From: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org (cranlist-digest) To: cranlist-digest@smoe.org Subject: cranlist-digest V1 #31 Reply-To: cranlist@smoe.org Sender: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-cranlist-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk cranlist-digest Friday, November 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 031 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: %Cran: MTV.com [asleemil@online.no] %Cran: Happy Cranberries ["Cranberry" ] %Cran: The end of the world as i know it [Francois Gibello ] %Cran: re; rem ["Kyra dosch" ] Re: %Cran: ok. "true" fans. [LittleHoss@aol.com] %Cran: Reaction on "the end of the world" ["wim peels" ] %Cran: response to ridiculous thoughts... ["Dolly Housholder" ] %Cran: NOT A DIM ONE ["Cranberry" ] %Cran: I'm right ["Cranberry" ] %Cran: %cran: REM ["Cranberry" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:05:34 +0100 From: asleemil@online.no Subject: Re: %Cran: MTV.com At 21:18 17.11.98 EST, you wrote: >Well thats it's folks. sounds really thrilling doesnt it? damn i cant wait >until jan =) who knows maybe we will catch a gilmpse of the new single, >Promises sometime soon. > >Paul Sounds great! Looking forward to January/February. Maybe they'll perform Promises at the Nobel concert? (Charles Harlden Tharp, I really need your email address, can you email it to me?) Asle Andersen - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:40:41 +1100 From: "Cranberry" Subject: %Cran: Happy Cranberries >I agree totally...a "happy" album can mean a thousand things, we won't >know what "happy" means til we hear it! We all have extremely hight >expectations for this album and I have no doubt they will be fulfilled. >There are a lot of exciting things coming up for us fans, so let's take >what we can get! It makes me HAPPY!! Exactly, and of course, there biggest commercial hit to date was an extremely happy and optimistic song: Dreams. Maybe we can expect this, if not the most melancholic album, then at least the most catchy, which will lead to teeny-bopper success, and therefore mega success and stardom for our favourite band! -pippin - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:42:23 +0100 (MET) From: Francois Gibello Subject: %Cran: The end of the world as i know it Hi Everyone ! I know. I sounded weird to most of you when I said that I was quite worry about the fact that the new Cranberries sound should be "happy". Well , after all your comments, I still mean it. I guess it is because I have change my music taste in the past few years , as the cranberries has changed their music style to. Moreover a lot of things happened to me since I started the first Home Page for the band on the net in Late 94. Basically, I don't want to sound pissed off because it has been quite a long time we haven't listened to something new from the band, so it is sure going to be enjoyable, but i don't think that the genuine sound of the band I used to listen to in late 92 will ever be the same to me. I was a fan from the first hour, when the band was not even known in UK, and at this time I couldn't manage to listen less than 2 hours to their music everyday. Now...there's "nothing left at all". I haven't updated my site in the past 1.5 year and I haven't listen to them for the past 3 months. I just regret it. It's too bad. I still want to believe that the album will be good enough , and as said wisely by Little (another ancestor on this list as I am, hello Eric ! ) let's wait and see. But I am soon 27 and it's hard to share teenagers' opinions and enthousiasm. Yes I am pessimistic by nature. But as you grow older, you will understand... The problem is that I am fed up to wait, and I don't want to feel the same frustration that I felt with "To the faithfull departed". So I have learnt to pay attention to other artists (Mandalay, Hooverphonic, Jewel, Kristin Hersch, Heather Nova, Autour de Lucie, Archive, Morcheeba, Sneaker Pimps And the good old "Faith over reason" and "Field Mice" pure indie jewels from the early 90s that I rediscovered lately...), and strangelly these alternatives artists means much more to me than the '98 or '99 Cranberries.That's it. Yes, this might be "the end of the world as I know it", which will be my last word. One of you criticized R.E.M. in a post lately. Well I think it is totally unfair. At least, Michale Stipe has done (and will always do ) more or less the kind of music he wants to, and whatever the time between the albums, the tourment of life, or the wishes of the music industry, he is still here with his own genuine style. The one who said that must not have seen Stipe on stage. Never. He is may be one of the not-so-numerous artists I still do respect after ten years of listening... I have just listen to the berries 6 years after all. Let's see on about 4 years if I will pay the same respect to our "best" irish band...I still wish, but they will have to light again the flame I have lost.I guess it might be as well the long cold dark swedish winter after all ...I have been back in Sweden for almost two years now, but I miss France quite a lot... Feel free to send any comments in French, English, Swedish and Spanish.... (Flames too, are accepted as I consider myself like the most open minded french on earth, or at least on this list ) Take Care Francois PS : Little, about my "CD project", it is totally frozen right now. Nevertheless, It's not forgotten, may be in a near future, who knows. As you see, I have lost the motivation...but I would be happy to made again a copy of my own boot to you as I have done for Suzy lately. I still have a master ready. and a 4 CD burners (2 at home and 2 at my job ) - --"Erase and rewind" ...coz I ve been changin my mind --The cardigans - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. 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"true" fans. ok ok. i think my post was taken a *bit* too seriously. it was written in a tongue-in-cheek manner, and apparently that not how it was taken. chill. ok, granted, i'm not a huge fan of happy music, because i love wallowing in despair, but i'm not saying that the new album is going to be bad or even not as good as their others. chances are, it will be better than to the faithfully...... because that one was sort of , ummm.... i cant' think of the right word - but it just didn't flow well.(in my opinion) and dolores' voice will be there, so it will be beautiful if the songs are happy, sad, sarcastic, or serious. and one more thing. who's to say what makes one a "true" or "real" fan?? Come on. Grow up. You can be a real fan of somone/something and still be critical or even skeptical. Are you saying that as a true fan, you have to like everything and agree with all that that person/people/thing does? That is walking around with blinders then. And, I dont' know about most of you, but I usually try NOT to do that. that's it. flame me if you like. i have my extinguisher ready. (sorry for the long post) ciao! kyra DISCLAIMER: All above reflects ONE single point of view and is not necessarily relevant to all. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:57:27 PST From: "Kyra dosch" Subject: %Cran: re; rem Thank you francois. I have to agree with most of your last post, especially regarding REM and Michael Stipe. They're music has been and still is phenomenal and their hearts seem to always be in it. And that (to me) makes it great. And their performance (Michael STipe in particular). Amazing. Wonderful. Sorry for lack of cran-material. ciao! kyra ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:05:27 EST From: LittleHoss@aol.com Subject: Re: %Cran: ok. "true" fans. In a message dated 11/19/98 3:14:20 PM, you wrote: <> *** Agreed! I was thinking the same. I'm hoping the two year break was enough for the cranberries to collect their thoughts. TTFD was a bit ecclectic. It will be interesting to see just what happens next? - -Little - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:33 +0100 From: "wim peels" Subject: %Cran: Reaction on "the end of the world" To everyone on this list. Francois, you are so right, and I know that everyone one this list agrees with you, even if it's only deep inside. Deep inside we all know our passion has gone. I haven't listened to the berries for the last 6 months. I just don't feel like that anymore. Everyone here is pretending to be happy about the new album, me too, because we want things to be like they used to be. It's like a friendship, even if it's not the same anymore it takes a long time before you give up on that person, because it hurts to break with the past, and it hurts to say good-bye. And that's exactly what it's like with the cranberries. It hurts to admit you don't love them like you used to anymore...but hey, isn't it true? Admit that you are not as thrilled about this album like you used too. Everyone wants a great album which will "light again the flame which we have lost", like Francois said so beautifully. I was moved by his letter, as it phrased exactly what I have been feeling for a long time, but never really allowed myself to feel. He is the first person on this list who dares to be honest to himself. Maybe he's what you would call the "true" fan. Although I must say that it's ridiculous to argue about who's a "true" or "real" fan. If you want to know what's the difference between true and real, I once read it in a book: "Real is what everyone agrees about. True is what you somehow know inside yourself". Everyone think about this, okay? Maybe it's better if we shut down this list. No-one has something really interesting to say anymore, so what's the point? Now I don't hope my mailbox will be flooded with flame-mails. Think before you react on this. Listen to your heart and know that Francois is right, and that I am right. It's not like I don't care anymore. I loved Dolores and I still love her, I don't think I will ever forget her. But she's more like a memory now, something of the past. Don't they always say artists or sportsmen should stop when they're best? It's to keep the memory. So wouldn't it be better to stop this list, and always have a beautiful memory of the time we were a fan of the berries , than to start liking them less and less in time, until we forgot them completely and nothing is left? Nothing left at all? Well, this mail is long enough already. I hope you will give this some thought. Love, Saskia - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:38:25 PST From: "Karl Ericksson" Subject: %Cran: Not a dim one What's happening? Sorry, but I must say... FUCK YOU Saskia and the ones who feel the same!!! >:((( I'm really DISAPPOINTED at the stupid things you're saying. What kind of fans are all you??? I can't believe the things I was reading. Why you don't go away and go listen to another band?...What a weak 'n' PHONY fans you are!!! An angry ''REAL & TRUE'' cran-fan! KE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:01:16 PST From: "Dolly Housholder" Subject: %Cran: response to ridiculous thoughts... now I know why its called the "Riduculous Thoughts" mailing list... What Saskia and Francois say may be true for some, but in my heart it is different. We should not give up on the Cranberries now. They have been working on this new album for us and the time is soon coming when our Cranberry needs will be fulfilled. My definition of a true fan is someone who is always there for their group, even in this time where the group seems non-exisitent and unfruitful. A true fan supports their work even if it isn't up to par and rejoices in their successes. A true fan is willing to wait for new material. Why do I hear Cranfans saying they're burned out on the Cranberries? Maybe because the third album was a disappointment for some and that this dry spell of Cran work irritates some people. But don't abandon the Cranberries now, especially right before their new album comes out. They're human, too. Be patient enough to see what the new material is and then make a thoughtful decision if you are still a true fan. Dolly Housholder. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:29 EST From: YeatsGrave@aol.com Subject: Re: %Cran: Reaction on "the end of the world" In a message dated 11/19/98 3:24:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, sassleep@xs4all.nl writes: << Maybe it's better if we shut down this list. No-one has something really interesting to say anymore, so what's the point? Now I don't hope my mailbox will be flooded with flame-mails. Think before you react on this. Listen to your heart and know that Francois is right, and that I am right. It's not like I don't care anymore. I loved Dolores and I still love her, I don't think I will ever forget her. But she's more like a memory now, something of the past. Don't they always say artists or sportsmen should stop when they're best? It's to keep the memory. So wouldn't it be better to stop this list, and always have a beautiful memory of the time we were a fan of the berries , than to start liking them less and less in time, until we forgot them completely and nothing is left? Nothing left at all? Well, this mail is long enough already. I hope you will give this some thought. Love, Saskia >> not interested in the list anymore? fine, unsubscribe, but we dont need your sanctimony on how we should shut down the list because you dont like the cranberries anymore. that is just utter nonsense...and i dont appreciate you speaking on my behalf, because I dont feel the same way you do. I listen to the berries every day and i have since 1994. i understand you are only stating your opinion, but keep in mind you can not possibly understand how anyone else feels about the cranberries. as dolores once said "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they stink". in YOUR own words...think before you react. you are NOT right so lets not get an ego here. i am listening to my heart, and its telling me that now matter how long the berries go without recording a new record they will always be my favorites. they are a part of me, and I dont just dismiss things that easily. Paul - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:17:14 +1100 From: "Cranberry" Subject: %Cran: END OF THE WORLD Saskia (wim peels) wrote: >Francois, you are so right, and I know that everyone one this list agrees >with you, even if it's only deep inside. Deep inside we all know our passion >has gone. I haven't listened to the berries for the last 6 months. I just >don't feel like that anymore. Everyone here is pretending to be happy about >the new album, me too, because we want things to be like they used to be. Pippin says: Speak for yourself wimpy, I've been listening to the cranberries a lot lately, MY passion hasn't gone anywhere. >Everyone here is pretending to be happy about >the new album, me too, because we want things to be like they used to be. NOT AT ALL! How would you know that everyone here is only pretending to be happy? (I'm not trying to be rude by the way) >Admit that you are not as thrilled about >this album like you used too. Everyone wants a great album which will "light >again the flame which we have lost", like Francois said so beautifully. I'll admit one thing, I totally disagree with you. And there such a thing as true fans, true fans will argue about points on the cranberries to the point of picking out their faults as I do, without actually losing faith in the band as you have. I can be as negative as I like about the berries but if i actually start saying things like, I don't like them anymore, then I'm not a true fan. >I was moved by his letter, as it phrased exactly what I have been feeling for >a long time, ..Hey, you said it yourself. YOU were moved by francisco's letter and it phrased exactly what YOU have been feeling for a long time, don't try and make everyone agree with you. >He is the first person >on this list who dares to be honest to himself. Gee, don't get rude and personal or anything! >If you want to know what's the difference >between true and real, I once read it in a book Oh, and books are always so infallable! Look what Dolores says " I'd rather not develop my philosophies through someone else's writing. I'd rather understand it through life rather than have it formed by a book" I'm enjoying this, maybe I should become a lawyer! >Maybe it's better if we shut down this list. No-one has >something really interesting to say anymore, so what's the point? If you think no one has anything interesting to say then why don't you just get lost and let other people decide whether they want to stay, you don't have to ruin it for people who want to keep the list. I use this list to find out lots of things, thank you very much. I've been able to get bootlegs from people that I otherwise wouldn't have been able to obtain, I've read articles people have put up, and I've been able to find out in advance when the cranberries are doing something because of all the other dedicated cran fans out there who tell me. >Listen to your heart and know that Francois is right, and >that I am right. >It's not like I don't care anymore. I loved Dolores and I still love her, I >don't think I will ever forget her. But she's more like a memory now, >something of the past. I won't tell you what my heart's thinking about your email, but I'm sure dolores would feel delighted to know a "fan" thinks of her as something in the past, when she's still in her twenties. Am I the only one left who thinks like this? I hope not-pippin - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:18:09 +1100 From: "Cranberry" Subject: %Cran: NOT A DIM ONE You expressed that so beautifully Karl! -pippin - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:23:04 +1100 From: "Cranberry" Subject: %Cran: I'm right wim peels wrote: >Think before you >react on this. Listen to your heart and know that Francois is right, and >that I am right. Ha! ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! what a crock - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, send a subscription request to: cranlist-request@smoe.org put "subscribe" in the BODY of the message. You must unsub from cranlist if you do not want to receive both loose and digested mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:26:34 +1100 From: "Cranberry" Subject: %Cran: %cran: REM Mr. Gibello wrote: >One of you criticized R.E.M. in a post lately. Well I think it is totally >unfair. At least, Michale Stipe has done .... etc etc etc, blah blah blah No one critisised Stipe or REM, maybe if you read your emails more carefully or brushed up on your english you'd be able to understand the context of things. Jason was just saying the Cranberries aren't REM so don't try and box them into that category of music. They can write happy songs if they like! - --------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Ridiculous Thoughts Mailing List Send posts to : cranlist@smoe.org Send unsubscribe requests to: cranlist-request@smoe.org Put "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message. 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