From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V6 #32 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, February 4 2006 Volume 06 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Fishsticks and the Fantastic [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Fishsticks and the Fantastic [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: [pnwxenite] Herc Season 1 [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: [pnwxenite] Herc Season 1 ["Mark B." ] Re: [chakram-refugees] A Deafening Silence ["Xena Torres" ] RE: [chakram-refugees] A Deafening Silence ["bookdaft" >I guess it's one of those cases where either you buy the fantasy the whole > >way or not. > > Okay. There is a limit, which is not the same for everybody, and not even > in > the same place for everybody, beyond which ones 'willing suspension of > disbelief' is stretched too far. > True. It just amazes me what some of us blithely accept about some fantastic stuff, yet find "unrealistic" in others. To hear us, you'd never believe we were so fanatical about the same show. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:44:15 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Fishsticks and the Fantastic In a message dated 1/31/2006 6:33:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, sswilso@uark.edu writes: > There's a certain warmth in watching Xena now, all of Xena. I > > don't quite know what it is - a longing for simpler times, or a simpler me, > or that I'm just more easy-going now and can see the humor in more things - > but I can watch it all and enjoy it on many levels, something it took a bit > of effort for me to do in the past. > I know just what you mean. I'm always discovering something new or looking at something new -- like secondary characters or the flow of people in the background. I used to fast-forward through early Gabs, so have gone back to old eps with more of an eye on her. I too love the dark eps, but find myself watching some comedies over and over with breakfast. MWF is like watching a different show with familiar characters. I can watch SOP almost any time and appreciate what a wonderful introduction it was to the show. The whole series is so precious to me now, I couldn't begin to quibble about the warts. I'll probably even watch "For Him The Bell Tolls" again one day. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:44:18 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: [pnwxenite] Herc Season 1 In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:04:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > Warning: This is of course my opinion.... >> Natch. > Web of Desire - now we're rockin! The first appearance of Nebula, and > boy > is she in form. >> Oooo, that should be a winner. > > Stranger in a Strange World - another good one. The introduction of the > alternate universe, populated by familiar characters but in reversed roles - > > e.g. Aphrodite is Goddess of Chastity, Herc's alter ego is the Sovereign, a > vicious ruler, Ares is God of Love, Xena's alter ego is the Sov's vampy > girlfriend... >> Yeah, that was so-so for me, but at least it's got Lucy in it. > Prodigal Sister - renegade Amazons. A walk-on part by Ephiny which is > about > as pointless as the walk-on by Iolaus in The Quest. Katrina Browne > (Mendala > and Thalassa) as Siri, a fairly good role. And it has a minor but neat > twist which I won't reveal. A passable ep.>> Sounds promising. > > ... And Fancy Free. A rip-off (oops, homage) to Strictly Ballroom. Best > thing about it is Edith Sidebottom (who is _never_ credited as Michael > Hurst) > playing Widow Twanky. Personally, not my thing. >> Oh, I caught that one. Loved it! > > If I Had a Hammer. Atalanta (Cory Everson, in a slightly toned-down > version > of her Season 1 costume...) >> Uh huh. Saw that one too. Not bad. Cory was surprisingly okay. > Men in Pink. Yes! Herc does 'Some Like it Hot', and it's a good one. > Auto > and Salmoneus are on the run and dress as girls in the Widow Twanky's dance > troupe. Lacey Kohl as 'Cupcake' is excellent as a Marilyn Monroe > lookalike. One of the better comedies. >> Hmmm, except for picturing Sorbo in this, sounds promising. > > Armageddon Now 1 and 2.... And another hit! Ares and Callisto - if you > saw them in Sacrifice, this is where they got their hate-hate relationship > started. Great fun, both eps. And of course a major crossover of Hope > and Callisto from XWP. Plus (in Part 2) cameos by the alternate-reality > evil Empress Xena and peasant Gabrielle. (Umm, sorry, subtexters, no > WhenFatesCollide soulmate nonsense here, evil Xena promptly has peasant > gabby > crucified. :) >> Oh, yes, Lucy's bits were some of my favorte Evil Xenas. > > Yes Virginia There is a Hercules. >> Another one I really liked. > > Okay... so, eps worth watching (IMO) are Web of Desire, Stranger, Two Men > and > a Baby, Prodigal Sister, Men in Pink, Armageddon Now 1&2, Yes Virginia, My > Fair Cupcake, War Wounds, and Reunions. >> Well, the ones I highlighted will do. If I like some of the others, all the better. Thanks, that was really helpful. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:01:49 -0600 From: "Mark B." Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: [pnwxenite] Herc Season 1 <> IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:04:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, >cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > >>Stranger in a Strange World - another good one. The introduction of the >>alternate universe, populated by familiar characters but in reversed roles - >> >>e.g. Aphrodite is Goddess of Chastity, Herc's alter ego is the Sovereign, a >>vicious ruler, Ares is God of Love, Xena's alter ego is the Sov's vampy >>girlfriend... >> >> >> > >Yeah, that was so-so for me, but at least it's got Lucy in it. > > Wasn't that the one with ROC as an executioner??? She had some funny little one liner in that scene! > > > >>Armageddon Now 1 and 2.... And another hit! Ares and Callisto - if you >>saw them in Sacrifice, this is where they got their hate-hate relationship >>started. Great fun, both eps. And of course a major crossover of Hope >>and Callisto from XWP. Plus (in Part 2) cameos by the alternate-reality >>evil Empress Xena and peasant Gabrielle. (Umm, sorry, subtexters, no >>WhenFatesCollide soulmate nonsense here, evil Xena promptly has peasant >>gabby >>crucified. :) >> >> >> > >Oh, yes, Lucy's bits were some of my favorte Evil Xenas. > > Wasn't that the one where one of the Callisto stunties was pregnant? Someone had mentioned that at the time and I had to dutifully pause and frame forward to find it. We're a dedicated bunch-o-Xenites, huh? ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:08:45 -0600 From: "Mark B." Subject: [chakram-refugees] Totally OT question... My wife & I have gotten kinda hooked on 'Dancing With the Stars'. I was curious as to how the stars are selected. I went to their web site and found no information at all regarding that. Anyway...... we're thinking that LL, with her 'try anything' attitude, would be great on the show. Does anyone know if the stars selected are contacted by the show or if they have to initiate a contact??? Does anyone else think this would be a good idea or is this just something spinning around in my little head? Mark ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:56:19 -0500 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] A Deafening Silence >Meanwhile, what's the situation with VERONICA MARS? Is Lucy going to be on again? Hello. Weighing in as a HUGE Mars fan: This story is NOT dead, I'm sure. I don't read spoilers for this show, because it would ruin it, but, with the characters used and the story told, I'd bet SERIOUS cash this issue will be reawakened later, though, I don't think it will come up again THIS year. It might be a set up for NEXT season (there's already a fair bit going on right now and the one major mystery was set up in the first ep of the season, and this isn't it). Will Lucy show up again? Well, course, that is up to Lucy, but, from what they wrote "Cases like this don't go away" and how much more they gave to Lucy's character vs the other agent, I believe they would like to bring her back for whenever this story comes back - but, yeah, that's up to Lucy. They certainly DID set it up for a return, cause I KNOW this issue will come up again. > ...it's interesting that there been Not A Single Word here about that program. Huh? I posted mere HOURS after it aired - delayed only because I work until 10:30pm. ;) >but there seems to be an unspoken consensus that "Donut Run" be quietly ignored. That I have to agree. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO OUT THERE! ;) >>So you made it through Veronica Mars? I thought I was patient, butthe show did *nothing* for >>me. Yeah, SADLY that wasn't the best episode. Drat. >>I didn't even like L's character -- too smart a** and pompous. What!? OMG - that's why she was cool. It was ALL about her putting Lamb (the sherrif) in place. Course, as you don't watch the show, one can't know he's kind of a 'villain' character. Well, an antagonist to the Mars family would be a better term. Lucy's character putting him in line was PRICLESS cause this ass does that to Veronica's dad (the former sherrif who was pretty much 'run out' of office when he's the FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR better cop) all the time. He talks down to Keith Mars and Veronica Mars in every ep he's in. So it was MOST fitting to see him get talked down too when he's trying to be all cool (ie - ignoring the agents like he didn't see them as he was doing paperwork when they first entered his office). As a fan of the show - believe me - Lucy was PERFECT BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Bitch of Rome http://www.bitchofrome.com "Time to put you out of my misery." - Livia "Eve" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:23:23 -0600 From: HJJH Subject: [chakram-refugees] From the NewXenaland list Reprinted with Carolyn's permission, a notice-worthy posting some chakramites might otherwise miss-- ____________________ From: "Carolyn S" Delivered-To: mailing list NewXenaland@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:49:36 +1300 Subject: [NewXenaland] LL : 5 Days in Bangaladesh Here's my comment on the LL doc last night. Spoilers below for anyone who hasn't seen it. Lucy Lawless: Five Days in Bangladesh: NZ TV 3: 31 January 2006 I watched this documentary last night. I learnt a few things; about the nature of poverty in Bangladesh, about the survival of the human spirit in dire circumstances, and about how World Vision works. It was moving and thought provoking. It set me thinking about some of the contradictions we all live with. I'm not surprised that Lucy responded to the cumulative affect of her Bangladesh and Hurricane Katrina experiences, with a bit of soul searching and sense of the lack of importance of her career. It raised some similar questions for me too. The focus of the documentary was on Lucy's journey because this is how World Vision aims to capture the attention and compassion of potential donors in the wealthy, celebrity-loving Western World. It also focused on three children, because they are the poster children of the World Vision campaign, even though its really communities that are the target of the sponsorships. This was made clear when Lucy asked a World Vision guy about their campaigns. I was curious about who had made the doco and who had planned out the events to be filmed and interviews - as is usually done with such productions. Whatever plan Lucy had, she still seemed to be fairly spontaneous in the questions she asked. This became clear when she had a discussion with her interpreter (David) about what would be the most suitable and sensitive kind of questions for her to ask. Lucy did the voice over narration and described her interpreter as looking quite a lot like Omar Shariff. Lucy provided a human connection to the people we see and hear. This was especially so when it came to other senses such as those of the smell of curry that hit her immediately after she left Daka airport. It was during her arrival at the airport that I got the first twinge of something that would come to bother me a little later in the documentary. This had to do with the focus of the documentary being on a wealthy celebrity, when the central issue is that of poverty and thwarted hopes and ambitions. Here Lucy quipped that the lines of curious onlookers who watched her departing from the airport were her fans. Well I guess it was a joke because Lucy had just said she was a curiosity, and out of place and that no one knew who she was. The onlookers were also quite passively bemused rather than avid looking fans. But I wondered about Lucy drawing attention to her star profile. The real problem came for me when someone asked what was special about New Zealand. Lucy quipped, "Me." Of all the things she could have said this seemed to me inappropriately focusing on her star status considering the circumstances. But it's also this star status that World Vision wants to use as a vehicle through which to reach viewers compassion. And Lucy is ideal for this because her emotions are so close to the surface. This was evident in the encounter with Bina and her family. Bina was frail and undernourished and she had a little severely disabled brother who Lucy held on her lap for a time. She wanted to ask Bina's mother how long the boy was likely to live, but David suggested and asked an alternative question. As he took over the interview, Lucy turned her head away from the camera (the boy no longer on her lap). She let her hair drop over her face, but the camera sought it out to show she was weeping. Looking uncomfortable Lucy got up and walked away from the camera. Fairly soon after the camera followed her to get her explanation amidst her sobs. Lucy said that the little boy was older than her son, but weighed far less - he was almost no weight at all. And she said that he smelled really badly because his deformed hand was rotting. And to make it worse, she said he was sucking the rotting hand and it was seeping some fluid that dropped onto her dress - not that she was worried about her dress. I guess Lucy's response was similar to what many other people's might have been. She also helped the cause by explaining the debilitating effects of poverty and how it destroys people's lives. She was uncomfortable when Bina's family said they had a gift for her. "They have something for me?" Bina brought her a big colourful bunch of hand-picked flowers. Lucy asked which was her favourite and Bina picked out a yellow one, which she put behind Lucy's ear. Bina's family also had saved up a week's hard-earned wages to provide a meal for LL. We saw her watching them prepare the meal but didn't watch her eating. I must admit I was reminded of the eating scene in XWP season 6 "Legacy" which I watched a couple of days ago. The one where Xena tells Gab not to refuse anything the desert people offer them because it would be impolite. The documentary was structured to leave us with a feel good message about the value of sponsoring children. We began with the worst cases, and gradually worked towards the ones that were stories of hope. We saw the success of the boy L had sponsored, Banik. He was healthy & looking forward to going to university. His favourite leisure pursuits are football and cricket. Lucy joined in a game of soccer with him and some guys - LL in bare feet. She also struggled with her inappropriate skirt to show him how to ride the bike she gave him. Lastly we see Fatema, the child LL will sponsor in the future. She's definitely cute, and provides a picture of hope and possibility that will make for good posters and TV promos. But, considering everything in the documentary, I'm more concerned about the future of Bina and her family. Clearly Lucy and/or someone involved in making the documentary had some unease about Lucy's comment about being the special thing in NZ. Lucy referred to it in the final comments she made in the programme. She said she was "stumped" whenever anyone asked what was special about New Zealand. She didn't know how she could tell them about the abundance of our lives. She was afraid that what she said would hurt them or distance them from her. "Maybe it was just ignorance or arrogance on my part. But in that fraction of a second I shied away from the truth as I said it." I can't help but feel a little uneasiness about the juxtaposition of the rich and the poor in this documentary. Nevertheless World Vision is very successful at using the tools of our celebrity and market driven culture to do something for those who are its casualties. And Lucy has a good manner with children and the compassion that reaches the compassion of viewers. However, for me this is the uncomfortable contradiction. 20 plus years after Live Aid, poverty is still rife in Africa. I know that while the successes are small, they are to be celebrated. Every child saved from life of deprivation is something positive. But it seems that during times of relative wealth in the West, the gap between rich and poor has increased. It seems to me there's something wrong with a world in which luxuries come so easily to many of us, while being so hard to come by for others. It's important to think about what we can give to help those in need today. But maybe it's more important to think about what we need to give up so that the world is a fairer place for the majority of people in the world tomorrow. Carolyn S ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:59:57 -0500 From: "bookdaft" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] A Deafening Silence If Lucy does turn up again on VM, it won't be next season - that is if VM is picked up by the new CW network. At the con Lucy said she wouldn't be doing any other shows but Battlestar Galactica. Because it's a 10-episode commitment (presumably over the 20 episodes or so of BSG's 3rd season), it will likely take up all of her time. Given that she also said that she pitched the idea for her appearances to the producers, it makes me wonder if she will do some writing and thereby gain a producer credit. I'm really tickled about this news. BSG has become my favorite SF show - and really my favorite show, now. Having Lucy appear on it and so frequently is simply icing on my cake. bd - -----Original Message----- From: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org [mailto:owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Xena Torres Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:56 AM To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] A Deafening Silence >Meanwhile, what's the situation with VERONICA MARS? Is Lucy going to be on again? Hello. Weighing in as a HUGE Mars fan: This story is NOT dead, I'm sure. I don't read spoilers for this show, because it would ruin it, but, with the characters used and the story told, I'd bet SERIOUS cash this issue will be reawakened later, though, I don't think it will come up again THIS year. It might be a set up for NEXT season (there's already a fair bit going on right now and the one major mystery was set up in the first ep of the season, and this isn't it). Will Lucy show up again? Well, course, that is up to Lucy, but, from what they wrote "Cases like this don't go away" and how much more they gave to Lucy's character vs the other agent, I believe they would like to bring her back for whenever this story comes back - but, yeah, that's up to Lucy. They certainly DID set it up for a return, cause I KNOW this issue will come up again. > ...it's interesting that there been Not A Single Word here about that program. Huh? I posted mere HOURS after it aired - delayed only because I work until 10:30pm. ;) >but there seems to be an unspoken consensus that "Donut Run" be quietly ignored. That I have to agree. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO OUT THERE! ;) >>So you made it through Veronica Mars? I thought I was patient, butthe show did *nothing* for >>me. Yeah, SADLY that wasn't the best episode. Drat. >>I didn't even like L's character -- too smart a** and pompous. What!? OMG - that's why she was cool. It was ALL about her putting Lamb (the sherrif) in place. Course, as you don't watch the show, one can't know he's kind of a 'villain' character. Well, an antagonist to the Mars family would be a better term. Lucy's character putting him in line was PRICLESS cause this ass does that to Veronica's dad (the former sherrif who was pretty much 'run out' of office when he's the FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR better cop) all the time. He talks down to Keith Mars and Veronica Mars in every ep he's in. So it was MOST fitting to see him get talked down too when he's trying to be all cool (ie - ignoring the agents like he didn't see them as he was doing paperwork when they first entered his office). As a fan of the show - believe me - Lucy was PERFECT BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Bitch of Rome http://www.bitchofrome.com "Time to put you out of my misery." - Livia "Eve" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= _____________________________________________________ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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