From: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org (cranlist-digest) To: cranlist-digest@smoe.org Subject: cranlist-digest V2 #292 Reply-To: cranlist@smoe.org Sender: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk cranlist-digest Saturday, December 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 292 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow [Suzanne Aston ] Re: %Cran: Such a Shame (again) ["Linda Andersson" ] Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow ["Frederik Bovendeerd" ] [RE]Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow ["Matias G. Walkoski" ] [RE]Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow ["Matias G. Walkoski" Subject: Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow > By the way, I saw today on Much Music Argentina that > Childrenīs Promise video. Itīs weird seeing Dolores > and the Spice Girls on the same video, but itīs > only rock and roll (where do the spice suit on that?) > Itīs for me a bizarre experiment from Universal, > but it seems is for a benefic cause, so letīs > be it all for the cause. Oops, I see that it already has been discussed!! Sorry about all that then. Anyway, again it's me the lurker doing yet another email tonight to let you know that I shall be coming up with a list of Cran items for sale - due to lack of funds and lack of enthusiasm. I know I had sent out a short list before, and I apologise for not getting back to those who had contacted me. You will be contacted in the next couple of days!! Take care everyone, Suzy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:05:27 +0100 From: Seemann-Hofheim@t-online.de (seemann) Subject: Re: %Cran: a bit of a disappointment + only rock and roll Suzanne Aston schrieb: > > Hello everyone, > > As a celebration over finally finishing my last essay and tests for the > holiday > break, I went off to HMV for some Christmas shopping. I of course, passed by > the Cranberries section, and saw to my joy the "just my imagination" single. > Without even listening first to it, I bought it for the bside Such a Shame (I > was quite disappointed that there was yet *another* Zombie live). I brought > it > home listened patiently through JMI and GBWY and then when Such a Shame came > on...I listened to a minute and a half, and I turned it off. > > I don't know how anyone else feels, but that was the worst song I've ever > heard > by the Cranberries. I found the lyrics just so terrible they were > unlistenable. I switched it to Zombie, and found that it was a relatively > mediocre version of it. My complete and utter disappointment is driving me to > take it back to HMV tomorrow. > > I know this is a list for fans where we are supposed to mostly discuss how > much > we like them, but that one and a half minutes or whatever was a life changing > experience for me. There has never been a Cranberries song that I have > disliked as much as that! > I must agree with you that the lyrics of SAS are really rude. But they actually do fit to the Cranberries or better Dolore`s other songs as she always felt free to express exactly what she feels. I also was kind of shocked when I first listened to SAS but I appreciate it that Dolores doesn`t hide any feelings she lets us take part at all sides if her life, not only the happy ones. I guess that everyone of us sometimes feels kind of hatred for someone else who really bothers us. When I listened twice to the song, I decided to record it on a tape and sent it to a person who really deservs to listen to it. SAS exactly expresses what I feel for this person. This might sound crude but in my opinion Dolores succeeds in presenting a human`s feelings in all their variety! I`m happy that she doesn`t hide her feelings to her fans. Julia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:54:10 -0500 From: Brett Subject: Re: %Cran: a bit of a disappointment + only rock and roll At 00:03 12/10/99 -0500, Suzanne Aston wrote: >I don't know how anyone else feels, but that was the worst song I've ever >heard >by the Cranberries. I found the lyrics just so terrible they were >unlistenable. I switched it to Zombie, and found that it was a relatively >mediocre version of it. My complete and utter disappointment is driving me to >take it back to HMV tomorrow. > >I know this is a list for fans where we are supposed to mostly discuss how >much >we like them, but that one and a half minutes or whatever was a life changing >experience for me. There has never been a Cranberries song that I have >disliked as much as that! I know what you mean... I think the lyrics for Such a Shame are incredibly bad. I could do a better job while I was sleeping. ;) I do like the music, but the lyrics could go. Maybe they should do some more instrumentals like Intermission, although that one isn't spectacular either. There are some great instrumentals on the new NIN CD, but maybe that's just because I like NIN more than the Cranberries right now. It's a shame that Such a Shame sucks, but of course, that's just my opinion. But enough of my ranting too, now it's time to listen to La Mer... - -Brett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:23:20 CET From: "Linda Andersson" Subject: %Cran: Re: a bit of disappointment+only rock and roll Hey you all! I really have to say that I really, really like SAS! I think it's a great song... So the lyrics are kind of angry (?), but as Suzanne said: It really does fit the Cranberries! Expressions of true emotions... I'm just really curious who that song's about! He he! // Linda From: Seemann-Hofheim@t-online.de (seemann) To: cranlist@smoe.org Subject: Re: %Cran: a bit of a disappointment + only rock and roll Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:05:27 +0100 Suzanne Aston schrieb: > > Hello everyone, > > As a celebration over finally finishing my last essay and tests for the > holiday > break, I went off to HMV for some Christmas shopping. I of course, passed by > the Cranberries section, and saw to my joy the "just my imagination" single. > Without even listening first to it, I bought it for the bside Such a Shame (I > was quite disappointed that there was yet *another* Zombie live). I brought > it > home listened patiently through JMI and GBWY and then when Such a Shame came > on...I listened to a minute and a half, and I turned it off. > > I don't know how anyone else feels, but that was the worst song I've ever > heard > by the Cranberries. I found the lyrics just so terrible they were > unlistenable. I switched it to Zombie, and found that it was a relatively > mediocre version of it. My complete and utter disappointment is driving me to > take it back to HMV tomorrow. > > I know this is a list for fans where we are supposed to mostly discuss how > much > we like them, but that one and a half minutes or whatever was a life changing > experience for me. There has never been a Cranberries song that I have > disliked as much as that! > I must agree with you that the lyrics of SAS are really rude. But they actually do fit to the Cranberries or better Dolore`s other songs as she always felt free to express exactly what she feels. I also was kind of shocked when I first listened to SAS but I appreciate it that Dolores doesn`t hide any feelings she lets us take part at all sides if her life, not only the happy ones. I guess that everyone of us sometimes feels kind of hatred for someone else who really bothers us. When I listened twice to the song, I decided to record it on a tape and sent it to a person who really deservs to listen to it. SAS exactly expresses what I feel for this person. This might sound crude but in my opinion Dolores succeeds in presenting a human`s feelings in all their variety! I`m happy that she doesn`t hide her feelings to her fans. Julia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:40:33 +1300 From: Angela Brett Subject: Re: %Cran: a bit of a disappointment + only rock and roll Hi people. :) I agree that the lyrics of Such a Shame are really mean, and I'd never say that about someone because we're all humans and no worse than each other. However, when I first heard that song, it really made me want to laugh. My brother felt the same way and he wants the song on tape (and there aren't many songs he actually wants on tape, only weird or funny songs like that one about cows with guns.) Why? Well, it just seems really funny hearing her sing things like "I think you're awful, I think you're horrible..." in such a cheerful way. Honestly, if you didn't know English you'd think she was singing something really happy... like "I think you're awesome, I think you're terrific." I mean, the lyrics aren't funny at all and they're awful things to say... but it's just so amusing to hear someone sing such horrible insults in a nice happy voice like that. It's like talking to babies or pets... if you say it in a nice voice they think you're saying nice things about them, even if you say you hate them. Angela Brett angela@kagi.com http://un.co.nz/angela (includes my homepage, my Mac's homepage, my Mac software and ACRONYMS: A Casual Roundup Of Novelties in Your Message System.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:54:12 +1300 From: Angela Brett Subject: %Cran: Such a Shame (again) Hi again, Sorry for sending two posts within a few minutes, but I just got this post while I was sending the last one... >Hey you all! >I really have to say that I really, really like SAS! I think it's a great >song... So the lyrics are kind of angry (?), but as Suzanne said: It really >does fit the Cranberries! Expressions of true emotions... >I'm just really curious who that song's about! He he! Well, I figured the song was about the media... it seems to be about more than one person because I'm pretty sure she says 'the motherS who endured your pain,' So if there's several mothers, there must be several people... and all her other songs I can think of which criticise people are about the media. Maybe it makes the song not so bad since there's not one person who she hates heaps, it's just a group of people, and even though it's worse to say things like that about lots of people (especially people you don't even know personally) than it is to say it about one person, it's something people do all the time. People often say bad things about groups of people like lawyers and politicians, and people don't seem to mind that because I guess it's hard to tell whether they really feel that way or are just exaggerating, since they don't know the actual people they're talking about and think they can say what they like because the people they're talking about won't hear them say it and probably already know that a lot of people don't like their profession. But I'm just rambling and probably not making any sense, so bye! Listen to the songs you do like. :) Angela Brett angela@kagi.com http://un.co.nz/angela (includes my homepage, my Mac's homepage, my Mac software and ACRONYMS: A Casual Roundup Of Novelties in Your Message System.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:53:12 CET From: "Linda Andersson" Subject: Re: %Cran: Such a Shame (again) Well, it's always nice when something finally happens in this list, so I think it's great that you posted two! He he! I do agree with what you're saying about not knowing the actual person... But I really, really understand her! 'Cause reporters make me sick too... They don't know when to give up and they really do have no respect for human life sometimes... I also think that SAS's a very funny song! That's why I love it... Cheerful really! He he! It was kind of a chock when I heard that song for the first time :o) // Linda From: Angela Brett To: cranlist@smoe.org Subject: %Cran: Such a Shame (again) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:54:12 +1300 Hi again, Sorry for sending two posts within a few minutes, but I just got this post while I was sending the last one... >Hey you all! >I really have to say that I really, really like SAS! I think it's a great >song... So the lyrics are kind of angry (?), but as Suzanne said: It really >does fit the Cranberries! Expressions of true emotions... >I'm just really curious who that song's about! He he! Well, I figured the song was about the media... it seems to be about more than one person because I'm pretty sure she says 'the motherS who endured your pain,' So if there's several mothers, there must be several people... and all her other songs I can think of which criticise people are about the media. Maybe it makes the song not so bad since there's not one person who she hates heaps, it's just a group of people, and even though it's worse to say things like that about lots of people (especially people you don't even know personally) than it is to say it about one person, it's something people do all the time. People often say bad things about groups of people like lawyers and politicians, and people don't seem to mind that because I guess it's hard to tell whether they really feel that way or are just exaggerating, since they don't know the actual people they're talking about and think they can say what they like because the people they're talking about won't hear them say it and probably already know that a lot of people don't like their profession. But I'm just rambling and probably not making any sense, so bye! Listen to the songs you do like. :) Angela Brett angela@kagi.com http://un.co.nz/angela (includes my homepage, my Mac's homepage, my Mac software and ACRONYMS: A Casual Roundup Of Novelties in Your Message System.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:04:35 +0100 From: "Frederik Bovendeerd" Subject: Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow Guess what, Matias! I got your mail from 10 Dec 99, called "[RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow"... > the show is now over. And it was great. ;-) > About the video, I confirm what Paul Bowen > said. They are aparently doing a live video > but only for single You And Me . because of > this they played it twice during the concert > (and Dol explained the cowd what the plans where > about). Actually the info was not from Paul, but from me, as I receive the weekly newsletter from Mercury and the complete show will be released both on VHS as well as on DVD early next year. I think they played You And Me twice, because they messed up a bit in the first time, this is why Dolores wanted the crows to applaude just as if they had just finished another song. > a Live 2. Of course my expectations is that they > produce a complete official live show video > highlighting the best of the Loud And Clear tour. Expect just that. ;-) > By the way, I saw today on Much Music Argentina that > Childrenīs Promise video. Itīs weird seeing Dolores > and the Spice Girls on the same video, but itīs > only rock and roll (where do the spice suit on that?) I haven't seen that one yet, but I hope I will see it on MTV or VIVA, soon. Actually, there was something I saw, the end of a video with Natalie Imbruglia saying "it is only rock and roll, but I like it", or something. Is it that, you mean? > Anyway Dolores got the attention that she deserves > on the video (or perhaps I was just looking at her?) > and this could help that other people aknowledge > that the Cranberries are still here and itīs > time to calm down that teeny popers. Hehe... ;-) We will see, we will see... ;-) Take care, - Frederik +++ ICQ *3887587* +++ *Homepage at* http://www.puti.de/home +++ +++ *Cranberries Cover Gallery* +++ http://www.puti.de/crancovers +++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:28:35 +0100 From: "Matias G. Walkoski" Subject: [RE]Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow From : Suzanne Aston Hi Suzanne!, Did you try eBay for selling your stuff? I know everyone knows about eBay, but still important to remind it. About Much Music, I think they are getting thr most of the Rock audience, (at least in my country), becuase the transmission that I get from MTV is a special edition for SouthAmerika, named MTVla - region Sur. They ignored the last two videos from TCB, iīm talking about AI and JMI. Obviusly Much Music aired them. Iīm not disapointed about the berries in any way, iīm disapointed on whatīs MTV doing with music, they only care about teeny pop. You could help TCB being aired by sending e-mails to: conexion@mtv.com (write them in english if you like) I so sad about them, when they air something, they put the Salvation video or things like that, trying to create the impression that TCB havenīt realize any further work. But hereīs my hope: Because of the Itīs only Rock and Roll video, they will be forced to air that video on MTV, because of the Spice Grrls and Natalie Imbruglia (I have nothing against Natalia), so people will see something new about Dolores, and more people will ask about them. And by the way, is the first time, that Fergal talks about touring in SouthAmerika so Mtv again will have to take care about our band! About SAS, I like the song and I know is such a sarcastic song, but I donīt think we humans feel only hapiness, we have our rude moments so itīs normal that TCB also express this feelings trough their songs. Because of being not a īīnormalīī (whatever this may mean) cranberries song, is that they decided to release it as B-side. I think SAS express a Dolores taking revenge from people trying to make her feel bad, and now she faces that people and is like sheīs saying ""I know you wanted to hurt me, but here I am and you havenīt suceded, look how happy I am while your still in your crapiness"". Just my toughts, ;o) WALKO. >>> By the way, I saw today on Much Music Argentina that >>> Childrenīs Promise video. Itīs weird seeing Dolores >>> and the Spice Girls on the same video, but itīs >>> only rock and roll (where do the spice suit on that?) >>> Itīs for me a bizarre experiment from Universal, >>> but it seems is for a benefic cause, so letīs >>> be it all for the cause. >> >>Oops, I see that it already has been discussed!! Sorry about all that >>then. >> >>Anyway, again it's me the lurker doing yet another email tonight to let >>you know that I shall be coming up with a list of Cran items for sale - >>due to lack of funds and lack of enthusiasm. >> >>I know I had sent out a short list before, and I apologise for not >>getting back to those who had contacted me. You will be contacted in >>the next couple of days!! >> >>Take care everyone, >> >>Suzy >> >>
================================================== Un E-Mail de: Matias G. "WALKO" Walkoski www.angelfire.com/ar/argenberries/index.html Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:55:34 EST From: CranTrader@aol.com Subject: Re: %Cran: Re: a bit of disappointment+only rock and roll anyone who needs the MP3 of such a shame, can get it here: www.zombieguide.com/wavs/shame.mp3 - -zombieguide.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:01:04 -0600 From: "Kim Cabany" Subject: %Cran: remove remove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 02:31:42 +0100 From: "Matias G. Walkoski" Subject: [RE]Re: [RE]Re: %Cran: webcast tomorrow Hi Frederick!, some folowing considerations... >> the show is now over. >And it was great. ;-) Yep, it was amazing! >> About the video, I confirm what Paul Bowen >> said. They are aparently doing a live video >> but only for single You And Me . because of >> this they played it twice during the concert >> (and Dol explained the cowd what the plans where >> about). >Actually the info was not from Paul, but from me, as >I receive the weekly >newsletter from Mercury and the complete show will be >released both on VHS >as well as on DVD early next year. I think they >played You And Me twice, >because they messed up a bit in the first time, this >is why Dolores wanted >the crows to applaude just as if they had just >finished another song. No, I was refering exactly about what Paul said on the YAM video, because I heard the same during the concert. We both heard what Dolores said about repeating that particular song. But , of course, it wasnīt quite clear if they were to make a hole video or only for YAM. Perhaps, they do a single for YAM and a hole new live video?. Anyway, iīm also subscribed to the cranberries list from Deutschland (from Mercury), but because Iīm not subscribed to the general Mercury records newsletter, the news about the concert, came to my inbox on 8/12/1999, thatīs just in time, and is pretty unfair that they send info first to the Newsletter on Mercury and wait a couple of days to send the info for the fans, wich are subscribed to the cranberries list trough www.thecranberries.de . Itīs pretty obvious that the visitors at www.thecranberries.de are more interested in the berries than visitors at www.mercury.de But who knows what is going to happen? It is also strange to realize a single video for the media if you donīt have the corresponding single, so I guess they will do the Live2 , so this is my Xmas present! >> a Live 2. Of course my expectations is that they >> produce a complete official live show video >> highlighting the best of the Loud And Clear tour. >Expect just that. ;-) Iīll light a candle! >> By the way, I saw today on Much Music Argentina that >> Childrenīs Promise video. Itīs weird seeing Dolores >> and the Spice Girls on the same video, but itīs >> only rock and roll (where do the spice suit on that?) >I haven't seen that one yet, but I hope I will see it >on MTV or VIVA, >soon. Actually, there was something I saw, the end of >a video with Natalie >Imbruglia saying "it is only rock and roll, but I >like it", or something. >Is it that, you mean? Yeah, you saw the right video but at bad time. There are lotīs of artists in it, including Natalie Imbruglia and Keith Richards himself. Dolores is there, and there is no info about it on www.cranberries.ie , I think she probably dislikes being in such a video, but on the other way, knowing that is for benefic reasons, had probably convince her of participating. (Hope that this isnīt something that she was forced to do because of some small letters on his record contract) By the way, before the concert webcast, the two girls presented a phone interview with Dolores and also picked www.cranberries.com as they favourite official cranberries page (of the 3 that currently exists). I donīt know how cranberries.com can be anyones favourite , because currently they are by far out of date: *they donīt have a JMI video *they donīt have any new news *the fans message board is not operational. *they donīt have an e-mail address to give them feedback *they donīt have Fergal onboard! I know cranberries.com is supoused to be only for USA fans, but I think that Def Jam believes the fans in USA are not interested on what the berries do īoutsideī USA. Thatīs stupid, and is sad to see how a well designed flash web-site is abandoned.Perhaps they donīt have enough personal and are working currently in some other artists home-page? >> Anyway Dolores got the attention that she deserves >> on the video (or perhaps I was just looking at her?) >> and this could help that other people aknowledge >> that the Cranberries are still here and itīs >> time to calm down that teeny popers. >Hehe... ;-) >We will see, we will see... ;-) Well, itīs just that I donīt like that people around the world are thinking on Latin music and relating it with Ricky MArtin as well as people in europe wouldnīt like other people around the world relating his music with the Spice Girls. As MTV is world wide, they are creating this image and real musicians who make their own music are being left apart from the industry like in the old days. Punk was on the mid 70īs as a reaction to disco music and pop culture. Everything is like a circle in the music industry and we are now on the ībad sideīof that circle... Take care, Walko. ================================================== Un E-Mail de: Matias G. "WALKO" Walkoski www.angelfire.com/ar/argenberries/index.html Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com ------------------------------ End of cranlist-digest V2 #292 ******************************