Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1100 ecto, Number 1100 Friday, 29 April 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: dead can dance Re: UK Ecto Party May 7th 1994 Update Truth, Love, Literature... world cafe Loreena at the Palace of Fine Arts, SF Re: Mosaic on the Internet attn: Texasphiles... More K. Hersh... Bay area compilation Mary Coughlin Over the Rhine - very long version Over the Rhine - short version Gabrielle lit majors and jonathan carroll ectopics ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 4:17:52 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: dead can dance Hi Brad! > Do any of you know where I can get a copy of a dead can > dance discography? And, I haven't gotten an ecto digest in > what seems like a long time. Has it been? Is ecto ll? > brad I guess Jessica is still getting herself settled in San Francisco. I know a lot of people are missing the digests, and hopefully things will get back to normal soon. Can't help you with the DCD discography, sorry. Hey, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! *HUG* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 5:18:30 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: UK Ecto Party May 7th 1994 Update Geoff writes: > Anyway, since my last update the Ecto Party I'm hosting on May 7th has > grown significantly. More people are making the effort to come, because > more people are making the effort to come! > > The attendees list is now as follows (* indicates people not on Ecto but > with suitable musical tastes): > > >From Cambridge: myself, Tim (Steele), Guy (Larri) and Jonathan Oakley* > >From Ipswich: Tim (Cook) and his friends Simon* and Peter* > >From Nottingham: Stephen Thomas and his wife > >From Scotland: Dave Lindsay > >From Germany: Uli, Klaus & Claudia, Ilka & Peter > >From the USA: Meredith, woj, Vickie & Chris, Andy Marvick (aka IED)* > > The following have all expressed interest in coming at some point, but > haven't yet confirmed their attendance: > > >From the UK: Kerry > >From Australia (via Holland): Chris > >From the USA: Valerie Valerie can't make it :-(, Christo is working on it, and I'm pretty sure Kerry will show up. I'm curious...who, on the above list, will *not* be going to the KonvenTion in London the next day? Scott Telford is making a list of people going, and I'm interested in such a list too. On *my* list, everyone on Scott's list and everyone on your list is added. However, I know that not everyone on your list will be going, so I'd like to know who to take off. On the other hand, I know there are Ectophiles going to the KonvenTion who can't make it to Cambridge, and I'd like to know who those people are too. Steve Fagg, for instance, can't make it to Cambridge, but will be at the KonvenTion. Anyway...who's going to the KonvenTion? Vickie ======================================================================== From: "Andy Wee/(419) 634-0410" Subject: Truth, Love, Literature... Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 10:35:31 -0500 (EDT) Forwarded message: > From daemon Mon Apr 25 11:19:40 1994 > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 94 11:00:29 -0400 > From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu > Message-Id: <9404251500.AA15659@sugar-bombs.gnu.ai.mit.edu> > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > Subject: RhodesWays Barry inquires: > Are there any other Literature or poetry majors in the group? *the menace has come out of hiding* I'm a creative writing major, although my approach to music consists of mainly listening to the vocals and musical accompaniment as opposed to looking at the words...I am be an anomaly in the English major subset, as most of my peers read and recite the lyrics religiously. To each his own I guess... On a separate note, thanks to Alan Ezust for his Loreena bio...I've been to the Stratford Shakespeare Festival in Stratford, Canada, and didn't realize that she had performed there as well...Wow! I'm going to bring my copy of "The Mask and the Mirror" in to my "Brit Lit 1663-1830" class today to ecto-vangelise my Renassiance Lit prof who goes to the festival every year.. I'd bet she'd get a kick out of that...BTW it was after reading Alan's bio that I started reading the lyrics to some of Loreena's songs...It's really interesting how she sets Yeat's "The Two Trees" and Prospero's final speech to music...so I guess I'm beginning to pay attention to lyrics then... :> andy ======================================================================== Date: 29 Apr 94 11:24:19 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: world cafe I'm always amazed at how good this show is. I wish some station in Chicago would pick it up. Wolrd Cafe for the week of May 2, 1994 Monday 5/2 Feature album of the week presentation Iris Dement - My Life (Warner Bros) Tuesday 5/3 In the studio with Ben Harper performing songs from his debut, Welcome to the Cruel World. In hour two Malford Milligan of the Austin, Texas band Storyville performs songs from their debut, Bluest Eyes Wednesday 5/4 My Three Songs Thursday 5/5 In the studio with Jane Siberry Friday 5/6 Boz Scaggs in the studio performing songs from his new Virgin release, Some Change Saturday 5/7 Encore performances from Tori Amos and Sarah McLachlan UPCOMING SHOWS AND IN-STUDIO PERFORMANCES MAY 5/11 From Atlanta, the singer-songwriter duo of Billy Pilgrim' 5/12 Luna perform songs from their new album, Bewitched 5/13 The Indigo Girls premiere songs from their new album Swamp Ophelia 5/14 Encore performances from Janis Ian and Melissa Etheridge 5/17 In the studio with Alejandro Escovedo (Hour 1) and the Silos (Hour 2) 5/18 Steve Wynn performs songs from his new album, Flourescent 5/20 Alison Moyet steps into the Cafe with acoustic versions of songs from her new album, Essex. THE WORLD CAFE PLAYLIST TOP ALBUMS Bonnie Raitt - Longing In Their Hearts Richard Thompson - Mirror Blue Counting Crows - August and Everything After Sheryl Crow - Tuesday Night Music Club John Hiatt - Perfectly Good Guitar Tori Amos - Under The Pink Crashtest Dummies - God Shuffled His Feet Bruce Cockburn - Dart to the Heart Sam Phillips - Martinis and Bikinis Elvis Costello - Brutal Youth Crowded House - Together Alone Luna - Bewitched Boz Scaggs - Some Change The Mavericks - What A Crying Shame Live - Throwing Copper Billy Pilgrim - Billy Pilgrim Kate Bush - The Red Shoes Cowboy Junkies - Pale Sun, Cresecnt Moon Beck - Mellow Gold Possum Dixon - Possum Dixon The Grays - Ro Sham Bo Ted Hawkins - The Next Hundred Years Subdudes - Annunciation Chris Rea - Espresso Logic Downy Mildew - Slow Sky Morrissey - Vauxhall and I The Setters - The Setters Pavement - Crooked Rain Crooked Rain Rhythm Country and Blues Backbeat Soundtrack Syn - Matter of Time Groove Collective - Groove Collective Died Pretty - Trace Milton Nascimento - Angelus Blood Oranges - The Crying Tree Pat McLaughlan - Unglued C C Adcock - C C Adcock Storyville - Bluest Eyes Leo Kottke - Peculiarosa The Latin Playboys - The Latin Playboys Wild Colonials - Fruit of Life Domestic Science Club - Domestic Science Club Texas - Ricks Road Milla - The Divine Comedy Peter Himmelman - Skin Kennedy Rose - Walk The Line Steve Wynn - Flourescent Morphine - Cure For Pain Jackson Browne - I'm Alive Dr. John - Television Ry Cooder and Ali Farke Toure - Talking Timbuktu Alison Moyet - Essex Cotton Mather - Cotton Is King Primal Scream - Give Out But Don't Give Up Vigilantes of Love - Welcome To Struggleville Angelique Kidjo - Aye The Silos - Susan Across the Ocean Cresecnt City Gold - The Ultimate Sessions Francis Dunnery - Francis Dunnery John Gorka - Out of the Valley October Project - October Project Adrian Belew - Here Paul Weller - Wild Wood The Neville Brothers - Love on Planet Earth ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 08:50:37 PDT From: tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: Loreena at the Palace of Fine Arts, SF Well, to anyone planning on seeing Loreena McKennitt in SF, i suggest you hurry 'cause I got two of the last six tickets yesterday. Actually, it was kinda annoying/funny. Went down to Tower, asked for tickets to Loreena and the person stared at me blankly... It was hilarous, you know the Nirvana is God shirt and everything... Ah well, see y'all -- I have row L 10 & 12. troy shadbolt ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 10:13:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Mosaic on the Internet Wendy writes: >Thank you so much for this information and the listing of samples. I was >quite surprised to see so many bands from Santa Cruz listed. Some students >at U.C.S.C. and other folks have been pretty active on posting some of our >local bands' songs. I'm assuming the samples are not all from actual >full-length cds, though. Maybe some are just demos to test on the >download-capable audience? I think you're right. Here's the IUMA mission statement for those interested: --- The Internet Underground Music Archive, IUMA , has been founded to provide a worldwide audience to otherwise obscure and unavailable bands and artists. As a result the IUMA enables audiences to listen past what's commercially and traditionally available. Look for further developments coming in the weeks ahead. Robert Lord, Jeff Patterson IUMA co-Czars --- >Is there any kind of survey for comments, any information about the artists >and/or their recordings? There is indeed a place to leave comments about the recordings. Unfortunately, my WWW client is in early alpha and doesn't support forms yet (you need these in order to submit information to WWW servers), so I haven't been able to try it out. Ethan ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 13:17:50 -0400 From: "Andy Wee/(419) 634-0410" Subject: attn: Texasphiles... hello...your friendly neighbourhood nusiance again... I'm making a trip to Dallas/Austin from May 24th - 27th and yes, it's the same old story again...if you want to meet a soon to be defunct ectophile (losing all net access in 5 weeks), I'd be very very very very very glad to see you...email me... Judging from the time I've given people to respond here are some of my past experiences... Trip to chicago (2 days notice): No. of ectophiles met: 0 Trip to new york (2 weeks notice): No. of ectophles met: 2 Trip to dallas/austin (4 weeks notice): No. of ectophiles to meet: at least two at this point... give me a ring a call, send me email even! :> andy "why me?" wee awee@austin.onu.edu (419) 634-0410 ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 11:21:13 PDT From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: More K. Hersh... hi again -- on the japanese import of TM Red Heaven there are an additional 10 or so tracks of just Kristen during throwing muses stuff (cd is at home so i can't list them - if theres's intereste, i can bring it and list 'em). I like Hips and Makers much better overall, but a few of the TM songs are quite good done by Kristen alone. chris p.s. Thanks Much ethan for posting the PJ Harvey and others :) interview. *********************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 | * * Biology Dept., UCSB | we live in this darkness, * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 | beneath your lies * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -penelope houston * *********************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 11:34:58 PDT From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: Bay area compilation D^2 sez: >OK, I finally finished the Bay Area Ecto Sampler last night, and it should >be off to dbx soon. Here's the track listing: hmmmmm... i haven't heard of most of these folks, but the ones i have i like tremendously (Penelope and B. Manning). maybe now i'll finally be motivated to get a roundtuit and send a tape to the sampler, and start checking the pink section before my jaunts up to the bay area ( so much music, so little time -- seems to be a common lament in these here parts). {as a sidenote to the Penelope selections, no trouble w/ Corpus Christi - its a "classic"; but while Sweetheart is a great song, i think i'd have chosen Innocent Kiss or Whiteout (esp the live version). but that's just personal preference, and one of the troubles with samplers..... thanks for compiling it, so some of the east coast & international sorts can hear her. although she does tour europe quasi-often (think there is one coming up in the fall???) } penelope rant off (sorry folks :) chris F. *********************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 | * * Biology Dept., UCSB | we live in this darkness, * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 | beneath your lies * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -penelope houston * *********************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 13:17:33 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: Mary Coughlin Ok Vickie, this is what I found. It's a single called "There is a bed", on eastwest records, which appears to be a subsidiary of Warner Music UK. The copyright is 1992 and there is no information about the songs being on any album. I'm not so sure what number is appropriate for ordering, maybe YZ651CD (or 9031-76986-2). SOngs are: There is a bed - written by M. Almond Just A Friend Of Mine - by Lambreg/Schoufs/Schoovanerts/Francois Man of the World - by Peter Glenister. I liked the latter two the best. There is no list of musicians or anything, but there is some very prominant saxophone on the songs. Sort of a wailing, adult-contemporary kind of thing that I have mixed feelings about. Seems a pretty good single though. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 13:46:17 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: Over the Rhine - very long version D^2 asked about OtR, and no one has answered yet, so here is what I know (and now that I'm done, I think more than you want to know!) I saw them open for Squeeze last year and was only marginally impressed. The nearest point of reference was Edie Brickel and the New Bohemians, but that wasn't exactly right. They were ok, and I was willing to look into them. Outside the show they had excellent merchandise. I think they must be a bunch of art/lit students, because all there stuff looks and reads wonderfully. They had a pair of really nice shirts (cheep too) and a disc, which I bought. I thought it was Patience, but turned out to be 'Til We Have Faces. The disc is one of the nicest looking discs I have ever seen. Thick dark paper book with lyrics and lots of great photos, of the band and just cool things. I was sold more on the packaging than the show. This disc is their independent release of their earlier work, and is excellent. I don't have Patience yet, but this was one of my major finds of last year. It is really solid, and has a few songs that are just incredible. I don't know where you can buy it from, but I'll include all info I have at the end of this. They seem to be a very literate band, without sounding pretentious. The above disc's title is lifted from CS Lewis, and Patience is from "Patience is everything" - Rainer Maria Rilke (Jonathon Carroll's favorite poet!). They quote Aldous Huxley in the Faces disc. When I bought that at the show, they were giving away free packets of postcards. Sort of info blurbs on various stuff, with more of the wonderful pictures they tend to use, including the old man from the front of the Patience disc. Here are some excerpts: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Band: Karin Bergquist, Vocals and Acoustic Guitar "I'm still discovering the ice that never melts in my own heart." Ric Hordinski, Electric and Acoustic Guitars "Sometimes I think music can make you immortal, immortal 'til the day you die." Brian Kelley, Drums and Percussion, "I don't know what it is about our music .. maybe it's music in general .. but intriguing, nubile young women seem to come out fo the woodwork. It's unsettling." Linford Detweiler, Bass and Keyborad Instruments "I'd like to own my own apple orchard and an underground spring; I'd like to build a fire by the windblown sea." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- A things to pack list for their first tour, including books by Lewis, RIlke, Dylan Thomas, and Edward Gorey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info on some of the art they use, and the people in it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Band history: Feb 1989 - L. Detweiler sees Karin B., a former schoolmate, perform a classical duet in Italian at a recital and approaches her with the possibility of delving into pop music. April 1989 - KB, RH, BK and LD record their first handful of songs and adopt the name of the neighborhood which surrounds them. (These initial attempst are eventually collected on 'Til We Have Faces.) Sept 1989 - KB relocates to Cincinnati from her tiny rural hometown of Barnesville, Ohio, enticed by nebulous promises of good fortune through artistic persuit. April, 1990 - OtR records the rest of Faces in a borrowed Sunday School room. "we were ripping handfuls of pages from post-adolescent memoirs and calling it music." Sept 1990 - OtR commences a long tradition of live performanced by candlelight across the Midwest and is increasingly referred to as "the Ohio River's best kept secret." Nov 1990 - OtR is signed to a publishing deal by MCA Music, based on the strength of the early songs. Mar 1991 - OtR spends several ill-fated spring nights doing the initial tracking for a collection of songs tentatively titled "Patience." The homespun recording equipment proves recalcitrant and the project is temporarily shelved. July 191 - Faces is released independently by OtR on CD and sparks critical praise in Europe and the United States. "This recored twists and floats, wraps you in its arms, smaks you 'round the face and then kisses you to make up ... " Rupert Loydell, London, England Aug 1991 - Patience is recoreded in a pregnant week of Nashville midnights in a 24(!) track studio provided by OtR's publisher. NOv 1991 - OtR oepens a handful of Midwestern dates for Bob Dylan. Mar Apr 1992 - OtR's intinerary includes support for guitarist Adrian Belew at 30 odd concerts across North America: as far west as SF, south to Atlanta, north to Toronto, east to Buffalo. July 1992 - Patience is independently released by OtR. Aug 1992 - OtR plays festivals in Holland and England and explores the UK for five weeks. "We were spies in the land of Canaan; we were flies in the soup of England." Sept 1992 - OtR negotiates a new publishing deal with Sony. Dec 1992 - SOmeoine from IRS sees them and offers a contract. June 1993 - Patience released on IRS Journal entry - Linford Detweiler Aug 1988 "I've just joined Ric and Brian in Cincinnati to pursue music and youthful adventure. We live not far apart in an old German neighborhood called "Over the Rhine." It's glutted with angular mid-nineteenth century brick buildings and beautifully edreadful nightime streets. It's somber, racially mixed, ethnically diverse and blessed with an abundance of transients, panhandlers and assorted misfits. We'll be doing all of our initial writing and recording in my third story bedroom overlooking the activity of Main Street. OtR is a poet's dream neighbourhood in that its imagery is often so striking: people getting stoned on the steps of St. JOhn's; reticent, toothless smiles of old women in windows .... " OtR PO Box 2572 Cincinnatie Ohio 45201 ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 13:48:15 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: Over the Rhine - short version There are a stupendous band that has some hauntingly beautiful catchy songs. Look for the old stuff on 'Til We Have Faces. Patience is on my list of things that need to be bought. According to them (at least at the time of Faces), they play "post-nuclear, pseudo-alternative, folk-tinged art-pop." Neal ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 13:56:18 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Gabrielle Hi, First of all, a BIG *THANK YOU* to Jessica for sending out the digests. It will give me something to read during this (Greek) Easter weekend. For now I have only browsed through them. Second of all, synchronicity is amazing. I have also recently acquired _October Project_ and read the Vampire Chronicles. I haven't listened to OP yet, since I have been obsessing over the new Stabbing Westward CD _Ungod_ which will appeal to the NIN fans around here. But I have read the first three volumes of the Vampire Chronicles and look forward to Vol. 4, which awaits me. Now, on to the subject. I was under the erroneous impression that the character in Happy's two vampire songs was the same one as in Anne Rice's books. Apparently it's not. Because Gabrielle is none other than the mother of Lestat, and so the whole bit about the Count is not quite right... Therefore Happy's songs would be sort of inappropriate for the movie, unless they were changed. (Not that I don't like them as they are). I would like to see what Happy could do with the lyrics of the Lestat songs that appear in Vol. 2 and 3 of the Chronicles. *That* would be interesting, and would get her in the soundtrack of the next movies :-) And on to a related subject. What's the cast again? Tom Cruise as Lestat, and ??? . Now that I know what the characters are like, I am curious. Wait. Tom Cruise as LESTAT? :-) Angelos ======================================================================== From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Subject: lit majors and jonathan carroll Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 18:06:14 EDT Here is a lit major--and teacher of lit (Ameican)> I've a BA in English/Latin with a certificate in Women's Studies and an MA in English. I was partway otao my Phd but quit for a while to decide if I'd rather get my MFA and then started teaching because the govt wad me topay back my loans. So now I teach 8th gre English/Freshman Spanish, college composition and a few survey classes. Yes, I teach in two places, a college and a public school. So, I guess, I have to wonder why you askedd? It's so nice to know that someone out theree likesJonathan Carroll!! I'm reading _From the Teeth of Angels_ right now. Ive got all the rest exceppt _ Die Paniache Han_ and _The Land of Laughs_. which I've read but still wwant. Books in print doesn't and hasn't shown a listing for DPH since it showed up in the front of books sometime around _Black Coktail_. Well, back to music. I'm sorry finding other JC readers made me too ected!d! Ah, the varied and worderful world of ecto! PS thanks for the digests Jessica! Now, back to music! -{ bhutchin@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu There's some real people in the world and some who are pretend. --Robyn Hitchcock ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 18:39:29 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (lasagna breeze) Subject: ectopics farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) sez: >on the japanese import of TM Red Heaven there are an additional 10 or so >tracks of just Kristen during throwing muses stuff that is a live recording of one of her solo acoustic shows. this one in particular was recorded at maxwell's in hoboken (alternately known as "the hole in the wall" and "the place of tall people"). there was a limited edition of the uk release of _red heaven_ which included these tracks (plus two others which didn't fit on the single japanese disc) on a bonus disc. it cost me a bit more but i think it was worth it. :) i picked up kristen's _strings_ ep this past weekend. as the name implies, it is renditions of a few songs from _hips and makers_ with string accompaniment instead of the guitar. it's quite pretty. the songs are "a loon," "sundrops," "me and my charms" and "velvet days." kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) sez: >since I have been obsessing over the new Stabbing Westward CD >_Ungod_ which will appeal to the NIN fans around here. hmmm. i've only listened to this disc once but i was rather unimpressed. it seems to have more metal aspects to it than a nin comparison would indicate. i'll probably check it out once more before selling it or something but i don't know if i'd recommend this even to noizeheads. Neal Copperman sez about over the rhine: >The disc is one of the nicest looking discs I have ever seen. this was the exact reason why i bought _patience_. i found it in a cutout bin and started paging through the jewel booklet. wow! it's just plain gorgeous! i had no idea about _til we had faces_ until someone mentioned it here recently. that's on the wantlist now too. +woj ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)