From: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org (cranlist-digest) To: cranlist-digest@smoe.org Subject: cranlist-digest V3 #44 Reply-To: cranlist@smoe.org Sender: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk cranlist-digest Monday, March 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 044 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question ["Mekanda Robot" ] Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question ["Ralph O'Neills" ] %Cran: Cran MP3's [irisheyes ] Re: %Cran: Cran MP3's ["Ariel M. Curotto" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:11:58 +0800 From: "Mekanda Robot" Subject: Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question vegeterianism is more than eating vegestables. indian religions , like 'jainism',are the true practicers of such discipline. they believe that all living things, including plant life, have spirits. these are the same spirits elemantal to reincarnation. which is why they do not eat meat; animal produce. but there's a li'l technicality, since the only left to eat are greens, but still concider them transitory space for spirits. they do follow procedures before eating. vegestables (plant life)to eat must be a non-fruit-bearing plant. they believe seeds houses the spirits. if they do get to eat fruits, they have the obligation of not destroying its seeds. this does not stop in eating, the water they drink must be boiled. for them, it's a respectful way of banishing micro organisms, which also have spirits. This is their creed. its a tough way of living, they always pray to their god for forgiveness of any way they have distracted life's sanctity. peace, cliff .............................................. "He who looks on the pains and pleasures of all beings as he looks them in himself is a supreme person." VI-32 The Bhagavad Gita .............................................. http://espectro.com/cliff/ _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:36:15 +0100 From: "Ralph O'Neills" Subject: Re: %Cran: urgent question Hehe, very smart :) No, being vegetarians I don't think they would... Ralph O'Neills "Our treatment of animals will someday be considered barbarous. There cannot be perfect civilisation until man realises that the rights of every living creature are as sacred as his own." (Dr David Starr Jordan) > "We don't eat anything that has to be killed for us." > Paul and Linda McCartney > >would paul and linda mccartney eat something they killed themselves? > > >peace, >george kipp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:56:19 +0100 From: "Ralph O'Neills" Subject: Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question Hello, Being a vegetarian I thought it'd be nice if I answered this message. First of all: yes, if you eat plants (vegetables, etc.) you are a killer too, but if you don't eat meat or plants, what are you supposed to eat? There are some borders, and one of them is surviving. That's exactly the reason why people started to eat meat in the first place: they needed they vitamines and minerals (and whatever more can be found) in meat. Things have changed. Due to all kinds of inventions it's not longer necessairy to eat animals. There are substitutes for meat to be found in almost every supermarket. Some people say this is not natural, but what about bio-industry: is that natural? And besides, people have a conscience and brains to construct substitutes, so what reasons are there to reject vegetarism? What I want to say: why don't you accept it that some people think different than you do? Finally: I know that this is a Cranberries-list and that was the reason to post my rewritten version of Fee Fi Fo to this list. I don't agree what you say about "stealing" the song. I didn't make any money out of it, I didn't record it, I just used it to let some people think about being a vegetarian. Nothing wrong with waking up the mind every now and then, right? Well anyway, if I offended you or anyone else by the lyrics: I apologize. I hope you (try to) understand my point of view. Thanks for your attention. Ralph O'Neills "The fate of animals is of greater importance to me than the fear of appearing ridiculous; it is indissolubly connected with the fate of men." (Emile Zola) - -----Original message----- From: Matias G. Walkoski To: AIXBiLLy@aol.com CC: dbgoyet@videotron.ca ; Mtbiker53@aol.com ; cranlist@smoe.org Date: Saturday March 11 2000 4:24 Subject: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question Hi!, I think that the fact of being a vegetarian is sometimes confused into ancient religious philosophies from east cultures (i.e India). Iīm not blaming anyone for being a vegetarian, but to consider a vegetarian as a "not murderer" is stupid. Vegetals are life beings too and they get "murdered" before we eat them, just because they donīt have a vital red juice (color only originated becuase Fe), this makes us feel be are not "killing" anything, but that just ainīt true. Sorry, but nature requires a population regulation trough a reciprocal eating. It was logic in the past that vegetals were consider as not being a life form, but itīs currently known that there can be measure a kind of "activity" trough electrodes in reaction to stimulation like water, light,wind and fire, so vegetals are not only life forms, but they do have a kind of conscious, they know when they are in danger. Anyway, this is a Cranberries list and FeeFiFo is a song about some very serious crime, shouldnīt been steal a song for a diffrenīt porpouse!!. My2Cents, Walko. >From : AIXBiLLy@aol.com >>how about the fact that linda mcartney is dead?! >> Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 03:01:41 -1300 From: "Matias G. Walkoski" Subject: [RE]Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question So, if youīre a killer too, donīt blame on others your own crime!!!. I think you didnīt read at all, that I wasnīt blaming anyone for being a vegetarian, it was pretty clear what I wanted to say, and I wonīt say it again,just reread without a predjuice what I said ,if you want to argue about being a vegan, I donīt. Re read my previous e-mail and donīt put on my mouth what I havenīt say. By the way, one of my closest friends is a VEGAN (not only vegetarian) and he has learnt with time, that itīs his own choice and that noone owns the true, and he doesnīt consider me a murderer for something thatīs completly natural, and he is a musician too, but he writes his own music. Check for BlueWaterBoy on Switzerland if you want a good emo-core band, and try not to be so closed minded. From : "Ralph O'Neills" >>Hello, >> >>Being a vegetarian I thought it'd be nice if I answered this message. >> >>First of all: yes, if you eat plants (vegetables, etc.) you are a killer >>too, but if you don't eat meat or plants, what are you supposed to eat? >>There are some borders, and one of them is surviving. That's exactly the >>reason why people started to eat meat in the first place: they needed they >>vitamines and minerals (and whatever more can be found) in meat. >>Things have changed. Due to all kinds of inventions it's not longer >>necessairy to eat animals. There are substitutes for meat to be found in >>almost every supermarket. Some people say this is not natural, but what >>about bio-industry: is that natural? And besides, people have a conscience >>and brains to construct substitutes, so what reasons are there to reject >>vegetarism? >> >>What I want to say: why don't you accept it that some people think different >>than you do? >> >>Finally: I know that this is a Cranberries-list and that was the reason to >>post my rewritten version of Fee Fi Fo to this list. I don't agree what you >>say about "stealing" the song. I didn't make any money out of it, I didn't >>record it, I just used it to let some people think about being a vegetarian. >>Nothing wrong with waking up the mind every now and then, right? >> >>Well anyway, if I offended you or anyone else by the lyrics: I apologize. >> >>I hope you (try to) understand my point of view. >> >>Thanks for your attention. >> >>Ralph O'Neills >> >>"The fate of animals is of greater importance to me than the fear of >>appearing ridiculous; it is indissolubly connected with the fate of men." >>(Emile Zola) >> >> >>-----Original message----- >>From: Matias G. Walkoski >>To: AIXBiLLy@aol.com >>CC: dbgoyet@videotron.ca ; Mtbiker53@aol.com >>; cranlist@smoe.org >>Date: Saturday March 11 2000 4:24 >>Subject: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question >> >> >>Hi!, >> I think that the fact of being a vegetarian is >>sometimes confused into ancient religious philosophies >>from east cultures (i.e India). Iīm not blaming anyone >>for being a vegetarian, but to consider a vegetarian >>as a "not murderer" is stupid. >>Vegetals are life beings too and they get "murdered" >>before we eat them, just because they donīt have a >>vital red juice (color only originated becuase Fe), >>this makes us feel be are not "killing" anything, but >>that just ainīt true. Sorry, but nature requires a >>population regulation trough a reciprocal eating. >>It was logic in the past that vegetals were consider >>as not being a life form, but itīs currently known >>that there can be measure a kind of "activity" trough >>electrodes in reaction to stimulation like water, >>light,wind and fire, so vegetals are not only life >>forms, but they do have a kind of conscious, they know >>when they are in danger. >> >>Anyway, this is a Cranberries list and FeeFiFo is a >>song about some very serious crime, shouldnīt been >>steal a song for a diffrenīt porpouse!!. >> >>My2Cents, >> Walko. >> >> >> >>>From : AIXBiLLy@aol.com >>>>how about the fact that linda mcartney is dead?! >>>> >> >> >> >> >>Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com >>Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com >> >>
================================================== Un E-Mail de: Matias G. "WALKO" Walkoski www.angelfire.com/ar/argenberries/index.html Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 03:18:43 -1300 From: "Matias G. Walkoski" Subject: [RE]Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question From : "Mekanda Robot" >>vegeterianism is more than eating vegestables. >>indian religions , like 'jainism',are the true >>practicers of such discipline. they believe that all >>living things, including plant life, have spirits. >>these are the same spirits elemantal to >>reincarnation. which is why they do not eat meat; >>they do follow procedures before eating. vegestables >>(plant life)to eat must be a non-fruit-bearing >>plant. they believe seeds houses the spirits. if >>they do get to eat fruits, they have the obligation >>of not destroying its seeds. this does not stop in >>eating, the water they drink must be boiled. for >>organisms, which also have spirits. This is their >> That procedure is supoused to be practicised by christians before eating. Itīs supoused to be bless the lord for todays food. >>peace, >> >>cliff >> >> >>.............................................. >> >>"He who looks on the pains and pleasures >> of all beings as he looks them in himself >> is a supreme person." >> >> VI-32 >> The Bhagavad Gita >> >>.............................................. >> >> http://espectro.com/cliff/ >>_____________________________________ >> >>Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com >>
================================================== Un E-Mail de: Matias G. "WALKO" Walkoski www.angelfire.com/ar/argenberries/index.html Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:37:22 +0100 From: "Ralph O'Neills" Subject: Re: [RE]Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question Ok, there obviously is a misunderstanding going on here. My best friends are non-vegetarians and I accept that. Just as your friend said: there is no truth, life is just about making your own decisions. I chose to be a vegetarian, you (and a lot of other people) chose not to do so. I accept and even respect that. What I wanted to achieve with my response is understanding from the non-veggie-people. It wasn't directed to you alone, but to everyone on the list. I'm not blaming you for being a non-veggie, I just thought you didn't understand why I am one. I've reread both your and my message, and I can't find anything non-true I said what you said. Next: I write my own music too, and if I'd ever play a song on stage I'd use my own music or a cover without such a major-redo of the lyrics. I know the song is about a serious crime, and I never wanted to say that child-porn is a good thing, or anything even near that. Suppose I would redo the lyrics of "I Just Shot John Lennon" into "I Just Ate A Lemon", would that mean I hate John Lennon? (actually I love both John Lennon and lemons :)) I wrote the lyrics to present my subject in a way that's nice for Cranfans, and in a way that's supposed to be a bit humorous. Fortunately most people liked it, and unfortunately you (and probably some more people who haven't got the guts to speak their minds) don't. Again: I'm sorry about that. Finally: If I said anything else that made you think I tried to put you in a bad light or offended or hurt you: I am very sorry. That's not what I wanted to do. Maybe it's my limited knowledge of the English language, maybe it's just the fact that you can't see my face when I "speak" to you, but I think you misunderstood what I wanted to say. I hope you don't hate me for what I've said and done. I hope you will still respect me and take me seriously, just as I will keep doing to you. Peace and a handshake, Ralph "All you need is love" (Lennon/McCartney) - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Matias G. Walkoski Aan: info@noviomagum.com CC: dbgoyet@videotron.ca ; Mtbiker53@aol.com ; cranlist@smoe.org Datum: zondag 12 maart 2000 17:07 Onderwerp: [RE]Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question So, if youīre a killer too, donīt blame on others your own crime!!!. I think you didnīt read at all, that I wasnīt blaming anyone for being a vegetarian, it was pretty clear what I wanted to say, and I wonīt say it again,just reread without a predjuice what I said ,if you want to argue about being a vegan, I donīt. Re read my previous e-mail and donīt put on my mouth what I havenīt say. By the way, one of my closest friends is a VEGAN (not only vegetarian) and he has learnt with time, that itīs his own choice and that noone owns the true, and he doesnīt consider me a murderer for something thatīs completly natural, and he is a musician too, but he writes his own music. Check for BlueWaterBoy on Switzerland if you want a good emo-core band, and try not to be so closed minded. >From : "Ralph O'Neills" >>Hello, >> >>Being a vegetarian I thought it'd be nice if I answered this message. >> >>First of all: yes, if you eat plants (vegetables, etc.) you are a killer >>too, but if you don't eat meat or plants, what are you supposed to eat? >>There are some borders, and one of them is surviving. That's exactly the >>reason why people started to eat meat in the first place: they needed they >>vitamines and minerals (and whatever more can be found) in meat. >>Things have changed. Due to all kinds of inventions it's not longer >>necessairy to eat animals. There are substitutes for meat to be found in >>almost every supermarket. Some people say this is not natural, but what >>about bio-industry: is that natural? And besides, people have a conscience >>and brains to construct substitutes, so what reasons are there to reject >>vegetarism? >> >>What I want to say: why don't you accept it that some people think different >>than you do? >> >>Finally: I know that this is a Cranberries-list and that was the reason to >>post my rewritten version of Fee Fi Fo to this list. I don't agree what you >>say about "stealing" the song. I didn't make any money out of it, I didn't >>record it, I just used it to let some people think about being a vegetarian. >>Nothing wrong with waking up the mind every now and then, right? >> >>Well anyway, if I offended you or anyone else by the lyrics: I apologize. >> >>I hope you (try to) understand my point of view. >> >>Thanks for your attention. >> >>Ralph O'Neills >> >>"The fate of animals is of greater importance to me than the fear of >>appearing ridiculous; it is indissolubly connected with the fate of men." >>(Emile Zola) >> >> >>-----Original message----- >>From: Matias G. Walkoski >>To: AIXBiLLy@aol.com >>CC: dbgoyet@videotron.ca ; Mtbiker53@aol.com >>; cranlist@smoe.org >>Date: Saturday March 11 2000 4:24 >>Subject: [RE]Re: %Cran: urgent question >> >> >>Hi!, >> I think that the fact of being a vegetarian is >>sometimes confused into ancient religious philosophies >>from east cultures (i.e India). Iīm not blaming anyone >>for being a vegetarian, but to consider a vegetarian >>as a "not murderer" is stupid. >>Vegetals are life beings too and they get "murdered" >>before we eat them, just because they donīt have a >>vital red juice (color only originated becuase Fe), >>this makes us feel be are not "killing" anything, but >>that just ainīt true. Sorry, but nature requires a >>population regulation trough a reciprocal eating. >>It was logic in the past that vegetals were consider >>as not being a life form, but itīs currently known >>that there can be measure a kind of "activity" trough >>electrodes in reaction to stimulation like water, >>light,wind and fire, so vegetals are not only life >>forms, but they do have a kind of conscious, they know >>when they are in danger. >> >>Anyway, this is a Cranberries list and FeeFiFo is a >>song about some very serious crime, shouldnīt been >>steal a song for a diffrenīt porpouse!!. >> >>My2Cents, >> Walko. >> >> >> >>>From : AIXBiLLy@aol.com >>>>how about the fact that linda mcartney is dead?! >>>> >> >> >> >> >>Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com >>Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com >> >>
================================================== Un E-Mail de: Matias G. "WALKO" Walkoski www.angelfire.com/ar/argenberries/index.html Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 00 10:04:48 MST From: irisheyes Subject: %Cran: Cran MP3's Can someone tell me where I can find the following cranberries MP3's: Carousel.mp3 InTheGehtto.mp3 Thanx!!! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 00 10:09:39 MST From: irisheyes Subject: %Cran: Cran MP3's Can someone tell me where I can find the following cranberries MP3's: Carousel.mp3 InTheGhetto.mp3 Thanks!!! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:38:11 -0300 From: "Ariel M. Curotto" Subject: Re: %Cran: Cran MP3's Hi, I'm Ariel, the webmaster of cranberries Argentina, Please visit the site!!! http://www.cranberries.com.ar Thanks a lot. ------------------------------ End of cranlist-digest V3 #44 *****************************