From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V6 #51 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, February 26 2006 Volume 06 : Number 051 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Atara Stein [KLOSSNER9@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! [IfeRae@a] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! [IfeRae@a] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! [IfeRae@a] [chakram-refugees] William Gregory Lee movies ["Xena Torres" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy on BSG [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:03:58 EST From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Atara Stein Many Chakram people will remember Atara Stein, who I feel was the sharpest contributor to the list back when Xena was on the air. I just googled her and found that she had a book published in 2004 -- The Byronic Hero in Film, Fiction and Television. Here is the publisher's page, with several review excerpts-- _http://www.siu.edu/~siupress/titles/f04_titles/stein_byronic.htm_ (http://www.siu.edu/~siupress/titles/f04_titles/stein_byronic.htm) Reading over the description of the book, I doubt that even Ares would qualify as a Byronic hero. Callisto might, but she's a woman. So this book may not have anything to do with Xena, but it's nice to note this success by an old Xena hand. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:11:39 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! In a message dated 2/23/2006 11:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > >>Are you going to be this picky during all your lessons? The cr (you do > >>remember him, right) of the BSG discussions? > > I'm here. Lurking... > > Do *not* make me zap you.... > Please do. It appears Lucy has dragged me into yet another obsession -- a mini one this time, but bothersome nonetheless. Oh, I just realized -- you might not get the SciFi channel. That would leave Sue all by herself -- well, maybe Kym'll chime in, as well as others who'll be less picky. Heh heh. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:11:41 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! In a message dated 2/23/2006 11:11:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, sswilso@uark.edu writes: > > LOL. Apparently I'm the Ennis del Mar of reporting. I'll work on that, > though. >> Okay, you'll have to enlighten me. I've become my mother, in terms of keeping up with various "personalities." > Anything that I can't readily explain - anything from how my coffee cup > wasn't where I left it, to how fire got Gabby preggers - all goes under the > heading of "magic". I find that explanation works for just about everything > that I either can't figure out, or can't be arsed to figure out. Magic is > how I found my car keys this morning. Magic is how my refrigerator lights > up when I open the door. Magic is what got Gabby up the duff. See? Works. :)> > > Oh, absolutely! Definitly my explanation for how this stuff appears on my computer screen. And those Blackberry's? Pffft. Waaaaay beyond magic. And they can stay there -- banned or not. > > >See, the imagining about stuff that didn't happen is the easy part. > >It's the 'splaining what did happen that'll make your life a living > >Tartarus. > >Heh heh. > > Haha. As long as Tartarus doesn't include a daily matinee of Fischticks, > I'm good. >. Oh, but it does. I'll be there watching it with you -- just enjoying it more. > What is Caprica? It's the home planet of some of these Colonials. There are > > 12 planets, each one carrying the flag of an ancient founder - which seem > to be the Olympian gods. Their founders came from a mythical planet named > Kobol, which their scriptures say was colonized after leaving Earth which > was their homeland. Kobol was a kind of garden of Eden that was destroyed > for some reason, at which point the 12 tribes split up and sought out new > homelands. If this all sounds vaguely religious, it is - the show's main > theme is a holy war. Not surprisingly, the show uses that slant to hit on a > lot of themes in the real-life newsmaking world.>> Huh. Admittedly, I was quite surprised when I happened to tune into an ep where they were reading from scriptures and sounding quite bliblical. I'm kind of sorry to hear that, especially if crosses start cropping up. (Had enough of those in XWP.) Still, I appreciate your explanation, as it's just what I needed (or wanted) to know about that aspect. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:11:45 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! In a message dated 2/23/2006 9:20:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, sswilso@uark.edu writes: > Yahoo list called scifi_battlestar_galactica_over_30, which is literally > what it looks like - a group for adults to talk about SciFi's BSG. It's > high volume, and I can't keep up with it most of the time, but the quality > of discussion is high. >> We'll expect you to share the highlights with us, of course. > > >And I would use the word "replicate" loosely, because they're not (AFAIK) > >>replicating, but creating. These aren't clones - so far as we know.>> > > > >Are you going to be this picky during all your lessons? The cr (you do > >remember him, right) of the BSG discussions? > > Yes. We're not talking "Blade Runner" and all those funny replicants and > replicating, after all. But if you insist on saying replicate, that's okay > - we'll just spell Xena with a Z and call her chakram "the round thingy". > > *ducking* >> And well you should! You dare compare that to misnomering the chakram? When you admit you're not even sure *how* the cylons came to be? Humph. <> I > >figure she'll be more her nonreplicated/nonclone/possibly "created" Lon > self > >with "those in the know," but more Hum with "those not in the know." > > Correct! :) And we've so far discounted the possibility that she's just a > sleeper agent. She's on a mission. She's big trouble. >> What's a "sleeper agent"? > > > Now, the > >question is, does she have duplicates -- human or otherwise -- possibily > with > >different "personalities" and/or sympathies based on their experiences. > > Yes. We've seen one of her copies on Caprica. >> Um, I didn't think we'd established that it was a copy and not the one we saw reporting. She couldn't have returned to Caprica for that video screening? > > Here's your first BSG history lesson. :) Nobody knows where the humlons > came from except for the cylons, and they're not tellin'. >> See?! They could have somehow "replicated" them from human tissue. The original > > cylons were created by the Colonials (humans) as a sort of gimmicky robot > toy that got more and more advanced over the years until they were so > advanced that they were beginning to be used in servile positions. Then the > military rebuilt the technology and created warfare robots. The only > problem was that the AI and reasoning skills they were imbued with allowed > them to develop a self-awareness. They rebelled against the Colonials and > the Cylon War began. The Colonials were near to being wiped out when the > cylons suddenly all departed and disappeared. At some point, a truce was > offered and a space station was set up so that the Colonials and cylons > could meet each year for talks, but for 3 or 4 decades, the only ones that > showed up were the Colonials. That brings us to the miniseries, and the > opening scene, where the other side finally does show up - in the form of a > humlon - and the war begins anew.>> You suppose the show's creators are backing into the "magic" of what happened - -- like Xena of "10 winters ago?" Kind of making it up as they go along? > > > Please, please don't let one of 'em be Meg. > > HAHAHA! Gods... that would be great fanfic, though. >> Says you. I don't see that she had much appeal in Xena fanfic. BTW, you're gonna have to be a little quicker on the uptake with your answers, if you're to be one of our instructors. Whatever life you expect to hold onto will have to be put on hold, especially once we start getting Lucy eps week after week. I almost forgot I'd asked the above questions. I'm expecting explanations to pop up promptly -- like ... magic. Heh heh. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:40:20 -0500 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: [chakram-refugees] William Gregory Lee movies Wow - search around on Amazonn and find the oddest things. I just located two movies that star William Gregory Lee (Virgil) and I only about one of them. ;) They are: Blood of Beasts: Despite his daughter's protests, King Thorsson decides to take one last trip to Bear Island before the beautiful Freya is wed to fiancee and heir to the throne Sven (William Gregory Lee). When King Thorsson is betrayed by Sven and led into the lair of a dreaded man-beast (David Dukas), Freya wastes no time in racing to save her beloved father. A former mortal man abandoned by his people and cursed to walk the planet as a horrific monster, the beast lives in isolation and shame as he clings to his last shreds of humanity. When Freya arrives prepared to sacrifice herself for the good of her kingdom and the life of her father, the beast sees in her a beauty that renews his hope for a better life. http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AQOHMG/qid%3D1140899513/702-3647985-7736036 Wolves of Wall Street (this one I had heard of): Jeff (William Gregory Lee), fresh out of college, lands a job with an established Wall Street brokerage house run by charismatic Dyson Keller (Eric Roberts), whose employees, all male, make a lot of money by being particularly cutthroat. Jeff buys into the cult only to learn too late Wolfe Brothers' secret regarding the full moon. http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000CBY0X/qid=1140899526/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_0_1/702-3647985-7736036 And now, reading this, I had no idea "Wolves" was going to mean werewolves. Oh gods... :P I haven't seen either yet, but I have just ordered "Blood of Beasts" and, knowing my desire to collect as much Xena related material as is humanly possible, I'll be getting "Wolves" too. ;) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Bitch of Rome http://www.bitchofrome.com "Time to put you out of my misery." - Livia "Eve" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:47:35 -0800 From: "Kym Masera Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Atara Stein From: > Many Chakram people will remember Atara Stein, who I feel was > the sharpest contributor to the list back when Xena was on the air. > I just googled her and found that she had a book published in > 2004 -- The Byronic Hero in Film, Fiction and Television. > Here is the publisher's page, with several review excerpts-- > _http://www.siu.edu/~siupress/titles/f04_titles/stein_byronic.htm_ > (http://www.siu.edu/~siupress/titles/f04_titles/stein_byronic.htm) > Reading over the description of the book, I doubt that even > Ares would qualify as a Byronic hero. Callisto might, but she's > a woman. So this book may not have anything to do with Xena, > but it's nice to note this success by an old Xena hand. Ms. Stein published two papers at Whoosh.org called "Callisto" (http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/stein2.html). and "Xena: Warrior Princess, The Lesbian Gaze, And The Construction Of A Feminist Heroine" As to Byronic Heroes, an article by Cathy McLain called "Xena and Heathcliff: Classic Byronic Heroes" (http://www.whoosh.org/issue6/mclain.html) was published in Whooshl. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:23:39 +1300 From: cr - orcon Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! On Sunday 26 February 2006 07:11, you wrote: > In a message dated 2/23/2006 11:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > >>Are you going to be this picky during all your lessons? The cr (you do > > >>remember him, right) of the BSG discussions? > > > > I'm here. Lurking... > > > > Do *not* make me zap you.... > > Please do. It appears Lucy has dragged me into yet another obsession -- a > mini one this time, but bothersome nonetheless. > > Oh, I just realized -- you might not get the SciFi channel. Errm... I don't think my TV has quite the range for that Doubtless BSG screens (or will screen at some time in the next decade or two) on some channel here.... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:57:18 -0600 From: Stephanie Suzanne Wilson Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! cr wrote: > > Doubtless BSG screens (or will screen at some time in the next > decade or two) > on some channel here.... > > cr You can buy the eps just after they screen, over on iTunes. $1.99 USD, I think. S. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:01:07 -0600 From: Stephanie Suzanne Wilson Subject: [chakram-refugees] BSG: Lucy's latest appearance No spoilers here. :) Apologies for not posting this in time for the Friday night viewing. La Luce was in last night's Battlestar Galactica, reprising her role - sort of. :P (Damn good ep, too.) The ep is called "Downloaded". According to tv.yahoo.com, it reairs Monday night, then again on March 6. Scifi Channel. Alternately, you can swoop on over to iTunes and purchase the .mp4 of the ep, which'll play on Quicktime, for $1.99 USD. S. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:11:45 GMT From: "Cyane" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] BSG: Lucy's latest appearance I'm going to say the answer is no, but I wondered if this show ever airs on regular television, maybe late at night or something. I don't get scifi, but sometimes they have shows from there no regular tv. Thanks. "I've got my own past to deal with; I'm not taking the weight of your crimes anymore." >-- Stephanie Suzanne Wilson wrote: >No spoilers here. :) >Apologies for not posting this in time for the Friday night viewing. La Luce was in last night's Battlestar Galactica, reprising her role ->sort of. :P (Damn good ep, too.) >The ep is called "Downloaded". According to tv.yahoo.com, it reairs Monday night, then again on March 6. Scifi Channel. >Alternately, you can swoop on over to iTunes and purchase the .mp4 of the ep, which'll play on Quicktime, for $1.99 USD. >S. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:22:11 -0600 From: Stephanie Suzanne Wilson Subject: [chakram-refugees] BSG random lessons :) (was Re: Lucy signs on for 10 eps...) Ife wrote: > > Huh. Admittedly, I was quite surprised when I happened to tune > into an ep > where they were reading from scriptures and sounding quite > bliblical. I'm kind > of sorry to hear that, especially if crosses start cropping up. > (Had enough > of those in XWP.) I would be perplexed if crosses started popping up, what with the show not taking place on Earth and such. *g* In fact, the only symbols of religion that we have seen so far are statues of Greek gods, and stone carvings of constellations and star charts. Set this apart from the mess with Dahak. Different show, I swear. *g* Here, there is a "God", which the cylons claim has set them on their task to wipe out the humans. And there are the Greek gods, from the Colonials. Their scriptures they read from are similar to many Earthly scriptures, in just what I've heard of them. The passage repeated most often is: "This has all happened before, and it will all happen again." I only remembered that from an old Art of Noise song! hehe And so far it's unclear whether the Colonials' "scriptures" (what we call Greek myths) are the same "scriptures" the cylons derive their one god from. The cylons say they've studied the Colonial scripture and know it better than the Colonials do. And just like with any society, there are many who don't believe in the scriptures or gods at all, and who decry any notion of trying to follow a religious leadership. And the religion is not the main theme of the show. It's one of several underlying themes. So don't turn your nose up at it yet. See the show and appreciate all the different directions it's coming from. Because it's complex, tightly written, well-acted, relevant, and deep. And hey - there were lots of folks (including me!) who pffpt'd XWP when first seen - I think my reaction was "great, another T&A warrior chick movie... what is this, Conan Part 8?" ;) S. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:44:01 -0600 From: Stephanie Suzanne Wilson Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy signs on for 10 eps on Battlestar?! I said: > > > > Yahoo list [snip] I can't keep up with it most of the time>> > Ife replied: > We'll expect you to share the highlights with us, of course. Let me get to that right away. ;) > When > you admit you're not even sure *how* the cylons came to be? > Humph. No, no. Not sure how the *humlons* came to be. *g* > What's a "sleeper agent"? They're terrorists that go to the locale of the proposed attack, blend into society, and await further instructions, which could take days, weeks, months, or years. The groups that came to the US and hijacked planes on 9/11 were sleeper agents. When they were activated, they single-mindedly carried out their mission. > Um, I didn't think we'd established that it was a copy and not the > one we saw > reporting. She couldn't have returned to Caprica for that video > screening? Nope. Caprica is way too far. And there's no way she could have stolen a ship. She would have been blasted out of the sky. > See?! They could have somehow "replicated" them from human tissue. Honestly, we don't know where the first humlon for each model came from. But you're talking about current humlons who are copies (seen in the opening credits, "there are many copies"). They're fresh bodies with downloaded memories from the last humlon corpse of the same design. > You suppose the show's creators are backing into the "magic" of > what happened > -- like Xena of "10 winters ago?" Kind of making it up as they go > along? I've wondered that, a few times. But then usually an ep will come along pdq that sorts it all out. It's eerie how things happen on this show. Once you see an ep and start having questions, 2 or 3 eps later you get an ep with the answers. And new questions. Then the cycle repeats. It's like the writers actually know where they're going, and can actually write, which is so refreshing for TV these days. There was one ep recently called "Black Market" that made me get all grumpy because it was all obviously recently made up flashbacks to fit with current stuff. I half expected "10 Winters Ago" to show on the screen. :) > > > Please, please don't let one of 'em be Meg. > > > > HAHAHA! Gods... that would be great fanfic, though. >> > > Says you. I don't see that she had much appeal in Xena fanfic. Maybe she would in a Xena/BSG crossover. The bizarreness factor would be enough to entice me to read... > BTW, you're gonna have to be a little quicker on the uptake with > your > answers, if you're to be one of our instructors. Haha. Yeah. I'm pretty busy these days, what with trying to start a business and train for a 2,600 mile hike. :) But I'll work on my asap-ness. ;) S. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:46:58 -0600 From: Stephanie Suzanne Wilson Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] BSG: Lucy's latest appearance Cyane wrote: > I'm going to say the answer is no, Sorry, I missed the question? :) but I wondered if this show > ever airs on > regular television, maybe late at night or something. Nope. I believe the miniseries aired on NBC (?) waaaay back ago. Someday maybe it'll be in syndication and will air on WB/UPN/Fox/whathaveyou late at night or something. Who knows. But you'll probably want to check your local listings to see whatcha got. S. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:53:36 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Lucy on BSG If Lucy's character develops as I think it will the Cylon story is going to be great. I love seeing Lucy as the righteous villain - I can just see her as the religious conservative standing up for Cylon values and Sharon and Caprica 6 as the new liberal thinkers wanting to make peace with the humans and kinder gentler Cylon society. Lucy has a real knack for playing for playing the villain. She gave a really nice subtle performance. I though in the beginning she was a nice motherly Cylon leader and then she slowly changed . In the coffee shop her understated menace began to show and then finally her cruelty as she looked forward to torturing the captive human. I am really looking forward to her 10 episode arc and possibly a deep exploration of Cylon society. It is obvious the Cylons are more like humans than they or their enemies would suspect. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:51:18 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy on BSG Hi, Cheryl Ande wrote: > If Lucy's character develops as I think it will the Cylon story is going to be > great. I agree with your post 100%. I think that was the best episode of the season so far, which is saying something. Fascinating that there's now a Six model with Gaius in her head, to bookend Gaius having Six in his head. I think that's brilliant. > I am really looking forward to her 10 episode > arc and possibly a deep exploration of Cylon society. It is obvious the > Cylons are more like humans than they or their enemies would suspect. Sympathetic villains are, to me, much more interesting than generic Bad Guys(tm). By making certain Cylons multi-faceted and conflicted, TPTB have opened up a host of new possibilities for a show that was already chock full of them. And knowing that LL's Cylon model is going to be back for 10 eps (hopefully including the D'Anna Biers model in the fleet too) makes it all even more exciting. Gods, I love this show. I'm so happy LL is involved in it!! :) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V6 #51 *************************************