Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1078 ecto, Number 1078 Wednesday, 13 April 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* list addresses... RE: ecto #1075 mailing lists.... Kurt Cobain's suicide note Re: _Bohemia_ -- Mae Moore Classified ads -- 11 Apr 1994 Re: tori loreena tour dates for canada October Project Re: Kurt Cobain's suicide note Tapes! tel basta Re: _Bohemia_ -- Mae Moore tori transcription Kurt Cobain's Note belated bday too weird for me ======================================================================== From: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu (Laurel) Subject: list addresses... Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 22:02:10 +22293638 (CDT) alright..... i searched through all the little scraps of paper strewn about near my computer, but i couldn't find the addresses for a couple of mailing lists that I've been meaning to join for awhile.... If you know of the list info for those devoted to these artists (and I know many of you out there do :))... please drop me a note in mail.... Thanx! :) I'm looking for the lists for Sarah McLachlan, Jane Siberry, and Richard Thompson..... Thank you much.... ::: Laurel Krahn ::: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "I would only believe in a God that knew how to dance." - Nietzsche :) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 22:58 EST From: SABOE@ucis.vill.edu (linda) Subject: RE: ecto #1075 hi! >He had an American woman singing with him, Eliza Somebody (I didn't even >keep the program notes.) She was good about 20% of the time; often her >voice is too weak and thin. She did get *one* chance to play and sing >her own work, right after the intermission. Otherwise it's simply eliza gilkison perhaps? her family used to live across the dirt road from me in santa fe. her brother tony is much better...she's not too bad, but i don't see her going anywhere big. there's something rather flighty and mediocre abt. her. yes, "thin" is the right descriptor. i dunno know. she just doesn't have it. no stretch. flying on her daddies coat tails...he's terry gilkison...composer, wrote the music for disney's jungle book. -linda (wander aimlessly) ======================================================================== From: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu (Laurel) Subject: mailing lists.... Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 22:52:58 +22293638 (CDT) Well, I now have the Jane and Sarah list info (thanx woj!)... ...still seeking info on a Richard Thompson mailing list... I know it's out there.... :) thanx... ::: Laurel Krahn ::: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "I need another cheap plastic trophy about as much as the Illiad needs one thousand more verses about Agamemnon!" - Chris Elliot ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 09:44:07 EST From: Ilka Heber Subject: Kurt Cobain's suicide note Hi everybody, just a question: did anybody ever hear or read Kurt's suicide note? I heard that Courtney Love read it at his memorial service. I was wondering whether the contents was published. I would be interested to know what he wrote. If anybody can help, please email me directly. Thanks. Ilka ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 22:18:57 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: _Bohemia_ -- Mae Moore Doug Burkerises: > Musically, the album doesn't rise much above a ever tasteful subdued > accompaniment to Mae Moore. A few melodies and hooks occasionally rise > above the background. I think I liked this album a lot more than you did; once again, of course, personal opinion reigns supreme... > Most unusual word in a song award: She has quite a few candidates, but > I will go for "whippoorwill". Well she was working on the album with Steve Kilbey, winner of the Only Person Ever To Use The Word "Opulence" Prominently In A Song award for "Almost With You" back in 1982... :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 07:14:34 +0700 From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Classified ads -- 11 Apr 1994 ECTO CLASSIFIED ADS 11 Apr 1994 Editor -- Doug Burks [dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu] Please check your ads and send me any changes, additions, or deletions! For full information, see the classified FAQ, available from the editor or anonymous FTP at olympic.atmos.colostate.edu [129.82.107.46] as pub/ecto/ class-faq. >>>> MUSIC WANTED CD's wanted [for a start :) ] for trade or purchase: any by Pamela Golden (except for _Happens All the Time_) any by Area any by Moon Seven Times (except for _Moon Seven Times_) any by Gyan Contact: Doug Burks [dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu] 6 Mar 94 CD's wanted for purchase (or trade): (any) Bobo in White Wooden Houses _Les Marionneres_ Collection D'Arnell-Andrea _Fall Down_ Margot Smith Contact: Michael Callahan [callahan%dialogvm@mcimail.com] 6 Mar 94 Manfred Mann's Earth Band -- I Who Have Nothing (single). For purchase or trade. I'd even be happy with a tape dub! Contact: Klaus Kluge [klaus@inphobos.wupper.de] 16 Feb 94 CD's wanted (for trade or purchase) Bel Canto - any cd singles with non-lp tracks Cranes - Inescapable (cd single) Earwig - any cd singles with non-lp tracks Innocence Mission - any cd singles with non-lp tracks Margot Smith - Adored (cd single) Tribe - Here at Home, Joyride (cd single), Payphone (cd single) Contact: Art Liestman [art@cs.sfu.ca] 22 Feb 94 CD's wanted for purchase or trade: Robyn Hitchcock - _I Often Dream of Trains_ Contact: Emily Breed [emilyb@netcom.com] 1 Mar 94 >>>> MUSIC AVAILABLE Happy Rhodes albums available for sale or trade: Contact: [your name would look nice here! :) ] Tape dubbing project. Cassette tapes: miscellany related to Happy Rhodes, various samplers, and Ecto projects, available for sale (or possibly trade). Contact: Doug Burks [dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu] 6 Feb 94 Duplicate albums available for trade: _Strange Fire_ -- Indigo Girls [unused CD] _Become What You Are_ -- The Juliana Hatfield Three [unused CD] _Melissa Etheridge_ [used cassette] Contact: Doug Burks [dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu] 21 Mar 94 _Cherish the Day_ -- Sade 4 versions: Sade remix short version 5:18, Sade remix long version 6:18, Ronin remix 6:58, Pal Joey remix 6:46. Made in Austria. Slim jewel pack. A long story let me end with THREE copies of that single. One is left. Trading preferred. Contact: Uli Grepel [uli@zoodle.robin.de] 10 Feb 94 _Y Kan't Tori Read_ Good quality tape copies of my CD. For costs (tape+ postage). Or I'll trade tapes. Contact: Uli Grepel [uli@zoodle.robin.de] 10 Feb 94 Y Kant Tori Read - Good quality tape copies of my DAT dub, an optical digital transfer made from Uli's CD. May be handy if you live in this part of the world. Dolby B and C available, HX Pro. I can possibly arrange a DAT copy. I can also dub it onto MiniDisc for the gadgetphiles amongst you. Contact: Anthony Horan [anthony@xymox.apana.org.au] 6 Mar 94 >>>> ECTO GATHERINGS 7 May 1994: Excuse: The Kate Bush Fan Club Convention in London on 8 May [NB. This has still to be finally confirmed] Venue: 30 New Square, Cambridge CB1 1EX, UK Contact: Geoff Parks [gtp10@phx.cam.ac.uk] 6 Mar 94 12 Jun 1994: Edinburgh, Scotland, site to be determined. Contact: Neile Graham [neile@u.washington.edu] 16 Feb 94 >>>> CONCERT GATHERINGS -- none -- >>>> PERSONAL ANNOUNCEMENTS Al Sodoma [ajs@fermat.cci.com] 16 Feb 94 I got engaged on 10/2/93. The wedding is set for 8/13/94. So far the plans are going pretty good. Got most of the major stuff done. Now for how I did it!: 10/2 was my brother's wedding. We're twins, so I wanted to do something special. I was also the best man. Since I wanted to ask Karen to marry me anyway, I figured that that day would be it. So I called up Bill & Jen and asked them if it was OK. This was about a month ahead of time. That whole time people would ask me if I had my 'best man speech' ready. I told everyone that I was gonna wing it. Needless to say, the time came for the speech and that's when I asked her! Awaiting your submissions as editor, I remain ... Doug Burks _O_ @>->--- dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 22:15:43 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: tori Alan says: > | seems this is the most horrible thing Tori could do...) if she got a band > | behind her, the power of songs like "Tear In Your Hand", and "Precious > | Things" would have been even greater, not lessened. I think this'll be > | inevitable anyway, as her popularity grows. > > I disagree. Maybe for a song like Take to the Sky, the band would be > useful, but songs like Precious Things are so much better live than on her > CD, I would cringe if she got a band behind her. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one (ah, the diversity of Ecto...!) - I much prefer the CD version of "Precious Things". And most of the other songs from "Little Earthquakes", with one or two exceptions. The two experiences are so different as to be almost incomparable anyway, but if I had to choose between a live recording or the studio version, I'd take the studio album personally. > Not that I'd see her live anyway; I am too disgusted by her record > company's practices, and am unable to bring myself to spend another penny > on her commercial endeavors unless they are full-length CDs. Her record company's practices are typical for the UK record industry, if you're referring to the Limited Edition single fiasco. The way I look at it is that we may never heave heard those tracks at all were it not for the copius amount of different versions put out by Warner UK, and we can always circumvent their greedy ways by taping the songs anyway. :) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:40:47 -0400 Subject: loreena tour dates for canada I just got a schedule of her tour dates for Canada... May 5 St Denis Theatre Montreal May 6 Massey Hall Toronto May 8 Centennial Concert Hall Winnipeg May 15 Jack Singer Auditorium Calgary May 16 Jack Singer Auditorium Calgary May 25 Queen Eliz Theatre Vancouver May 26 Royal Theatre Victoria So she is skipping the National Capitol and playing in Calgary twice??!? very odd... -- | Alan Ezust ezust@cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| ======================================================================== Date: 12 Apr 94 12:13:05 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: October Project Finally got around to seeing my tape of Oct. Proj. on Conan. Did somebody say "Renaissance?" :-) (The resemblance was just too uncanny for me... but I liked them anyways!) -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:41:18 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Kurt Cobain's suicide note Here's part of an article from yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle: Seattle said goodbye to Kurt Cobain last night in true grunge-rock style, with a memorial service that included an obscenity-laced recorded farewell from his wife, Courtney Love, who asked the crowd to call the singer, an apparent suicide, an "asshole". "Just remember that this is all bullshit," said a weeping Love in an angry tape recording played to 5,000 fans gathered below the Space Needle in Seattle Center. In an extraordinary, emotional diatribe, she went on to read what she said was a portion of Cobain's suicide note, which she called "like a letter to the fucking editor." According to Love, Cobain, 27, said he felt, "guilty beyond years ... that the manic roar of the crowd doesn't affect me as much as it did Freddie Mercury. I can't fool any of you." Interjected Love, "No, the worst crime is leaving." "Kurt also said, 'I thank you from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your concern and your letters over the last years.'" Love said that part of the letter was addressed to her and her daughter Frances and was "none of your fucking business." D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 17:22:48 CDT From: johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon) Subject: Tapes! Yeah! Yoop-yoop! My Tape Dubbing tapes are in! Thanks, Doug. I will now go into a state of bliss for the next few days. John H. (As if I weren't already behind on a whole bunch of stuff...ah, well) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 19:07:23 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (throttled by meredith) Subject: tel basta hello all... following up on what i posted last night about tel basta: upon further reflection inspired by the arrival of _laid up in lavendar_ in my mailbox this afternoon, i smacked my forehead when i realized that i missed a very apt comparison to illuminate ectophiles regarding what tel basta sounds like: big hat! (fear not: i don't talk like i post. ;) like big hat, tel basta takes the non-electric guitar route to their etherielness: layered synths, a gorgeous acoustic guitar and, on more than a few songs, a striking violin. i'm quite taken with this new album of theirs - recommended! +woj ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 19:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: S Trowbridge Subject: Re: _Bohemia_ -- Mae Moore On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Anthony Horan wrote: > Doug Burkerises: > > > Musically, the album doesn't rise much above a ever tasteful subdued > > accompaniment to Mae Moore. A few melodies and hooks occasionally rise > > above the background. > > I think I liked this album a lot more than you did; once again, of course, > personal opinion reigns supreme... I've got to agree with Anthony -- I just got a copy of "Bohemia," and I love it!! I wouldn't describe it as hook-filled, certainly, but it has a gorgeous, seductive sound all its own. Can't imagine why it took Sony two years to release it in the U.S. I'd give this one **** out of 5. > > Most unusual word in a song award: She has quite a few candidates, but > > I will go for "whippoorwill". Most pretentious liner note award: "This album is dedicated to the citizens of the world." --Sue Trowbridge -------------------------------------------------------------------- I miss the comfort in being sad --k.c. 1967-1994 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 17:04:47 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: tori transcription I have finally finished transcribing the Tori press conference in LA last month. It's really long though, so I don't know if I should post it to Ecto. I think it's about 11 pages when I print it out (a 12K file). So, if people want to read it, I'd be happy to send it to people directly. I guess if enough people want it, or someone tells me in the right authoritarian tone of voice that it's ok, then I'll post it. Neal ======================================================================== From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 20:24:35 -0500 Subject: Kurt Cobain's Note Someone (I have no memory. Was it Ilka?) asked about Kurt Cobain's suicide note. Here's a transcription which was posted to alt.music.alternative. It's the parts of the note which were read by Courtney Love at the memorial service and includes her commentary. A tape of this was broadcast last night on MTV. I don't know what to say. I feel the same way you guys do. If you guys don't think... to sit in this room where he played guitar and sang, and feel so honored to be near him, you're crazy... Anyway, he left a note, it's more like a letter to the fucking editor. I don't know what happened. I mean it was gonna happen, but it could've happened when he was 40. He always said he was gonna outlive everybody and be a hundred and twenty. I'm not gonna read you all the note 'cause it's none of the rest of your fucking business. But some of it is to you. I don't really think it takes away his dignity to read this considering that it's addressed to most of you. He's such an asshole. I want you all to say 'asshole' really loud. "This note should be pretty easy to understand. All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years since my first introduction to the shall we say, ethics involved with independence and embracement of your community, it's proven to be very true. "I haven't felt the excitment of listening to as well as creating music, along with really writing something, for too many years now. "I feel guilty beyond words about these things -- for example, when we're backstage and the light go out and the roar of the crowd begins, it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddie Mercury, who seemed to love and relish the love and adoration of the crowd." Well, Kurt, so fucking what -- then don't be a rock star you asshole. "Which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact that I can't fool you, any one of you, it simply isn't fair to you or to me. The worst crime I could think of would be to pull people off by faking it, pretending as if I'm having 100% fun" Well Kurt, the worst crime I can think of is for you to just continue being a rock star when you fucking hate it, just fucking stop. "Sometimes I feel as I should have a punch-in time-clock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it, and I do, God believe me I do, but it's not enough. I appreciate the fact that I and we have effected and entertained a lot of people. I must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're alone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasm I once had as a child. On our last 3 tours I've had a much better appreciation of all the people I know personally, and as fans of our music, but I still can't get out the frustration to gather the empathy I have for everybody. There's good in all of us and I simply love people too much." So why didn't you just fucking stay? "So much that it makes me feel just too fucking sad. Sad little sensative unappreciative Pieces --" Jesus man oh shut up.. bastard Why didn't you just enjoy it? I don't know. Then he goes on to say personal things to me that are none of your damn business; personal things to Frances that are none of your damn business. "I had a good marriage, and for that I'm grateful. But since the age of seven, I've become hateful toward all humans in general only because it seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy." Empathy? "Only because I love and feel for people too much I guess Thank you all from the pit of my burning nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the last years. I'm pretty much of an erratic moody person and I don't have the passion anymore. Peace, Love, Empathy, Kurt Cobain." And there is some more personal things that is none of your damn business. And just remember: this is all bullshit... And I'm laying in our bed, and I'm really sorry. And I feel the same way you do. I'm really sorry you guys. I don't know what I could have done. I wish I'd been here. I wish I hadn't listened to other people, but I did. Every night I've been sleeping with his mother, and I wake up in the morning and think it's him because his body's sort of the same. I have to go know. -- Courtney Love __________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld, so I can sigh eternally." - Kurt Cobain __________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 17:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: John Zimmer Subject: belated bday A belated Happy Birthday to Michael Bowman! (I'd meant to post this earlier, but mailer problems -- and sleep deprivation -- got in the way.) John Zimmer tiefe@agora.rdrop.com ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 22:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: too weird for me Hi! My "to reply to" ecto file is frighteningly huge, as is the rest of my mail queue (what else is new?), but I just *had* to post this: Kurt Cobain is already on the cover of Newsweek. I was in the bookstore early yesterday afternoon as they put it on the shelves. That was Monday. His body was discovered on Friday. Factor in writing and shipping time, and it just Does Not Compute. Do they have a clairvoyant editor over there, or something??? ***whoOOOooo*** Anyway, I was in the store picking up the new issue of B-Side magazine, which has Tori on the cover. I daresay it's an even better article than the Creem story, definitely check it out! (And the pictures are wonderful, too.) I also checked out the latest Billboard, and Tori and Sarah are both doing well with their respective singles on the charts. I think "Possession" has rocketed to #6 on the Modern Rock chart, and is expected to crack the Hot 100 shortly... what I can't figure out, though, is how Crash Test Dummies could have the #2 song on the Modern Rock chart and also the #7 song on the Hot 100, while Tori's #1 Modern Rock single is only #88 or something on the Hot 100. Anyone familiar with the arcane intricacies of the Billboard chart system care to enlighten me on that one? I have a new playlist from Sunday... I'll post it tomorrow, along with another Klaus (don't say I didn't warn you :). Hey- any Ectophiles planning to go to the KaTe Bush KonvenTion, my travel goddess found me and woj an EXCELLENT deal on Virgin Atlantic out of Newark that other people's travel agencies haven't been able to match. E-mail me if you're interested, and I'll give you her number- she'll send tickets anywhere in the US. :) That's all I have to spew for now... +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA meth@delphi.com| +===========================================================================+ |"and there is a love that's inherently given a kind of blindess offered to | | deceive and in that light of forbidden joy oh I know I won't receive it " | | - Sarah McLachlan, "Wait" | +===========================================================================+ ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)