From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V6 #183 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, October 6 2006 Volume 06 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] OT: Zap2it [HJJH ] [chakram-refugees] RE: ancient sumer's xena [LAS ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 02:23:10 -0500 From: HJJH Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: Zap2it Is anybody else having trouble with the Zap2it TV-search site? I usually check on weekends to see which XWP eps will be coming up, and thought maybe it was no longer running because I got a "0 finds". Then I got the same response to ANYTHING I tried for. Is the trouble at my end or at theirs? Is there any other site that serves a similar purpose? ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:59:26 -0500 From: LAS Subject: [chakram-refugees] RE: ancient sumer's xena Hi. md, cr, sekhmet, I want to thank you for your concern that I'm going overboard on this issue. cr after your last post, I sat in bed and seethed, and felt like an animal whose hackles are up.....Grrrrrrrrr. Yes, there is a place for realizing for many of us that our emotions, even when valid...we need to be careful with how we use them to rectify injustices. Language can, and is, used to incite. I've done it myself. I'm betting we all have. And we know what that looks like from people with wrong intentions of power-over. The U.S. government is having a good time doing that right now. But I'm responding to all of your concerns with some different information, and asking you to understand why, first, I get to not give up arguing this point. And second, why I might be right. You know, a lot of us watched xena because this was a woman who couldn't be taken, emotionally and with her power. She was someone who was willing, and able to stand up for what she believed was right, and had the power to go after it. She was angry. The entire show dealt with the issues of history, and balance, and learning to take our angers and hurts and not make war with them. And gabrielle was the voice of reason for a long time, in balance with the physical power of xena. I don't want to make war out of this issue. but though this particular issue of whether woolley tossed out bones of a woman who lived over 3000 years ago may not be life-threatening or world-changing in the scheme of things, the issue for me is believe it's not ok if it happened; that it's ok, if not a moral imperative, to know there are things out in the world, and which have happened in our own lives, or the lives of people we know, or know of, which deserve outrage. As a response. Even though the follow-up requires the ability to think through how to deal with those things which outrage us, without killing or otherwise hurting. I'm not asking anyone to organize a mob over this issue. But my anger comes from a place of knowing, personally, very personally, what it's like as a woman, and with other identities, to have my life completely discarded as worthless. We get outraged sometimes over personal experiences that are not resolved. And our personal experiences (the feminist saying, "the personal is political") is about our lives being very much connected to experiences of other people, in other places, in other times. And sometimes my personal experiences have helped me understand the experiences of people in groups I'm not ostensibly part of . When I saw the movie Amistad several years ago in a movie theater, I and the friend I was with both sat there and cried. As someone who was raised poor and working class, the place I sometimes feel powerless with is words. I am being challenged to open up my voice and talk right now. For those of you who know energy work, my throat chakra is blocked. So I am saying things that sometimes have emotional content, and often I distrust my thinking because some of you can spin words and language around me in intellectual ways that may be accurate in content or thinking, but may not be. It's the way men have often convinced women to feel powerless...we have feelings about our oppression but don't allegedly have the intellect to argue why the oppression is wrong. We're too emotional. I'm working class and poor, and allegedly too stupid to argue with someone who is middle class or "higher" or an academic, that my life means something and my perspective on the world matters and is accurate. That I know what I'm talking about. I don't have a chance in h*ll, I've been told, to use my thinking that way. It's harder for me to do this. For lots of us to use language and intellectual argument to make a point.. it's a powerlessness issue. So we will use emotions to argue a point. But sometimes I notice it's very useful to combine them both. No, not to manipulate people toward a position. But to state out loud that these things (what ever they are) make me angry, and there are reasons, very very real reasons, for me to be angry. And I'd like to ask you all to not be afraid that getting angry means violence. i would rather you all would have reacted, something like, "if this happened, it's outrageous. Let's check it out and come back with more information." And then in terms of what creates power, what do we do about it. What do I want to do about it. I don't live through this show, xena. The issue for me is MY power. I do want to have the ability to control my own life, my own thinking, to put out my values and not have to back down from my arguments or beliefs just because I'm easily intimidated by others. it doesn't mean I'll always be right. But for those especially who are women, who are conditioned not to feel or express anger, i'm convinced, seriously, that getting in touch with our outrage about our own and other injustices could unleash a lot of our power in the world. Even if it doesn't feel or sound completely coherent all the time. Though sometimes I kid my friends about my own outrage, and go around as with xena in The Price, and say, "let's kill 'em all," I don't really believe it, or do it. liili ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V6 #183 **************************************