28872; Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:42:44 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:42:42 EDT From: jessica To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: just to be sure Message-Id: Well, the person who left wrote back saying it wasn't at all because of the discussion, just that he'll be off the net for quite a while.. he said the ecto list has been great and he'll [robably come back when he gets net access again. In any case, i do still tihnk it's a good idea to move the discussion. Oh news for people who are interested, especially david blank, the lyrics things are coming along pretty well!! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 16:47:19-GMT,1121;000000000001 Received: from Chip.CS.UCLA.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11178; Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:46:48 EDT Message-Id: <9107311646.AA11178@aramis.rutgers.edu> Date: 31 Jul 91 09:49:48 U From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Re: ecto-play-some To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Reply to: RE>ecto-play-some It does sound like fun-- >i suppose the first step is to find out who wants to contribute. >so far it's: > woj -- drums > jessica -- vocals > kiri -- lots o' stuff but violoid for sure > me -- guitar I can throw in some keyboards or bass guitar. Or if I get a chance to get in some practice time, maybe a little bit of Chapman Stick. A couple of questions for Happy to be added to the list: If/when you do decide to tour and give us a chance to see you, will you do it with a full backup band, or would you concentrate on guitar and vocals? Any chance you'll make it out here to the west coast? Have you considered covering some of Kate's stuff? How do you feel about the constant comparison or your voice and hers? I'm sure I'll think of more questions as time goes by..... Tom 31-Jul-91 17:36:23-GMT,1318;000000000011 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17031; Wed, 31 Jul 91 13:36:01 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA18486; Wed, 31 Jul 91 13:35:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 13:35:51 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107311735.AA18486@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: lyricists? > Well, I dunno what she'd think of the idea, but everything Jeaane write is > *really* beautiful..... yip! > And i shoudl also say, kiri writes fantastic stuff too! yap! and mjm is already at work on a song! we is in business! i'd be happy to write some music (though if i *was* Happy, it would come out much better ;-} ), particularly to someone else's words. i do hope that this discussion is not bothering people -- but we've only got 30-odd people here, so let's have a vote about taking this thread out of ecto... while we *are* still in ecto, what do people think about a doing a Happy cover? what Happy songs would you like to hear, and in what wild styles? what Happy songs should we not touch or else?! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 31-Jul-91 18:11:28-GMT,979;000000000011 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21212; Wed, 31 Jul 91 14:10:46 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA02205; Wed, 31 Jul 91 13:10:35 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA09321; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:20:02 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA02677; Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:20:00 CDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:20:00 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107311620.AA02677@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: out of hand? Well, I am also very into harmony and harmonizing (ask any of my friends (who are alternately amazed and annoyed by it)). I would love to add some BVs or harmonies to the mix. Is this getting out of hand? Will it be possible to do this without ever meeting? I'm just a little skeptical. -mjm 31-Jul-91 19:19:09-GMT,2579;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00440; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:18:32 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA22903; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:18:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:18:26 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107311918.AA22903@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: out of hand? mike ponders: > Is this getting out of hand? Will it be possible to do this > without ever meeting? I'm just a little skeptical. i reply (desperately trying to reign my natural enthusiasm in): well, i think we could easily produce a tape. i doubt we could produce a professional quality release -- it would simply cost too much to use pro equipment. however, the basic idea is used all the time in recording: produce some base tracks, then send copies of the tape to far-off musicians who dub their own parts over the backing. our approach would be: write the songs -- chords, melody, words, and maybe a few key musical parts... we can swap ideas (at least for lyrics and simple musical stuff) via email. someone with a studio (me, for example) would prepare a 'demo' with simple keyboards, bass, drums. each musician would recieve a copy of the demo, and work out their part (this is where we get a lot of creative input; each person adds to the whole arrangement...) *tricky bit* each person records their part solo onto a tape. those of us with multi-track decks can play back the backing tracks while recording on the other channels. those with just a cassette deck can listen to the backing track on headphones while recording onto another tapedeck. (adding a count-off at the start would facilitate assembly of the tracks...) someone with a studio would gather all the solo tapes, and lay them down in sync on a multitrack, add effects, and produce a stereo mix. potential problems: it may be hard for some people to listen to the backing tracks while recording their own part -- but it just takes practice... the arrangements could get pretty wild, since we won't here each others parts until the whole is assembled... the syncing process is difficult, and the result may be noisy and a bit 'loose', timing-wise... if we have a lot of parts/musicians for one song, the assembly process gets more difficult... nonetheless, i think it's worth a try. at the worst, we are out a cassette tape or two each. at the best, we become world famous and can invite Happy and KaTe to perform on our next album ;-) footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com 31-Jul-91 19:23:14-GMT,1591;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01004; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:22:42 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA25170; Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:22:36 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA01763; Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:20:40 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:20:40 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9107311920.AA01763@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: rest of vol2 stuff I think "Not for Me" is talking about being aware of the arbitrariness and emptiness of social norms and conventions, or the simplicity of sanity and normality, and rejecting them while still desiring the stability and ignorance that "normal" people have. "No, not for me / brutal simplicity / sane insincerity" opens the song, and "Keep your life / keep your normal wife / live your tiny plant life // No, not for me / I tear instinctively / and wish for idiocy" closes it. I can't quite make a confident interpretation of what "Where is the man of my dreams" fits in, but I think it does tie in with the rest of the theme pretty well--to me it says "Where is the man of my dreams, that I could marry and sink into a normal, conventional, unthinking life with?" This is also one of my favorite Happy songs. "The Chase" has another of Happy's common themes, trying to avoid insanity but not being quite able to. What's chasing her is the part of her mind she wants to avoid, and she's losing. 31-Jul-91 19:31:04-GMT,961;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02023; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:30:27 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15863; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:30:13 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:28:00 EDT From: jessica To: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: lyricists? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 31 Jul 91 13:35:51 -0400 Message-Id: yup yup yup, let's have a vote. If noone minds, then you can all be "in" on this, otherwise it's no trouble to separate.. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 19:42:34-GMT,752;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03698; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:42:28 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac34.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA17364; Wed, 31 Jul 91 14:42:14 CDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 14:42:13 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9107311942.AA17364@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: jessica@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: lyricists? count me out, interest-wise. i don't imagine it will carry on long enough to need a new list, so maybe just use a killable subject line? =============================================================== "...a lifetime of pure listening enjoyment." =============================================================== 31-Jul-91 19:45:54-GMT,519;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04099; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:45:19 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16379; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:45:16 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:45:16 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107311945.AA16379@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: killable subject line that's a good idea. if it's just for the "group" let's include something in the subject, perhaps "ecto band only"?? jessica 31-Jul-91 19:47:19-GMT,1775;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04388; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:47:06 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16422; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:46:58 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:46:55 EDT From: jessica To: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: out of hand? (ecto band only) In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:20:00 CDT Message-Id: I think it can actually work! we could do it this way - everyone who has an idea for a track that is consistently rythmic, put it down on tape. Send a copy of the tape to each person who's interested, and they can each think of ideas/work on tracks to lay over them. Then we each send our tapes with our new tracks to whoever has the equipment (probably greg 'cause i'd have to learn all this stuff from scratch with noone to help(and no manuals), though i do want to learn so maybe i could arrange a weekend trip up to boston to work on it with him?) and then he'd(we'd) mix each possible combination together, and copy the new peices onto the tapes and send them out again. Then people would do the same with that. If they had an idea of something to add to one of them, they'd do so, and send it out. we'd probably quickly be able to determine things we really liked and start concentrating on those... jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 19:47:19-GMT,1775;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04388; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:47:06 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16422; Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:46:58 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 15:46:55 EDT From: jessica To: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: out of hand? (ecto band only) In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 31 Jul 91 11:20:00 CDT Message-Id: I think it can actually work! we could do it this way - everyone who has an idea for a track that is consistently rythmic, put it down on tape. Send a copy of the tape to each person who's interested, and they can each think of ideas/work on tracks to lay over them. Then we each send our tapes with our new tracks to whoever has the equipment (probably greg 'cause i'd have to learn all this stuff from scratch with noone to help(and no manuals), though i do want to learn so maybe i could arrange a weekend trip up to boston to work on it with him?) and then he'd(we'd) mix each possible combination together, and copy the new peices onto the tapes and send them out again. Then people would do the same with that. If they had an idea of something to add to one of them, they'd do so, and send it out. we'd probably quickly be able to determine things we really liked and start concentrating on those... jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 20:05:13-GMT,887;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07086; Wed, 31 Jul 91 16:04:58 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16897; Wed, 31 Jul 91 16:04:54 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 16:04:48 EDT From: jessica To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: (ecto band only) Message-Id: i do have a tendency to reply to mail before reading all of it :) greg's ideas seem pretty similar to mine.. how's it sound ot the rest of you? jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 31-Jul-91 21:11:59-GMT,1896;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15562; Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:11:27 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07461; Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:11:24 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:11:24 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9107312111.AA07461@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: assorted first, even though klaus is not around to hear this, there are a few other happy listeners in munich - i sent a friend of mine there a copy of vol.1 and warpaint (meredith for those of you who know her - greg, vickie, mark) and she liked it and has been spreading it around to friends over there. in fact, two particular people really adore it: the first apparantly had some sort of religious experience after listening to warpaint while stoned (she called happy the holy spirit) and the other, who is not a KaTefan at all, considers happy's stuff to be better than KaTe's. second, i don't have any drums available to me to play for a ecto compilation tape and i must also confess: i have never been trained in the things! but, i can fake it well... ;) or maybe i'll do some bizarre percussive stuff. yeah, i'll get some sheet metal and bang on that. or maybe see if i can master the fabled pvc pipe didjeridu! (whoa...stop it woj...). third, a homeground article sounds like a good idea. my only plea is that it is kept factual and informative. i don't think we need any frothing like that which happened on love-hounds (else you'll get the i-don't-want-to-be-preached-at folk pissed and the this-is-a-KaTe- forum folk annoyed). also, it would be a shame if you got some people's expectations up and then, like me, they were surprised to hear something completely different from what they expected when the happy tapes finally arrive. moderation to excess...woj 31-Jul-91 21:20:56-GMT,1034;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16838; Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:20:39 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08252; Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:20:35 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:20:35 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9107312120.AA08252@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: "not for me" the "where is the man of my dreams" lyric fits in well with steve's interpretation actually: a woman who would lead a "normal life" would be pining for the man of her dreams. this lyric then is just another expression of that normal life that happy is saying is not for her. also: i say leave the music discussion here. no one's complained, so who cares? also^2: as i confessed already about my lack of percussive training, i will add that i've got some studio experience and would be more than willing to help out on that end. and of course, banging on my sheet metal - can't for get that! :) woj 31-Jul-91 22:13:29-GMT,845;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24202; Wed, 31 Jul 91 18:13:07 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac34.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA19691; Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:12:51 CDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:12:50 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9107312212.AA19691@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: band talk i told jessica by email that the band-talk didn't interest me. (i've suffered a few dismal collaborative failures, and the whole idea makes me nervous.) but if folks just mark the band-talk as such, i don't have a problem with hitting 'd'. =============================================================== "...a lifetime of pure listening enjoyment." =============================================================== 31-Jul-91 22:26:26-GMT,740;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25590; Wed, 31 Jul 91 18:26:17 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18959; Wed, 31 Jul 91 18:26:15 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 18:26:15 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107312226.AA18959@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: yikes!!! well, i was just printing out ecto (all the posts to the list) to send to happy and kevin, but WOW it's HUGE!!!! It's 206 pages. I can print double sided, that's 103. I can print two pages/side and still have it legible, so that's 52. That's still a lot!! Vickie, i think you better send them a disk!! Or we better just get them online already!! jessica 31-Jul-91 23:47:08-GMT,779;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04767; Wed, 31 Jul 91 19:46:51 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA06794; Wed, 31 Jul 91 18:46:47 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9107312346.AA06794@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Lyrics and Fumes To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 18:46:46 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Kiri: I'd love to see some of your work. I'll even send a SASE for it. Jessica: Your sending me some Kate, send me some off the beaten track music. MJM and everyone else: Most of the time, I write to music. I find myself setting up the cd to music without words and making my own. Works both ways, really. :) Thanks for all the comments. Jeanne 1-Aug-91 1:34:14-GMT,1842;000000000001 Received: from rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15636; Wed, 31 Jul 91 21:33:54 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA09605; Wed, 31 Jul 91 21:20:33 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 31 Jul 91 19:35:12 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA15550; Wed, 31 Jul 91 19:35:09 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:12 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 17:12 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: wowowow geez i was bombarded today...im so excited that everybody wants to do this band thing.... about Happy cover...well i can figure out her music just by listening but it takes AGES....if we can have one set sheet of music it is much easier...i can't remember who is the composer here but i suggest handing that job over to you (whoever you are...sorry braindead here). abouts lyrics...well ive written three songs..and they stink sooo i would go with someone else...though I would love to try to write some lyrics...hmmmmmmm ideas are flowing..... I think greg outlined the plan of action concerning recording.. sounds good to me....in fact better than what I was thinking I was going for raw sound...simply everyone getting a basic idea of the music...setting your metronome..providing you have one on the...all on the same time and then recording whatever comes out in whatever fashion it comes out....HOWEVER if we can all get one idea...wow....geezz im just so excited about the possibilites...im going to have to drag out the dust choaked viols. back to grad school hunting i go hi ho hi ho kiri hargie@chinet.chi.il.us 1-Aug-91 3:23:09-GMT,2141;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26435; Wed, 31 Jul 91 23:23:00 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA05951; Wed, 31 Jul 91 23:22:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 23:22:54 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108010322.AA05951@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: misc. (including band-stuff) j> well, i was just printing out ecto (all the posts to the list) > to send to happy and kevin, but WOW it's HUGE!!!! > It's 206 pages. ut! and every word a gem... poor H&K! ;-} w> yeah, i'll get some sheet metal and bang on that. or > maybe see if i can master the fabled pvc pipe didjeridu! you're dreaming, woj. (yuck yuck) k> about Happy cover...well i can figure out her music just by > listening but it takes AGES....if we can have one set sheet > of music it is much easier...i can't remember who is the > composer here but i suggest handing that job over to you > (whoever you are...sorry braindead here). > > abouts lyrics...well ive written three songs..and they stink > sooo i would go with someone else...though I would love to > try to write some lyrics...hmmmmmmm ideas are flowing..... well, several people have expressed interest in coming up with some music, my rarely humble self included. i will certainly take at stab at transcribing Happy -- i've done a lot of covers in the past (from _RUTH_ to _Stairway To Heaven_ to _Blasphemous Rumours_); i think Happy will be relatively straightforward... but someone's gotta pick a song or two! i've also got a lot of music without lyrics; most of it in the Smiths/REM/sinead vein, though of course one can arrange it for any mood or style. (cyberska, metal age, etc.) J> but if folks just mark the band-talk as such, i don't have a > problem with hitting 'd. jorn, you are the very image of courtesy, of which all other is mere shadow... i.e., thanks, but do speak up if the signal/band ratio grows annoying... (likewise anyone else...) coming soon, an honest to goodness Happy related post from this small immobile unit. footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com 1-Aug-91 4:04:33-GMT,1258;000000000001 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00605; Thu, 1 Aug 91 00:03:58 EDT Message-Id: <9108010403.AA00605@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1377; Thu, 01 Aug 91 00:04:21 EDT Received: from NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1466; Thu, 01 Aug 91 00:04:20 EDT Received: from NUACVM (JLUECK) by NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2534; Wed, 31 Jul 91 23:03:20 CDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 23:01:54 CDT From: Jeff Lueck Organization: NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY Subject: A vote from a non-participant To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu X-Acknowledge-To: Although I am not participating, I enjoy reading the ramblings of those planning to form a band. Who knows, maybe someday when you are all popular I'll be able to say I read about it all while it was happening (and probably kicking myself for not joining in!). | JEFF "CHIP" LUECK | OFFICE PHONE: (708) 467-1897 | |HUMAN RESOURCES, NORTHWESTERN UNIV.| EMAIL: JLUECK@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU| |720 UNIV. PL, EVANSTON, IL 60208 | | 1-Aug-91 15:23:54-GMT,3085;000000000001 Received: from rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10156; Thu, 1 Aug 91 11:22:59 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA22011; Thu, 1 Aug 91 10:17:17 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 1 Aug 91 08:15:40 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA23945; Thu, 1 Aug 91 08:15:37 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Thu, 1 Aug 91 00:34 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 00:34 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: my Happy questions...at least some of them Ok here we go for all out weirdness: Happy: All of your songs seem to be partly if not wholy autobiographical - did you think in your childhood that you could create such emotion laden songs with a power that can strike a deep chord in those who listen?? Do you write your songs as a kind of catharsis of the past so as to say 'hey this is where ive been, look at me now.' Or do you write them to maybe let people that didnt go through the same types of experiences what another persons world is like? I know that I have very powerful dreams that sometimes cloud my vision of reality i.e. I occasionally confuse the dream world with the real world - is this something that you are trying to illustrate in Dreams Are....is it something that happens to you?? A lot of your songs carry a somewhat anti-'normal' society message - what do you think of this great big (piggish) world we live in - or is it just a dream?? How often do you feed your cats? Do your songs hold any personal statements against society besides being against the constrictions of the societal norm, do you blame society for the inherent evil (if you believe in that kind of evil) in the world. Did you ever want to be a teacher?? Your songs often pack a lot of fascinating, mystical, spooky material into a 4 or so min. package of brillance. Do you purposefully write with the intention of capturing the attention of those people that share a kindred spirit, are you trying to teach those "normal" people something out of the ordinary - i.e. to appreciate what's odd in the world?? With five albums under your belt what is your next big goal?? When can we expect the next H.R. production?? What do you think of your status as the "holy ghost" of musicians?? What do you think of your cult-like following?? There are more....but I think I just over-killed anyway...gad excuse the many typos y spelling mistakes...shisa i hate this dang editor....bit-- and moan, bit-- and moan.... Kiri hargie@chinet.chi.il.us ---------------------------------------------------------------- Ding-Dong the witch is dead which old witch - the wicked witch Ding-Dong the wicked witch is dead....hi ho the merrio sing it HIGH sing it low....Ding-Dong the wicked witch is dead. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Everyone have a good Lammas 1-Aug-91 15:25:16-GMT,3187;000000000001 Received: from rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10355; Thu, 1 Aug 91 11:24:42 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA22018; Thu, 1 Aug 91 10:17:22 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 1 Aug 91 08:21:14 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA24090; Thu, 1 Aug 91 08:21:12 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Thu, 1 Aug 91 02:00 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 02:00 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Hey, 'sokay by me Vickie here. I don't mind talk about the band. What a concept! Jessica, I'll send H&K a disc as soon as I get one all straightened out. I separate posts by month, then take the subject line and poster and list them at the beginning...like this: Subject: Lots o Happy talk Jessica Subject:    Gushing galore Vickie Subject: Rearmament ravings Kirstin etc. I'm only halfway done with July and you should *SEE* the subject line list I have already. This newsgroup is truly cooking! It's a major success and it's only just begun.... Next project, future pending, is a fan club newsletter for people who don't have access to the net at all. Happy and I have only just barely talked about a fan club, but I offered. Having a computer mailing list before a fan club is futuristic, fantastic and certainly must be rare. If we had a printer and better finances I could start tomorrow, but at least we can start thinking about such a thin I think it's important to have something together by the next album at least. It would be great, and Happy would certainly do it, to have on the album the address of a fan club and information about this list. The Homeground project is foremost on my mind now though. Thanks everyone for being so enthusiastic. I'm going to start working on an outline this weekend. Jeanne, you're absolutely right about a photo. Personally I'd prefer to have a completely different photo than Warpaint. That cover could be shown, but I want to see others. Jessica, how are your photos coming? The AG address is definitely very important, and a list of the albums and prices. Woj, I understand about the moderation in excess line. You're right. Perhaps a few "fan quotes" wouldn't be too bad though. Thanks woj, for telling us about Meredith! She's so cool and I'm so pleased that she  likes Happy and is spreading the word in Germany. Gotta go bed (I *love* to sleep, I just hate going to bed!) so bye for now. Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 1-Aug-91 15:57:32-GMT,2196;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13515; Thu, 1 Aug 91 11:57:19 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11025; Thu, 1 Aug 91 11:57:11 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 11:57:11 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9108011557.AA11025@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: fan club hi! Vickie, i do the same thing with ecto :) i have a list like this: A table of contents: #: Date: Name of Sender: Subject: -- ----- --------------- -------- 1) 10-Jun jessica Happy Rhodes List #1 :) (1963 chars) 2) 11-Jun David N. Blank Happy Rhodes List #1 :) (1211 chars) 3) 11-Jun jessica pre-list Happy Rhodes messag (1213 chars) 4) 13-Jun Kirstin Hargie happy (1705 chars) . . . . . . 256) 31-Jul Charlotte Stern out of hand? (979 chars) 257) 31-Jul Gregory Bossert Re: out of hand? (2579 chars) 258) 31-Jul Steve VanDevend rest of vol2 stuff (1591 chars) 259) 31-Jul jessica Re: lyricists? (961 chars) 260) 31-Jul Jorn Barger Re: lyricists? (752 chars) 261) 31-Jul jessica killable subject line (519 chars) 262) 31-Jul jessica Re: out of hand? (ecto band (1775 chars) It's incredibly easy to have it seperated into chucks by month - I use mm, it's fantstic for stuff like this. Anyway, i've often often often thought of having a fan club w/ news letter. I certainly have facilities here for creating one. And kinkos in town for copies. I *love* the idea. We shoudl tlak more about this - format, style, content? I got my pictures developed!!!!!!!!! they are not great :( but they are not bad!!! :) and hey, they're pictures of happy, i'm not complaining!! The background really wasn't very good (i'm wearing pink, happy is wearing purple, and we're stainding in front of this bright pink and purple diner with lots of shiny silver in very very bright direct sunlight) some of them came out really nicely though. I'll go the postoffice this afternoon and mail copies to Happy. If she gives me the ok, i'll scan one or two in. jessica 1-Aug-91 16:11:15-GMT,1518;000000000011 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15132; Thu, 1 Aug 91 12:10:55 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA08896; Thu, 1 Aug 91 11:10:47 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA10023; Thu, 1 Aug 91 09:12:34 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA05483; Thu, 1 Aug 91 09:12:32 CDT Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 09:12:32 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9108011412.AA05483@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: (ecto band only) Are we talking about covering a warpaint song? Or an earlyish happy song? They are drastically different. Personally, I kind of lost the point of the whole thing... why did anyone want to cover a happy song to start with?\ I like the vol 1 and 2 songs best, but there isn't much to coverr there === they are mostly quite simple and should stay that way. As far as writing music, I play only the piano (and voice) and am currently limited by my not so developed piano-skills... but I'd love to write some *band* songs (and maybe even rudimentary arrangements), since everything I've written till now I've had to perform myself au piano. First thing I need though is something to record with... any suggestions for a good all purpose mike for piano and vocals that isn't too expensive (I have a pretty good tape deck)? thanks -mjm 1-Aug-91 17:21:18-GMT,1668;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23723; Thu, 1 Aug 91 13:21:02 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12618; Thu, 1 Aug 91 13:20:49 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 13:20:45 EDT From: jessica To: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: (ecto band only) In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 1 Aug 91 09:12:32 CDT Message-Id: Mike says: "Are we talking about covering a warpaint song? Or an earlyish happy song? They are drastically different." Hmmm, i tihnk i'd prefer doing an earlier song, though i tihnk no matter what i'd want to do Feed The Fire, because of what it says.. i think it's perfect.. to in a way "sing back to" someone like happy. "Personally, I kind of lost the point of the whole thing... why did anyone want to cover a happy song to start with?" Well, we want to make music, any music. and we sort of got together through happy's music, which we all like, so why not do some covers of it? If anything just as an excersize and for fun :) Hmm i suppose i'm gonna need a mike too, unless i can wait for the new lab.. we'llhave a sound-room (ha!! it's *smaller* than a closet, but supposedly it's good for recording voice)... jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 1-Aug-91 21:18:31-GMT,1974;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25786; Thu, 1 Aug 91 17:17:58 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA18073; Thu, 1 Aug 91 17:17:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 17:17:52 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9108012117.AA18073@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: mics (ecto band!) mike and jessica ask about microphones for piano and vocals. + for piano i *highly* recommend the Radio Shack PZM mic. PZM mics are a relatively recent idea -- they look like flat square plates with a bump in the middle. they have a very wide dynamic range, so they are ideal for piano, which can be very quiet or very loud. they are almost impossible to break, and can be taped to a wall, or even to the inside of the piano (for live sound, i use one or two taped to the inner lid of a grand piano...) cost is about $60, but you might find a leftover model for cheaper. also, these mics have a 1/4" phone jack (like headphones do), so they can plug straight into many cassette decks. + for vocals, you could use a PZM mic (see above -- these things are really useful!). otherwise, my highest recommendation would be a Shure SM58 or SM57. the SM58 is the _classic_ live vocal mic. it has a relatively flattering sound (the PZM might be a little harsh on some voices). it is also indestructible (roadies hammer nails with these suckers!), and it *looks* like a vocal mic, so you can pose in front of mirrors... ;-} the SM57 has a little sharper sound, and is great for guitars, drums, etc. both mics cost less than $100 -- but you'll probably pay $60+ both mics have 3 pin 'DIN' connectors, so you need a mic cable and an adapter (available from Radio Shack)... if these are too much, check at a local music store for used mics -- a used Shure mic is probably good as new, and much cheaper. Cheapest option is Radio Shack, but the PZM mic is the only one worth the price...