From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V6 #6 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, January 7 2006 Volume 06 : Number 006 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction ["Laconia" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction On Friday 06 January 2006 05:36, you wrote: > Hi, > > cr wrote: > > How about those evil souls who don't follow/worship Gabby at all? Any > > Gabby? I think your schism's been pre-empted. > > Heretics all! The only thing to do is to form an Inquisition (*nobody* > expects one of those, you know) to root the evildoers out. Burn them at > the stake ... or hang them on a cross ... or drag them behind a horse > and dump them over a cliff ... or have them nibbled to death by crabs > ... or something. > > I'm Pope, dammit, so that's how it's gonna be. Fiat, Fiat. > > ;) Ah. So you drive a funny little Italian car, too? Anyway, I'm an Archbishop, since last November. ('cos last November, the Reverend Brian Tamaki of the 'Destiny Church' here in Auckland, decided to make himself a bishop, so I decided if he could make himself a bishop just like that I could be an Archbishop just like that ) But if you insist on being Pope I might just promote myself. Now who outranks the Pope? I think I'll just have to be a minor god. I haven't decided just what of yet. Suggestions welcomed. (But nothing too disgusting please, I don't want to be god of warts. Or cockroaches). How 'bout god of waves. That sounds cool. I've just been splashing about in them. But come to think of it, God of Waves implies some sort of control over them which I manifestly haven't got, particularly not the big one that caught me by surprise today, I guess that might be tempting Fate. Or the Fates. cr Ford, Ford. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:34:03 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction So what do you think of churches being tax exempt then? And how about football jocks (NZ translation: rugby players :) who wreck their bodies and run through all their money and end up in public hospitals having their hospital bills and eventual nursing home bills (because they completely screwed up their bodies/minds on the field) paid for by public taxes? cr On Friday 06 January 2006 15:31, you wrote: > This is an interesting point to ponder. I'm a big live-and-let-live kind > of person, except where other people have to suffer for a person's actions. > > I don't care if people use drugs. That's okay by me. However, if they > steal from others to feed their habit, that makes me angry. > > I don't care if people have enough money for their drug habit and don't > have to steal from others for that. That's okay by me. However, if they > wreck their body and run through all their money and end up in public > hospitals having their hospital bills and eventual nursing home bills > (because they completely screwed up their bodies/minds on the drugs) paid > for by public taxes, that makes me angry. > > I don't care what people do to their bodies, but I do care about their > seeking tax money to pay for the consequences. > > ****** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cr" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:05 AM > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction > > > On Wednesday 04 January 2006 16:40, you wrote: > >> From: "Laconia" > >> Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] > >> > >> >> have also heard a theory that people who have that gene (if it exists) > >> are > >> also more likely to become addicted to something...or someone. It's > >> interesting to think that all of these things may be related > >> biologically in some way.> > >> > >> Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born > >> again" and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have > >> given > >> up their drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion > >> and > >> they become just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. > >> So if the the addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or > >> ill then the treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the > >> addiction as substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. > >> In > >> this case religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better > >> for the addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors > >> or blow themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case > >> becoming deeply involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and > >> their bards. So perhaps we can get a little government funding and we > >> can transform ourselves into a twelve step program. > >> > >> CherylA > > > > Trouble is, they then start trying to run everyone else's lives for them, > > trying to stop everyone else from being allowed to have a drink (or > > whatever > > it was they were addicted to).... so instead of only being a menace to > > themselves, they've become a menace and a pain to everyone else. > > Punishing everybody else for their own past deficiencies. They were far > > less > > dangerous before they were 'cured'. > > > > IMO, of course. > > > > cr > > ========================================================= > > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > > ========================================================= > > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:18:39 -0600 From: "Laconia" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction I don't think any religious organizations should be tax-exempt. I think it's fine for people to use their bodies in an athletic, natural way, if one can call running and smashing into other people on a rugby field "natural." But drugs are unnatural substances to put into one's body. So yes to public assistance for debilitated ex-athletes, no to people who deliberately put foreign substances into their bodies and eventually wreck them that way. Consistent? Maybe not, but that's my opinion What's your opinion? ******** - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cr" To: Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction > So what do you think of churches being tax exempt then? > > And how about football jocks (NZ translation: rugby players :) who wreck > their bodies and run through all their money and end up in public > hospitals > having their hospital bills and eventual nursing home bills (because they > completely screwed up their bodies/minds on the field) paid for by public > taxes? > > cr > > On Friday 06 January 2006 15:31, you wrote: >> This is an interesting point to ponder. I'm a big live-and-let-live kind >> of person, except where other people have to suffer for a person's >> actions. >> >> I don't care if people use drugs. That's okay by me. However, if they >> steal from others to feed their habit, that makes me angry. >> >> I don't care if people have enough money for their drug habit and don't >> have to steal from others for that. That's okay by me. However, if they >> wreck their body and run through all their money and end up in public >> hospitals having their hospital bills and eventual nursing home bills >> (because they completely screwed up their bodies/minds on the drugs) paid >> for by public taxes, that makes me angry. >> >> I don't care what people do to their bodies, but I do care about their >> seeking tax money to pay for the consequences. >> >> ****** >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "cr" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction >> >> > On Wednesday 04 January 2006 16:40, you wrote: >> >> From: "Laconia" >> >> Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] >> >> >> >> > >> I >> >> have also heard a theory that people who have that gene (if it exists) >> >> are >> >> also more likely to become addicted to something...or someone. It's >> >> interesting to think that all of these things may be related >> >> biologically in some way.> >> >> >> >> Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are >> >> "born >> >> again" and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have >> >> given >> >> up their drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion >> >> and >> >> they become just as obsessive about their religion as their former >> >> vice. >> >> So if the the addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good >> >> or >> >> ill then the treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the >> >> addiction as substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful >> >> one. >> >> In >> >> this case religion may become an addiction but it may one that is >> >> better >> >> for the addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors >> >> or blow themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case >> >> becoming deeply involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and >> >> their bards. So perhaps we can get a little government funding and we >> >> can transform ourselves into a twelve step program. >> >> >> >> CherylA >> > >> > Trouble is, they then start trying to run everyone else's lives for >> > them, >> > trying to stop everyone else from being allowed to have a drink (or >> > whatever >> > it was they were addicted to).... so instead of only being a menace >> > to >> > themselves, they've become a menace and a pain to everyone else. >> > Punishing everybody else for their own past deficiencies. They were >> > far >> > less >> > dangerous before they were 'cured'. >> > >> > IMO, of course. >> > >> > cr >> > ========================================================= >> > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >> > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >> > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >> > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >> > ========================================================= >> >> ========================================================= >> This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >> To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >> "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >> Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >> ========================================================= > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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