From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V6 #172 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, September 25 2006 Volume 06 : Number 172 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] OS: Celeb Duets [LAS ] [chakram-refugees] Goldmoon & Dragons of Autumn Twilight [NZJester ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:44:11 -0500 From: LAS Subject: [chakram-refugees] OS: Celeb Duets two things: first: ife said: "I agree she believed she'd be booted, but think her reaction was more because it happened to Jai." possibly. but i could have sworn it was before they told jai he was out. and yes, i agree he was definitely better than sparks. disappointment. but ribeiro is very good. so lawless has a run for her money. second i did a brief search this evening for celeb duets updates on web, with mentions about lawless. i found the following site with some interesting info about a new lucy lawless movie. apparently (has anyone posted this before? i've missed a couple things)...she will be the voice in the animated movie "dragons of autumn twilight" with a major character role as goldmoon. websites: http://www.fox.com/celebrityduets/bios/bio_lawless.htm http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0825245/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons_of_Autumn_Twilight lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:32:28 +1200 From: NZJester Subject: [chakram-refugees] Goldmoon & Dragons of Autumn Twilight At 12:44 a.m. 24/09/2006 -0500, LAS wrote: >i did a brief search this evening for celeb duets updates on web, with mentions about lawless. i found the >following site with some interesting info about a new lucy lawless movie. apparently (has anyone posted this >before? i've missed a couple things)...she will be the voice in the animated movie "dragons of autumn twilight" >with a major character role as goldmoon. There was some talk awhile back about Lucy doing the voice of Goldmoon I'm just wondering if this will be the first of a trilogy of cartoon movies as the book of that name was the first of a trilogy Here is some info from Wikipedia Goldmoon (also known as Goldmoon of the Que Shu tribe or just Goldmoon of the Que Shu) is a fictional character from the Dragonlance fantasy series of novels and role playing games, originally published by TSR, Inc. and later by Wizards of the Coast. Introduced in the first book of the original Chronicles Trilogy, Dragons of Autumn Twilight, written by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman in 1984; Goldmoon has became a recurring character for over 16 years in multiple Dragonlance novels and series, either as a protagonist or as a supporting character. As with the other protagonists of the trilogy, Goldmoon's first appearance was during a tabletop role-playing game session in which Tracy and Laura Hickman, Margaret Weis and Terry Phillips between others, set up the basic storyline of Dragonlance.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldmoon - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:00:54 -0500 From: LAS Subject: [chakram-refugees] ancient sumer's "xena" i'm researching some materials on ancient sumerian civiliation, and came across this website with this heading from /Science /magazine or journal, dated //5 August 2005 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/309/5736/868b RENCONTRE ASSYRIOLOGIQUE INTERNATIONALE MEETING: Ur's Xena: A Warrior Princess for Sumeria? *Andrew Lawler* ** *"**CHICAGO, ILLINOIS--*More than 300 Mesopotamian scholars gathered at the University of Chicago's famed Oriental Institute from 17 to 23 July. Although Iraq, heartland of their discipline, is closed to excavation, researchers presented fresh results from new and old excavations, including a new theory about the occupant of one of the royal tombs of Ur." i could not read the entire article because i'm not logged into or able to pay for this website research. i then found on a blog site the following: " Lawler's 2nd article was given--by his editor, no doubt--the catchy but deceptive title "Rencontre Assyriologique Internationale Meeting: Ur's Xena: A Warrior Princess for Sumeria? " "One of the most spectacular archaeological discoveries in history was Leonard Woolley's excavation of the royal tombs of Ur in the late 1920s. The 16 graves included a 'death pit' with sacrificed retainers and animals. Woolley believed the tombs were those of kings and their consorts, including the famous Queen Puabi, buried with a magnificent crown and other jewelry. But one grave, tomb 1054, left Woolley perplexed. In the shaft 4 meters above the stone burial chamber was a cylinder seal inscribed with the word 'lugal,' Sumerian for 'king' or 'ruler,' along with a name read as Meskalamdug and traditionally translated as 'hero of the land.' In the stone chamber itself were a host of weapons, including a dagger at the side of the principal occupant. But there was one hitch: Woolley determined that the remains were of a woman. Scholars had long held that ancient Mesopotamian rulers, unlike their Egyptian neighbors, were always men. 'That seal cannot be hers,' Woolley concluded in a 1934 publication. ... Now Kathleen McCaffrey, a graduate student at the University of California, Berkeley, says [see my Tuesday July 19, 4:15 pm posting] that the most logical answer is the simplest: The seal and weapons did indeed belong to the buried skeleton, which may have been that of a female Sumerian ruler. That claim has sparked fierce debate, however, especially because Woolley disposed of the bones shortly after discovering them. Woolley himself suggested that the seal and weapons were gifts from the woman's husband. Another theory is that the true owner of the seal, a male, was buried in a mud-brick shaft above the stone tomb. But McCaffrey notes that the materials in that shaft are low quality and lack weapons, and that no other royal tomb is constructed of mud brick. In fact, the remains in the mud-brick shaft, identified by Woolley as male, were wrapped in women's clothing with feminine jewelry. Unfortunately, those bones also were discarded. The principal occupant of 1054 herself reveals some curious gender anomalies, notes McCaffrey. Her skeleton was found wearing a hair ribbon, two golden wreaths, and a gold dress pin, all typical for high-status Sumerian women of the day. But she was not adorned with the usual earrings or elaborate choker, and there were no floral combs or cosmetic containers. And a gold headpiece and a dagger and whetstone at her waist were typical for Sumerian men; a gold headdress near the skeleton has a brim, a style that Woolley believed was worn mostly by men. Also in the stone chamber were a bronze ax, dagger, and hatchet--very atypical for a woman's tomb. Other researchers attribute those weapons to the male attendants in the room, but McCaffrey notes that the attendants lack rings, weapons on their bodies, or any other sign of elite materials, suggesting that they were servants. McCaffrey maintains that the root of the problem is translation: Sumerian grammar does not include gender distinctions, but 'lugal' has always been translated as 'king' rather than simply 'ruler.' In the case of tomb 1054, she concludes that the woman was in fact a lugal. But other scholars hotly disagree. University of Chicago archaeologist McGuire Gibson argues that the seal's location above the stone chamber makes it difficult to tie it to the elite occupant below. ... Philologists, meanwhile, note that although 'lugal' is technically a gender-free term [doesn't "lz-gal" literally mean "big man"?], there is the counterpart term 'eresh,' which traditionally is translated as female consort to a male ruler. ... Researchers are now examining Queen Puabi's remains for clues to her genetic identity." funny, i was JUST watching "a fistful of dinars" from season 1, allegedly based on ancient sumeria. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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