Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #536 ecto, Number 536 Friday, 23 April 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Hava Happa Harry! Since last time... (9kB - whoa!) Re: ecto #535 Re: brni And a Gun Gabriel's concert in Stuttgart Today's your birthday friend.... Peter Gabriel in Frankfurt ======================================================================== From: katefans@chinet.com (Chris Williams) Subject: Hava Happa Harry! Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 23:39:14 -0500 (CDT) HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Harry Foster!! HARRY BIRTHDAY to Happy Foster!! FOSTER HAPPY to Harry Birthday!! BIRTHDAY HARRY to Foster Happy!! Brain Malfunction *Warning* Brain Malfunction *Warning* Brain Malfunction An Ecto a Day keeps the Monsters Away. Away Monsters the keeps Day a Ecto An. A Rutgers A Way keeps the Telnet A Day. The ways Away from The Clays Maray. The Spain in Rain Stays Plainly in the Maine. Banga Goes another Kanga. Susie Sells Seashells by the Seashore. Mitch Mitches Makeup Matches. Brni (*HUG*) Brns Bmshls Btflly. Words Weren't Made For Flutterbys Gutter- flys The Frog was a Prince the Prince was a Brick the Brick was an Egg the Egg was A Bird Mum to Mud to Mad to Dad Dad Diddly Office Hadn't you heard? Oh never mind my mind. :-) Vickie ps, Contrary to the above, I'm ok (*honest*), it's just that I'm going a bit stir crazy, banished back to Chinetland temporarily. I'll answer e-mail & stuff as soon as I can get back to njin. *Don't* mail me here. Once Telnet is back up, I probably won't check Chinet again for 6 months. HAVE FUN IN WASHINGTON!! Someone wear a triangle for me (once upon a time I was bi, then I met this really nice person who just happened to be male, and we became life partners. The end.) I too, will be there in ecto... *HUGS* to all (especially Brni & Yngve) and to all a good night... ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 07:48:48 +0200 Subject: Since last time... (9kB - whoa!) I'm no longer on the ecto list. Instead, I read ecto in the newsgroup fa.music.ecto, which I believe is distributed to all of Norway (yay!). Yngve, can you confirm that you can read it in Tromsoe? The reason for the change is that the mailspool filled up during Easter, and the admins think it's easier to purge news than mail in case of an emergency. Getting your messages in my mailbox gives a more direct feeling, and I think my relationship to gaffa would've been different if I subscribed to love-hounds instead. However, with you lot, that can never happen here :-) Boy, do I have a backlog of things to comment upon. The oldest is a message from Al Sodoma from December 18th (did I hear a unison "uh-oh"? :-) In that letter, Al mentioned Phish. I just want to second that they are very capable artists, and if you like jazz/bluegrass, you should definitely check them out. It doesn't quite click for me, though. I don't know, perhaps too little experimentation for my tastes :-) Or perhaps the tapes I got were ill-chosen. Next up is Mitch, which mentioned Laurie Freelove's "Smells like Truth". I bought the CD second-hand (my first!), and I've listened to it once or twice. Unimpressed, I guess you can say. Hmm, I just noticed that she is mentioned in the first letter I saved from Ecto back in June; Vickie's personal message to Albert which went to the list (and I'm glad it did :-). I guess I'll need to have another listen... Mary Lou: "My God, how it pumps!" Yes, that "Le Myst`ere des Voix Bulgares" CD is a gem :-) I have the Volume 2, as well - I guess each to its occasion. Vickie mentioned "Polegnala E Todora" from Vol.1. Is that the album to go for next? Usually, I'd just listen to it in the shop, but it's very hard to get any impression of such music there and then. I never told you of the "LMdVB" concert I attended a month ago! *smack forehead* It was held in Trefoldighetskirken (Church of Trinity), one of the larger in Oslo, seating ~1200 people. Conveniently, I live 50 metres away, and didn't think I'd have to hurry. When I stepped out into the street, I was in for a shock: The queue in front of the church entrance was 100 metres long! And I had expected maybe a couple of hundred people... Needless to say, the church was packed! The audience was very varied, yuppies, rentner (what are they called in English?), skinheads - in short people from all of society. The mood was great, enthusiastic applause after each song, and did they deserve it. Especially one song stands out in my memory: The choir split into groups of one(!) or two, each singing their part in disharmony. The control! The dynamics! The beauty! Simply in-cred-i-ble! They were brought back for two encores, and the (female) conductor was visibly touched. I think it is the first time I've been to a church concert which lasts until a quarter past eleven. If you have the chance, go see them! Kiri: There's no need to bad-mouth Andreas Vollenweider. For one, I like him very much. That said, I doubt Happy doing vocals for him would help her career much, despite examples to the contrary, eg. Niki Harris (Madonna) (well, I hope she'll be even more successful ;-) and Maggie Reilly (Mike Oldfield). Regarding singles (wow, only 5 weeks behind now :-), I used to be of the opinion that they are a waste of time. And some artist's singles are, like Suzanne Vega's. I want real remixes (Kate's doesn't count, for example) or new songs. For instance I love the "Gush forth my tears"-single by Miranda Sex Garden (thanks again, Neile!). Their "Play"-single on the other hand, is of course wonderful (simply amazing), but disappointingly, all the tracks are on the CD proper as well. Singles are USD 8.50 and CDs USD 23.00 on my parts. Looking at the bright side: I would never have heard the seamless segue between Play and the Inferno-remix hadn't it been for the single, so I guess it is really worth it after all. It really could be one song, I didn't even realize that Inferno is instrumental until after repeated listenings. Does anyone else think this could be called "feminine grunge"? (or perhaps rather female than feminine :-) HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Joe Zitt, it was really refreshing to see names like Martika and Mariah Carey mentioned on this list. Anthony, if you haven't heard "Land of Rape and Honey" by Ministry, reserve your judgment until then :-) I don't care much for the thrash (note the 'h') they are making now, either. Happy's post: I hope she doesn't become a lurker. That happened on the Sugarcubes list (no not Happy, silly, but mr. E started subscribing), and I think that contributes to the low (non-existant) volume there. Kristi (so weird to type that, you have a namesake in one of my (3) sisters...) It's all nice and well that non-heteros get their rights, but I think it is unfair to say that you don't have an open mind if you haven't tried dating MOTSS. (apropos, a law was recently passed here in Norway so that homosexual couples can get the rights of a couple married in church, except no adoption. Why hetero couples can't get the same rights is beyond me :-( Steve VanDevender: I've recently got Linux at home, too! The machine is tentatively called "quelle", but I'd love to call it something Happy-related. Just plain "happy" doesn't really cut it - too normal :-) Angelos: Are Einst"urzende Neubauten and Miranda Sex Garden really playing at the same concert? Ach! How much is the air fare to Boston? ;-) Mike Matthews: Yes, we *have* to be careful how we _emphasize_ things... I went to the Peter Gabriel concert here last week. I figured I'd regret it if I didn't, despite I'm no big Peter Gabriel fan. Witness: I hadn't heard "Games without frontiers", "Shaking the tree" and others before the concert! It was great though! The old man really knows how to move - he's impersonated rhythm. Aftenposten (Norway's largest newspaper) called it "total art", and I tend to agree: He had so many elements, video, performance, sculpture, scenography etc. His musicians are *so* good, too! I was especially impressed by the keyboard player, Joanna Stewart (?). She did an amazing job on the wailing in "In your Eyes". Wow! He ended with "Biko", which is perfect for the purpose. You can't really shout out "We want more! ..." after such a strong song. Karl: What was he like in Stuttgart? (I still agree with Woj's opinion on US, but they all work better with some visual accompaniment. Without MTV or similar, that's a catch for me...) Woj, thanks for the recommendations for finfolk. I'll add it to my already too-long list... For what it's worth, "Hedningarna" is Swedish for "The Heathens". The Finnish I'll leave to the Finnish... Brni: You did the right thing! Stay cool, but trying to keep it a secret from your parents will do no good, I think. Jeffy: Listening to "Me and a Gun" after reading Vickie's posts was quite special to me... I never thought much of the song before that. Onto recent acquirements: I too went out to buy a Mylene Farmer album: The only one in the shelves was "L'autre" (1991). Sweet, intricate, good vocals, rhythmic. The intro to the first song reminds me a lot of Jean Michel Jarre. Unfortunately, I can't comment on her lyrics. I really need to learn French some day, Irish first though; for eccentricity value alone :-) Jan Garbarek Group has a new CD out on ECM Records, "Twelve Moons". (ECM 500, I don't think this is a coincidence :-) The group features Jan Garbarek on sax, Rainer Br"uningshaus on keys, Eberhard Weber on bass, Manu Katch'e on drums, Marilyn Mazur on percussion, Agnes Buen Garnaas and Mari Boine on vocals (not together). Always sure of themselves and stylistically impeccable, they play jazz with elements of New Age, World Music and rock. Highly recommended if you like jazz. Now I'm just waiting for the release of the music for the TV series "The search for Mangas Coloradas" (wish, wish). Speaking of music for TV series, but really totally unrelated: "Theme from Harry's Game" must be the most haunting song played during endtitles throughout history. Just thinking of it brings shivers down my spine, and I've only heard it, oh, 5-6 times... Time to get that CD, I guess. Legendary Pink Dots: I bought "Dream Weaver" (I really look forward to the guide so I know what to look out for), and have only listened to it once. Somehow I always forget to bring it with me. It sounded promising, though :) Kjetil T. PS. I've never been to a music shop where you couldn't listen to the music before you buy, except sale bins and singles, that is. My favourite store, CD Akademiet, has 10 or so CD-jukeboxes with recent stuff, and 4-5 for requests. Of course, on Saturdays, you must queue up, but you can always bring your own Discman, like I do :-) PPS. The downside to this is of course that I can't pull off stunts like Troy did... PPPS. I almost forgot! I sampled Ecto and uploaded it to sounds.sdsu.edu tonight. (Scandinavians may prefer ftp.luth.se) I played it on the loudspeaker on the IPX I was using, and the guy who sat next to me thought it was a cool song... PPPPS. I'm sorry about the comment on the childishness of PPPS. I thought I made it clear that my view of them was very subjective, based on my own abuse of them in young age :-) ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #535 From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 01:17:19 CDT Yow! brni! glad to hear you got through that nightmare ok. jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu writes: > Oops. No, Soft Cell's "Tainted Love" is quite original. Written by > Mark Almond. Nope, not quite. The original version, written by Ed Cobb, was recorded by Gloria Jones. (Better get yer facts straight, or it's into the warmroom with ye! B-]) Mitch (the rest of whose identity I just lost track of) writes: > The bottom line, mah fellow Americans :-) (cf. the collected speeches of > President Lyndon B. Johnson, a resident of Johnson City, Texas, outside of > Austin), is this: like it or lump it, Happy's not coming to Austin after all. > I think she should, as ought she likewise to sundry other geographical loca- > tions around Spaceship Earth. Aw, rats... and I was just telling a friend of mine that we >have< to see her. (He considers my tastes a bit dangerous--I dragged him to a Tori Amos concert with insufficient preparation and he's still a bit dazed.) How do I order Happy CDs from AG? What's the address and price? I have Equipoise and Warpaint, and am chomping to find the rest. "You could be an ocarina salesman going | Metatron Press | Austin, Texas! from door to door..." -- Laurie Anderson | Human Systems Performance Group ======================================================================== From: Steve Fagg Subject: Re: brni And a Gun Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 12:18:44 BST On Wed, 21 Apr 93 at 07:21:45 -0400 jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu wrote: > brni sez: > >in a net full of assholes, there is ecto. > You haven't been paying proper attention to Jorn. We're all hypocritical, > lying, cold-hearted Ecto-Creeps, buzz-bombing the innocent under the > orders of the Evil Jeffy, overlord and antichrist, forcing everyone to > conform to my way of being. > > What a shame that Jorn should say such things about Ecto. When it was first established, he was one of those who were most deeply impressed by the list's fuzzy blue qualities. I guess it shows that disillusionment can be a very powerful force. Being composed as it is of human beings (unless anybody out there is secretly an AI :-)) Ecto is not perfect, but hypocritical, lying, and cold hearted is a bit strong.Is anybody close enough to Jorn these days to know why he feels so strongly anti-Ecto? I know we can't expect to be universally liked but to see someone who was, and not so very long ago, so keen on Ecto saying such things is more than usually sad. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 15:00:04 +0200 From: Karl Dotzek Subject: Gabriel's concert in Stuttgart >>>>> On Thu, 22 Apr 1993 07:48:48 +0200, Kjetil Torgrim Homme [=K] said: K> I went to the Peter Gabriel concert here last week. I figured I'd regret K> it if I didn't, despite I'm no big Peter Gabriel fan. Witness: I hadn't K> heard "Games without frontiers", "Shaking the tree" and others before K> the concert! It was great though! The old man really knows how to move - K> he's impersonated rhythm. Aftenposten (Norway's largest newspaper) K> called it "total art", and I tend to agree: He had so many elements, K> video, performance, sculpture, scenography etc. His musicians are *so* K> good, too! I was especially impressed by the keyboard player, Joanna K> Stewart (?). She did an amazing job on the wailing in "In your Eyes". K> Wow! He ended with "Biko", which is perfect for the purpose. You can't K> really shout out "We want more! ..." after such a strong song. K> Karl: What was he like in Stuttgart? What you say about your performance also applies for the Stuttgart one. I was also impressed by the violin (et al) player: Shankar. We had Sting about ten days before Gabriel here and PG is a lot better, considered what efforts his team and he made for a brilliant show. PG most of the time wore some construction with a camera around his head to show his face on the large viseo screen and when he took it off, it enabled him to show his mouth or eyes from very close. Especially when 'Digging in the Dirt' (he moved around bowed low to the ground) that was very impressive. I think he's never stood still and is top of the art. In the end a big tent sank above the musicians, looking like Planet Earth (remember it's the Real World Tour) under which the musicianc disappeared through a secret duct. He started with Talk To Me standing in an old red English phone booth, spinning the line around him, bonding himself, then dragging the cable about eighty meters out to reach the second stage, a round platform in the middle of the hall: this way he could be closer to everyone, a very good idea. I was really impressed by all the technical stuff on the stage(s): a conveyor belt, elevator and cranes, wireless microphones and instruments - the boxes weren't at one end of the hall (where the (one) stage usually is), but hanging over the center, arranged circular, thus the sound was very good. Songs I remember: Blood of Eden, Steam, Games Without Frontiers (in a jazzy, souly version), Solesbury Hill, Sledge Hammer, In Your Eyes, San Jacinto and some more from US. Encores (only two :-)) where some slow song, I didn't know (from Birdie, I think) and finally Biko. The applause didn't stop for about ten minutes, then the lights went on, destroying a beautiful mood. I heard he had done Carpet Crawlers (and other old genesis stuff) elsewhere(?), but not in Stuttgart. :-( Nevertheless, it was a great show and one of the best concerts of 1993 for me, so far. Karl. ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:00:21 +0200 Subject: Gabriel's concert in Stuttgart I didn't want to spoil the video camera effect, and all the other fancy technical things, but here we go :-) In Oslo, he only wore that camera during Digging in the Dirt. I think that was very appropriate, it was a very "introspective" effect. I guess the venue was a bit larger in Stuttgart. He had two large LCD screens at his disposal, but these were turned off early in the show (the display was far better than the video cannon he had brought, but I guess they found it distracted attention away from the centre of the stage). The stage was not 80 metres long :-) Make that 40... It was brilliant setup, hanging the loud speakers down from the ceiling was a brilliant idea, and most of the crowd were within 10 metres of the stage, except the bozoes ;-) who preferred seats. When they played Biko, the crowd were naturally singing the Uh-uh-oooooo-uh! The band then left one by one, leaving only the drummer and the audience, and at last he rose and left, too. After 30 seconds, the Uh-uh-ooooooo-uh! turned into applause, and after a couple of minutes, just as the lights were being turned on, they appeared once more, and Peter presented the musicians once more. Then they departed for good. Very decent, indeed. BTW. The opening act (some Real World duo, can't remember their names) really failed to ignite the audience. After they left, there were even *further* delays, during which The Sensual World was played. Yay! It really put _me_ in the right mood, at least. Kjetil T. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 18:11:01 +0200 From: Karl Dotzek Subject: Gabriel's concert in Stuttgart Peter Gabriel played in the Schleyerhalle, the largest one in the area. For larger sites you would have to go to Munich or Frankfurt (or in stadiums), I guess. Before the concert we saw people looking for tickets, so I assume it was sold out. The Schleyerhalle can comprise about 14.000 people - I'm not sure how much they had to subtract for the center stage and the tunnel, but I assume it were >10.000 in the end. Maybe not *that* much, when you compare it to acts filling soccer stadiums (50.000 and up), but still damn loud! The opening act had the same difficulties here. Perhaps it was chosen a little weak, so not to steal PG the show? In the twenty five minutes inbetween, they played Massive. I wonder, if PG is responsible for the introductory/pause/end music? BTW, I remember it better now, after you've said it: after "Biko", they all came up on stage once more, bowing to the audience. Thenthey left the (central) stage, standing close together on the elevator platform and moved downwards under thundering applause. Very cool! The tent stayed above this time. After *that* it took about ten minutes until the lights went on and roadies started ordering people away. Maybe that was the span until PG decided to not come up anymore? Quite long, I think! Karl /Karl Dotzek/ -- voicephone +49-711-1211386 -- fax +49-711-1211366 -------- /Institut fuer Maschinelle Sprachverarbeitung/ (IMS) /Azenbergstrasse 12/ (des isch abr bloss frd schnegga-pooschd-adress) /7000 Stuttgart 1/ (email: karl@ims.uni-stuttgart.de) ------ Communication is everything / everything is communication -------- ======================================================================== Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:38:21 GMT i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* *** Angelos Kyrlidis ** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Pablo Iglesias Thu April 23 1964 Positive Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Gray Abbott Tue May 3 1955 Suprised Mark Semich Thu May 6 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 7 1952 Rumple Brian Gregory Thu May 9 1963 Eclectic Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Beth Perry Tue May 21 1957 Glad Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.w.open.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 01:24 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Peter Gabriel in Frankfurt Hi, yesterday (it's past midnight) I was at my first ever rock concert, Peter Gabriel's Frankfurt edition of his US tour. And it was great! He played most (if not all, have to check) of US and some of his greatest hits from the past (Biko, Games w/out Frontiers, Sledgehammer and others). The whole thing lasted just over two hours. Recommendation status: Go and see it! Perhaps I'll continue raving later, Uli ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)