From: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org (cranlist-digest) To: cranlist-digest@smoe.org Subject: cranlist-digest V3 #8 Reply-To: cranlist@smoe.org Sender: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk cranlist-digest Monday, January 17 2000 Volume 03 : Number 008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- %Cran: Curtis was the real one, so apologies for a formely e-mail sent by me! ["Matias G. Walkoski" ] Re: %Cran: Comments about the Cranberries [cen23173 Subject: %Cran: Curtis was the real one, so apologies for a formely e-mail sent by me! Hi Curtis!, Iīm very sorry about my e-mail to the list. It was just that I doubt it were you because of the great change on your thoughts and also this new e-mail address, but anyway is great that you liked finally the BTH album.This, connected with your specific requirements made me send that warning e-mail. I think about BTH, that itīs great that it kinda doesnīt have big hits and also sometimes sounds a bit folkish styled (wich is good for me). So when people speaks about BTH, being just an album thinking on selling big hits and that TCB doesnīt like music anymore, I really doubt they have listen carefuly to that album. This are some of the comments today at the cranlist, and is sad to see old fans go away, so is good to know of you returning to the list. By the way, why didnīt you mentioned Foo Fighters on your e-mail? Ok, apologies again, and also a petition: Please update your site and tune it up like in the old days!, take care, Matias G.Walkoski a.k.a "WALKO" PS: this is a copy of the e-mail sent to Curtis - --- ARGENBERRIES WEBPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/argenberries/ On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:19:56 C Patterson wrote: > >I used the crandood6@yahoo.com email addy because I use that for junk mail >and mailing lists. > >My website mentions that i don't really like the new CD's, but that was a >while ago... it took a while for me to like BTH, I really do like those >songs that I mentioned in the email to cranlist. They grew on me! its >pretty amazing to me. > > > > >Curtis Patterson >clp2@ualberta.ca > > ================================================== Un E-Mail de: Matias G. "WALKO" Walkoski www.angelfire.com/ar/argenberries/index.html Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:13:16 EST From: LittleHoss@aol.com Subject: %Cran: Thoughts on BTH I have to agree with those of you who feel the BTH leaves quite a bit to be desired. It has indeed grown on me but its failed to captivate me like previous albums. It does have a few gems, such as JMI, Saving Grace, and Animal instinct and I do enjoy some of the other songs but overall, the album simply doesn't seem as solid as their first two. I will say that I think its an improvement in some ways over TTFD which I feel was a major stepping stone for the band. In looking at their layout for the cover design on BTH its seems fairly obvious to me that the band is interested in reinventing themselves. Not only visually but musically as well. Much like U2 has done. I tend to feel that they're still trying to "find" themselves and taking us along for the ride. - -Little ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:24:22 GMT+1 From: Yannick Subject: %Cran: Website updated This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --=_NextPart_Caramail_002187948042263_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all !! I know it's been a long time since i post a message there. I updated my website : 21, Cranberries Street 1) news 2) changing section Group See you ianic - cranberries@altern.org _______________________________________________________ Vendez tout... aux ench=e8res - http://www.caraplazza.com - --=_NextPart_Caramail_002187948042263_ID-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:54:02 -0600 From: cen23173 Subject: Re: %Cran: Comments about the Cranberries > I have to agree with quite a few of the things that have been said. I > still think that the first two Cranberries albums are among my favorites of > all time. When TTFD came out, I wasn't very fond of it, but repeated > listening made me enjoy it. I had a copy of BTH about a week before it was > released, and I liked it ok, but nothing really captured me. > > Where I found I once was interested in the lyrics and the sheer beauty of > the songs, now I find myself pretty indifferent to the Cranberries. It's > not that I don't like them, but they just don't have the power over me they > did before. I remember listening to NNTA over and over, singing > along. With BTH, I barely noticed the CD was done. After a few weeks, I > even quit carrying the CD around with me. > > Dolores's lyrics have changed, and I have to agree with Little that the old > ones were better. When Dolores wrote those songs, she still had some of > her idealism and naivete. As the Cranberries grew in popularity and fame, > she lost those. Where there was once a dreamer, now we have a harsh > realist, whose flowing lyrics have changed to sharp criticism. I even feel > that the melody that used to pervade Cranberries songs has been driven to > the back in the search for power chords and musical gimmicks. Where is the > power of a song like "Yesterday's Gone?" Where is the emotion? I suggest > it's gone. > > I still like the Cranberries, but not as much as I used to. We all change, > and I suppose Dolores and I have gone in different directions. I hope that > maybe one day that spark is rekindled. > > Greg I think a lot of you have missed the point. The Cranberries have said in every single interview they have done since before the album came out that BTH was their "light-hearted", "quirky", and "humorous" album. In other words, most of the songs/lyrics are not supposed to be taken seriously. Dolores said in one interview that on most days in the studio, she and the producer couldn't finish a song because they'd just start cracking up since the lyrics were so silly. They also said that they were experimenting with the style of their earlier stuff. If you listen to "Uncertain", "Chrome Paint", "A Fast One", or "Like You Used To" you'll find several similarities with BTH. Another factor is that this album was recorded in the summer in very relaxing environments, so the setting wasn't as intense. The Cranberries have NOT gone through metamorphasis, they've just broken through another barrier as they do with every new album (I'll bet you that a lot of the fans of the first album were disappointed with No Need To Argue when it came out.) You people act like we've lost all hope because they didn't plagorize NNTA. You talk like the Cranberries have sold out, which is the exact opposite of what they've done. THE CRANBERRIES CONTINUE TO BREAK THROUGH EVERY STANDARD OR STEREOTYPE THAT ANYONE SETS FOR THEM, CRITIC OR FAN. Actually I think several of the songs/b-sides on this album are some of their best works yet: Sorry Son, Paparazzi on Mopeds, Promises, Such A Shame, You And Me... For those still looking for a more intense and serious album, I definately think the next one will be. I'm excited because my two favorite albums (NNTA and TTFD) were written on the road, just as the next one will have been. Ashley ------------------------------ End of cranlist-digest V3 #8 ****************************