Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #550 ecto, Number 550 Friday, 30 April 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* ecto statistics Re: Happy Sales... Re: Happy's trip to Michigan! Re: bi-weekly Re: PG tour Another day, another week. re:evolution Happyvengalising, at last ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 12:45 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: ecto statistics Mitch set me to the idea doing some statistics about ecto. Using awk to extract the "From:" lines, sort to sort them, uniq to count identical lines, my brain to merge multiple addresses per person, sort again to sort it after number of messages resulted in the following statistics that holds all ecto messages in my Ecto.mbox file that goes from August 25 1992 to April 29 1993: 426 From: WretchAwry 189 From: Angelos Kyrlidis 162 From: 135 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu 122 From: Suspended In Duct Tape 100 From: "Michael Blackmore" 99 From: Mike Mendelson 82 From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) 76 From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) 67 From: Martin Dougiamas 64 From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) 62 From: woj 62 From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) 60 From: Terry Partis 59 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) 59 From: Steve Fagg 56 From: Tree of Schnopia 56 From: Dirk Kastens 55 From: Michael G Peskura 54 From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) 53 From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) 48 From: tlb@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Tracy Barber) 46 From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) 44 From: jessica 36 From: special K 35 From: Neile Graham 35 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com 34 From: Greg Bossert 33 From: "John M. Relph" 31 From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) 28 From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) 27 From: alan moorse 25 From: Laura Clifford 24 From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) 23 From: kiri 22 From: spotter@darwin.bio.uci.edu (Steve Potter) 21 From: "Jeff "Chip" Lueck" 20 From: shark@cs.ucla.edu (Jeanne B. Schreiter) 20 From: Sam Warren 20 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme 20 From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Barry Wong) 19 From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) 19 From: GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@bhpmelmsm.bhp.bhpmel04.telememo.au 19 From: Chris Sampson 17 From: tsai@ikos.com (Finney T. Tsai) 17 From: drk@leland.stanford.edu (David Koehler) 17 From: "Daniel S. Riley" 16 From: mpf0642@tesla.njit.edu 16 From: jmg@rocket.com (Jim Gurley) 15 From: scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us (Stuart M. Castergine) 15 From: rjk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) 15 From: "Mary (M.L.) Rowe" _____________425 msgs from 117 people to follow____________________ 14 From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu 14 From: Michael Matthews 14 From: eperry@kean.ucs.mun.ca 13 From: "Chris Waite" 12 From: justin@campion.crim.ca (Justin Bur) 12 From: David N. Blank-Edelman 12 From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) 11 From: wrp@ivy.paramax.com (Bill Pringle) 11 From: markp@serpens.sbi.com (Mark P*) 11 From: ken@startek.com (Ken Descoteaux) 10 From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) 9 From: "Mark C. Carroll" 9 From: "Julianne Dunphy" 9 From: "Gary Nichols" 8 From: Tim Cook 7 From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) 7 From: Mike Weaver <72210.2035@compuserve.com> 7 From: lusky@sol.hc.ti.com (Steve Lusky) 7 From: Ectophiles Guide 7 From: ACSSQMC@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu 7 From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." 6 From: Tamar Boursalian 6 From: Karl Dotzek 6 From: Albert Philipsen 6 From: ajs@jloda.cci.com (Alan Sodoma) 5 From: Tim Breitkreutz 5 From: Stephen Thomas 5 From: scottz@gentoo.com (Scott Zimmerman) 5 From: myhui@bigbunny.isis.org (Michael M.Y. Hui) 5 From: ksilver@startek.com (Keith Silver) 5 From: kennel@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Chris Kennel) 5 From: Ken Taylor 4 From: tjshadb@deneb.csustan.edu (Troy James Shadbolt) 4 From: ROBNPAM@delphi.com 4 From: piaw@pure.com (Na Choon Piaw) 4 From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk 4 From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) 4 From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) 4 From: csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey) 4 From: bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Michael Bowman) 4 From: Bob Brown <74756.1557@compuserve.com> 3 From: TDELAHUNTY@ruby.vcu.edu 3 From: stevew@hal.com (Steve Williams) 3 From: Richard.Dean@central.sun.com (Richard Dean) 3 From: mnf0642@hertz.njit.edu (mnf) 3 From: jim@medinah.atc.ucarb.com 3 From: Gray Abbott 3 From: golden@rumba.seas.upenn.edu (Stephen Golden) 3 From: GE-ADMIN@geis.com 3 From: ganglia@cortex.rutgers.edu (Christine) 3 From: ejg@eplrx7.es.dupont.com (Ed Grozalis) 3 From: dorje@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Berkowitz) 3 From: "Dennis G Parslow" 2 From: steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner) 2 From: rsmith@wisp4.physics.wisc.edu (Randall K. Smith) 2 From: rhill@netrun.cts.com (ronald hill) 2 From: Real Nighttime 2 From: positron@leland.stanford.edu 2 From: pi@ruth.ece.jhu.edu (Pablo A. Iglesias) 2 From: Kimberly Stauffer AMSTE-LGS 4900 2 From: Ken Latta 2 From: Joel Malman 2 From: heath@iceblink.cs.jhu.edu (Dave Heath) 2 From: guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) 2 From: Ethan Douglas Straffin 2 From: ecurrent@sizone.jaywon.pci.on.ca (Mr. Plow) 2 From: dtorok@nynexst.com 2 From: drotschm@eos.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Wolfgang Drotschmann) 2 From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) 2 From: chrisw@fciad2.bsd.uchicago.edu (chris williams) 2 From: bjork@napa.telebit.com 2 From: bdugan@gnu.ai.mit.edu 1 From: Your name 1 From: Yli-Krekola Perttu 1 From: welsh@epcc.ed.ac.uk 1 From: vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen) 1 From: Valerie Nozick 1 From: tyg@valhalla.hq.ileaf.com (Tom Galloway) 1 From: Tony Garrity 1 From: Tommy Persson 1 From: Tim Albaugh 1 From: Sue 1 From: Steve W Hill 1 From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) 1 From: Ron Buckmire 1 From: Rodney Somerstein 1 From: rmorrow@afit.af.mil (Robert K. Morrow) 1 From: Nik Newark plc 1 From: Nancy Everson 1 From: Mike Bixenman 1 From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu 1 From: mas@cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich) 1 From: lan@panix.com (Larry Nathanson) 1 From: labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (King o' Pain) 1 From: jonathan@unixg.ubc.ca (Jonathan Schachter) 1 From: jon@pages.com (Jon Wright) 1 From: Jeff Shaevel 1 From: It might be Tom and it might be Dick and it might be Absalom--but 1 From: Ilka Heber 1 From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) 1 From: I Wouldn't Buy 2000 Clocks!!!! 1 From: era@niwot.scd.ucar.EDU 1 From: emerald@netrun.cts.com (Patrick McKinnion) 1 From: elizabeth w warwick 1 From: ecc@gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Evolution Control Committee) 1 From: Dick Locke 1 From: Deschenes nancy 1 From: climiepd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (DELBERT ( Peter Climie )) 1 From: claudia@inphobos.w.open.de (Claudia Spix) 1 From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) 1 From: atman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Maxxam's on the horizon) 1 From: anon-1280@twwells.com (Alaska) 1 From: Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca 1 From: A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk (Drew Radtke) 1 From: ("'The business of America is BITNET'--not Calvin Coolidge :-") 1 From: "Wordsmith and Wesson--For shooting from the lip :-)" 1 From: "Mr. P. Kulawec" This statistic isn't worth what it seems because there are a lot of lines starting with "From:" that aren't what I was searching, because the above adds to 3300 messages, and my Ecto.mbox file says it's 'only' 3105 messages. Somewhere 195 messages have to be subtracted. But since anyone appearing in a "From:" line within the body of a message has probably been quoted, his/her text appeared... no analysis concerning the time any person was present on ecto (i.e. late subscribers - hi Yngve!) was made, so this is due to change... Vickie (_*HUG*_), you are worth as much as more than 117 lurkers!!! What? _Me_ sharing position 12 with Woj? I don't believe I have to say that much ;-), getting all my Happy info from here... Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 10:04 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Happy Sales... > Well, as of 17 Apr, the Newbury Tower sold an Equipoise, a VI, and a VII. > (To me!) I bought Ecto, WP, and Rearm about a month and a half ago at the > Harvard Sq Tower (after searching all over for months, mind you!) and in > both places it was filed right next to the Happy Mondays... Argh! Hmmm... unusual Tower that is - no discs between 'M' like 'Mondays' and 'R' like 'Rhodes'... ;-) Sorry, Uli ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: Happy's trip to Michigan! Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 12:04:10 +1000 (EST) > > Hi All! I have just joined ECTO and GEnie (Prodigy $$ forced me to look > elsewhere)....good thing I did because I'm happy to say:) that I will have > the opportunity to drive Happy and crew from Detroit to Ann Arbor on > Saturday. Thanks again to Bob for announcing this travel dilemma they were > in! I'll post a full report this week-end. > Lynn > Hi Lynn. Welcome to ecto! Sounds as though you have a unique opportunity. Hope you have a good time doing it (as though there was any doubt) Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 21:26:56 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: bi-weekly >DATE: 29 Apr 93 14:34:55 EDT >FROM: Mike Mendelson > >Meth asserts: >> Uh, Vickie... As much as it would be quite romantic to believe >> it, I highly doubt even Chris can affect you at the molecular DNA >> level. Once bi, always bi, no matter whom you're sleeping with >> at the time. That's just the way it is. > >Um, I'm not sure how serious this is, and I'll probably regret >commenting on it, but, hey, life's too short, right? > >Since no-one else has proved it yet (to my knowledge), what support >do you have for this claim? My (this is opinion folks) take on the >whole nature/nurture thing w.r.t. sexual preference is that, yeah, >it would sure appear that some people are genetically programmed >one way or the other, *but* I have met many people who would more >easily fall into the category of "hmmmm, this might be interesting, >I think I'll try it for a bit and see." I mean, the bottom line is, >if someone (I'll use the specific e.g. of someone I know) has a >couple of lesbian relationships, after having a few heterosexual ones, >then reverts back to strict heterosexualism, and plainly states she >is *no* longer attracted to women "in that way," are you saying she's >lying through her genes? > >-mjm > First, let me preface this by saying I have never had a homosexual relationship or experience. However, I have been around gay singles and couples, in varying concentrations, since I went to college. My experience is that, for the most part, sex is fun. However, Making love transcends sex-there is really no comparison. So therefore, if you love the person you're with, that is what matters the most. It is rare to be able to have that kind of relationship with two different people at once. Oh, and there is sometimes a difference in "I am attracted to" and "I enjoy the act of" Many people who "experiment" with homosexuality and decied it not their bag aren't really attracted very strongly, and are mostly curious. Anyway, what do I know? Dennis Parslow I saw you from the cathedral Troy, NY 12180 Well, I'm an ancient heart p00421@psilink.com Tanita Tikaram ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 21:16:38 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: PG tour >DATE: Thu, 29 Apr 93 11:18:51 CST >FROM: kiri > >Anyone know if PG is going to play in the south...like Memphis maybe?? >:) :) :) >I want to try to make the July 10th in Chicago, but I think >my teaching will interfere...will have to check it out, and >then get on the phone tomorrow morning to ticketmaster :) > >Also 10k Maniacs are playing Mempho on the 14th or Birmy on the >15th.... Is this show worth seeing?? I have heard good and >bad things about them live... > >kiri >byhargie@vm.cc.olemiss.edu > 10,000 Maniacs are coming to SPAC this summer...with World Party! I have seen them (Maniacs) 4 times so far, and personally highly recommend them, although I am not as enthusiastic about this album as In My Tribe. World Party is pretty good as far as opening acts go. Dennis Parslow I saw you from the cathedral Troy, NY 12180 Well, I'm an ancient heart p00421@psilink.com Tanita Tikaram ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 04:32:24 +0200 Subject: Another day, another week. First of all, thanks for birthday greetings. They were really appreciated :-) The day was celebrated with my fellow students working at the helpdesk, on "Bagatelle", which recently got two stars in the Michelin guide as the first in Scandinavia. It was a memorable evening. Bob Brown: > If you were listening in the afternoon on Thursday what you heard > was "Murder" The afternoon DJ yesterday - Helen Leight - , is a big > Happy fan, and is probably the only DJ at wxpn who will deviate from > the "normal" Happy playlist. Ah, "Murder"... That was the first Happy song that really grabbed me. You know, "Feed the Fire" is very pretty and catchy, but the chorus of "Murder" is *really* something special. Albert: It's good to have you back contributing to the list :-) Your discussions on the theory Yngve related reminds me of the "lyrics" to "re:evolution" by The Shamen. It's really an essay read out loud by Terence McKenna with some ambient music in the background. Some of you may know him as a preacher for free sex and drugs. I don't buy it all myself, but it's intriguing to listen to. I've typed it in, but it's fairly long (the song runs for 8:30), so I'll send it in a separate message. (The single includes a live version with different lyrics, the main points are the same, though) The single actually entered the Top 20 in the UK. Hooray for the Brits! Randy: Rest assured that your description of the going-ons inside an atom was higly enjoyeds by me. Robort: I'm aware that Happy isn't a lurker. I just stated I didn't want her to become one either :-) (giving her choice articles is OK though, since they won't be mine ;-) woj: $27 for a concert ticket is cheap cheap cheap :-) Uli: I have a Jiffy-bag sent from the US contaning a CD next to me. Postage: $3.67. Not unreasonable given the general low prices in the US. Interesting (?) statistics: Norway has the most expensive BigMac's in the world, but the time an employee has to work to afford buying one is the shortest (less than half an hour). > |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | > |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | > |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | > > [note exciting, new, experimental .sig quote. questions? comments? intense > personal experiences? (just so y'all, now, you should all rush out and > by Neneh Cherry's _Homebrew_, which is brilliant)] AGREED! I think it is sad that it is Ice-T, Ice-cube and so on who represent the black youth - I don't see segregation doing anything constructive. I really wish a song like "Ain't gone under yet" could get more attention... [...] The city's my home, the streets where I roam - but still I leave the drugs & the violence alone [...] I don't steal, I don't run tricks or scams 'cause I'm a strong young woman and I know who I am, but sometimes it is hard to get by - tough circumstances make me want to get high, but I don't go too far 'cause that ain't my style. So - why don't you come live next to me for a while. (Yes, I know, I've never been to the US so I shouldn't really speak my mind on this issue) Kjetil T. PS. I tried to come up with a Neneh quote as a signature, but her stories need so much context. She doesn't have the quirky sentences Happy has which are made for using as quotes. ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 04:37:27 +0200 Subject: re:evolution As promised, the lyrics to The Shamen's "re:evolution", written and performed by Terence McKenna. It's quite a read. I find it especially interesting near the end, where he gives his view of the house/rave culture in the context of the looming apocalypse. Enjoy. Human history represents such a radical break with the natural systems of biological organisation that preceded it that it must be the response to a kind of attractor or dwell-point that lies ahead of us in the temporal dimension. Persistently Western religions have integrated into their theologies the notion of a kind of end of the world. And I think that a lot of psychedelic experimentation sort of confirms this intuition. I mean it isn't going to happen according to any of the scenarios of orthodox religion, but the basic intuition that the Universe seeks closure in a kind of omega point of transcendence is confirmed. It's almost as though this object in hyperspace, glittering in hyperspace, throws off reflections of itself, which actually ricochet into the past, illuminating this mystic, inspiring that saint or visionary, and that out of these fragmentary glimpses of eternity we can build a kind of a map of not only the past Universe and the evolutionary ingression into the novelty, but a kind of map of the future. This is what shamanism has always been about. A shaman is someone who has been to the end. It is someone who knows how the world really works, and knowing how the world really works means to have risen outside, above, beyond the dimensions of ordinary spacetime and casuistry and actually seen the wiring under the board: Stepped outside the confines of learned culture and learned and embedded language into the domain of what Wittgenstein called the Unspeakable, the transcendental presence of the other, which can be sectioned in various ways to yield systems of knowledge which can be brought back into the ordinary social space for the good of the community. So in the context of 90% of human culture, the shaman has been the agent of evolution, because the shaman learns techniques to go between ordinary reality and the domain of ideas: This higher dimensional continuum that is somehow parallel to us, available to us and yet ordinarily occluded to us by cultural convention out of fear of the mystery, I believe, and what the shamans are, are people who have been able to de-condition themselves from the community's instinctual distrust of the mystery, and go into this bewildering dimension, and gain knowledge, recover the jewel lost at the beginning of time, save souls, cure, commune with the ancestors and so forth and so on. Shamanism is not a religion - it's a set of techniques, and the principle technique is the use of psychedelic plants. What psychedelics do is they dissolve boundaries; and in the presence of dissolved boundaries one cannot continue to close one's eyes to the ruination of the Earth, the poisoning of the seas and the consequences of two thousand years of unchallenged dominator culture, based on monotheism, hatred of nature, suppression of the female and so forth and so on. So, what shamans have to do is act as exemplars by making this cosmic journey to the domain of the Gaian ideas, and then bringing them back in the form of art, to the struggle to save the world. The planet has a kind of intelligence, that it can actually open a channel of communication with an individual human being. The message that nature sends is transform your language through a synergy between electronic culture and the psychedelic imagination; a synergy between dance and idea; a synergy between understanding and intuition, and dissolve the boundaries which your culture has sanctioned between you. Become part of this Gaian supermind. I mean I think isn't fairly profound, it's fairly apocalyptic. History is ending, I mean we are to be the generation that witnesses the revelation of the purpose of the cosmos. History is the shock wave of the eschaton. History is the shock wave of eschatology. And what this means for those of us who will live through this transition into hyperspace is that we will be privileged to see the greatest release of compressed change probably since the birth of the Universe. The twentieth century is the shudder that announces the approaching cataracts of time over which our species and the destiny of this planet is about to be swept. "If the truth can be told so as to be understood it *will* be believed." The emphasis in house music and rave culture on physiologically compatible rhythms, and this sort of thing, is really the re-discovery of the art of natural magic with sound. That sound, properly understood, especially percussive sound, can actually change neurological states, and large groups of people getting together in the presence of this kind of music are creating a telepathic community, a bonding, that hopefully will be strong enough to carry the vision out into the main stream of society. I think the youth culture that is emerging in the nineties is an end of the millenium culture that is actually summing up Western civilisation, and pointing us in an entirely different direction; that we are going to arrive in the third millenium in the middle of an archaic revival, which will mean a revival of those physiologically empowering rhythm signatures, a new art, a new social vision, a new relationship to nature, to feminism, to ego - all of these things are taking hold, and not a moment to soon. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 23:23:47 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: bi-weekly > But the real test here is how Vickie perceives herself. I'm a human being... Vickie ps, ...usually. Ask me when my depression flares up and you'd get a very different answer...:-) ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 05:58:44 +0200 Subject: Happyvengalising, at last I mentioned that I had uploaded the song Ecto to sounds.sdsu.edu a week ago. Well, it's still in /incoming, but people have taken notice of it here. It's funny how novel things seem when they come from a computer. People will listen interestedly to the music coming from the computer - it's unlikely they would have bothered to take me up on the offer to listen to a Happy record in my headphones :-) Likewise, any inane MPEG movie file will be viewed, like a bus crawling past a fence (due to the low framerate :-) [*1]. So that's the incentive. Of course, when people hear that incredibly catchy riff, it must do an impression. I have had nothing but positive responses to it. The next step will be to make them buy her records. I think I'll sample a song from Warpaint [*2], too, but I'm not sure which to choose (I only have so much disc space). Also, there are now at least 4 subscribers to fa.music.ecto (this list) here in Oslo. Welcome, whomever you are! Kjetil T [*1] Guess who would love a MPEG gile of an eventual Happy video :) [*2] I'll order Equipoise any day now. Ahem. I need to do something about my procrastination. ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Happyvengalising, at last Date: Fri, 30 Apr 93 00:40:34 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Kjetil wrote: >[*2] I'll order Equipoise any day now. Ahem. I need to do something >about my procrastination. Trust me, it can wait... Jeff ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)